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Mick 12-03-2018 17:36
Re: New UK-Russia Tensions after Ex-Russian Spy Poisoned in Salisbury
 
PM:"Britain will conclude Action Amounts to use of force on British Territory, if there is no credible response from Russia."

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Very strong words being conveyed against Russia in the Commons. One Tory MP suggesting "not quite an act of war" but it is a war like act by Russia."

TheDaddy 12-03-2018 17:43
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35940408)
PM:"Britain will conclude Action Amounts to use of force on British Territory, if there is no credible response from Russia."

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Very strong words being conveyed against Russia in the Commons. One Tory MP suggesting "not quite an act of war" but it is a war like act by Russia."
Said that when it happened

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/show...6&postcount=28

Didn't think much of Corbyn's response, when we needed to stand as one he's banging on about party donations, a point I feel that needed making, just not today.

Mick 12-03-2018 18:55
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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 35940411)
Said that when it happened

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/show...6&postcount=28

Didn't think much of Corbyn's response, when we needed to stand as one he's banging on about party donations, a point I feel that needed making, just not today.
Agreed, it was disgusting his response, times like this, partisanship needs to be left at the door.

MPs have just been calling for Russia Today News channel to be banned in the UK.

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There has been some reaction from a Russian Minister spokesperson, "PM's Statement was a 'circus' show in the British Parliament and the UK will look very foolish waiting 24 hours for a response"

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Some information from a Times Journalist on the Novichok Nerve Agent:-

https://twitter.com/LOS_Fisher/statu...56181849444352

"Novichok sounds pretty grim: it's reportedly 10 times more potent than VX, more resistant to antidotes & more difficult to detect than other nerve agents."

richard s 12-03-2018 19:46
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Cutting off dialogue is one of the worse things to do.

Mick 12-03-2018 19:51
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BREAKING: Reaction from Washington DC:

White House Press Secretary Sarah Huckabee-Sanders replies with the following on receiving a question on May's statement against Russia earlier this evening:

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We have been monitoring the incident in the UK very closely and take it very seriously, the use of a highly lethal nerve agent, on UK citizens, on UK Soil, is an outrage, the attack was reckless, indiscriminate and irresponsible. We offer the fullest condemnation and extend our sympathy to the victims and their families and our support to the UK government. We stand by our closest ally in the special relationship we have."

1andrew1 12-03-2018 20:09
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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35940421)
BREAKING: Reaction from Washington DC:

White House Press Secretary Sarah Huckabee-Sanders replies with the following on receiving a question on May's statement against Russia earlier this evening:
Will be interested to see if Trump passes the sanctions against Russia that Congress would like him to.

Mick 12-03-2018 20:14
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35940429)
Will be interested to see if Trump passes the sanctions against Russia that Congress would like him to.
That's a matter for congress to discuss with him, it's nothing to do with the situation in the UK.

1andrew1 12-03-2018 20:23
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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35940430)
That's a matter for congress to discuss with him, it's nothing to do with the situation in the UK.
You say that but I'm sure it will place pressure on him.

Mick 12-03-2018 23:28
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Latest: More Reaction from the U.S:- U.S Secretary of State Rex Tillerson says ex-spy's poisoning in UK 'clearly came from Russia,' vows it 'will trigger a response. Source. Associated Press.

TheDaddy 13-03-2018 07:51
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35940412)
Agreed, it was disgusting his response, times like this, partisanship needs to be left at the door.

MPs have just been calling for Russia Today News channel to be banned in the UK.

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There has been some reaction from a Russian Minister spokesperson, "PM's Statement was a 'circus' show in the British Parliament and the UK will look very foolish waiting 24 hours for a response"

---------- Post added at 18:55 ---------- Previous post was at 18:15 ----------

Some information from a Times Journalist on the Novichok Nerve Agent:-

https://twitter.com/LOS_Fisher/statu...56181849444352

"Novichok sounds pretty grim: it's reportedly 10 times more potent than VX, more resistant to antidotes & more difficult to detect than other nerve agents."
I've had a think about it, heard a few other people's perspective and I think Corbyn did the right thing now, he and Mrs May handled it very well together and got the tone between them spot on.

That's another odd thing, it's one of those things that didn't make sense to me the other day, this stuff is so toxic and yet the victims are still alive, professional assassin types with one of the most dangerous things around and they are still alive, obviously that's a very good thing but it doesn't say much about the quality of killer they have does it, all this talk of they're sending a message, what's that then, that they're pretty useless at this kind of thing.

heero_yuy 13-03-2018 09:32
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Quote from The Daddy:


That's another odd thing, it's one of those things that didn't make sense to me the other day, this stuff is so toxic and yet the victims are still alive, professional assassin types with one of the most dangerous things around and they are still alive, obviously that's a very good thing but it doesn't say much about the quality of killer they have does it, all this talk of they're sending a message, what's that then, that they're pretty useless at this kind of thing.
I think that's because there was no "assassin" and no "attack". The nerve gas was effectively self administered. Such a haphazard method would be unable to control the dose and it's unlikely that trials of the method could have been carried out. They were lucky not to have been killed outright as were any people surrounding them.

However this does beg the question: Was this officially sanctioned or some more amateur, still Russian sourced, attempt to kill them?

tweetiepooh 13-03-2018 12:09
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Another thought would be similar to land mines - you don't always want to (immediately) kill your victim. You want to wound/incapacitate, take up resources, create tension/fear.

Mick 13-03-2018 13:53
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BREAKING: U.S President Donald Trump announces he is speaking to Prime Minister May, later today regarding the Ex-Spy poisoning. He has made the following statement:-

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Theresa May is going to be speaking to me today

It sounds to me like they believe it was Russia - and I would certainly take that finding as fact.

As soon as we get the facts straight, if we agree with them, we will condemn Russia or whoever it may be."


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Of course I am no fan of the EU but they have also said they offer their full support to Theresa May.

"The European Union says it is ready to offer support to the UK if asked over the "shocking" attempted murder of former spy Sergei Skripal and his daughter Yulia."

Damien 13-03-2018 15:00
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Russia Today are having their licence looked into: https://www.ofcom.org.uk/about-ofcom...t-news-channel

Mick 13-03-2018 15:20
Re: New UK-Russia Tensions after Ex-Russian Spy Poisoned in Salisbury
 
The fallout of this and a subsequent response if Russian State is found to have used illegal lethal force, it could be that we could end up boycotting the World Cup later this year. (This is not me saying that).


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