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Not sure where you stand on this now, is it going to be more expensive or not, thought you said the underground bootleggers would all disappear?

Are know saying that easy access would increase the number of users or not?

J

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And as dangerous as buying illegal drugs because you cannot be sure what the heck has been mixed into the brew.How many times has antifreeze found it's way into booze?
Anything cheap is likely to be a knock off with all the attendant ills so I've no sympathy for anyone being so stupid.

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Well that's down to those crooks who bootleg anything and everything like illegal iPhone chargers.Anyone who is willing to put their live in their hands is an idiot.

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Agreed I just don't think it's going to be any different than it currently is for tobacco etc. Some people will always go for the cheaper option.

Short term I think problems will increase as the number of users and the number of addicts will increase. Using the increase in revenue to fund education and treatment etc. will take time, as has the education on smoking and drinking.

I don't think that the current situation is sustainable, I'm just not sure of the solution.

I think there are two ways to go either increase of punishments to become a true deterrent or relaxing of laws, either one requires education

If laws were relaxed I think a massive increase in punishment of people abusing these laws are required. For example currently I think that causing a death whilst under the influence, driving or not has some form of pre-meditation and should have a greater punishment than normal not less.

You made the decision to take what ever drug (and I include Alcohol in this) so it's your responsibility for your actions.

As for increasing punishments, the result of driving whilst under the influence is a life time ban for the first offence, would it make people think twice? Or knowingly getting into a car with a drunk driver making you equally responsible.

People would think twice.

J

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And yours is so circular I could draw a coin with it. Why are you right? because you're right. Why are the rest of us wrong? because we're wrong.

Yes, it does. You commit an offence under the influence of a dangerous substance that had previously been illegal for 100 or so years then you accept the consequences of it. Can't do the time? Simple, don't do the crime.

I wouldn't. You're the one who mentioned violence, not me.

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More than just a slight distortion of the truth however as you're aware discussing team actions in public is against the T&Cs.

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it wasn't a great success when it was trialled here and I worked in drug rehabilitation at the time so I don't need Facts from Germany or Switzerland, I saw it with my own eyes.

Yes I suppose they could but them before hand, if the late night chemist is on the way to the club and a conscious decision is made to get something before they get there, otherwise the crooks will still have their market.

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Right,so your first point in the quote I posted wasn't that more people wouldn't use? Which is exactly the point that you're making here? Which is the point that I'm making.
Most people wouldn't use even if it was legal... and if it's legal the drugs are far less dangerous than they are now.
Will there be an increase in use? Maybe,maybe not.A lot of people would come out of the closet,that's for sure.

By the way,addiction rates over the years tend to be constant...

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Please link me to this failed trial.There have been numerous others in the UK that were successful so I'd like to know why this one failed.Thank you.

Yes I suppose they could but them before hand, if the late night chemist is on the way to the club and a conscious decision is made to get something before they get there, otherwise the crooks will still have their market.[/QUOTE]

Right,so they couldn't buy the day before or during the day.Interesting. And of course you'll buy the tainted stuff from the crook rather than sorting yourself out in advance....

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What you have forgotten is that regardless of the legality of drugs ,users will still have to buy them and if they commit crimes to get the money to buy them now they will have to do the same if they are legalised ,you may also find that IF ,and it's a big IF ,the drugs are cheaper when legalised then users will most likely just use more .

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Right,so they couldn't buy the day before or during the day.Interesting. And of course you'll buy the tainted stuff from the crook rather than sorting yourself out in advance....[/QUOTE]

I told you why it failed and that's the reason why it wasn't reported.

Your assuming recreational drug use is planned and not impulsive, some may well "sort themselves out" the day before a substantial number wouldn't.

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Oh Dear,hit a nerve,have I? Anyway,let me know when you have a good,logical reason for making alcohol a mitigating factor and other drugs an aggravating one.The fact you're condoning drunken crime doesn't seem to enter your mind?


Well,whatever offence.By the way you are of the opinion that alcohol fuelled offences are ok.What a message to send to the kids,eh? :dozey:

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Our Press that will jump on a sensationalist drug story whenever it can will not report when a Diamorphine prescription trial fails? I find that very hard to believe Daddy.
I've just had a look and it seems there was no program in Scotland....however the SNP and Scottish Labour seem to favour trials due to,wait for it,positive trials in GERMANY!!

What do you know,those pesky Germans. ;)

Anyway,please tell me where and when this supposed Scottish trial took place,cause making stuff up just makes your argument kind of weak.

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Like I said before it got removed, Boots sell Over the Counter Meds which are legal highs.

Tut tut the message board police are out in force this afternoon.

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bootleggers import tobacco and booze and sell it cheaper due to less duty yes understand?

If weed was produced by el gov it can be cheaper than what you buy from dealers you can see the difference between the 2 yes?

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I buy my fags from a guy who goes abroad, I loath giving this government a penny.

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explain why you think it would be cheaper if the gov produced it (and i want to see your working out )

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Yes,the difference is that even though you don't pay tax you know the fags are still under government quality control.
With drugs,when legal,even though it would be cheaper from the dodgy bloke you couldn't be sure what lab they came from....

Re: Drug law reform
 

do you mean this post which is still there?

http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/20...l#post35626827