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1andrew1 19-02-2019 22:48
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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35983775)
Now i guess the human rights lawyers will go into overdrive.
Can she claim legal aid?

Hom3r 19-02-2019 23:06
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35983792)
Can she claim legal aid?
Not from the UK

heero_yuy 20-02-2019 10:49
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Quote from Hom3r:

Not from the UK
Bet the parents are already claiming it for their legal team trying to get the silly little cow back.:rolleyes:

papa smurf 20-02-2019 10:53
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35983792)
Can she claim legal aid?
I doubt she would need to,other people will fund her legal challenge and i think she will win.

TheDaddy 20-02-2019 11:17
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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35983826)
I doubt she would need to,other people will fund her legal challenge and i think she will win.
It'll take a while though and we'll appeal, it'll be years before the legal process is exhausted with a bit of luck

Damien 20-02-2019 21:25
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TBH I think revoking citizenship should be done by the courts anyway. A government being able to revoke someone being British just like that? That's not a good power for them to have, it's not a good precedent to set. It's always going to be against the most supportive cases in which we're asked to accept overreaches of power, nobody wants to lobby for a terrorist, but if this holds up this is something they can do again....

pip08456 20-02-2019 21:29
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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35983949)
TBH I think revoking citizenship should be done by the courts anyway. A government being able to revoke someone being British just like that? That's not a good power for them to have, it's not a good precedent to set. It's always going to be against the most supportive cases in which we're asked to accept overreaches of power, nobody wants to lobby for a terrorist, but if this holds up this is something they can do again....
Let's have the courts grant citizenship then or does that sound as stupid as having them revoke it?

nomadking 20-02-2019 21:29
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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35983949)
TBH I think revoking citizenship should be done by the courts anyway. A government being able to revoke someone being British just like that? That's not a good power for them to have, it's not a good precedent to set. It's always going to be against the most supportive cases in which we're asked to accept overreaches of power, nobody wants to lobby for a terrorist, but if this holds up this is something they can do again....
Deportation, extradition, and citizenship matters are officially classed by the Grand Chamber of European Court of Human Rights(not directly EU connected) as administrative matters, and therefore there is NO right to a "fair hearing". Several rulings have been made on the issues.

Damien 20-02-2019 22:17
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Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 35983951)
Let's have the courts grant citizenship then or does that sound as stupid as having them revoke it?
You get citizenship if you having British parents or they live here and have right to Remain or you become one. Who is one Government minister to say that you are no longer British and to take all the rights that citizenship gives you? There should be a legal process to remove it not a legal process to have it removed and then maybe returned.

nomadking 20-02-2019 22:36
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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35983963)
You get citizenship if you having British parents or they live here and have right to Remain or you become one. Who is one Government minister to say that you are no longer British and to take all the rights that citizenship gives you? There should be a legal process to remove it not a legal process to have it removed and then maybe returned.
And who is one Judge or Immigration Tribunal Judge(usually just a solicitor) to decide? The Judges of the Grand Chamber of the European Court of Human Rights have ruled on the matter.

Damien 20-02-2019 22:41
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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 35983966)
And who is one Judge or Immigration Tribunal Judge(usually just a solicitor) to decide? The Judges of the Grand Chamber of the European Court of Human Rights have ruled on the matter.
They've ruled it's possible I guess, doesn't mean I have to agree that the Government can just say 'you're not British anymore'. Also I am pretty sure you can't make someone stateless so this decision will be reversed and the government knows it.

nomadking 20-02-2019 23:18
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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35983967)
They've ruled it's possible I guess, doesn't mean I have to agree that the Government can just say 'you're not British anymore'. Also I am pretty sure you can't make someone stateless so this decision will be reversed and the government knows it.
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Ms Begum's mother is believed to be a Bangladeshi national, and lawyers have told the BBC that under Bangladesh law this means Ms Begum is automatically a citizen of the country as well.
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Ms Begum's case is different. Her Bangladeshi citizenship, if established, would remain intact until she reaches 21, even if she has never visited the country or made active efforts to retain her citizenship.
Your route would still mean just one person deciding the matter, where it could be decided by someone like her lawyer.
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Shamima Begum's lawyer has previously shared posts suggesting that 9/11 was an inside job and that Amber Rudd should go to a 'concentration camp.'
Tasnime Akunjee, who is backing Ms Begum's efforts to return to Britain with her newborn son Jerah, shared the comments on his Facebook page.
In November Mr Akunjee posted the link to a story about former Home Secretary Amber Rudd after she made a speech about the state of poverty in Britain in her first Commons appearance as work and pensions secretary.
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He has previously defended one of Lee Rigby's killers, who acted to avenge the killing of Muslims by British armed forces.

TheDaddy 20-02-2019 23:37
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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 35983976)
Your route would still mean just one person deciding the matter, where it could be decided by someone like her lawyer.
Even the name she picked for the child is a pee take, why if she has mended her ways would she name him after a well known murderer of Jews

Sephiroth 22-02-2019 12:19
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All of the above revelations about her make a case for bringing here back here to face justice. I doubt that her lawyer, if as extreme as described above, would cut much ice with a jury.

Her child is British and must be a serious consideration. She is stateless and must be given the benefit of the doubt on that.

I've no objection to the family's sincerity being test by getting them to pay for her return because she is safely ensconced right now in a refugee camp with nowhere else to go.

Javid is playing to the public vote and I find that disgraceful.



EDIT: Btw, if she comes back, she can provide valuable intelligence as to who radicalised her, for example.

nomadking 22-02-2019 12:38
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She is not stateless. She has automatic Bangladeshi citizenship.


What crimes of any consequence has she committed in this country? She would just be set free, and that is exactly why certain people want, eg Corbyn.


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