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How so?

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But they are not as you & I might define policies. They were populist soundbites designed to appeal to the people he needed to get/keep onboard. He could not articulate how he would implement them because firstly, he is not capable and secondly, they are not able to be implemented as announced.

Take the "Deport Illegal Migrants" for example. Is he going to gut the cheap labour force in agriculture, industry, etc. If he does, prices will rise as Trump voters would not do those jobs for that pay. Will he make US-born children of migrants illegal - he certainly has discussed this.

Take the "Tariffs" for example. These would lead to inflation as importers pass on the cost to the consumer. They would also harm the USA's erstwhile allies in Europe.

The list goes on. He basically pandered, as Populists do, to the base instincts of the voters: he preyed on their insecurities of money, race, religion, etc. His whole campaign was founded on cruelty & hate and USA will be poorer, in all senses, for it.

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What you and i define as policy is irrelvant to the discussion, they were Trumps policies and enough of the electorate thought they made sense and were worth voting for.

Which leadds me to two potential conclusions either 1. The American population en masse are a bunch of gibbering idtios (and i don't believe this to be the case) or 2. KH was that BAD she wasn't able to get her message across to the voters (more than likely the case)

She also didn't offer enough of a difference from Biden, who many Americans blame solely (rightly or wrongly) for the past four years. and how could she? when Biden was/is her boss?

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I absolutely do mind. However I don’t know why you’d expect the average person (voters) to ignore what they can see with their own eyes.

Similarly you brought nepotism into the Trump conversation earlier - I’m sure of course that Hunter Biden or Nancy Pelosi’s children haven’t benefitted in careers they are unsuited for because of who they are and parental connections.

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How he does them (or even if he does them) is irrelevant. Just as it is with everyone before him. He has a clear mandate from the ballot box to pursue them within constitutional constraints. If he doesn’t, it won’t affect his chances of re-election but it might impact his party.

That’s democracy in action for any second term President.

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Oops. Good point. :erm:

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You, as with others, prefer to focus on why they did not vote for Harris rather why they picked Trump as if it were a contest of two candidates both equal in terms of integrity, honesty and morals, etc. This is so far from reality that not addressing the elephant in the room is strange.

What he does is not a parochial American problem, it affects the well-being & security of the whole world. Just saying Trump won because Harris was bad is missing so much of the context & nuance.

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I'm now getting to the point where i think you need to wind your neck in a bit and stop making assumptions on what i'm choosing to focus on when you have the square root of bugger all idea.

I've tried to offer a candid and reasonable viewpoint and if you don't want to engage on that, then i'm not going to contune to try and reason.

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I think you're right on both counts. Where Trump works is presenting himself as the challenger. KH could never do this.

Ironically, the economy has charged ahead under Biden but people just did not get that feeling due to the Covid and Ukraine war-driven price rises. Hence, the need for someone from outside the Biden administration to be the Democrats' presidential candidate.

I'm sure that hindsight will state that they should have ditched Biden earlier, and had an open competition for the new President and Vice President.

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Do you honestly believe Trump voters did so in ignorance of his integrity, honesty and morals?

You’ve got a severe case of butthurt because you didn’t get your preferred outcome. It gives you no right to pontificate to forum members, nor require others who want to discuss why Harris lost to debate the hypothetical why she should have won.

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Folks … it would be great if we could all make a basic, good faith assumption that just because someone chooses to say one thing, does not mean they despise all the other things they didn’t address. Most of us know there’s no point posting more than a couple of paragraphs at a time, most of the time, and none of us are posting everything we think about everything, all the time.

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I am not being rude to you so I would request the same.

I am making no assumptions here, rather I am reading your posts where you do not discuss the reasons why people voted for Trump but you focus on the fact that they did not vote for Harris. The area that interests me is what *exactly* do they think they voted for and why they do not think it will backfire on them and their children.

Only by understanding this might we think how this could play out. If Trump really believes his plans have a popular mandate, however you might define this, he would forge ahead with little or no moderation. However, if he discovers, and I am not sure this would be done, that his extreme rhetoric was not the main reason he is the next President then we could hope that we would see a more rational and pragmatic administration.

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I don't usually read your posts and I am reminded why.

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Secure the border

Deport illegal migrants

Reduce tax

Reduce inflation

Introduce Tariffs on cheap imports that hurt US manufacturing.

Roll back on Climate targets and policies that hurt US consumers

End the war in Ukraine

End identity politics

Make America great again.....yyyaayy.

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I suspect the climate-change drive hurricanes and floods are hurting them more than any costs of transitioning to renewables.

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i think most Americans just want cheap food /gas/mortguages and that means

frack frack frack and drill drill drill ,i don't think fluffy clouds windmills and solar pannels will get a look in unless you reside in california and live in a VW camper van;)

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America isn't as great as it likes to think it is.It's become diminished because it would rather have a convicted con man in charge.

Not that the UK leaders are any more honest.

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And when the more frequent hurricanes and floods come who can they then blame ?

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It's usually God ;)

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Until AI tells them to clean their bums :LOL: Gods servant who's now the devil :nutter:

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And clearly get it wrong , but whats new :monkey:

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I am sure that thousands of Russians and Chinese would agree with you. Your trust in twelve people that havent the sense to avoid service, is touching. Do you also think santa claus will bring everything you asked for :confused:

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Quite. Because assuming people you disagree with are thick always ends well.

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Indeed, it Didn’t end well for the Dems.

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Believe it or not that was my point :D

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I certainly hope so. :D

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https://wapo.st/3YF9OD0

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So I guess it wont be long before Putin looks at knocking out Starlink then. :erm:

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With more than 6,000 sats in orbit …. That’s a tall ask.

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Elon will let the Russians use it too, for the right price...

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Already done: Russia using thousands of SpaceX Starlink terminals in Ukraine, WSJ says

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There's definately a bad smell coming from the Trumpers

Wow another attempt!!

http://wltreport.com/2024/11/08/brea...-large-alleged

They are probably gnnna keep trying!!

If they would get rid of most guns,this wouldnt be as easy to do!!!

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Hes not actually 'President' yet.

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All former Presidents are still addressed as “President”, and/or as Mr President.

Never understood it myself.

I dont either...... So Obama can still be called President Obama??

Ah man!!

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Ah my nerves were gone I'll be honest during election day. I had this horrible stomach churning feeling Kamala Harris would gain power over us all. But America has voted against it :D

Final results, Harris 226 - 312 Trump

https://news.sky.com/story/us-electi...-live-13209921

I do wish he had gained more votes but hey ho let's go Trump :woot:

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Quite :)

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Perhaps take a song from the Disney hit animated film Frozen as inspiration ?

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Or maybe from Al Gore's Oscar-winning documentary :)

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Knock it off

Get back on topic.

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Got a nasty feeling we were wrong to hope for the best, just based on his cabinet picks so far, who tbh seem to be there out of fealty rather than ability to do the job, certainly in Noam, Rubio, Habba and Homan casses, Homan incidentally authored Project 2025 that donnie doesn’t know anything about, one who does have ability is Susie Wiles but I'd be surprised if she lasts in that circus, she may even walk away herself, the thing the rest have in common is complete loyalty to donnie and the defence of him.

I see donnies vow to end the Ukraine war the day after winning the presidency, not after inauguration but simply winning it were hollow, vlad the insaner is denying even taking donnies call and has instead decided to make the state tv station to show nude images of the new first lady, how's that for a massive FU. Don't hold much hope for a cease fire I gaza and Lebanon either, not with Rubio and Huckerbee in post.

Been seeing a fair few examples of buyers remorse too, people who thought ACA and Obama care were different things, people who didn't know how tariffs work and immigrants worried it might be them or family members getting deported, its like brexit all over again only with far worse individual consequences. See Elmo is getting a fantastic return on investment too, mind you I've lost 6000 followers on twitter because of donnies win, so thanks elmo.

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Very objective.


Homan is very experienced and a former Director of US Immigration and Customs Enforcement.

Rubio is a very experienced senator

Habba, it’s only Press Secretary, I think he should have made up with Kayleigh McEnany, she was the best in his last administration.

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Personally, I wouldn't get too excited one way or the other with Trump's appointments. His previous appointments were never long lasting and I see no reason why his second term should be any different.

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I believe this term will be different, as he is appointing for personal loyalty over skillset for the posts…

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Silly me! Totally different from last time. My bad. :D

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I read Musk has been given a job.


I guess he will be after funding for Space X in the near future?

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He already has contracts with NASA

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indeed, he was quite naive in his first term, he won't make the same mistakes 2nd time around.

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The thing about politics is you need the right kind of nutters behind you,just look at our government.

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Don't do this to me, Pierre! :D

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The Russian have said the quiet bit out aloud. No surprises though ...

Putin Aide Issues Ominous Warning About Trump’s New “Obligations”

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Not until Hamas have been destroyed

https://youtu.be/qtY3yf4v9aw?si=TMlLK7_kBDRq8Nsv

I think that’s clear.

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There are a few decent people left in the US. Dick van Dyke is still alive!. Well done sir. Cor blimey Mary Poppins etc.... Don't blame him if he calls it a day now.
https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-e...-b2646460.html

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Make Diagnosis…….murder, Great again.

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Oh yeah it's clear, Huckerbee doesn't even recognise the West Bank as a place

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About as objective as naming someone accused of sex trafficking as attorney general and thus meaning a highly critical report by the house ethics committee about his drug taking and under age sex that was going to be released with in a week is now not going to be, drain the swamp he's hiring directly from the worst depths of it

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Looks like he may have found them:

Zelensky’s nuclear option: Ukraine ‘months away’ from bomb

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Zelensky is truly going for “rogue state” status with that threat. The Americans have toppled one democratically elected government in Ukraine and Zelensky’s term has expired. It shouldn’t be too hard for the CIA to inject a dose of ye olde freedom and democracy if required.

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You know you can keep repeating that as often as you like without it ever actually becoming true. ;)

… and it’s in no way unusual for a country under existential threat to suspend elections. Though I agree, Trump and his cabal are just as adept at parroting Putin’s talking points as you are, and might, suitably motivated, feel obliged to help put them in practice, against the will of the people of Ukraine.

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The UK also kept suspending elections during WW2. (or, for the pedantic, the European part of WW2)

When you're facing an existential threat then that is the entire focus of the country.

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These things can all be true at once. If the Trump administration decides he’s not legitimate, and he’s threatening to build a dirty bomb, that ends one way. :sniper:

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Lots of dead Russians ?

A couple of shovel fulls of chateux de chernobyl dumped over a city would spice it up

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True, but you’re making assumptions about Trump’s likely response in Ukraine that are untethered from the things Trump has already said. He wants to decouple himself from expensive international distractions that cost America money (leave aside whether that’s a sound analysis on his part for the moment).

I agree that a rational US administration modelled on almost any one of those that has held power since WW2 might well attempt to remove Zelensky rather than allow nuclear proliferation in the dead zone between Nato and Russia, but your problem is right there in the word ‘rational’. Trump isn’t a 4D chess player. He’s a narcissist. He does the next thing that has something in it for Trump. If he asks someone to plan an intervention against Ukraine’s interests he will be confronted with more follow-up questions than he could ever be bothered to think about, starting with the explicit support for Ukraine across Europe and the presence of more than one western power’s special forces in-country.

And if they did decide to go for it, let’s not even get started on the logistics - Russia has had operatives infiltrated across Ukrainian society who look and talk like Ukrainians and yet they haven’t managed to whack him in more than 2 years. I can’t see the Americans getting anywhere near him.

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As I’ve always said.

This only ends with a negotiated peace and I also think a demilitarised zone, well I say demilitarised but either that or a UN controlled zone.

Ukraine could never win, and could never reclaim pre-2014 borders, and talk of such was folly.

I don’t know what’s going to happen, but I think at least dialogue will be opened up for the first time…………take it from there.


If I recall, it was suggested Trump would say to Zelenskyy, talk to Russia or we will pull our support. And Trump would say to Putin, talk to Ukraine or we will arm Ukraine to the teeth.

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Those were indeed the lines he was going to say.

However, he has never said what would happen when Russia and Ukraine talk and then fail to agree.

Russia has declared that it has annexed parts of Ukraine that it does not control. Furthermore Ukraine currently controls Russian territory, if only a very small amount. Ukraine might offer to get out of Kursk in return for some of its own territory, but any territory it would want back is territory Russia has declared to be Russian. Even if they freeze the conflict on the current lines within Ukraine, that leaves territory that the Russian constitution says is Russian, inside Ukraine. All of this is a tough sell even for Mad Marge Simonyan.

Add to that, he hasn’t accounted for the fact that the Baltics and most of Eastern Europe has been utterly triggered by all of this and tends to believe Russia will eventually accept a ceasefire only to allow it to rearm. In that scenario, the Poles see Russia arriving at their eastern border some time in the next decade. Up with that, they will not put.

Trump talks a tough game but he genuinely isn’t very astute. He has spent his life slowly losing the vast fortune he inherited. He’s not a genius; he’s a con artist. He’s conned a fraction over half the American voters who liked his patter but he has a lot less control over what actually happens in Europe than he thinks he does.

PS predicting that a war ends with two sides talking is hardly a bold prediction - they almost always do. But the talking only ends the war when one side or the other believes it can get more (or lose less) by talking than it can by fighting. It is unclear that either side in this war thinks that way at this time.

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So RFK nominated by Trump as Health Secretary. What could possibly go wrong there.

Goodbye vaccines and food safety.

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Does Europe's unwavering support for Ukraine extend to both filling the void left in the event of the USA pulling the plug and supporting the development of a dirty bomb?

I'd contest that the presence of more than one set of special forces in Ukraine makes the task easier, not harder. Trump gives that order and Starmer falls one way only. He wouldn't be the only one. The only question is how to achieve plausible deniability. A poisoning would have a very Russian twist on his demise. A car bomb? A shooter? Could be rogue elements on either side.

I realise we are quite far down a hypothetical rabbit hole.

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Good bye to research into infectious diseases for eight years

and the worst thing is he's not even the most ridiculous pick donnie has made today/ yesterday

Tulsi Gabbard the girl Hillary Clinton called a Russian asset and has been accused of spreading Russian misinformation is now the director of national intelligence

Pete Hegseth tv presenter on fox news is the defense secretary

Donnie is well over 60 days from being sworn in and the shithousery is off the scale, if the object of these ludicrous appointments is to own the libs then well done you've succeeded, if however it is to make the lives of ordinary Americans better then I can't see it, unqualified people with no experience and horrifically compromised in some cases, plus I keep seeing donnies fans saying he's going to do a 3rd term of office but it's okay donnie has told them be won't, unless the find a way to allow it, mind boggling times.

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That reminds me of Oleksandr Zinchenko, the c tech Bart Simpson.

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I don't think they'll ban vaccines but if they do - or limit them massively - then they're about to get quite a rude awakening in how science doesn't care about your politics and online research.

Measles doesn't care what you've read on Twitter. It doesn't care about your healthy living habits, supplements or lack of fluoride. If they have fewer measles vaccinations they'll have more measles outbreaks and subsequent complications.

JFK Jr has said he isn't anti-vaccination but he was a big critic of the COVID vaccine and has said that vaccines cause autism . He seems to be one of these people whose distrust of authority has led to a distrust of scientific consensus and therefore pretty much any public health intervention made on scientific grounds. He is against fluoride in water for example, additives in food (not a bad thing necessary in that case) and even promotes raw milk. Pasteurisation is from the 1800s. It's fine. It's safe. Pasteurised milk is safer than raw milk even if raw milk is now a lot safer than it was then due to better hygiene standards.

I don't understand people who think natural means better. Natural milk, natural exposure to viruses for which we have vaccines, natural treatments for conditions that we have better medication for. Have they seen how life expectancy has changed from when medical science was less advanced?

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Vaccines = big pharma = big bucks = good economy =happy citizens

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Tulsi Gabbard, exDemocratic presidential candidate in 2020 and congresswoman for many years.

Served in the US military for many years, and received many decorations and did a tour in Iraq.

Undoubtedly a patriot and someone that has given their life to the service of their country

A decorated soldier that served in both Iraq and Afghanistan, was then a Director of a Veterans organisation.

Then joined Fox in 2014

Ex Military that's media savvy.

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Both these things may simultaneously be true.

Effective psy-ops convince patriots that their treachery is patriotic.

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I'm just here to counter the narrative.

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Isn't this a description of most MPs and of cause the prime minster and most of cabinet :D

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Most of Trump's 'cabinet' seem to be linked with money or sex crimes.

The US goes downmarket with populists, and we will undoubtedly follow.

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The narrative that nato won't share intelligence with the new national intelligence director and Matt gaetz now has direct access to the witness statements and personal details of the people he's accused of doing unspeakable things to

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1. Where does it say that.
2. They have no choice.
A. Trump and his team will already be receiving daily intelligence reports.
B. When he’s in office, you think NATO are going to ostracise his administration?

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They do right now, interesting you choose what narratives to counter...

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c0mzgv4x901o

Zelensky says war will 'end sooner' with Trump as president

Looks like he’s had his new orders from Langley and won’t be needing that dirty bomb any more.

Scholz speaking directly to Putin suggests he can read the room too.

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You know, we missed you during the US Election campaign, but I suppose those bot factories wouldn't run themselves... ;)

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You haven’t evidenced that.

And

I don’t know nor care too much about Gaetz, at the moment they’re allegations, if he’s guilty I hope he’s prosecuted.

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He is a right wing Christian. Make of that what you will.

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i dont make anything of it - how is it relevant ?

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He is about to become Attorney general so doubt it.

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It's quicker to point out where conflicts of interest in Trump's appointments don't exist, than where they do exist!

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Pierre said I don't know much about him. Answered that. I was not making the answer my view point of him. You don't make anything of anything, unless it's your point of view. :erm:

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Only time will reveal the sum total of Trump's aims..but he's managed to get quite a team to hide behind if or when shit happens.

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It never is Trump's fault. It's just the mainstream media who suffer from Trump Derangement Syndrome who feel the need to blame him for breaking the law, surrendering to Putin and employing his mates. ;)

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Depends …………what are you blaming him for?


TDS, is very real. In regards to his law breaking, absolutely prosecute him.

But he wasn’t prosecuted fairly, and that’s on record.

And the American people saw through it.

How, When and Where did he “surrender to Putin”?

A smart President installs loyal people he can trust……..what he didn’t do first time around. He’s correcting that mistake.

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The difference between people who run businesses and those that live off the taxpayer in various government roles.

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You should expect a job offer soon then. ;)

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Um, hardly "surrendering".
That article is also ancient.

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Came across this on another site :angel:

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...1&d=1731897769

:D

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Which is fake Boss

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And it will happen sooner rather then later.

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I dont care if its fake or otherwise, the point was it was amusing :rolleyes:

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Former Florida Congressman Matt Gaetz has withdrawn his name from consideration to become Attorney General after days of debate over whether to release a report on alleged misconduct.

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It's just too dodgy. Even if the accusations against him were not true that is - unless I've misunderstood the story - because the girls he had with him in the planes were 18 and not 18. Also, the 17-year-old alleged another sexual encounter with him and said for this one there was a witness.

Republicans in Congress have a limit even for Trump.

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https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...pardons-hunter

Not a surprise but indefensible nonetheless. The pardon system is a corrupt joke they need to get rid of.

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Biden proving sceptics of the Democrats correct.