Re: A new flood of migrants ?
 

Because it might be a fortune to them compared to what money is worth where they came from?

D - if you think Hugh is on a point scoring exercise again.

Are you the man that stands up and says "that's racist"? :D

I am as racist as you are a drunk.

Re: A new flood of migrants ?
 

But the cost is the same for them in this country as everyone else (as this is where they are paying for things) - whereas equivalent value in their own country is meaningless, like much of your postings.

Re: A new flood of migrants ?
 

E) You're one of those male chickens ?

Still waiting for my request for evidence of your earlier claim, or, as hugh puts it to succintly perhaps you were talking bolleaux ??


Oh, B, C & E for my vote........

Re: A new flood of migrants ?
 

Marty said earlier about whether they will be held to the (looking for work and having their money stopped if they're not) thing.

I expect they have more rights than someone that was born here when it comes to it. I mean we said come on in and have the benefits. it would be quite cruel of us to hold them to conditions and suddenly take it off them for something as silly as that.

Re: A new flood of migrants ?
 

Well, I get reasonably relaxed with alcohol around twice a week - are you reasonably racist twice a week (if so, you must be cutting down...:D).

Re: A new flood of migrants ?
 

Ok, here you are. sorry it's took so long.

Depends how far you want to go with the subsidises. free house, free council tax, free health care and treatment, etc..
that's for the ones who work.

This was in reference to your below minimum wage fruit and veg picking jobs that nobody else wants.
and I won't mention the fact that I said Depends how far you want to go, and the rest were just examples, because I think you will be really disappointed.

the free options are not a certainty. they are a possibility (due to an assessment of earnings) probability is that due to the low wages from picking fruit and veg, a free house, free council tax, and NHS treatment is highly likely.

then you have to subsidise the ones that haven't come over to work.
free house, free council tax, free health care and treatment, free benefit money, etc..

if you haven't got a job, then it's a very high probability that you will receive all of the above. just like someone who already lives in this country does.

why should migrants be any different?


the disadvantages can far outweigh the advantages. and bringing racism into money matters is silly.

This one doesn't need any explaining. does it?

Again sorry it took so long.

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You don't understand, Hugh.

Re: A new flood of migrants ?
 

What a cop-out.

As usual, the depth of your answer is equalled only by its credibility.:(

Are you saying that it is cheaper for an immigrant to eat and live in this country than it is for a native? If so, how?

Re: A new flood of migrants ?
 

For those migrants whose aim is to stay here for good, buy a home etc. there is no real advantage (except that they haven't paid much if anything into the system beforehand) over the equivalent indigenous population since they'll have the same sort of income and the same sort of outgoings - a level playing field you might say.

However, for those who want to come here for just a few years and don't mind 'roughing it' for that period, the attraction of working here (and now claiming benefits) is huge because that money, when repatriated, represents a vast sum which could buy a home outright for example. They're effectively using the UK's much higher wage and benefit rates to subsidise their long term existance elsewhere and whilst I can understand them doing just that - many UK expats have done the same, after all - we can't deny it a) is happening, b) will probably increase now that they don't even need to have had a job to claim benefits and c) is going to cost a lot more money at a time when a lot of people here are really struggling.

The option that migrants have to live cheap for a while, save as much as they can and then take the money back home where it goes a hell of a lot further is isn't really open to the indigenous masses, especially those who're already embroiled in the housing market and struggling to pay mortages etc. It is something the young here can and are doing to an extent (by, for example, staying at home much longer to save house deposits) but the truth is if they work just as hard and for the same money as their migrant equivalents, what they come away with over the same period isn't going to go anywhere near as far because the housing and other costs they're going to have to contend with permanently are much higher than those the returning migrants enjoy back home.

We have a friend (a single mother with a very severely disabled child, neither of whom were born here) who has never really worked here but is eligible for quite a few benefits as you'd expect. She's certainly not living the life of Reilly but has, over the years, used the money she's saved from her benefits etc. to build a home back in Poland.

Re: A new flood of migrants ?
 

Now that is a credible answer - thank you, Osem.

Mind you, I remember the Brits doing the same in West Germany in the 80s....

Re: A new flood of migrants ?
 

Please add the vote so we CAN vote please :)

Re: A new flood of migrants ?
 

YW ;)

Oh yes, we've been there and done that as I said above. I don't think, however, too many Brits. have come across foreign welfare/health systems as relatively generous and open to abuse as most migrants find ours is, and that's why I believe the UK is soon going to be even more of a magnet for them.

Re: A new flood of migrants ?
 

No need to guess 2.3 million left in the last 13 years and 5.5 came in...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...er-Labour.html

Re: A new flood of migrants ?
 

Migration is necessary to a point but of course there's a finite amount of space/resources and significant long term population growth, whether by migration or procreation, sooner or later has to be controlled.

We can't pick and choose our migrants, however, and we seemingly can't stop EU citizens coming here if they choose to do so for whatever reason. Of course if they stay for a few years, work hard and then go home that's one thing but if they decide to remain and have families here they then ultimately add to the numbers of old people who need to be supported. It's a crazy argument that says we need more migrants to help support the growing proportion of elderly when these same migrants may well go on to become our elderly and therefore part of the 'problem' they were invited here to address. It's especially the case in those migrant communities in which birth rates tend to be higher than the indigenous population.

Re: A new flood of migrants ?
 

As long as he puts option D in, I agree :)

E) You're one of those male chickens

refers to Hugh, so we don't need that one.


Yes, that's what I think. but Hugh wanted me to explain it in the way you did :)

Re: A new flood of migrants ?
 

Yes there is potential for further migrants to enter the country ,that is not the point of the thread .What has happened is we have given cart blanche to any EU citizen to enter this country and immediately be eligible for benefits ,as you rightly say this is also becoming law in other EU countries so no difference there ,the difference is that our benefit system is far more generous than other member states and as such is far more attractive to migrants who will see it as a really good safety net to allow them to come here and search for work (assuming that is their intention) whereas previously they had to register for work in this country (that is also being scrapped).
In this country if i wanted to claim JSA i would have to prove that i was out of work through no fault of my own ,will the migrants claiming be subject to the same rules? .
I would also have contributed to the system through NI contributions and tax ,have they ?

I am firmly against this ,this does not make me or anyone else a migrant hater (apart from someone who said "i hate migrants").I am also firmly against our welfare system being too generous with our own indigenous population but that is for a different thread .Our government is firmly committed to cutting the welfare bill ,how will they manage to do that if we have migrants coming here and automatically qualifying for benefits such as housing benefits because they are only working for minimum wage picking fruit (example)whichever way you look at it they are going to be a burden we can't afford .

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excelant last 2 posts Osem :clap::clap::clap: