Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35794619)

For opposition to be effective it has to be credible. Corbyn's simply enjoying the sort of feting that Vince Cable attracted for a while and look what happened to him. If the other candidates weren't so lacklustre he'd be nowhere.

Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35794599)

People are increasingly self centered and right wing - just the way society is going

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35794621)

Even Michael Foot wanted to retain the Falklands!

Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 35794686)

Unlike Maggie and her government


http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2005/j...falklands.past

I quite like Corbyn, finally a politician who actually stands up for what he believes in regardless of how popular they might be and isn't out to feather his own nest, perhaps that might be why these plastic career politician clones are soiling themselves, the game might finally be up for them at last.

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35794742)

I think a lot of them are worried because there is a good chance he'll seriously harm Labour support. Also Corbyn has been in Westminster since the 1980s. He is pretty much a career politician too it's just that unlikely pretty much anyone on the front benches he hasn't ever had to compromise.

Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35794779)

Oh and is it just me or does Brand believe he's Jesus? :)

Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35794779)

Oh and is it just me or does Brand believe he's Jesus? :)

Originally Posted by Kursk (Post 35794815)

He's not Jesus, he's Brian. Hang on, Brian Brand has a certain ring to it ;)

Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 35794749)

Please, that's not the definition of career politician most would recognise, I think they'd see them as those types that have never had a job outside politics or Westminster unless it was to aid them getting there of course, never give a straight answer or even any answer to any question no matter how innocent, all look similar and whose favourite pass time is trying to get away with trousering as much in expenses as possible.

Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 35794818)

So .. "He's not the Messiah" :)

Originally Posted by Chrysalis (Post 35794642)

Basically labour have to be a tory clone to have a chance, a tory clone is poor opposition sadly. so its a choice of challenging the government in opposition or trying to get elected. As I said bad times for labour I think the only electable candidate is liz kendell.

The tories did the same before the election they won, they were not challenging labour, backed them on bank bailout etc.

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35794820)

Why is Corbyn different? His background isn't too different to others who 'got jobs aiding them getting to Westminster': https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeremy_Corbyn



Aside from the two year stint in Jamaica it reads a lot like a typical Labour MP CV. Working their way up from official positions within the Union. Hell he was elected a councillor at 25 years old and became an MP at 34.

I will grant you that he has never seemed to interested in claiming much further and has stuck to his principles as a result. I don't think this is quite as commendable as everyone makes it out to be either. He has rebelled constantly throughout his career and whilst this too makes him out to be a honest politician it also shows a reluctance to cooperate or work with others. Party politics and Government requires the ability to do politics, form alliances with a broad group of people, make concessions to strike deals and present a united front.

How on earth is Corbyn going to lead this party once the hype dies down? He has said he expects the loyalty of the Parliamentary Party, a lot of whom don't like his politics, despite the fact he has never shown any to his predecessors.

There is a role for ideologues like Corbyn in politics but I would suggest that it isn't as leader of one of the two main parties.

Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 35794845)

You just don't get it, the public is sick of party politics, sick of these clones that say nothing and do even less, sick of their shyster deals and ways, how much attention would this contest have got if Corbyn wasn't involved? I hope this is the start of a revolution in politics, they keep saying politics needs to reconnect with the people, it can start by having interesting, principled people at the heart of it, not these Blair clones that'd sell out their mothers and others peoples childrens blood for a bag of cash and a whiff of power.