Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 35750315)

Originally Posted by qasdfdsaq (Post 35750329)

could and eventually being the operative words,

Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 35750337)

Can and Will.

Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 35750302)

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth
I'm guessing - but why would VM want to introduce a tier that is lower than the headline speed of BT Infinity Option 1?

That a 200 meg tier is coming seems certain to me.



Hi Chrys

Surely VM are only in the big willy game. 50/100/200 would seem to me to be the mainly marketed tiers. That gives them the scope to save up for 300meg and so on.

Don't you think?

Originally Posted by Ignitionnet (Post 35747636)

Each VoIP call only needs 64kbps and relatively few punters use their landlines now so you'd hope it won't make a huge dent in the HFC.

MSANs are another active piece of powered kit in the network and one that'll need battery backup. They make perfect sense to sell business services and indeed FTTP on but unsure how good they are for residential areas passed by HFC.

The costs of installing a whole bunch of new cabinets would be non-trivial, unless VM could persuade customers to allow them to rip out the old transport network and replace it with MSANs in the same street furniture though that's perhaps a bit of a tough sell and Ofcom would be all over VM over the outage period.

It's tricky. There're not really many examples to follow as hardly anywhere else has any twisted pair at all in their cable network.

The mothership are quite enthusiastic about getting rid of the PSTN. Whether this happens via PacketCable or more active kit is I guess different. Both get rid of BT Wholesale.

The angle I heard is all geared up to PacketCable both for VoIP and future projects. It's essential in order to transfer to an all-IP network which, with DOCSIS 3.1 and whatever follows after, is where the company will end up being with video delivered by 100% IP multicast.

Originally Posted by Ignitionnet (Post 35747478)

Yeah, the ex-Telewest London network was for the most part really not good. Some only had upstream bandwidth of 5-30MHz and downstream maxed out at 550MHz so needed rebuild.

Originally Posted by sollp (Post 35750353)

When your looking at an MSAN shelf costing approx £5500 just to give you 240 lines I know where it will be going

Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 35747618)

That's as maybe, but if you're hooked up as I think you are, you'll know that the voice over cable project is being pushed from one angle.

But the engineering experts in Access, the real ones, hate it. They'd much rather go for using MSANS to deliver VoIP amongst other things. We could still utilise the twisted pair infrastructure and not overload the HFC.

I don't think it's a done deal yet.

I don't know anyone that really enthuses about voice over cable.

Anyway, we'll see.

Originally Posted by qasdfdsaq (Post 35750358)

240 lines at £15 a month and your costs are covered in less than two months, and the rest is just pure profit.

Originally Posted by qasdfdsaq (Post 35750379)

Yeah but for each thousand more shelves you're connecting 240,000 more lines thus bringing in more revenue... Two months' ROI on a piece of tech hardware is incredibly good by anyone's standards. Sure there are other costs but if a major piece of equipment has paid for itself in less than two months that leaves decades worth of revenue to cover the rest...

Originally Posted by sollp (Post 35750387)

Don't disagree with that, but the Telco vendors change the equipment and after 5 years(approx) it's obsolete. Your then trying to engineer another solution to fit the the shelf and the differing connections ect into the cabinets again at a massive cost. The software used to connect to the shelves after a few years is then not supported for a decent amount of time which again causes problems. As there is kit out there that will only work on Wins 3.1. WINS 98 ect we are now on Win 10 nearly, laptop connections using serial ports now having to use USB-Serial and all the issues that brings when using corporate laptops.


The CATV network is so much easier to upgrade when you have different vendors to accommodate for.

Originally Posted by Ignitionnet (Post 35750391)

I believe you'd have to build new cabinets for the MSANs, too?

These would need everything the BT street-side DSLAM cabinets have.

Is that £5,500 cost just for a chassis or for a single line card?

Would the mapping between old and new networks really be that direct or would there be a need to rearrange the copper network?

Originally Posted by qasdfdsaq (Post 35750339)

Almost certainly will not.

Not before 2020. And will not be using DOCSIS 3.1.

Because it's wild exaggeration about a technology that will almost certainly never be used in the context described, as clearly stated in their own source:

Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 35750453)

But from what I have seen last year, DOCSIS 3.1 deployment is scheduled to start in Q2 next year, with a further upgrade planned in Q3 2017. The network is planned to be 600Mb ready by end 2016/2017.

Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 35750453)

But from what I have seen last year, DOCSIS 3.1 deployment is scheduled to start in Q2 next year, with a further upgrade planned in Q3 2017. The network is planned to be 600Mb ready by end 2016/2017.

Originally Posted by Kushan (Post 35750457)

Yeah, isn't the "theoretical" of DOCSIS 3.0 something like 1.5Gbit?