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Paul 18-05-2004 14:01
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Well since they introduced the 1GB "limit" more than 12 months ago that doesn't really apply now. :)

Chrysalis 18-05-2004 14:35
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yep, it probably explains why it took them so long to start sending out letters.

arcamalpha2004 18-05-2004 15:35
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Nikko
I have been away from this thread since lunchtime for several hours, due to work commitments.

On my return, I see nothing really has been added except lots of threads from one persistently onerous user who despite the volume and frequency of posts has contributed nothing fresh or remotely interesting whatsoever.

Under the TOC of this site I would not name any individual or be seen to pick on anyone who is intellectually challenged, but if you think it might be you and have a guilty feeling, do as you suggested yourself 3 pages back and stop posting - it really is boring.

Everyone else, have a lovely evening.


How refreshing it must be on your cloud, get of it!

arcamalpha2004 18-05-2004 15:36
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Chrysalis
On the subject again of ntl changing the t&c I am fairly sure now that I am right.

Wannadoo recently moved to metered packages but all their current customers are not affected, it only applies to new customers.

If you are on a 12month contract then the contract that was in place when you signed up applies to you for the 12months, then after the initial 12 months the new t&c would take affect, so if ntl did try to boot someone of the service, who signed up before the t&c was changed and then broke the new t&c within their original 12 months ntl would be breaking the law.
Thankyou chrysalis.

Paul 18-05-2004 16:07
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Quote:
Originally Posted by arcamalpha2004
Thankyou chrysalis.
Keep reading ...... :)

andygrif 18-05-2004 21:12
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Chrysalis
On the subject again of ntl changing the t&c I am fairly sure now that I am right.

Wannadoo recently moved to metered packages but all their current customers are not affected, it only applies to new customers.

If you are on a 12month contract then the contract that was in place when you signed up applies to you for the 12months, then after the initial 12 months the new t&c would take affect, so if ntl did try to boot someone of the service, who signed up before the t&c was changed and then broke the new t&c within their original 12 months ntl would be breaking the law.
Well normally you'd be right, but this is plaNeT-L we're talking about - and the t&c's you sign up to point you in the direction of the AUP, which includes the following:

Quote:
NTL User Policy
You should check this User Policy regularly as we may change it to take on board new issues that may arise in connection with your use of the Services or the way we provide the Services. The most up to date version of the User Policy will apply to your use of the Services, even if you have not read the updated version.
I'm pretty sure (perhaps someone more legalese than I can confirm) that this would mean that if the AUP changed during the course of the initial year's contract then you would have the right in law to cancel the agreement. But I don't think that changing it in the first year would be illegal.

SMHarman 18-05-2004 21:47
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Quote:
Originally Posted by andygrif
I'm pretty sure (perhaps someone more legalese than I can confirm) that this would mean that if the AUP changed during the course of the initial year's contract then you would have the right in law to cancel the agreement. But I don't think that changing it in the first year would be illegal.
I think it would depend on how significant the change is. But a significant change to the contract would render it a different contract and cancelable. Well you could argue it would not have been entered into rather than cancelling it.

That said if the bandwidth guidance limits did not affect your usage patterns under the contract, I doubt you would have grounds to cancel.

DeadKenny 19-05-2004 14:36
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Here's something to think about...

AOL have reduced their 1Mbps broadband to £29.99 a month.

REDUCED... Take note!

Not increased, but reduced.

http://www.aol.co.uk/products/broadband/cost.html

Includes free modem & set-up and free tech support help line.

Okay it's AOL:eek:, which is possibly a worse evil than NTL, but the point is the competition is (as I've contested before) reducing prices, so why on earth are NTL increasing them? :confused:

As broadband progresses I've always expected prices to drop and speeds to increase (accepted that higher speeds may be introduced that cost more, fiar enough), but it baffles me as to why NTL want to increase prices.

andygrif 19-05-2004 14:47
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Well now anyone that wants to have cable modem internet at 1mb, but doesn't want the extra three quid, can just switch over to AOL through their ntl line. Easy.

SMHarman 19-05-2004 14:53
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erm, no. AOL BB is only availible on 600k NTL BB. The 1MB is only availible on BT lines (subject to line check...).

Still it covers most of the cost of your BT line rental.

LenMackin 19-05-2004 15:37
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Just downgraded from 1mb to 600kb. Sad to do it but the service has been poor and frankly the cost should be heading down not up. I reckon it should be 24.99 for 1mb and 34.99 for a 2mb service. Well I'll give it a year or so and see what happens, meanwhile ADSL services are getting cheaper and faster and I can pick them all up in this area.

arcamalpha2004 19-05-2004 15:44
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So would it just be simplifying things for an NTL user on 1mb bb to simply change their package to 600k? then they can switch?

etccarmageddon 19-05-2004 16:15
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no point as with NTL you'll be getting 750k "late summer"

andrew_wallasey 19-05-2004 16:26
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Quote:
Originally Posted by LenMackin
Just downgraded from 1mb to 600kb. Sad to do it but the service has been poor and frankly the cost should be heading down not up. I reckon it should be 24.99 for 1mb and 34.99 for a 2mb service. Well I'll give it a year or so and see what happens, meanwhile ADSL services are getting cheaper and faster and I can pick them all up in this area."
Id love to know where you got them prices from?!?!?!

arcamalpha2004 19-05-2004 16:34
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Originally Posted by etccarmageddon
no point as with NTL you'll be getting 750k "late summer"
Understand your point, but was just replying in regard to statement that only 600k customers can switch to aol 1mb through NTL line.

LenMackin 20-05-2004 00:40
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The prices or what I think we should be paying - after all we are a few years into broadband now and it should not be seen as a luxury. Other countries seem to be getting faster and cheaper - AOL germany offering 1.5mb for 24.90 euros per month (about £18). OK that gets you a 15gb download limit. 29.90 euros gets you 1mb unlimited and 49.90 euros (£36) gets you 3mb unlimited. AOL France or doing 1mb for 27.99 euros per month. Now I am not advocating AOL as a good service, i just picked it because I know that it operates across Europe. I am sure that there are hundreds of providers across europe the beat the s**t our of NTL for broadband prices. Not over here, we thing £37.99 is a good deal!

DeadKenny 20-05-2004 11:24
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Exactly, and even AOL UK are doing 1Mbps for £29.99.

Not that's I'd touch AOL with a bargepole, but the point is clear and NTL seem to have lost the plot.

ian@huth 20-05-2004 11:32
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Quote:
Originally Posted by arcamalpha2004
Understand your point, but was just replying in regard to statement that only 600k customers can switch to aol 1mb through NTL line.
The only service available via AOL on the NTL cable system is 600k. You cannot get 1 Mb AOL via NTL, only via a BT line.

andygrif 20-05-2004 11:32
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Quote:
Originally Posted by SMHarman
erm, no. AOL BB is only availible on 600k NTL BB. The 1MB is only availible on BT lines (subject to line check...).

Still it covers most of the cost of your BT line rental.
Really? I didn't know that - AOL don't tell you that before you order! Oh well - in that case I take it back - you don't have a choice after all!

arcamalpha2004 20-05-2004 15:47
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ianathuth
The only service available via AOL on the NTL cable system is 600k. You cannot get 1 Mb AOL via NTL, only via a BT line.
Ok Ian, my fault, have to get them glasses ;)


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