Re: how about we start a campaign to let VM know that we DONT LIKE SHAPING
 

If's it only 5% of users that clogg up the network then WHY Cap the whole Network.

am I missing something or should VM be targeting the 5%?

Re: how about we start a campaign to let VM know that we DONT LIKE SHAPING
 

I posted conclusive indicators on this forum last night (three separate speed tests and my DU Meter (as recommended by VM) readings for yesterday) that prove their assertion that their traffic management being determined by usage limits is a nonsense and nothing more than a crass method of simply reducing bandwidth usage in the hope that customers don't notice.

Please afford me a little time and I'll make available a template letter for customers to issue to VM which will cause a few "headaches".

Re: how about we start a campaign to let VM know that we DONT LIKE SHAPING
 

Least you can organise a drinking session in a brewery ;)

Re: how about we start a campaign to let VM know that we DONT LIKE SHAPING
 

Re: how about we start a campaign to let VM know that we DONT LIKE SHAPING
 

the ability to understand the english language seems to be a problem for a few people on here so ill try my best...

the traffic shaping will ONLY affect the top 5% of people, it will not affect everyone. however EVERYBODY is subject to it but you will only be affected by it if you reach that top 5%

is that simple enough for everyone

Re: how about we start a campaign to let VM know that we DONT LIKE SHAPING
 

If it only affected 1% would that be ok?
Peoples " unlimited " service is being " restricted "

Re: how about we start a campaign to let VM know that we DONT LIKE SHAPING
 

is it, please provide evidence that shows an unlimited download connection is being restricted in the amount you can download

Re: how about we start a campaign to let VM know that we DONT LIKE SHAPING
 

It is being restricted, whether it be in the amount or the time taken is irrelevant, it is restricted.

Re: how about we start a campaign to let VM know that we DONT LIKE SHAPING
 

as for people saying traffic shaping is NOT a limit, first lets look at the dictionary definitions

un·lim·itÃƒÆ ’‚·ed

not limited; unrestricted; unconfined: unlimited trade.

lim·it·ed

confined within limits; restricted or circumscribed: a limited space; limited resources.

i'll use fake numbers because i can't be bothered to work them out but lets say hypothetically that on a 10mb connection you can download

100gb per day

and everyone lives for 100 years

on an unshaped network you get 3,650,000gb

on a shaped network you get shaped for 8 hours per day which = 82.5 gb per day

or 3,011,250 gb

while neither is technically "unlimited" one is getting less than the other while being described as having no limits. ( and i need a hobby ) lol

Re: how about we start a campaign to let VM know that we DONT LIKE SHAPING
 

you havent answered my question, i think english may be a problem here as well so lets try french...

veuillez fournir l'évidence où la quantité que vous pouvez télécharger est restreinte

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i still cannot see any evidence as to wheree you are restricted in how much you can download, the only evidence you have provided is restricting the SPEED at which you can download which is not what I asked for evidence for

Re: how about we start a campaign to let VM know that we DONT LIKE SHAPING
 

maybe you should read it again?

if the absolute maximum you can download, in your lifetime, at fullspeed 10mb all day everyday is 3,650,000gb (using the numbers i mentioned)

and on your UNLIMITED service you can only get 3,011,250gb

how is it unlimited, it has been limited from the maximum possible to less.

Re: how about we start a campaign to let VM know that we DONT LIKE SHAPING
 

ok lets get 'technical'

the word unlimited should be removed from the dictionary as based on that it is impossible for anything to ever be unlimited as everything has a finite span

Re: how about we start a campaign to let VM know that we DONT LIKE SHAPING
 

Re: how about we start a campaign to let VM know that we DONT LIKE SHAPING
 

I'm with you on this one. It certainly makes sense to me.

(Yet) another analogy could be...

Consider the LeMans 24hr race...has any team actually won it by agreeing to only run their cars at half their maximum speed for a third of the race? Of couse not, because this would be an unfair limitation.

and another...

If you work for 9 hours at £10/hr, how would you feel if your employer said that he was only prepared to pay you £5/hr for a third of the time? £75 per day as opposed to £90?

I know these are pretty simplistic, but I'm at work at the moment so most of my brain cells are employed elsewhere:)

Re: how about we start a campaign to let VM know that we DONT LIKE SHAPING
 

if you're referring to me im simply providing evidence against a campaign so although posts may appear to be off topic they are not

thank you