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Kymmy

16-09-2010 16:11

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I think Stephen Fry has some sensible words

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-11316476

Chris

16-09-2010 16:29

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I don't think he does - as with many of this country's highly intelligent and articulate atheists, when asked to comment on religious issues he can't help but dissolve into spluttering disapproval.

He, of all people, I should have expected to be able to articulate why he thinks the Pope shouldn't have had a State reception today. Unfortunately when it came to the crunch his argument boiled down to 'he shouldn't get one because it's self evident that the Vatican isn't a State'. Sadly for him and those who think like him, international law doesn't hold that assertion to be self evident.

And I'd be very careful about decrying something due to its status being an 'accident of history' - most of the British constitution is an accident of history, yet I don't hear Stephen Fry demanding a revolution.

danielf

16-09-2010 17:17

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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 35092625)

While that's a fair point, I thought the observation that if the Vatican is a state, it is best described as an Autocratic Monarchy an interesting one. Should we see the pope's invitation as a head of state as UK endorsement of Autocratic Monarchy* as a form of Government?

*An autocratic monarchy that is seen by many as failing to act on widespread child abuse in its ranks at that.

Mr Angry

16-09-2010 17:50

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Originally Posted by danielf (Post 35092641)

Should we see the pope's invitation as a head of state as UK endorsement of Autocratic Monarchy* as a form of Government?

*An autocratic monarchy that is seen by many as failing to act on widespread child abuse in its ranks at that.

If that is the case and the context in which he was invited then, apparently, yes you should.

Damien

16-09-2010 18:07

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-11332515

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The Pope has compared "atheist extremism" to the Nazi tyranny of WWII in a speech given in Edinburgh as he begins a four-day visit to the UK.

Not sure if this was a fair interpretation of what he actually said, at first glance it appears quite a moronic thing to say but then what does he mean by 'extremism'?

Mr Angry

16-09-2010 18:32

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35092663)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-11332515

Not sure if this was a fair interpretation of what he actually said, at first glance it appears quite a moronic thing to say but then what does he mean by 'extremism'?

By "extremism" he most probably means "them" or, alternatively, anyone, anything and any body which doesn't subscribe or conform to his partcular mindset at any given time.

papa smurf

16-09-2010 18:55

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as an atheist i have no interest in the twisted views of this sad old git. reality will catch him up eventually .

Mr Angry

16-09-2010 19:00

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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35092680)

.... i have no interest in the twisted views of this sad old git.

The feeling is mutual, apparently.

papa smurf

16-09-2010 19:02

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Originally Posted by Mr Angry (Post 35092683)

The feeling is mutual, apparently.

:tu:

Pierre

16-09-2010 19:09

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As an "athiest"...........I'm not sure if I am, I don't believe in a god, or any gods but I'm not against religion, if that's what people want to believe.

Anyway, I don't believe in god but you can't get away from the fact that this country is a christian country. It's not very often the leader of the christian church comes here and I have no objection to the pomp and ceremony afforded to him if it makes the very large population of UK christians happy.

Sirius

16-09-2010 19:19

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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35092680)

as an atheist i have no interest in the twisted views of this sad old git. reality will catch him up eventually .

Agreed. However when he starts broadcasting that bull plop at his public meetings then i start to see my bottom over him.

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The Pope has ignited a row by associating atheism with Nazism in the first speech of his UK visit.

If he wants to associate atheists with Nazi's then i have no problem associating Christians with pedophiles, Two can play at that game.

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"The notion that it was the atheism of Nazis that led to their extremist and hateful views or that it somehow fuels intolerance in Britain today is a terrible libel against those who do not believe in God.

"The notion that it is non-religious people in the UK today who want to force their views on others, coming from a man whose organisation exerts itself internationally to impose its narrow and exclusive form of morality and undermine the human rights of women, children, gay people and many others, is surreal."

The Pope's speech follows controversial comments by one of his top aides in an interview with German magazine Focus.

Cardinal Walter Kasper, 77, spoke about the Godlessness of a section of English society, claiming Britain was facing an "aggressive new atheism" and "Christians were at a disadvantage".

Why has he started spouting all this bull plop anyway. Is it that he must upset as many people as he can whilst he is here part of his objective.

papa smurf

16-09-2010 19:41

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Originally Posted by Sirius (Post 35092696)

Agreed. However when he starts broadcasting that bull plop at his public meetings then i start to see my bottom over him.

If he wants to associate atheists with Nazi's then i have no problem associating Christians with pedophiles, Two can play at that game.

Why has he started spouting all this bull plop anyway. Is it that he must upset as many people as he can whilst he is here part of his objective.

its a distraction ploy -now all the kafiks are pointing at the evil nazi atheist baby eaters;)

Sirius

16-09-2010 19:49

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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35092708)

its a distraction ploy -now all the kafiks are pointing at the evil nazi atheist baby eaters;)

I have a perfect reply to that but it would get me banned :LOL:

Mr Angry

16-09-2010 19:50

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Originally Posted by Sirius (Post 35092696)

If he wants to associate atheists with Nazi's then i have no problem associating Christians with p(a)edophiles, Two can play at that game.

And in doing so you not only cause equally ill informed affrontery but you also do yourself a disservice.

Sirius

16-09-2010 19:56

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Originally Posted by Mr Angry (Post 35092714)

And in doing so you not only cause equally ill informed effrontery but you also do yourself a disservice.

Well he just wound me up :)

If i want to be a atheist that is my decision, However i don't expect the leader of the catholic church to assume that because i am an atheist i must therefor be associated with Nazi-ism

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