Re: Sainsbury's pull out of 'Work for your benefits scheme'
 

How are people getting sanctioned when its voluntary?

even the daily mail has got stuck in and they are usually anti welfare.

It doesnt hurt to criticise things now and again when they get things wrong.

This government has lost track of the real priorities they seem to think for some reason its more important just to get the long term unemployed into work and the rest is of little importance, as these placements would not have been advertised in general job papers.

As for the socialist party, thats just that fool trying to make people think its a socialist attitude and get it unfashionable. I first used the term slave labour on here in maggys thread and I hadnt seen it used anywhere else at the time, it just came to my head.

Re: Sainsbury's pull out of 'Work for your benefits scheme'
 

Re: Sainsbury's pull out of 'Work for your benefits scheme'
 

So if you decide you don't want to do a job anyone else in this country would be paid minimum wage at least then its fair "sanctions are imposed"?

I think the scheme is great but pay everyone on it the minimum wage that the law says they're entitled to. Unless the unemployed are not protected by the same rights as anyone else?

An as for your comment that these are not jobs I disagree, You arrive at the same time as a fulltime employee, you go for a break the same time, you go for lunch the same time, you finish the same time, you do exactly the same work, These are jobs in all but WAGE!

There is no defense for not paying minimum wage, refusal to work once offered minimum wage should incur sanctions.

Re: Sainsbury's pull out of 'Work for your benefits scheme'
 

I guess hugh means its voluntary as long as you dont mind losing some or all of your benefit ;)

Re: Sainsbury's pull out of 'Work for your benefits scheme'
 

Just like if you don't turn up to sign on for good reasons, you lose some of your benefits - why should this be any different?

Out of the 34000 who have been through this Work Experience scheme, less than 200 have had any form of sanctions imposed.

Re: Sainsbury's pull out of 'Work for your benefits scheme'
 

Where did you read that?

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The point being that 'yes' it may be common knowledge now that it's voluntary for the first week. but it's been shown and proven that claimants were not told that it's voluntary for the first week. they can pull out with no risk of losing their benefits.

up until now.

http://www.consent.me.uk/workexperience/

Re: Sainsbury's pull out of 'Work for your benefits scheme'
 

No Gary what it higlites is the benefit claimants responsibility to the people who provide those benefits i.e the tax payer .

Re: Sainsbury's pull out of 'Work for your benefits scheme'
 

I read it on the BBC website And this was on the Guardian website It would appear the sanction is the same as if they didn't turn up to sign on.

Just linked through your link, Gary, and the first documents (the version 1) states in the guidance (in the Work Experience Documents zip file, Work Experience Guidance for Advisors document)

Re: Sainsbury's pull out of 'Work for your benefits scheme'
 

That just means people have not read it through properly or listened to what they are being told probably because they are so outraged that they have to actually do something in return for free money

Re: Sainsbury's pull out of 'Work for your benefits scheme'
 

Yeh, but you're just being biased though with your opinion.

Re: Sainsbury's pull out of 'Work for your benefits scheme'
 

and i would suspect that those who did have santions applied against them where the worst kind of long term claimant ,those who these schemes are aimed at

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how so?

Re: Sainsbury's pull out of 'Work for your benefits scheme'
 

If they got the info from Chris Grayling. it's probably a lie or highly excaggerated. like alot of the stuff he's been saying of late to do with this.

I'll see what I can find out.

what do you think of the now omitted paragraph in the guidelines I posted earlier?

Re: Sainsbury's pull out of 'Work for your benefits scheme'
 

would love to comment the letters aren't there just blank boxes

Re: Sainsbury's pull out of 'Work for your benefits scheme'
 

Because you've totally ignored the facts, and put your own prejudices first.

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Probably you're browser.

Re: Sainsbury's pull out of 'Work for your benefits scheme'
 

Try actually reading the documents released through the FOI request - as I stated above, the original document states