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spiderplant 15-08-2012 08:54

Re: TiVo Update Coming! 13-24th August - Just got a message on my box
 
The problem with "keep until I delete" is it reserves space for all the planned recordings. I saw an extreme example recently where the user had about 60 series links, mostly daily programmes like Jeremy Kyle and Bargain Hunt, all set to KUID. The TiVo was refusing to accept any more recordings even though the drive was only 37% full.

Use KUID for the things that really matter, and let TiVo manage the space for everything else.

Mobes 15-08-2012 09:21

Re: TiVo Update Coming! 13-24th August - Just got a message on my box
 
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Originally Posted by Risco (Post 35462382)
Anyone else get this? Apparently some exciting new features are coming. Apart from reminders, what other features could these be?

Did we ever get an answer? lol

passingbat 15-08-2012 09:35

Re: TiVo Update Coming! 13-24th August - Just got a message on my box
 
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Originally Posted by andy_m (Post 35463304)
Whilst I think some of these implementations-only allowing a maximum of minutes padding, not being able to change the keep until setting-are clearly silly, I do think people should be prepared to try living with the current defaults for a while. If you've tried them and they don't work for you then fine, but if you haven't then try only setting express series links for a while. I genuinely think you'll be surprised at how clever TiVo is-for me the way it manages itself is it's best feature. I really think Virgin would have been better spending it's time and money educating it's customers on how best to use it's flagship product rather than develop add ons that were'nt in the original coding for over 10 years for a reason.


With the greatest of respect, I've been using PVRs of one kind or another for a lot of years now and Tivo for well over a year and I know how to get the best out of it for me, and that is not by using the current defaults.

harry_hitch 15-08-2012 09:45

Re: TiVo Update Coming! 13-24th August - Just got a message on my box
 
Update completed in the PE27 area (area 31). On demand certainly seems a lot faster (don't know how quick sky anytime on skyhd+ box is to compare) currently enjoying the joys of ultimate shark month, cheers VM!

passingbat 15-08-2012 09:48

Re: TiVo Update Coming! 13-24th August - Just got a message on my box
 
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Originally Posted by spiderplant (Post 35463335)
The problem with "keep until I delete" is it reserves space for all the planned recordings. I saw an extreme example recently where the user had about 60 series links, mostly daily programmes like Jeremy Kyle and Bargain Hunt, all set to KUID. The TiVo was refusing to accept any more recordings even though the drive was only 37% full.

Use KUID for the things that really matter, and let TiVo manage the space for everything else.



Nothing personal Spiderplant, but every recording I have set on Tivo since I got it has neen set with Keep until I delete. And I record a lot on Tivo. I have never had a problem.

Why limit user choice? Are VM treating all their customers as incompetent idiots? It appears that way to me given how the recording defaults have been implemented. VM messed up the first implementation of recording padding defaults; they had a chance to shine on their second go, and have messed it up again. I'm really annoyed with VM on this one, because for me, Express Series link remains completely useless.

carlwaring 15-08-2012 09:48

Re: TiVo Update Coming! 13-24th August - Just got a message on my box
 
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Originally Posted by Perfect Choice (Post 35463333)
"keep until space needed" is just crazy.

Why?
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why do VM make things hard here as hardly anybody would want that type of approach.
99% of my recordings are set to that. With >50% space available and only me in the house I don't need to set anything to KUID as my Tivo has not auto-deleted anything, ever since I got it.

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Must prefer it to be Tivo says its cannot record when no space is left so vast majority of users would want the default to be "until I decide to delete" (or whatever Tivo says as the option, not near my box right now to check).
You are welcome to your opinon, but that's all it is.

johnasimmons 15-08-2012 09:49

Re: TiVo Update Coming! 13-24th August - Just got a message on my box
 
TiVo update 15.3 now implimented in north London (NW1)

passingbat 15-08-2012 09:50

Re: TiVo Update Coming! 13-24th August - Just got a message on my box
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Perfect Choice (Post 35463333)
"keep until space needed" is just crazy, why do VM make things hard here as hardly anybody would want that type of approach. Much prefer it to be Tivo says its cannot record when no space is left so vast majority of users would want the default to be "until I decide to delete" (or whatever Tivo says as the option, not near my box right now to check). Tivo already alerts you when it does not have enough space, I've reached that limit once alreday. Don't like the idea Tivo can delete items by itself without me being aware, it should be my decision. Feel another "feature tweak" is required!

Spot on!

carlwaring 15-08-2012 09:50

Re: TiVo Update Coming! 13-24th August - Just got a message on my box
 
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Originally Posted by passingbat (Post 35463351)
Why limit user choice?

They're not.

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Are VM treating all their customers as incompetent idiots?
No.

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I'm really annoyed with VM on this one, because for me, Express Series link remains completely useless.
Wow! Hyperbole much? :rolleyes:

passingbat 15-08-2012 09:59

Re: TiVo Update Coming! 13-24th August - Just got a message on my box
 
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Originally Posted by carlwaring (Post 35463357)
They're not.


No.


Wow! Hyperbole much? :rolleyes:

Given that you can't changbe the Keep until option, they are limiting choice

And given that I don't use some of the defaults that are unchangeable in Express Series link, so don't use it, then in my book, it's completely useless

The clue is in the word 'use'.

carlwaring 15-08-2012 10:25

Re: TiVo Update Coming! 13-24th August - Just got a message on my box
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by passingbat (Post 35463362)
Given that you can't changbe the Keep until option, they are limiting choice

You can change it. Maybe not by on the defaults, which I agree do seem to have been implemented badly, but you can change it if you want to.

andy_m 15-08-2012 10:34

Re: TiVo Update Coming! 13-24th August - Just got a message on my box
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by passingbat (Post 35463344)
With the greatest of respect, I've been using PVRs of one kind or another for a lot of years now and Tivo for well over a year and I know how to get the best out of it for me, and that is not by using the current defaults.

Like I said in my post, "if they don't work for you then fine". However, I suspect that a lot of people are complaining about the way this has been implemented without having given it a go. I was furious when the last update gave us 1 and 4 padding, and went on and on on this forum about how ridiculous this was as a solution. I wish I'd tried it first-works perfectly for me.

passingbat 15-08-2012 10:41

Re: TiVo Update Coming! 13-24th August - Just got a message on my box
 
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=carlwaring;35463370
You can change it. Maybe not by on the defaults,
But it's the defaults we are discussing

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Originally Posted by carlwaring (Post 35463370)

which I agree do seem to have been implemented badly,

I'm glad you agree on that ;)

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Originally Posted by andy_m (Post 35463371)
Like I said in my post, "if they don't work for you then fine". However, I suspect that a lot of people are complaining about the way this has been implemented without having given it a go. I was furious when the last update gave us 1 and 4 padding, and went on and on on this forum about how ridiculous this was as a solution. I wish I'd tried it first-works perfectly for me.

There is no way I will set up any recording without the 'Keep until I delete' setting, so that rules out the defaults right from the get go.

carlwaring 15-08-2012 11:02

Re: TiVo Update Coming! 13-24th August - Just got a message on my box
 
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Originally Posted by passingbat (Post 35463373)
There is no way I will set up any recording without the 'Keep until I delete' setting, so that rules out the defaults right from the get go.

I assume you're in a large family then, with a heavily-used, very-full Tivo and don't want your stuff deleting until you've had a chance to watch it.

Which is fair enough :)

spiderplant 15-08-2012 11:22

Re: TiVo Update Coming! 13-24th August - Just got a message on my box
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by passingbat (Post 35463351)
every recording I have set on Tivo since I got it has neen set with Keep until I delete. And I record a lot on Tivo. I have never had a problem..

In that case you wouldn't have had a problem with "keep until space needed" either. The difference is only relevant when the disc becomes full.


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