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telegramsam 09-01-2025 22:08
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This country NEEDED this Labour government and we must all accept the tough times coming. The last government made an awful mess of things,feathering their and pals nests at the expense of the ordinary working man. I know many will disagree with me but please stay calm because better times are ahead if we stick with this government.

1andrew1 10-01-2025 00:37
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Comedy gold! I suspect that the Streisand effect may come into play here!

Quote:
Liz Truss sends cease and desist letter to Sir Keir Starmer over claims she 'crashed the economy'

The letter says his claims were made to make Liz Truss lose her South West Norfolk seat. It also says what happened after the mini budget is not the definition of a "crash".

Sir Keir's spokesman said the prime minister has no plans to "moderate his language" based on the letter.

He also questioned whether Ms Truss will be writing to the "millions of people up and down the country" who shared Sir Keir's view.

Market movement following the mini budget did not constitute a "crash", the letter says, and accuses Sir Keir of displaying an "ignorance of basic economics" by doing so.

Following the mini budget, which included £45bn of unfunded tax cuts, the UK government's long-term borrowing costs rose sharply by 0.3 percentage points over a day.

The pound then fell to record lows against the dollar, and there was another sharp rise in the cost of long-term government borrowing by 0.5 percentage points after then chancellor Kwasi Kwarteng hinted there would be further tax cuts.

This led to rising mortgage rates, with hundreds of products withdrawn, and an impact on UK pension funds.
https://news.sky.com/story/liz-truss...onomy-13285944

papa smurf 10-01-2025 08:25
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36189052)
Comedy gold! I suspect that the Streisand effect may come into play here!


https://news.sky.com/story/liz-truss...onomy-13285944
similar to reevenomics, i foresee the finger of blame moving to Rachael from customer services in the near future

1andrew1 10-01-2025 08:38
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Liz Truss sends cease and desist letter to Sir Keir Starmer over claims she 'crashed the economy'
https://news.sky.com/story/liz-truss...onomy-13285944

Is this the same Liz Truss who believes in free speech? :D

Seems like misunderstanding economics is not the limit of her misunderstandings!
https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...0&d=1736498243

1andrew1 10-01-2025 08:41
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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36189060)
similar to reevenomics, i foresee the finger of blame moving to Rachael from customer services in the near future
I thought it was Rachael from accounts? Has she been promoted? :D

papa smurf 10-01-2025 08:47
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36189062)
I thought it was Rachael from accounts? Has she been promoted? :D
Was she ever in accounts? her CV was a bit dodgy

judging by the state of the economy she wasn't in accounts

jonbxx 10-01-2025 09:28
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David Allen Green has a great analysis of Liz Truss’s lawyers letter. Safe to say he is not impressed - https://davidallengreen.com/2025/01/...desist-letter/

It would be fun if the response was similar to the classic Arkell vs Pressdram ( https://proftomcrick.com/2014/04/29/...ressdram-1971/ not work safe language on linked page )

Hugh 10-01-2025 09:49
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Originally Posted by jonbxx (Post 36189064)
David Allen Green has a great analysis of Liz Truss’s lawyers letter. Safe to say he is not impressed - https://davidallengreen.com/2025/01/...desist-letter/

It would be fun if the response was similar to the classic Arkell vs Pressdram ( https://proftomcrick.com/2014/04/29/...ressdram-1971/ not work safe language on linked page )
I liked this one…

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In 1974, Dale Cox, an attorney, wrote on his firm’s letterhead to the Cleveland Browns — an American football team in Ohio — complaining about a fad of paper planes being thrown by fans during Browns’ games. He threatened to sue unless this risk of “serious injury” to eyes and ears was stopped.

He received this reply with his own letter attached:

"Dear Mr Cox: Attached is a letter that we received on November 19, 1974. I feel that you should be aware that some asshole is signing your name to stupid letters.

Very truly yours,

James N Bailey,
General Counsel,
Cleveland Stadium Corporation”.

Pierre 10-01-2025 10:22
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36189052)
Comedy gold! I suspect that the Streisand effect may come into play here!


https://news.sky.com/story/liz-truss...onomy-13285944
Well Starmer and Reeves have tanked the economy worse than Truss did.

downquark1 10-01-2025 11:42
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I think you can stick a fork in labour and call them done. They will remain in power in the short term and I don't know who will replace them but in the long term I don't see them becoming anything but a Muslim only party now.

ianch99 10-01-2025 12:27
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Originally Posted by downquark1 (Post 36189071)
I think you can stick a fork in labour and call them done. They will remain in power in the short term and I don't know who will replace them but in the long term I don't see them becoming anything but a Muslim only party now.
This made me laugh, thank you. We need a bit of good honest humour now & again ...

1andrew1 10-01-2025 12:38
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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36189068)
Well Starmer and Reeves have tanked the economy worse than Truss did.
Lol. :D

I'm checking train prices to Edinburgh now. On the strength of this gag alone, you are a strong contender for a show at the Fringe. :tu:

papa smurf 10-01-2025 12:48
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Originally Posted by downquark1 (Post 36189071)
I think you can stick a fork in labour and call them done. They will remain in power in the short term and I don't know who will replace them but in the long term I don't see them becoming anything but a Muslim only party now.
Probably have to start a village idiot party to accommodate the other lefty groups

Hugh 10-01-2025 13:23
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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36189076)
Probably have to start a village idiot party to accommodate the other lefty groups
Reform UK already exists…

papa smurf 10-01-2025 13:35
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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36189077)
Reform UK already exists…
I thought they were the far right

Pierre 10-01-2025 14:24
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36189075)
Lol. :D

I'm checking train prices to Edinburgh now. On the strength of this gag alone, you are a strong contender for a show at the Fringe. :tu:
Here's my material.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...agflation.html

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/...-reeves-truss/

https://www.express.co.uk/news/polit...z-truss-budget

Pierre 10-01-2025 20:28
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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36188838)
What exactly did you find insufficient about the 7 year long inquiry that included 15 investigations and produced 19 reports, and which of the recommendations do you disagree with?
I gave you a full answer to your question to me.

I was hoping to receive one back from you to mine.

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What do you think exactly are the recommendations in the report that will get to the heart of the rape gangs and address the cultural entitlement Pakistani men in these communities feel they have to rape young white girls with impunity?

Hugh 10-01-2025 22:07
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I try not to humour posters who ask "closed" loaded questions - your question was the equivalent of "have you stopped beating your wife?".

What Professor Jay said in her report was

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Prof Jay's inquiry noted that "many of the high-profile child sexual exploitation prosecutions have involved groups of men from minority ethnic communities" but a lack of data means it is "impossible to know whether any particular ethnic group is over-represented as perpetrators of child sexual exploitation by networks".
I wonder why you didn’t ask the question

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What do you think exactly are the recommendations in the report that will get to the heart of the sexual abusers and address the cultural entitlement Catholic men in these communities feel they have to sexually abuse young white children with impunity?
From the report

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The investigation into the Roman Catholic Church in England and Wales revealed a sorry history of child sexual abuse where abusive priests and members of religious orders and institutions preyed on children for prolonged periods of time. Between 1970 and 2015, the Church received more than 3,000 complaints against more than 900 individuals connected to the Church. In the same period, there were 177 prosecutions, resulting in 133 convictions. Millions of pounds have been paid to victims and survivors in civil proceedings. Since 2016, there have been more than 100 reported allegations of recent and non-recent child sexual abuse every year. The true scale of abuse over a 50-year period is likely to be much greater.
As the Government states

https://www.gov.uk/government/speech...d-sexual-abuse

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Exploitation and gangs
Nor is there any excuse for anyone not to recognise and act on the deep harm and damage from organised gang exploitation, abuse, sexual assaults and rape.

Ten years ago 2 reports by Alexis Jay and Louise Casey into Rotherham found that 1,400 children were sexually exploited, raped by multiple perpetrators, trafficked across other towns, abducted, beaten, threatened with guns, even children who had been doused in petrol, girls as young as 11 who were raped. Their reports identified then a decade ago, a failure to confront Pakistani heritage gangs and “a widespread perception that they should “downplay” the ethnic dimensions” for fear of being seen to be racist.

When those reports came out, those failings in Rotherham were condemned across the board by both government and opposition in this House, and as I said at the time “it is never an excuse to use race and ethnicity or community relations as an excuse not to investigate and punish sex offenders.” And the then Home Secretary made clear “cultural concerns and fear of being seen as racist must never stand in the way of child protection.”

The Independent Inquiry into Child Sexual Abuse also ran a specific investigation strand into child sexual exploitation by organised networks – it ran for 2 years and produced a separate report in February 2022 which concluded that police forces and local councils were still failing to tackle this serious crime and set out further recommendations for change.

1andrew1 11-01-2025 10:40
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Interesting to recall BoJo's take on child abuse enquiries.

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Boris Johnson says '£60m spaffed up the wall' on child abuse inquiries
https://news.sky.com/video/boris-joh...iries-11664122

I think Ian Hislop sums up the situation here quite well when talking about Musk.
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He also said that the X/Twitter owner’s reach is helped by “people who have been persuaded over the past five years or so that the mainstream media hasn’t covered any stories and that the only people who have noticed anything happening in the world are people sitting in their bedrooms and sending messages to each other”.
https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-e...-b2677250.html

Pierre 11-01-2025 12:19
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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36189111)
I try not to humour posters who ask "closed" loaded questions - your question was the equivalent of "have you stopped beating your wife?".
A valid question if you have been beating her?

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What Professor Jay said in her report was:

Prof Jay's inquiry noted that "many of the high-profile child sexual exploitation prosecutions have involved groups of men from minority ethnic communities" but a lack of data means it is "impossible to know whether any particular ethnic group is over-represented as perpetrators of child sexual exploitation by networks".
Thank you, and that paragraph right there is why the report is a white washed load of nonsense.

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I wonder why you didn’t ask the question


What do you think exactly are the recommendations in the report that will get to the heart of the sexual abusers and address the cultural entitlement Catholic men in these communities feel they have to sexually abuse young white children with impunity?
From the report

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The investigation into the Roman Catholic Church in England and Wales revealed a sorry history of child sexual abuse where abusive priests and members of religious orders and institutions preyed on children for prolonged periods of time. Between 1970 and 2015, the Church received more than 3,000 complaints against more than 900 individuals connected to the Church. In the same period, there were 177 prosecutions, resulting in 133 convictions. Millions of pounds have been paid to victims and survivors in civil proceedings. Since 2016, there have been more than 100 reported allegations of recent and non-recent child sexual abuse every year. The true scale of abuse over a 50-year period is likely to be much greater.
Because, Mr Whataboutary,

We weren’t discussing the Catholic Church, in my response to you I said:

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That report lumped the Islamic Child Rape gangs in with other scandals such as the church, and Westminster, and a host of other issues (all valid btw)

But we’re not discussing the Catholic Church, you’re not a politician, as far as I know, so no need to deflect away from the issue.


And that’s a half decent statement, but it doesn’t delve into the actual cultural aspects that men from the Pakistani heritage and the sub-continent in general, that allows these men to undertake these actions, with friends and family, be charged and imprisoned, and when released welcomed back into their communities, as if they have just done a misdemeanour.

That’s what I would want from an inquiry, as a starting point.

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36189119)
I think Ian Hislop sums up the situation here quite well when talking about Musk.
It’s not about Musk though, or at least it shouldn’t be.

1andrew1 12-01-2025 14:53
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I wonder how this will play out? It doesn't sound as open and shut a case as some but we need more info to judge.

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Tulip Siddiq could lose job if found she broke rules amid housing allegations, cabinet member suggests

Anti-corruption minister Tulip Siddiq could lose her job if the investigation into her properties finds she broke government rules, a cabinet member has suggested.

Science Secretary Peter Kyle was asked about Ms Siddiq on Sunday Morning with Trevor Phillips.

She has referred herself to the prime minister's independent adviser on ministers' interests, Sir Laurie Magnus, following reports she lived in properties in London linked to allies of her aunt, Sheikh Hasina, the deposed prime minister of Bangladesh.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world...7a969914&ei=10

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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36189068)
Well Starmer and Reeves have tanked the economy worse than Truss did.
Your three sources don't back up this bold allegation. They demonstrate that Reeves is worse on Truss than just one measure.

That's not tanking the economy worse than Truss did, by any stretch of the imagination!

I posted before the election that winning it for whichever party was going to be a poisoned chalice due to the state that public services were, the debt that we were in and the lack of growth. Nothing's changed on this front but it's a shame the government can't be honest with the electorate and explain that more money is needed due to Covid and under-funding and you will have to pay for it. That being said, a song and dance is being made about employers' NI contributions. I'm sympathetic on that to some extent, but I'm also aware that it's restoring employer NI rates to what they once were under the Conservatives.

papa smurf 12-01-2025 15:19
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36189189)
I wonder how this will play out? It doesn't sound as open and shut a case as some but we need more info to judge.


https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world...7a969914&ei=10

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Your three sources don't back up this bold allegation. They demonstrate that Reeves is worse on Truss than just one measure.

That's not tanking the economy worse than Truss did, by any stretch of the imagination!

I posted before the election that winning it for whichever party was going to be a poisoned chalice due to the state that public services were, the debt that we were in and the lack of growth. Nothing's changed on this front but it's a shame the government can't be honest with the electorate and explain that more money is needed due to Covid and under-funding and you will have to pay for it. That being said, a song and dance is being made about employers' NI contributions. I'm sympathetic on that to some extent, but I'm also aware that it's restoring employer NI rates to what they once were under the Conservatives.
Interesting new tactic, chuck tulip to the wolves while you defend Rachael from customer services

Pierre 12-01-2025 16:52
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36189189)
Your three sources don't back up this bold allegation. They demonstrate that Reeves is worse on Truss than just one measure.

That's not tanking the economy worse than Truss did, by any stretch of the imagination!
.
We’ll see what happens when she drives us into a recession.

1andrew1 12-01-2025 17:51
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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36189196)
We’ll see what happens when she drives us into a recession.
I think the sluggish economy we have will continue as is for the next couple of years unless Trump's policies cause another global financial crisis. I suspect this won’t happen.

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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36189191)
Interesting new tactic, chuck tulip to the wolves while you defend Rachael from customer services
I hate to disillusion you. But you're not posting to Starmer, just a random apolitical poster on a small UK online forum.

papa smurf 12-01-2025 18:00
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36189200)
I think the sluggish economy we have will continue as is for the next couple of years unless Trump's policies cause another global financial crisis. I suspect this won’t happen.

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I hate to disillusion you. But you're not posting to Starmer, just a random apolitical poster on a small UK online forum.
Could you define apolitical as it is defined on your planet

Pierre 12-01-2025 20:59
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36189200)
I think the sluggish economy we have will continue
It wasn’t sluggish in July ‘24.

1andrew1 12-01-2025 22:31
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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36189237)
It wasn’t sluggish in July ‘24.
Hmm, the stats don't agree with your statement.

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Monthly real gross domestic product (GDP) is estimated to have grown by 0.2% in August 2024, after showing no growth in July 2024 (unrevised from last publication).
https://www.ons.gov.uk/economy/gross...euk/august2024

papa smurf 13-01-2025 11:36
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Rachel Reeves 'very depressed' and 'can't see way out' of UK economy woes

The Chancellor is said to be feeling "very depressed" as she faces a gloomy economic outlook.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/polit...ves-uk-economy

Rachel Reeves is reportedly feeling "very depressed" and "can't see a way out" amid UK economic turmoil.

Increases in the Government's borrowing costs have sparked concern that the Chancellor will be unable to meet her fiscal rules.

A source told The Times: “She’s got choices to make and she knows they’re all s***.”

But shadow business secretary Andrew Griffith said: "Rachel is apparently feeling depressed.

"Imagine how pensioners, farmers, businesses, families - and in fact everyone whose money or job she has taken away - feel.

"Bad socialist choices coming home to roost."

Itshim 13-01-2025 12:07
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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36189247)
Rachel Reeves 'very depressed' and 'can't see way out' of UK economy woes

The Chancellor is said to be feeling "very depressed" as she faces a gloomy economic outlook.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/polit...ves-uk-economy

Rachel Reeves is reportedly feeling "very depressed" and "can't see a way out" amid UK economic turmoil.

Increases in the Government's borrowing costs have sparked concern that the Chancellor will be unable to meet her fiscal rules.

A source told The Times: “She’s got choices to make and she knows they’re all s***.”

But shadow business secretary Andrew Griffith said: "Rachel is apparently feeling depressed.

"Imagine how pensioners, farmers, businesses, families - and in fact everyone whose money or job she has taken away - feel.

"Bad socialist choices coming home to roost."
Why am I not surprised :shocked:

1andrew1 13-01-2025 12:54
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Originally Posted by Itshim (Post 36189251)
Why am I not surprised :shocked:
Because it's in the Daily Express who follow a defined political agenda untainted by accuracy?

ianch99 13-01-2025 16:54
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36189252)
Because it's in the Daily Express who follow a defined political agenda untainted by accuracy?
The Daily Express, Daily Mail, etc. must think their readers are stupid to believe the garbage they put out. Maybe they have a point. They do definitely rely on the inability to do any basic fact checking and research.

Paul 13-01-2025 18:11
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If shes "depressed" then maybe she should quit and let someone competant take over.

1andrew1 13-01-2025 19:39
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Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36189267)
If shes "depressed" then maybe she should quit and let someone competant take over.
'If' doing a lot of heavy lifting here. I'm no Reeves fan and would love to see her gone but where's the evidence of her depression?

Pierre 13-01-2025 19:43
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We’re only 6 months in to this dumpster fire of a government.

All the other parties and independents in Parliament need to call a motion of confidence on the Chancellor and the government’s fiscal policy.

They can’t tax their way out of this, they have to bin their entire fiscal plans and start again.

papa smurf 13-01-2025 20:03
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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36189281)
We’re only 6 months in to this dumpster fire of a government.

All the other parties and independents in Parliament need to call a motion of confidence on the Chancellor and the government’s fiscal policy.

They can’t tax their way out of this, they have to bin their entire fiscal plans and start again.
My guess is they want her to fail and bring down starmer with her

papa smurf 14-01-2025 13:48
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Reeves running off to China and ducking her responsibilities is now being referred to as the Peeking Duck in parliament.


https://www.express.co.uk/news/polit...-squirming-she

1andrew1 14-01-2025 15:37
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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36189326)
Reeves running off to China and ducking her responsibilities is now being referred to as the Peeking Duck in parliament.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/polit...-squirming-she
Objectively, it's a stretch to say that travelling to China to drum up trade was ducking her responsibilities.

Chris 14-01-2025 16:41
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I’m seriously tempted to change this thread’s title back to ‘Sir Keir’s Kerfuffle’.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/clyk2e7x42zo

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Treasury minister Tulip Siddiq has resigned after growing pressure over an anti-corruption investigation in Bangladesh.
The Labour MP for Hampstead and Highgate had referred herself to the PM's standards adviser, Sir Laurie Magnus, but insisted she has done nothing wrong.
Whether or not she actually is mired in any of this is besides the point. The tin-eared refusal to accept that someone whose brief includes anti corruption can’t stay in post while they remain implicated in a corruption scandal is jaw-dropping. She was always going to have to resign and all this inept government has achieved in not dealing with it the first opportunity is yet more unfavourable headlines.

1andrew1 14-01-2025 17:19
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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36189338)
I’m seriously tempted to change this thread’s title back to ‘Sir Keir’s Kerfuffle’.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/clyk2e7x42zo

Whether or not she actually is mired in any of this is besides the point. The tin-eared refusal to accept that someone whose brief includes anti corruption can’t stay in post while they remain implicated in a corruption scandal is jaw-dropping. She was always going to have to resign and all this inept government has achieved in not dealing with it the first opportunity is yet more unfavourable headlines.
They should have learnt from BoJo's government that having a big majority does not prevent you from being accountable. I know that some obsessed about Reeves' trade mission to China, but this was the real negative story.

papa smurf 14-01-2025 17:44
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36189341)
They should have learnt from BoJo's government that having a big majority does not prevent you from being accountable. I know that some obsessed about Reeves' trade mission to China, but this was the real negative story.
More like this is the story you want us to concentrate on, I'm still watching the Peeking Duck

1andrew1 14-01-2025 18:11
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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36189344)
More like this is the story you want us to concentrate on, I'm still watching the Peeking Duck
It's not up to me which stories, or more likely non-stories, you focus your time on.

papa smurf 14-01-2025 18:16
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36189347)
It's not up to me which stories, or more likely non-stories, you focus your time on.
Kwack kwack ;)

Pierre 14-01-2025 18:21
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36189332)
Objectively, it's a stretch to say that travelling to China to drum up trade was ducking her responsibilities.
What a job she did, £600M, the thick end of naff all.

China isn’t interested in buying our debt at knock down prices.

Sirius 14-01-2025 18:21
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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36189350)
Kwack kwack ;)
Starmer's house of cards is starting to wobble :dmonk:

Itshim 14-01-2025 18:53
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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36189351)
What a job she did, £600M, the thick end of naff all.

China isn’t interested in buying our debt at knock down prices.
China wants to get back in to supply uk tec . . Not sure what the difference it would make as Chinese made tec is every were. . They have the tools now, upset them to much and watch your car die :shocked:

nomadking 14-01-2025 19:09
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Any trade with China would've been planned and agreed long before then. Firms wouldn't plan and agree £600m of spending over such a short time.


To be fair, not sure there would've been much she could've done by staying here. Communications are a lot different from 1976 and Denis Healey. Easier to keep up to date and view documents etc.

thenry 14-01-2025 19:37
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UK visa restrictions are expected to be relaxed for foreign experts in Artificial Intelligence in a bid to ramp up the industry and boost economic growth.

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/poli...-b1204462.html
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Nearly 400,000 fewer people from abroad have applied for UK work or study visas since strict new immigration rules came into force, Home Office figures revealed on Thursday.

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/poli...-b1203938.html
Is the PM going to go backwards by way of allowing an open door policy "because of AI"? Or have they learnt from the past. Better said have they worked out something nobody else has :shocked:

nomadking 14-01-2025 20:25
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They're all so smug and blinkered that they are incapable of seeing potential negative consequences on anything they do.

Damien 14-01-2025 21:44
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They're obviously saying that expertise in AI will be one of the qualifications for a work visa.

1andrew1 14-01-2025 22:40
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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36189351)
What a job she did, £600M, the thick end of naff all.

China isn’t interested in buying our debt at knock down prices.
£600m for a couple of days' work is not to be sneezed at. Would you rather not have that investment? And with mobile phones and the Internet, she could stay in touch with her team.

nomadking 15-01-2025 06:27
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36189376)
£600m for a couple of days' work is not to be sneezed at. Would you rather not have that investment? And with mobile phones and the Internet, she could stay in touch with her team.
The investment was going to happen anyway. I did make the point that communications are easier nowadays.

Pierre 15-01-2025 08:10
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36189376)
Would you rather not have that investment?.
Don’t even know if that figure is accurate, or if it’s actually new deals or just spin.

£600M. Enough to fund the nhs for just over a week.

tweetiepooh 15-01-2025 09:51
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Too much self in too many levels. Those at the top are not serving us but more interested in themselves or their party/mates etc. (Not all but enough!) Too many at the bottom don't seem to be interested in working, especially in the areas we need people to work though this is also the fault of a benefit system where, for some, they are better of not working.
We need more people from the UK to be in teaching, nursing, farming, labouring etc.
We need to pay more for products like milk to keep farmers able to produce it and products produced from them.

1andrew1 15-01-2025 22:01
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Originally Posted by tweetiepooh (Post 36189386)
We need to pay more for products like milk to keep farmers able to produce it and products produced from them.
Trouble with that policy is it's not an electable one.

Russ 15-01-2025 22:15
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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36189383)
Don’t even know if that figure is accurate, or if it’s actually new deals or just spin.

£600M. Enough to fund the nhs for just over a week.
Chicken feed compared to the £350m a week the NHS has been getting for the 4 years since Brexit.

1andrew1 16-01-2025 09:00
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Some welcome news for the government. Let's help this uptick continues.

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UK economy grows for first time in three month

The UK economy grew for the first time in three months, driven in part by a boost in trade for pubs, restaurants and the construction industry.

Official figures showed an expansion of 0.1% after the economy shrank in each of the two previous months.

The return to growth will be a welcome sign for the government after recent turbulence in financial markets sent its borrowing costs to the highest level for several years and the value of the pound fell.

But the figure was lower than economists had expected, with declines in manufacturing and business rentals and leasing.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c8r5jkv5g5po

Damien 16-01-2025 09:08
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0.1% is not much different from the 0.1% drop before, especially when they can be revised upwards and downwards.

The economy is flatlining and has been for years.

At the moment we're a dying country that says 'No' to everything for the benefit of NIMBYS. We can't build a HS2 rail successfully, we can't build homes in case it upsets people who already have homes, and we don't want to be the EU and we also don't want foreign trade deals either in case we have to make concessions, we don't want to build nuclear power plants and so instead we want the government to pay for our energy bills rather than making them cheaper, we want more nurses and doctors but we don't want to pay them what they would get in other countries and so on.

1andrew1 16-01-2025 09:32
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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36189425)
0.1% is not much different from the 0.1% drop before, especially when they can be revised upwards and downwards.

The economy is flatlining and has been for years.

At the moment we're a dying country that says 'No' to everything for the benefit of NIMBYS. We can't build a HS2 rail successfully, we can't build homes in case it upsets people who already have homes, and we don't want to be the EU and we also don't want foreign trade deals either in case we have to make concessions, we don't want to build nuclear power plants and so instead we want the government to pay for our energy bills rather than making them cheaper, we want more nurses and doctors but we don't want to pay them what they would get in other countries and so on.
Pierre is predicting a recession, I'm predicting the economy will continue to be sluggish.

I agree with your post.. People need to understand there's trade-offs. Economic growth v development. Trade v sovereignty. Employment v development. Long-term infrastructure build v increased taxation.

People have wanted to believe you can have your cake and eat it from politicians. They still do.

Kursk 16-01-2025 09:50
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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36189425)
0.1% is not much different from the 0.1% drop before, especially when they can be revised upwards and downwards.

The economy is flatlining and has been for years.

At the moment we're a dying country that says 'No' to everything for the benefit of NIMBYS. We can't build a HS2 rail successfully, we can't build homes in case it upsets people who already have homes, and we don't want to be the EU and we also don't want foreign trade deals either in case we have to make concessions, we don't want to build nuclear power plants and so instead we want the government to pay for our energy bills rather than making them cheaper, we want more nurses and doctors but we don't want to pay them what they would get in other countries and so on.
You still live in the best Country in the World.

1andrew1 16-01-2025 10:39
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Originally Posted by Kursk (Post 36189428)
You still live in the best Country in the World.
We can be even better though. :)

tweetiepooh 16-01-2025 11:12
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Not all objections to development is pure nimbyism.
Do we need to keep building in the SE if there is spare housing elsewhere? Maybe relocate people and some industry to where there is spare resource? In the past people moved all around the world to find work, now they don't want to move to another part of the same country.
It is true we don't pay public servants enough and we have also taken away the perks that encouraged people to devote their lives to the job (e.g. great pensions, job security).
But we can't go back, only forward from where we are.

Pierre 16-01-2025 11:21
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36189423)
Some welcome news for the government. Let's help this uptick continues.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c8r5jkv5g5po
That’s not growth. -1 + 1 = 0

The economy has been flat for years.

Damien 16-01-2025 11:48
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Originally Posted by tweetiepooh (Post 36189432)
Not all objections to development is pure nimbyism.
Do we need to keep building in the SE if there is spare housing elsewhere? Maybe relocate people and some industry to where there is spare resource? In the past people moved all around the world to find work, now they don't want to move to another part of the same country.
It is true we don't pay public servants enough and we have also taken away the perks that encouraged people to devote their lives to the job (e.g. great pensions, job security).
But we can't go back, only forward from where we are.
People want to live where they want to live. They're not units of human resources that can be moved around for optimal distribution. They might want to live near where they grew up and near friends and family. We need to build homes where the people are.

We do need to be less dependent on London and the South-East generally though so people have the option to find work elsewhere and those who grow up in different parts of the country don't feel compelled to move south to have a career but we fail on this as well. We don't build the infrastructure. We haven't found the structure to encourage new businesses to start in different locations. Whatever we try to build will face decades of consultations and court challenges because someone's view of a field is disrupted or some bats might be disrupted.

Look at what has happened with the need for a new tunnel at the Dartford crossing. It's been needed for over a decade. It's just one consultation after another and Labour have just started - you guessed it - another consultation! All because some very politically savvy residents with too much time on their hands get themselves looking angry on the front page of a local paper objecting to it with a '#SaveOurGreenSpace' or whatever campaign.

The country is run by those who want to stop any further progress in case it threatens them however bad the consequences are for the future. It's one big retirement home with a G7 economy attached to it. It will remain so until we accept that there will be trade-offs to be made for growth.

1andrew1 16-01-2025 13:29
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Well-paid jobs are being centralised in London at the expense of the rest of the country. Other countries including France have them more spread out. You need an industrial strategy that tackles this and maybe do something drastic like moving Parliament to Birmingham or Manchester so London is not both the centre of government and commerce.

Pierre 16-01-2025 17:39
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36189437)
Well-paid jobs are being centralised in London at the expense of the rest of the country. Other countries including France have them more spread out. You need an industrial strategy that tackles this and maybe do something drastic like moving Parliament to Birmingham or Manchester so London is not both the centre of government and commerce.
There are well paid across the country.

Moving Parliament wouldn’t make any difference.

But you are right with Industrial strategy, we need good paying blue collar jobs, but the drive to net-zero, increase in employers N.I., the level of corporation tax, business rates and employee rights will prevent us from ever restarting an industrial base in this country.

BP have just announced job losses globally, and you can guarantee they’ll axe the most expensive ones right back………

Same goes for any global business with operations in the U.K., anything that can be moved elsewhere were Labour is cheaper…will be.

Paul 16-01-2025 19:09
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Originally Posted by tweetiepooh (Post 36189432)
Maybe relocate people and some industry to where there is spare resource?
You realise these are actual real people, not just pieces on a chess board.

Damien 17-01-2025 08:38
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https://news.sky.com/story/tories-wi...-says-13290398

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Kemi Badenoch has said the Conservatives will consider means-testing the pensions triple lock.

The Tory leader said her party would "look at means-testing" the system which guarantees that the state pension rises in line with average earnings, inflation or 2.5% - whichever is highest.

The Conservatives have long championed the triple lock - introduced by former chancellor George Osborne during the coalition government - but some senior Conservatives have recently hinted that it might not be sustainable in the long term.
They won't do it hence the 'look at' part of the statement but means-testing the state pension is an insane idea. It disincentives private pension saving which the last Government took steps to encourage. Why should someone sacrifice part of their monthly salary if that's counted against them regarding their state pension?

What they should do is look at removing the part of the triple-lock that links it to wage growth. That's unsustainable because it means the tax base to fund the pension is always growing slower than the state pension itself. It makes sense to link to inflation because you don't want to erode in value over time but the link to wages means that when inflation is slow the cost of pensions to the state will forever increase.

A sensible economy would have a generous enough state pension that means pensioners aren't destitute with a good chunk of them having additional income they built up over their working lives but the average earnings of workers should be higher than that state pension.

tweetiepooh 17-01-2025 09:39
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Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36189451)
You realise these are actual real people, not just pieces on a chess board.
Yes of course I know they are real people but they are people with a real need and if that need can be met by (some of them) moving surely that is part of the solution. I am not suggesting forcing people to move but, as I said before, in the past people moved around the world for a "better life". And if some skilled people move at take money into poorer areas so those areas develop that benefits the receiving area too. And if you do build cheaper properties how do you stop the owners then selling on at a nice profit because demand is high? More council owner properties? OK that houses some but can councils afford to increase their portfolios? How do people then get out of public housing onto the property level? If the public purse lets you live "comfortably" that is even more disincentive to work.


(Now I know there are people who really do need help but how do you help them and keep out the scroungers who won't work, who won't look after a property they are allocated, abuse neighbourhoods etc. And if an area doesn't have jobs at the lower end what are people who live in this housing going to do for work?)


A possible further advantage is that as more people moving in, services can increase too which makes the area more attractive, even for those who currently live there.


What happens at the moment is an imbalance. Houses are built where there is demand (high housing prices) but few of that property addresses the need in that area as demand keeps the prices high and the poor still can't afford the properties being built over the green fields that all can enjoy. Another imbalance is property in desirable areas being bought for investment, holiday homes etc which again pushes property prices up and creates another area where poorer people can no longer afford to live.

1andrew1 18-01-2025 08:54
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Some more good news for Starmer as the IMF raises its UK growth forecast to 1.6%.

With Trump talking about 10% tariffs on countries like us and higher for less friendly ones, I hope even this quite sluggish projection can be achieved.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cglyynp44g4o.amp

papa smurf 18-01-2025 09:03
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yes let's blame Trump instead of our Rachael :rolleyes:

Paul 18-01-2025 15:38
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36189531)
Some more good news for Starmer as the IMF raises its UK growth forecast to 1.6%.
https://www.cableforum.uk/board/show...5#post36189515 ;)

Itshim 18-01-2025 17:13
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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36189532)
yes let's blame Trump instead of our Rachael :rolleyes:
Seems that labours default position, is , it not our fault, "he" did it. Nothing we can do about it so just pay more tax , and think how lucky you are to have a airhead from accounts , looking after the monies.:mad:

ianch99 18-01-2025 17:58
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Originally Posted by Itshim (Post 36189541)
Seems that labours default position, is , it not our fault, "he" did it. Nothing we can do about it so just pay more tax , and think how lucky you are to have a airhead from accounts , looking after the monies.:mad:
To be honest, this is a pretty silly reply. Labour inherited an economy that was broken due to the Tories, Brexit, Covid, Putin, etc. If you think that Labour should not have increased the taxes they did, explain how the economy could be salvaged through different means.

The endless whinging without any constructive input has no value.

Pierre 18-01-2025 21:56
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Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36189543)
Labour inherited an economy that was broken due to the Tories,
No it wasn’t, it wasn’t brilliant, but it wasn’t broken. Labour and Reeves killed it stone dead by inventing this 22bilion black hole……that didn’t exist, talking down the economy and then announcing a budget to truly break the economy.


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Brexit, Covid, Putin, etc. If you think that Labour should not have increased the taxes they did, explain how the economy could be salvaged through different means.
By ending illegal immigration, immediately. Would be a start., then cancelling Net Zero, and ramping up oil and gas. Reducing energy prices.

Would immediately “salvage the economy”.

The endless whinging without any constructive input has no value.[/QUOTE]

1andrew1 19-01-2025 01:00
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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36189555)
No it wasn’t, it wasn’t brilliant, but it wasn’t broken. Labour and Reeves killed it stone dead by inventing this 22bilion black hole……that didn’t exist, talking down the economy and then announcing a budget to truly break the economy.

By ending illegal immigration, immediately. Would be a start., then cancelling Net Zero, and ramping up oil and gas. Reducing energy prices.

Would immediately “salvage the economy”.

The endless whinging without any constructive input has no value.
[/QUOTE]
The economy continues to be its usual sluggishness. You can continue to talk the country down by pretending the economy is dead but that would be incorrect, likewise pretending there was no spending black hole.

You can't carry on denying global warming and the heavy cost implications this is laying on the world through flooding, hurricanes etc. Best be a leader in new green technology and have energy sovereignty to boot.

Itshim 19-01-2025 11:49
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Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36189543)
To be honest, this is a pretty silly reply. Labour inherited an economy that was broken due to the Tories, Brexit, Covid, Putin, etc. If you think that Labour should not have increased the taxes they did, explain how the economy could be salvaged through different means.

The endless whinging without any constructive input has no value.
The need is for growth, how taxing businesses even more helps, that is beyond me. Start by stopping giving money away to other countries. Ie millions in aid to India . Stop offering any support to illegal immigrants.
Make any "self injury" pay for NHS treatment .Andrew Griffith, Shadow Secretary of State for Science and Technology and former FTSE 100 finance director said…

“Securing investment is not about canapes and cocktails. The government must walk the walk. Threats to hike up taxes on capital gains, giving workers the right to start a job in the morning and sue their employer at an employment tribunal the same afternoon and the Chancellor trying to fiddle the definition of debt are all flashing ‘sell signals’ on the UK. We need a government that understands real wealth creators; not one which taxes with one hand and doles out subsidies with the other.”

ianch99 19-01-2025 12:18
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Originally Posted by Itshim (Post 36189573)
The need is for growth, how taxing businesses even more helps, that is beyond me. Start by stopping giving money away to other countries. Ie millions in aid to India . Stop offering any support to illegal immigrants. Make any "self injury" pay for NHS treatment .
But these are just populist tag lines. The £38 million sent to India in 2023/2024 will not reduce the NHS waiting lists for example. In fact, none of these suggestions will.

What you are not addressing is where the real money is in this country. For example, the richest 50 families in the UK own more wealth than half of the UK's population. So if you want to "fix" the country, you have to redesign the system that currently ensures that more and more wealth goes to the few. The big problem is that, in the main, the mainstream media and now more & more social media is owned & controlled by the oligarchs whose mission is to tell you that they are not the issue and cause of your problems but the poor people in India are.

1andrew1 19-01-2025 13:59
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Itshim (Post 36189573)
The need is for growth, how taxing businesses even more helps, that is beyond me. Start by stopping giving money away to other countries. Ie millions in aid to India . Stop offering any support to illegal immigrants.
Make any "self injury" pay for NHS treatment .Andrew Griffith, Shadow Secretary of State for Science and Technology and former FTSE 100 finance director said…

“Securing investment is not about canapes and cocktails. The government must walk the walk. Threats to hike up taxes on capital gains, giving workers the right to start a job in the morning and sue their employer at an employment tribunal the same afternoon and the Chancellor trying to fiddle the definition of debt are all flashing ‘sell signals’ on the UK. We need a government that understands real wealth creators; not one which taxes with one hand and doles out subsidies with the other.”
If you genuinely prioritised economic growth above all else, you would be advocating we rejoined the EU to remove the rwd tape burdens that British businesses face when trying to trade with the European Single Market.

Taf 19-01-2025 14:02
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TheDaddy 19-01-2025 14:45
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Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36189574)
But these are just populist tag lines. The £38 million sent to India in 2023/2024 will not reduce the NHS waiting lists for example. In fact, none of these suggestions will.

What you are not addressing is where the real money is in this country. For example, the richest 50 families in the UK own more wealth than half of the UK's population. So if you want to "fix" the country, you have to redesign the system that currently ensures that more and more wealth goes to the few. The big problem is that, in the main, the mainstream media and now more & more social media is owned & controlled by the oligarchs whose mission is to tell you that they are not the issue and cause of your problems but the poor people in India are.
I await the answers to this with some interest, when did this happen, capitalism used to be about rewarding hard work and now it's *******ized into this thing were a few people at the top have literally everything and everyone else struggles to varying degrees and wasn't it Einstein who said there will come a time when the rich control the media and it will become impossible for ordinary people to make informed decisions I don't recall if he actually said it or it's attributed to him and suspect if he did he thought we were already there considering the power of newspapers in those days with Mccarthyism and the reds under the bed, wonder what he'd make of things these days :Yikes:

ianch99 19-01-2025 22:43
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36189564)
The economy continues to be its usual sluggishness. You can continue to talk the country down by pretending the economy is dead but that would be incorrect, likewise pretending there was no spending black hole.

You can't carry on denying global warming and the heavy cost implications this is laying on the world through flooding, hurricanes etc. Best be a leader in new green technology and have energy sovereignty to boot.
I agree, flat-earth (or MAGA) economics are not the answer. The phrase "Don't Look Up" might apply to those that subscribe to this delusion. :)

1andrew1 20-01-2025 11:10
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Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36189595)
I agree, flat-earth (or MAGA) economics are not the answer. The phrase "Don't Look Up" might apply to those that subscribe to this delusion. :)
Wasn't that long ago that Trump and other businesses signed a petition asking for measures to be taken to reduce greenhouse gas emissions. Floods and tornados are not great for real estate owners. However, the allure of fossil fuel dosh and power has proved too much.

Damien 20-01-2025 20:20
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After moaning about the Lower Thames Crossing being in 'consultation' for 15 or so years they might actually be doing it!

https://x.com/PronouncedAlva/status/1881412879527895110
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Govt is poised to:
- give public support to third runway at Heathrow
- sign off Gatwick and Luton expansions
- approve Lower Thames Crossing
- approve a Universal Studios theme park

thenry 20-01-2025 20:26
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What ever happened to Boris with regards to expansion of Gatwick. I remember receiving a flyer through the letterbox saying it was all being set up with those living closest to the airport getting some form of compensation, I think it might have been council tax.

Paul 21-01-2025 04:36
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A Universal Studios Theme Park ? Sounds Interesting ...

1andrew1 21-01-2025 07:39
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Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36189721)
A Universal Studios Theme Park ? Sounds Interesting ...
Yes. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Univ...United_Kingdom

Damien 21-01-2025 09:01
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It's been in the works for ages. From what I can tell the Government is going to use something called a 'Special Development Orders' to get it started. It seems to allow the government to just override the usual, protracted, planning application process and just grant it. Hopefully, the building will start quickly. They should do this more often!

Kursk 21-01-2025 12:02
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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36189727)
It's been in the works for ages. From what I can tell the Government is going to use something called a 'Special Development Orders' to get it started. It seems to allow the government to just override the usual, protracted, planning application process and just grant it. Hopefully, the building will start quickly. They should do this more often!
Sounds like an offshoot of the euphemism Special Military Operation.Planning processes protect the interests of everyone affected not just those who want something that suits them.

Damien 21-01-2025 12:38
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Originally Posted by Kursk (Post 36189732)
Sounds like an offshoot of the euphemism Special Military Operation.Planning processes protect the interests of everyone affected not just those who want something that suits them.
They also stop anything being built because there will always be motivated people seeking to stop infrastructure and development even when it holds back the economy for everyone else.

It's why HS2 has huge bills and is half-cancelled. We kept having to build tunnels to protect a field, or bats, or whatever else. It's why the Lower Thames Crossing has been delayed and delayed for a decade and it also would have held back the Theme Park.

1andrew1 21-01-2025 12:42
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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36189733)
They also stop anything being built because there will always be motivated people seeking to stop infrastructure and development even when it holds back the economy for everyone else.

It's why HS2 has huge bills and is half-cancelled. We kept having to build tunnels to protect a field, or bats, or whatever else. It's why the Lower Thames Crossing has been delayed and delayed for a decade and it also would have held back the Theme Park.
I love wildlife but Sunak's £100m bat tunnel was just batty!

And the way the Conservatives caved in on expensive tunnels into London was pure nimby politics which increased the country's debt unnecessarily.

Kursk 21-01-2025 14:00
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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36189733)
They also stop anything being built because there will always be motivated people seeking to stop infrastructure and development even when it holds back the economy for everyone else.

It's why HS2 has huge bills and is half-cancelled. We kept having to build tunnels to protect a field, or bats, or whatever else. It's why the Lower Thames Crossing has been delayed and delayed for a decade and it also would have held back the Theme Park.
Due process might have prevented the construction of that slippery slope in your back garden.

What will be your next out-of-character bully-boy tactic Damien (The Omens are not good :))

Damien 21-01-2025 14:15
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I am not sure what your point is there.

I am saying that our planning process is too burdensome and that has stopped infrastructure development for a long time now and adds a lot of costs when it doesn't. It can't continue like that if we want growth. This country isn't a museum, we need to develop further.

Kursk 21-01-2025 14:42
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Your use of terms like "we" and "everyone else" is interesting. I for one don't find the planning process burdensome; I think it's democratic.

This "museum" is a charming place to live imho.

You don't know what you've got 'til it's gone, as Joni Mitchell sang.

1andrew1 21-01-2025 16:08
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Originally Posted by Kursk (Post 36189739)
Your use of terms like "we" and "everyone else" is interesting. I for one don't find the planning process burdensome; I think it's democratic.

This "museum" is a charming place to live imho.

You don't know what you've got 'til it's gone, as Joni Mitchell sang.
It's charming but it has a number of issues including insufficient housing, low productivity, full capacity on the West Coast mainline and a growing concentration of the better-paid jobs being in London and the South East.

I assume by "we" Damien means "us as in the UK" as we voted in a pro-growth government.

Pierre 21-01-2025 16:30
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Originally Posted by Kursk (Post 36189739)
Your use of terms like "we" and "everyone else" is interesting. I for one don't find the planning process burdensome; I think it's democratic.

This "museum" is a charming place to live imho.

You don't know what you've got 'til it's gone, as Joni Mitchell sang.
It's great if you just want to talk and write reports but not actually do anything.

Kursk 21-01-2025 17:35
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36189741)
It's charming but it has a number of issues including insufficient housing, low productivity, full capacity on the West Coast mainline and a growing concentration of the better-paid jobs being in London and the South East.

I assume by "we" Damien means "us as in the UK" as we voted in a pro-growth government.
I bet you're a hoot at parties Andrew.:sleep:

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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36189742)
It's great if you just want to talk and write reports but not actually do anything.
Well, yes I suppose; it's like persistent contribution to forums eh?

Hugh 21-01-2025 17:42
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Originally Posted by Kursk (Post 36189747)
I bet you're a hoot at parties Andrew.:sleep:



Well, yes I suppose; it's like persistent contribution to forums eh?
Exactly like that - chuntering on ad infinitum, but not really adding any value to the world at large, or being beneficial/adding value to the wider society… ;)

Kursk 21-01-2025 17:47
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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36189749)
Exactly like that - chuntering on ad infinitum, but not really adding any value to the world at large, or being beneficial/adding value to the wider society… ;)
I do not accept that your nearly 43000 posts have been what you describe above :erm:

Paul 21-01-2025 17:58
Re: Starmer’s chronicles
 
Can we get back to the topic please.

1andrew1 21-01-2025 21:09
Re: Starmer’s chronicles
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36189445)
There are well paid across the country.

Moving Parliament wouldn’t make any difference.

But you are right with Industrial strategy, we need good paying blue collar jobs, but the drive to net-zero, increase in employers N.I., the level of corporation tax, business rates and employee rights will prevent us from ever restarting an industrial base in this country.

BP have just announced job losses globally, and you can guarantee they’ll axe the most expensive ones right back………

Same goes for any global business with operations in the U.K., anything that can be moved elsewhere were Labour is cheaper…will be.
There are some but the differences between London and the South East and the rest of the country are significant.
Quote:
The lack of cutting-edge jobs outside London and the Greater South East means just seven places in the rest of the UK have salaries above the national average – Leeds, Warrington, Derby, Swindon, Bristol, Aberdeen and Edinburgh.

Cities Outlook 2025 today (20 January 2025) shows the stark pay divides in the UK. Average annual salaries in the Greater South East are £12,800 higher – and in London nearly £20,000 higher – than in places with the lowest pay such as Burnley, Huddersfield and Middlesbrough.

This means that by August the average worker in London has earned what the average worker in Burnley will take a year to earn.
https://www.centreforcities.org/pres...l-pay-divides/


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