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I don't really think anyone seriously don't know what they want, I think people are more struggling with how to fight it and why people get radicalised in the first place.

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Mainly naive malleable young men who're easily taken advantage of by religious extremists in just the same way as gangs (drug related or otherwise) draw in new members and even future victims. Not so very different from the sort of controlling, abuse employed by the paedophile gangs in enticing vulnerable young girls into their networks and convincing them, over a period of time, to do things they'd never have dreamt of. The only motive these young terrorists have for what they do is the motive seeded in their minds, sometimes over many years, by those who so cleverly exploit them which include religious leaders they've been taught to look up to.

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I disabled Javascript and was able to read it.

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They are working out a particular version of the Muslim end time scenario, based on the hadith; the traditions of Muhammad's teaching written after his death. They believe a person called the Mahadi will turn up and lead them to victory over the whole of the world. IS believe that the more atrocities they commit, the sooner the Mahadi will appear.

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and then listen to this from Sam Harris:

What do jihadists really want?

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The New York Times, has arrogantly defended it's decision to publish photographs of dead bodies on the floor of Manchester Arena and the fragments of what was left of the Bomb.

This is their Statement:

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Not sure whats arrogant about it, they are after all, a newspaper.

The question really seems to be where did the photos come from, and did they have permission to post them.

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Maybe they just ought to just respect what the security services tasked with picking up the pieces are asking of them for a few more hours or is getting that breaking news scoop/picture published ahead of their rivals the most important thing? Are they really saying that 'educating their readership' is that important and couldn't have waited a short time? :shrug:

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On the contrary:
......and he's not the only one who is either deliberatly not facing up to what is going on, or is simply thick as mince.

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I feel it is arrogant because they say it's not disrespectful to the victims, it may not directly be so, however, it's disrespectful to publish such stuff especially when the US had been asked not to by UK Authorities.

Anyway, President Trump has apparently just said that he is very angry with the leaks and has ordered the U.S Department of Justice to have a complete investigation of the Intelligence leaks.

Basically, the behaviour of the NYT (and other US outlets), they have used the Manchester Bombing, in their political crossfire that they have with President Trump. It's nothing short of reprehensible what they have done and how they have acted.

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good someone might end up in prison for leaking sensitive information

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The NYT has it in for Trump so I imagine they'll put anything which causes problems for him to the top of their agenda and the hell with anything else.

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Yeah. I think that whilst people might be fussy on the details they know ISIS and others want complete destruction. They hate and destroy everything, little girls going to concerns anger them, satire angers them even works of Islamic architecture and art seems to anger them. They destroy historic moments in Syria. It's a complete black hole.

Very few people are actually thinking 'well, well are they bombing things!' but rather asking why do they want such destruction? As Osem says we have theories there too.

The answers though are harder.

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Again to be fair the NYT are lower on the list of whose leaked the most on this issue. NBC have leaked details of the investigation, links to Libya and how they identified the bomber. CBS leaked the name. The U.S Government is leaking like crazy.

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Yeah but it's one guy and I'm not totally sure he isn't talking more in depth. I.E What motivates him to follow such a destructive cause? He does later in the speech cite the other attacks in Europe for example so it's clear he knows what 'cause' that he drew from but is wondering why someone would follow it.

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They are not lower on the list at all. They were the only ones, yesterday to first post pictures of the bomb fragments. The day before that, they had pictures of dead people on the floor of the Manchester Arena, they had made no attempt to blur any images of the victims.

While other news outlets are guilty of leaking stuff, I would say leaking pictures of bomb fragments, leaking more intelligence when UK asked for it to stop, is a serious issue and NYT has sank to serious low levels of journalism and like a commentator was saying on Sky News earlier and I agree with them, they are using the Manchester Bombing, in their crossfire attacks on Trump, only it is now backfiring on them and it serves them right. Utterly reprehensible publication ethics.

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There's clearly a campaign being raged against trump by a wide range of organisations and clearly no bar can be set low enough for them not to limbo under with ease. As for the answer to islamic extremism it's simple but not palatable to a large number the answer is find them and kill them they live by violence and they spend all their time commiting or planning violence there is no middle ground for them and there shouldn't be for us either in eradicating them.