re: The Pirate Bay is blocked (Discuss but do not post detail of how to get round it)
 

I'm still in my VM contract. When that's done, I'll probably switch to Infinity.

re: The Pirate Bay is blocked (Discuss but do not post detail of how to get round it)
 

Sage advice, I have edited my original post to include the term unlawful, as you are quite right, copyright breaches civil law not criminal law. :)

re: The Pirate Bay is blocked (Discuss but do not post detail of how to get round it)
 

It's not blocked by BT yet .

Anyone who is still trying to blame English courts or VM need to think a bit and start blaming TPB itself ,if they had shut up shop when they were ordered to instead of changing domains and moving countries to avoid jail,then there would be no precedence set for blocking sites which will become more widely used

Just to add to that ,a site that professes to champion the freedom of the Internet has single handedly caused the start of widespread censorship ....the irony is outstanding

re: The Pirate Bay is blocked (Discuss but do not post detail of how to get round it)
 

They are trying to move their servers to the sky the last I heard :)

re: The Pirate Bay is blocked (Discuss but do not post detail of how to get round it)
 

Seriously !?!?

So basically any site that the media industry deems is to shut up shop when ordered to? Lets not forget this is the same media industry that uses DMCA notices that have proven time and again to not be valid.

I suppose that you are in complete agreement with the US law enforcement agencies coercing the anti-terrorist squad of New Zealand to storm the home of a businessman, terrorising his pregnant wife and children. I also guess you are in complete agreement with the US law enforcement agencies not paying to keep evidence that is to be used against said businessman which could possibly be used in his defence. I also guess you completely agree that said businessman should not have the best law team to defend himself as the prosecutors of the case have tried to do.

I wonder what your position is on Richard O'Dwyer. A UK citizen who having committed no crimes in the UK is possibly going to be extradited the the US to faces charges of conspiracy to commit copyright infringement and criminal infringement of copyright?


Utter nonsense, Newsbinz(?) was the start of it last year.

re: The Pirate Bay is blocked (Discuss but do not post detail of how to get round it)
 

You've misunderstood my post entirely .I don't agree with any censorship of the Internet at all including forcing TPB to shut up shop ,but they have been ordered to shut and the owners have been sentenced to jail time and as a result of there stubbornness have now allowed Internet censorship to arrive in the UK ,when what they should have done was shut the site down and started up again with a different name and domain,the lesser of the 2 evils so to speak

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No ,it was shut down ,not blocked totally different thing

re: The Pirate Bay is blocked (Discuss but do not post detail of how to get round it)
 

I love it when someone signs up just to post complete bull excreta

The courts and the media owners have failed because everyone i have spoken to about this who uses torrents have said " I still have access and it was easy to get around".

re: The Pirate Bay is blocked (Discuss but do not post detail of how to get round it)
 

You start out well but end up contradicting yourself.

I can assure you Newsbinz(?) is still around they've moved to somewhere like the Seychelles and have anti-blocking software as part of their arsenal. It might be called something like NewsBin 2

Which is why this ruling is so bizarre the courts have tried it before and it hasn't worked so they decided to do it again.

re: The Pirate Bay is blocked (Discuss but do not post detail of how to get round it)
 

some say this

http://torrentfreak.com/newzbin-usen...defeat-100518/

and this backs up what you said ,but either way sites like TPB and Newzbin are responsible for the censorship we now face .Yes they should have questioned through the courts the decision to have shut down orders placed on them but once they lost those appeals they should have shut down instead of giving governments the opportunity to introduce censorship which could be used against other areas of the Internet

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Nice one.

I still think that using the term 'illicit' would cause less misunderstanding. I recognise that 'unlawful' ought to be the best word to use but I fear many may misconstrue it to imply a breach of criminal law when, as you and I both know, it implies no such thing.

I can't really criticise you for having the linguistic standards to stick with 'unlawful' though, since it is technically the best word for the job.

re: The Pirate Bay is blocked (Discuss but do not post detail of how to get round it)
 

Actually, I suggest you check the common dictionary definitions of the term illegal, which is basically something in breach of statute. Statute can be any law passed by parliament whether the penalty or consequences fall into criminal or civil remedies. As large aspects of copyright protection are encompassed by statutes it is correct to define the sharing of copyright materials as illegal.

But this is all rather pedantic and :notopic: in this thread. If you wish to debate further the specific legal definitions please start another thread and leave this one to the Pirate Bay blockages.

re: The Pirate Bay is blocked (Discuss but do not post detail of how to get round it)
 

OK, I'll stop. I will do no more than to respond to your point that this is pedantic. It really isn't meant to be, and usually I don't do the language police thing, but the implications of using the wrong term in this case casts people as criminals and that is not a minor matter. This misunderstanding is being used by some to intentionally mislead (though hopefully not on this forum) and so it's an important point to correct in this topic.

Also, just to defend myself, I think you may have been looking at a US dictionary perhaps? The word 'illegal' has a broader meaning there. I recommend the OED. Remember we are only talking about file sharing, not selling things for money. That would, of course, make a big difference.

My aim was to reduce antagonism, not increase it, so this is my last word on the point as requested.

re: The Pirate Bay is blocked (Discuss but do not post detail of how to get round it)
 

I regularly download files at 11+MB (megabytes, not megabits) that max out the connection and are 100% legal.

re: The Pirate Bay is blocked (Discuss but do not post detail of how to get round it)
 

Usenet?


Nah, I've got 80mb broadband and never once used it for torrents. Regularly max it out in other ways though, most often with FTP transfers and Steam.

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Course, with BT Infinity's bottom tier you get 10Mb upload, and at a lower monthly cost than VM's 30mb service (though admittedly it's not unlimited). Or get 20mb upload for a few quid more than 6mb on VM.

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You realise the censoring of torrent sites has been happening since at least 2005, right?

I remember it well, I was there:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_D-Elite

In fact, even before that media cartels were frequently going after media sharing services on a regular basis - Audiogalaxy, Napster, Kazaa, etc... You're a decade too late if you think the Pirate Bay was anywhere near the start or end of any part of the online piracy saga. It's been going a long, long time and copyright "holders" have been trying to put a stop to it for a long long time too.

re: The Pirate Bay is blocked (Discuss but do not post detail of how to get round it)
 

I thought NewsBin was the first time the UK courts had ordered a site to be blocked.