Originally Posted by carlwaring (Post 35474813)

These incidents make the news precisely because they are so extraordinary. They are not "everyday" cases so I stand by my original point.

Originally Posted by Peter_ (Post 35474839)

Apart from all the officers involved in the Hillsborough coverup, everyone of the officers involved should lose their job if still employed by any police force and lose their police pension, pay back any damages they received and be prosecuted for perverting the course of justice which would be quite apt to say the least.

Now that is enough to be getting on with as everyone of those officers involved are not fit to classed as responsible and fit human beings and I would not care if they lost the roofs over their heads as innocent people lost their lives on that day through their inability to act as the professionals they were supposed to be.

Originally Posted by Sparkle (Post 35474844)

Perhaps it might be pertinent to pause for a moment and consider that if the police can keep the truth at bay for 23 yrs in such a high profile case involving the deaths of 96 people, then doing likewise in countless "everyday" cases which attract far less publicity, perhaps would be a walk in the park by comparison.

Originally Posted by Vieil Homme (Post 35474835)

typo its Vieil ..

Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35474845)

some would say that they didn't keep the truth at bay given that most people involved new there was something wrong

Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35474843)

... the need for justice must be tempered with some common sense...

Originally Posted by carlwaring (Post 35474856)

Which is why we don't (and never should) let the victims decide the punishment :)

Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35474843)

Which is what i said earlier



Don't get me wrong ,i am all in favour of prosecuting those police and officials that may have committed a crime by altering evidence and reports but the current feeling for the need for justice must be tempered with some common sense ,it wasn't the police who caused the disaster ,that was a combination of factors ranging from poor crowd control to the design of the stadium and all must be considered ,We must refrain from simply saying "it was all the fault of the police" because it most certainly was not

Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35474845)

As mentioned before ascertaining if that happened has still to done,
yes written statements where changed but that is not a crime in itself ,if there was a conspiracy to change the statements in order to influence a verdict by the coroner/jury then i'm sure that is a crime ,don't get confused with 'moral crimes' and 'civil crimes'

Originally Posted by Peter_ (Post 35474870)

I and most of Liverpool do not care what happens these illegitimate policemen, as long as something does happen as they changed statements so that is attempting to pervert the course of justice .

Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35474873)

not necessarily.

You may also consider directing some of the hatred you have at ,the FA ,Liverpool fc and Sheffield utd all where more culpable in my opinion for allowing the game to take place there knowing that there where problems with the ground which led to the problems in the first place

Originally Posted by Peter_ (Post 35474915)

The police where there on the day and did not help and then covered it up with lies and mistruths which has now been shown to be fact, why should they not suffer all 164 police liars should be prosecuted for their failure to be a human being.

Click the link below to a Facebook page nothing offensive just wants likes.

Bet i can find 1 million people who want justice for the 96

Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35474919)

I think you need to get a bit of perspective

Some of the police may not have known their reports had been altered should they suffer ? don't you think the others i mentioned should be held culpable ?

Originally Posted by Peter_ (Post 35474920)

First and foremost the police who watched people die and altered their statements.

Oddly a year earlier the exact same football match did not end in disaster because the police must have done their job correctly even though the FA ignored warnings from previous semi finals.

Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35474843)

Which is what i said earlier



Don't get me wrong ,i am all in favour of prosecuting those police and officials that may have committed a crime by altering evidence and reports but the current feeling for the need for justice must be tempered with some common sense ,it wasn't the police who caused the disaster ,that was a combination of factors ranging from poor crowd control to the design of the stadium and all must be considered ,We must refrain from simply saying "it was all the fault of the police" because it most certainly was not

Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35474873)

not necessarily.

You may also consider directing some of the hatred you have at ,the FA ,Liverpool fc and Sheffield utd all where more culpable in my opinion for allowing the game to take place there knowing that there where problems with the ground which led to the problems in the first place

Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35474930)

I'm not saying that the police did no wrong ,all i'm saying is bear in mind that other parties did wrong by the fans as well ,so by all means shout at people just make sure you are shouting at the right people and remember that the police probably had no training for this type of incident as it hadn't happened on this scale before and most of the police who where there where probably in just as much shock as the fans where some may have even had friends or family at the match