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jfman 07-08-2024 14:16
Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 
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Originally Posted by spiderplant (Post 36180837)
Freer for what purpose?
:rofl:

vincerooney 08-08-2024 01:43
Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 
do we get la liga tv for free this month with premier sports? A few years back it was on virgin media but it doesn't seem to be present anymore

RichardCoulter 08-08-2024 02:04
Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 
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Originally Posted by spiderplant (Post 36180817)
"skip three minutes" also works


The Home button gets you there too.


You don't have any storage for actual recordings in the cloud. Only the data about your recordings is stored there. The recordings are on your boxes. But you have a bit more space for recordings than you did on V6 because the V6 also uses the hard drive for other things like the guide
Does this mean that if the internet goes down you can't play recordings on the STB because it doesn't have the data?

ozsat 08-08-2024 06:02
Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 
La Liga TV is it's own channel now only on the Premier Sports app. You have to subscribe directly to PS for that after the linear channel closed.

There is some live La Liga on Premier Sports 1 this month.

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Originally Posted by vincerooney (Post 36180900)
do we get la liga tv for free this month with premier sports? A few years back it was on virgin media but it doesn't seem to be present anymore

spiderplant 08-08-2024 10:00
Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 
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Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 36180903)
Does this mean that if the internet goes down you can't play recordings on the STB because it doesn't have the data?
Yes

nodrogd 08-08-2024 11:08
Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 
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Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 36180903)
Does this mean that if the internet goes down you can't play recordings on the STB because it doesn't have the data?
From what I've heard it's a bit hit & miss as to what is available to view. The headend server has the master list of what is at the recording location, & your recording list updates from that. If you have already started playing a recording on your box, stop it & then lose internet, it will in most cases pick up where you left off as it already knows the location of that recording. However, any recordings you have not started playing won't play as the box can't find the server & hence the location of the new recording.

Mr K 08-08-2024 12:39
Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 
So in the brave new world, if your interweb goes down, so does your TV and phone. That's progress I guess.

jfman 08-08-2024 22:13
Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 
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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36180930)
So in the brave new world, if your interweb goes down, so does your TV and phone. That's progress I guess.
Preparing everyone for the streaming future, I guess.

epsilon 09-08-2024 17:19
Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 
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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36180985)
Preparing everyone for the streaming future, I guess.
Indeed. We will all just have to get used to broadband going down meaning no access to TV...

cheekyangus 11-08-2024 22:51
Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 
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Originally Posted by epsilon (Post 36181061)
Indeed. We will all just have to get used to broadband going down meaning no access to TV...
And the way they do it isn’t an efficient use of the computer networks either. It’s daft they keep pushing something that uses bandwidth so badly.

The “old fashioned” ways are a least efficient. If you broadcast from a TV mast it can be received by as many people as you can possibly fit in the transmission area (theoretically), it could be a huge number of separate devices, and all from the one emission. Internet, particularly the most inefficient implementations, mean there will be one stream for every device from start point to end point. Having an emission for every user, particularly for long parts of the transmission chain, is daft and a huge waste of resources.

This is for live content I’m on about I should point out. There will obviously always be separate streams for the non-live on-demand stuff, as everyone will be watching something different and/or at different times.

epsilon 12-08-2024 09:14
Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 
What really annoys me is that Virgin adopted the Horizon Box with a few workarounds to make a box designed for a completely different market work in the UK. What hope is there of bringing some of the, much loved, features of the V6 to the TV360 if Virgin don't even bother to adapt the boxes to local storage. We don't have cloud recording in the UK, it would have been preferable to, at least, change the Horizon software to deal with that reality. Not to come up with a workaround to fool the boxes that the local recordings are actually in the cloud. It would mean storing a little more information on the box harddrive but, at least, recordings would be available when broadband isn't.
One size doesn't fit all. The UK has been given all of the disadvantages of cloud recording but without the advantages.

1andrew1 12-08-2024 09:36
Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 
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Originally Posted by epsilon (Post 36181254)
What really annoys me is that Virgin adopted the Horizon Box with a few workarounds to make a box designed for a completely different market work in the UK. What hope is there of bringing some of the, much loved, features of the V6 to the TV360 if Virgin don't even bother to adapt the boxes to local storage. We don't have cloud recording in the UK, it would have been preferable to, at least, change the Horizon software to deal with that reality. Not to come up with a workaround to fool the boxes that the local recordings are actually in the cloud. It would mean storing a little more information on the box harddrive but, at least, recordings would be available when broadband isn't.
One size doesn't fit all. The UK has been given all of the disadvantages of cloud recording but without the advantages.
VMO2 must be Liberty Global's largest market now it has sold its German operation, so hopefully the UK will have more say going forwards.

OLD BOY 12-08-2024 11:30
Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by epsilon (Post 36181254)
What really annoys me is that Virgin adopted the Horizon Box with a few workarounds to make a box designed for a completely different market work in the UK. What hope is there of bringing some of the, much loved, features of the V6 to the TV360 if Virgin don't even bother to adapt the boxes to local storage. We don't have cloud recording in the UK, it would have been preferable to, at least, change the Horizon software to deal with that reality. Not to come up with a workaround to fool the boxes that the local recordings are actually in the cloud. It would mean storing a little more information on the box harddrive but, at least, recordings would be available when broadband isn't.
One size doesn't fit all. The UK has been given all of the disadvantages of cloud recording but without the advantages.
But that isn’t the way things are going, epsilon. TV boxes in the future will not have a hard drive. The workaround you suggest would only be an interim solution for that reason.

Yes, it’s a shame we won’t be able to record in the future because it means your access to the programmes you have bookmarked are time limited. However, the future world will look a lot different in all sorts of ways in just about everything we do, and the pace of change will only increase.

jfman 12-08-2024 11:41
Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36181257)
But that isn’t the way things are going, epsilon. TV boxes in the future will not have a hard drive. The workaround you suggest would only be an interim solution for that reason.

Yes, it’s a shame we won’t be able to record in the future because it means your access to the programmes you have bookmarked are time limited. However, the future world will look a lot different in all sorts of ways in just about everything we do, and the pace of change will only increase.
“Life in the future will be sub-optimal, so we should make everything worse from this point just to acclimatise” is a hot take.

There’s no reason for Virgin to sabotage their products to below subscriber expectations to suit your agenda, OB. By your own flawed rationale Sky and Virgin should simply disable hard drive recording altogether, people should burn their old DVD recorders and VCRs in a bonfire of old technology.

epsilon 12-08-2024 18:14
Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36181257)
But that isn’t the way things are going, epsilon. TV boxes in the future will not have a hard drive. The workaround you suggest would only be an interim solution for that reason.

Yes, it’s a shame we won’t be able to record in the future because it means your access to the programmes you have bookmarked are time limited. However, the future world will look a lot different in all sorts of ways in just about everything we do, and the pace of change will only increase.
Apparently not, with many countries making recording easier with recordings in the cloud. In Germany, you can even subscribe to services such as YouTV which will record programmes in the cloud for you. It's only your dystopian dream of 2030 that completely eliminates linear TV and recording.

OLD BOY 12-08-2024 20:26
Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 
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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36181258)
“Life in the future will be sub-optimal, so we should make everything worse from this point just to acclimatise” is a hot take.

There’s no reason for Virgin to sabotage their products to below subscriber expectations to suit your agenda, OB. By your own flawed rationale Sky and Virgin should simply disable hard drive recording altogether, people should burn their old DVD recorders and VCRs in a bonfire of old technology.
It’s not flawed just because you can’t get your head around it, jfman.

Neither Virgin Stream nor Sky Stream have hard drives, and once we go IPTV only, as we will, that technology will no longer be in play. Do keep up.

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Originally Posted by epsilon (Post 36181267)
Apparently not, with many countries making recording easier with recordings in the cloud. In Germany, you can even subscribe to services such as YouTV which will record programmes in the cloud for you. It's only your dystopian dream of 2030 that completely eliminates linear TV and recording.
Recording in the cloud is simply bookmarking, which is different from recording as we do now. It’s basically highlighting programmes you want to see from an ‘on demand’ library.

For most people, there’s not much perceptible difference, but it is different in that those programmes you’ve bookmarked could be pulled at any time.

epsilon 12-08-2024 20:53
Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36181272)
Recording in the cloud is simply bookmarking, which is different from recording as we do now. It’s basically highlighting programmes you want to see from an ‘on demand’ library.

For most people, there’s not much perceptible difference, but it is different in that those programmes you’ve bookmarked could be pulled at any time.
No, it is actually recording to "the cloud", or a remote hard-drive. The recordings are as aired, complete with adverts. They may or may not be skippable, depending on the provider. They can't generally be pulled "at any time" but often have expiry dates. The expiry date is similar to bookmarks but programmes which aren't made available on demand can be recorded in the cloud.

jfman 12-08-2024 20:54
Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36181272)
It’s not flawed just because you can’t get your head around it, jfman.

Neither Virgin Stream nor Sky Stream have hard drives, and once we go IPTV only, as we will, that technology will no longer be in play. Do keep up.
And millions of people, worth billions in revenue, pay for something else. I know financial viability and consumer demand are alien concepts in your 2035 wet dreams.

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Recording in the cloud is simply bookmarking, which is different from recording as we do now. It’s basically highlighting programmes you want to see from an ‘on demand’ library.

For most people, there’s not much perceptible difference, but it is different in that those programmes you’ve bookmarked could be pulled at any time.
There’s a very perceptible difference when your internet goes down :rofl:

epsilon 12-08-2024 23:25
Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 
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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36181275)
There’s a very perceptible difference when your internet goes down :rofl:
After 2030 the internet will be delivered by magic unicorns and will never go down again, hadn't you heard? :p:

OLD BOY 13-08-2024 08:43
Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 
Sorry to hear some of you are having such trouble with your internet. Mine hasn’t gone down in a very long time. Nor have I experienced any power cuts for years.

Some of you seem to be of the view that the consumer actually has a choice in the matter when it is quite obvious that broadcasters are doing their best to encourage people in that direction. The BBC, ITV and Sky are all at it, as is Virgin Media.

Yes, jfman, it is all down to the money to be made, and while the TV channels are still able to make money now, there will come a point before long where most of those still choosing to watch scheduled TV rather than on demand will be viewers in the lower income bracket, who are of less interest to the advertisers.

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Originally Posted by epsilon (Post 36181274)
No, it is actually recording to "the cloud", or a remote hard-drive. The recordings are as aired, complete with adverts. They may or may not be skippable, depending on the provider. They can't generally be pulled "at any time" but often have expiry dates. The expiry date is similar to bookmarks but programmes which aren't made available on demand can be recorded in the cloud.
Yes, I get that, but my point was that the consumer will no longer have a hard drive on which to make their recordings.

I accept the technical difference you have explained in terms of how ‘recording to the cloud’ works, but consumers will not distinguish between that and bookmarking.

jfman 13-08-2024 11:15
Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36181288)
Sorry to hear some of you are having such trouble with your internet. Mine hasn’t gone down in a very long time. Nor have I experienced any power cuts for years.
As ever, OB you are viewing things through the prism of your own experience and not the market as a whole. The vast majority of people, the vast majority of the time, have no issues. It doesn’t mean they’d choose to have a hard drive recorder that doesn’t work during outages.

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Some of you seem to be of the view that the consumer actually has a choice in the matter when it is quite obvious that broadcasters are doing their best to encourage people in that direction. The BBC, ITV and Sky are all at it, as is Virgin Media.
Yet none of these service providers have any concrete plans to do as you suggest.

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Yes, jfman, it is all down to the money to be made, and while the TV channels are still able to make money now, there will come a point before long where most of those still choosing to watch scheduled TV rather than on demand will be viewers in the lower income bracket, who are of less interest to the advertisers.
Ah the “there will come a point” old chestnut. Where? When?

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Yes, I get that, but my point was that the consumer will no longer have a hard drive on which to make their recordings.

I accept the technical difference you have explained in terms of how ‘recording to the cloud’ works, but consumers will not distinguish between that and bookmarking.
You absolutely don’t get it, nor have any interest in “getting it”. Your very interest in this thread is merely to sidetrack it rather than discuss the substantive issue at hand - Virgin TV services in 2024. Not 2044.

OLD BOY 13-08-2024 13:19
Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 
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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36181296)
As ever, OB you are viewing things through the prism of your own experience and not the market as a whole. The vast majority of people, the vast majority of the time, have no issues. It doesn’t mean they’d choose to have a hard drive recorder that doesn’t work during outages.
No, you are twisting things again. Please read my posts more carefully before you reply. I never said anyone has a problem with their hard drive. Where did you get that from? We are not talking about what people want. We are talking about what will be available to them in the future.

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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36181296)

Yet none of these service providers have any concrete plans to do as you suggest.
All of them have these plans. Take your head out of the sand.


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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36181296)

Ah the “there will come a point” old chestnut. Where? When?
That will be a time of their choosing.


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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36181296)

You absolutely don’t get it, nor have any interest in “getting it”. Your very interest in this thread is merely to sidetrack it rather than discuss the substantive issue at hand - Virgin TV services in 2024. Not 2044.
Getting what? I understand completely. You are the one with a problem here, and by the way, my comment was entirely relevant to epsilon’s post. You are the one taking us on this endless picky cycle of yours.

jfman 13-08-2024 15:22
Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36181305)
No, you are twisting things again. Please read my posts more carefully before you reply. I never said anyone has a problem with their hard drive. Where did you get that from? We are not talking about what people want. We are talking about what will be available to them in the future.
I fail to see the value in a discussion that completely ignores both what consumers want and more importantly pay for in handsome numbers at present.

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All of them have these plans. Take your head out of the sand.
Source? By source I mean a substantive piece that has clear stated dates by employees of, or officers of, a company making clear strategic decisions around the distribution of their content longer term. Not a speculative blog.

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That will be a time of their choosing.
Rubbish. If it was so straightforward why not tomorrow? Because the marketplace would penalise such a narrow distribution of content.

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Getting what? I understand completely. You are the one with a problem here, and by the way, my comment was entirely relevant to epsilon’s post. You are the one taking us on this endless picky cycle of yours.
I’ll invite epsilon to be the judge.

epsilon 13-08-2024 16:11
Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 
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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36181312)
I’ll invite epsilon to be the judge.
He missed the point completely. Consumer recording isn't being stopped as such, other countries get cloud recording as an option.

The UK puts copyright owners rights ahead of consumer rights and providers haven't been able to reach an agreement for cloud recording. It's exactly the same as TuneIn etc being prevented from carrying private or overseas radio/audio services on their UK services.

Other countries tend to give more weight to consumer rights and still allow access to overseas stations.

OLD BOY 13-08-2024 16:36
Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by epsilon (Post 36181313)
He missed the point completely. Consumer recording isn't being stopped as such, other countries get cloud recording as an option.

The UK puts copyright owners rights ahead of consumer rights and providers haven't been able to reach an agreement for cloud recording. It's exactly the same as TuneIn etc being prevented from carrying private or overseas radio/audio services on their UK services.

Other countries tend to give more weight to consumer rights and still allow access to overseas stations.
Actually, I did address your point. Mine was that the hard drive will not be on the equipment of the consumer. So their experience of ‘recording to the cloud’ will not be much different from bookmarking when all is said and done.

epsilon 13-08-2024 16:46
Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36181317)
Actually, I did address your point. Mine was that the hard drive will not be on the equipment of the consumer. So their experience of ‘recording to the cloud’ will not be much different from bookmarking when all is said and done.
Except that bookmarks don't exist for quite a few programmes and "on demand" can be limited to, say, 30 days. Cloud recordings could be used to record anything and to keep recordings for more than 30 days. But, until the UK allows cloud recording, any differences and similarities to bookmarks are irrelevant. I expect we will continue to see hard drives provided in the absence of cloud recording, even if Virgin etc can't be bothered to change the firmware to allow their boxes to store the list of recordings on the actual device.

Paul 13-08-2024 18:36
Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 
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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36181296)
Yet none of these service providers have any concrete plans to do as you suggest.
Small point here, but you cannot possibly know what future plans they have.

Its clear Sky are looking at moving to streaming.
All their new products are streaming based, and have no HDs.

They no longer promote Sky Q, the last product to use a Dish and HD.
The new football delivery system is largely stream based, even on Q boxes.

By 2028, they will have to decide what to do about all their satellite products.
Their contract to use current Astra's expires, and the satellites themselves reach projected EOL in 2029.

jfman 13-08-2024 20:15
Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36181331)
Small point here, but you cannot possibly know what future plans they have.

Its clear Sky are looking at moving to streaming.
All their new products are streaming based, and have no HDs.

They no longer promote Sky Q, the last product to use a Dish and HD.
The new football delivery system is largely stream based, even on Q boxes.

By 2028, they will have to decide what to do about all their satellite products.
Their contract to use current Astra's expires, and the satellites themselves reach projected EOL in 2029.
I appreciate that things can, and do, change. However OB consistently presents this in absolute terms, for all broadcasters and across all platforms against his own preferred timeline of 2035.

The future of satellite broadcasting is uncertain in the long term but at the same time SES are starting to renew their fleet at 19.2E. Sky’s next steps will largely be guided by how many customers wouldn’t have the option to migrate to equivalent services over broadband, and the availability of satellite capacity - whether SES can squeeze more life out of those in place or whether they have alternate capacity that could be made available.

Satellite operators are continuing to invest in launches - although I appreciate that doesn’t necessarily mean they will for the UK.

OLD BOY 13-08-2024 23:38
Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36181336)
I appreciate that things can, and do, change. However OB consistently presents this in absolute terms, for all broadcasters and across all platforms against his own preferred timeline of 2035.

The future of satellite broadcasting is uncertain in the long term but at the same time SES are starting to renew their fleet at 19.2E. Sky’s next steps will largely be guided by how many customers wouldn’t have the option to migrate to equivalent services over broadband, and the availability of satellite capacity - whether SES can squeeze more life out of those in place or whether they have alternate capacity that could be made available.

Satellite operators are continuing to invest in launches - although I appreciate that doesn’t necessarily mean they will for the UK.
2035 comes out of what I said in 2015, which is what I believed would be different ‘in 20 years’ time’. You are the one twisting all this to make this ‘absolutist’. I really don’t care what happens, I’m just telling you what it looks like, but you are shutting your eyes to everything going on around you which doesn’t reflect your belief.

You do seem not to be capable of sensible debate and for that reason I’ll leave you to it for now. Just know that this is all playing out the way I thought it would. Only the exact end date for terrestrial and satellite broadcasting is not yet known.

vincerooney 14-08-2024 00:31
Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 
The year is 2035 and the whole streaming argument stuff continues to dominate the coming to virgin media thread...

Paul 14-08-2024 00:32
Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 
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Originally Posted by vincerooney (Post 36181344)
The year is 2035 and the whole streaming argument stuff continues to dominate the coming to virgin media thread...
I'm glad you think we'll still be here in 2035. ;)

jfman 14-08-2024 05:55
Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36181343)
2035 comes out of what I said in 2015, which is what I believed would be different ‘in 20 years’ time’. You are the one twisting all this to make this ‘absolutist’. I really don’t care what happens, I’m just telling you what it looks like, but you are shutting your eyes to everything going on around you which doesn’t reflect your belief.

You do seem not to be capable of sensible debate and for that reason I’ll leave you to it for now. Just know that this is all playing out the way I thought it would. Only the exact end date for terrestrial and satellite broadcasting is not yet known.
OB it comes from your very specific claim that all linear broadcasting* will have ceased by then.

*Linear broadcasting not clearly defined.

Far from having my eyes closed I log into my Peacock TV USA app and see a suite of linear channels, broadcast to a schedule, 24 hours a day in addition to on demand content.

Huxie 14-08-2024 07:39
Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 
Please, please, can you take it over to the correct thread:
https://www.cableforum.uk/board/show...php?t=33709854

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*All* pointless arguments about whether the future of TV is in linear broadcasting, video on-demand, a mixture of both, or something as-yet uninvented, should now take place here.

jfman 14-08-2024 08:18
Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 
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Originally Posted by Huxie (Post 36181348)
Please, please, can you take it over to the correct thread:
https://www.cableforum.uk/board/show...php?t=33709854
A very welcome proposition so those of us, today in 2024, with hard disk recorders can ponder whether TV360 is a step backwards from the V6. Which not being able to access recordings when the internet goes does because of arbitrary flags in the cloud it absolutely is.

epsilon 14-08-2024 08:31
Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36181343)
..but you are shutting your eyes to everything going on around you which doesn’t reflect your belief.
Well, you are the expert in that field!

Media Boy UK 14-08-2024 12:21
Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 
Premier Sports are set to launch 'Premier Sports Rugby' in November or December.

What will this new channel show?

*Premier Sports will show all 63 games from the Champions Cup
*the Challenge Cup will have two pool matches per round, two from the Round of 16, and all matches from the quarter-finals onwards - building on the 20 Challenge Cup matches it aired last season.
*all 151 URC fixtures
*over 100 TOP14 matches
*Non-live content for the channel is yet to be strategised

CEO Richard Sweeney, at the same briefing as Raynaud, revealed the channel is planned to launch in November or December - with EPCR competitions getting underway on 6/7/8 December.

https://www.broadcastnow.co.uk/broad...196219.article

vincerooney 14-08-2024 23:49
Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 
what do we think the chances are of premier sports remaining in the larger pack on VM? I'd say slim to none but they may be getting a slight boost in adverts...it would involve virgin media to reinvest some of the money they're saving from not having TNT Sports in the top package...which they'll probably just give to the shareholders

Media Boy UK 15-08-2024 01:47
Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 
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Originally Posted by vincerooney (Post 36181387)
what do we think the chances are of premier sports remaining in the larger pack on VM? I'd say slim to none but they may be getting a slight boost in adverts...it would involve virgin media to reinvest some of the money they're saving from not having TNT Sports in the top package...which they'll probably just give to the shareholders
Will it was Setanta Sports was first become free to the old XL package.

But due to Setanta going into administration 2009 Setanta can't use that name in the UK so it then owner Michael O'Rourke did launch a Sport channel in the UK called MSK Sports - now known as Premier Sports.

Virgin Media has make the following Sports channels free on it Family pack since 2007 until 2023:

2007 - Setanta Sports UK
2009 - ESPN UK
2013 - BT Sports

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Wiki says Premier Sports is now own by SSBL Limited and Amazon.

epsilon 15-08-2024 04:00
Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 
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Originally Posted by Media Boy UK (Post 36181388)
Wiki says Premier Sports is now own by SSBL Limited and Amazon.
The company formerly known as Setanta Sports Broadcasting Limited...

Media Boy UK 15-08-2024 17:16
Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 
Online Rumour:

Digital Spy is reporting that TNT Sports UK are set to bid for NFL's UK Media Rights.

Sky Sports current deal with NFL ends after this season in February 2025.

ozsat 15-08-2024 17:37
Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 
Sky have a few NFL games each week - the bigger NFL Game Pass is with DAZN.

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Originally Posted by Media Boy UK (Post 36181423)
Online Rumour:

Digital Spy is reporting that TNT Sports UK are set to bid for NFL's UK Media Rights.

Sky Sports current deal with NFL ends after this season in February 2025.

Mr K 15-08-2024 20:24
Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Media Boy UK (Post 36181423)
Online Rumour:

Digital Spy is reporting that TNT Sports UK are set to bid for NFL's UK Media Rights.

Sky Sports current deal with NFL ends after this season in February 2025.
Another crap 'sport'. Rugby for wimps who need a suit of armour plus make up.

RichardCoulter 15-08-2024 22:19
Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Media Boy UK (Post 36181357)
Premier Sports are set to launch 'Premier Sports Rugby' in November or December.

What will this new channel show?

*Premier Sports will show all 63 games from the Champions Cup
*the Challenge Cup will have two pool matches per round, two from the Round of 16, and all matches from the quarter-finals onwards - building on the 20 Challenge Cup matches it aired last season.
*all 151 URC fixtures
*over 100 TOP14 matches
*Non-live content for the channel is yet to be strategised

CEO Richard Sweeney, at the same briefing as Raynaud, revealed the channel is planned to launch in November or December - with EPCR competitions getting underway on 6/7/8 December.

https://www.broadcastnow.co.uk/broad...196219.article
No mention of it coming to Virgin though, though I imagine it will.

Media Boy UK 16-08-2024 02:25
Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 
I can confirmed that AEW All in London 2024 will be shown on ITV4 HD on August 29th from 9pm and will broadcast for FIVE Hours.

Source: V6 Box EPG.

alwaysabear 16-08-2024 10:38
Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36181439)
Another crap 'sport'. Rugby for wimps who need a suit of armour plus make up.
You obviously know nothing about the sport or you would not make such a statement!

Kevc69 16-08-2024 12:01
Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 
Perhaps he should visit one of the UK's American Football games in the summer to get educated. There are teams all over the country

Media Boy UK 16-08-2024 12:35
Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 
Next Week changes on Virgin Media UK:

Saturday:
*​Sky Cinema Greats HD rename as Sky Cinema Nicolas Cage HD

Monday:
*​Sky Cinema Nicolas Cage HD rename as Sky Cinema Greats HD

Wednesday:
*That's Memories rename as That's TV 3^

Friday:
*Sky Cinema Adventure HD renames as Sky Cinema Bank Holiday HD

^You did read that right Virgin will have That's TV and That's TV 3 from Wednesday BUT NOT That's TV 2.

epsilon 16-08-2024 13:11
Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Media Boy UK (Post 36181472)
^You did read that right Virgin will have That's TV and That's TV 3 from Wednesday BUT NOT That's TV 2.
Oh well, it probably won't be for very long considering how long it usually takes That's Media to rename their channels.

RichardCoulter 16-08-2024 13:56
Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 
Tiny Pop is to shortly return to Sky and Freeview.

Does anyone know if it will be returning to Virgin? I doubt it personally because it's short lived replacement (GREAT! Real) was not added to Virgin when Tiny Pop was removed about 6 months ago.

Frazz 16-08-2024 15:29
Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kevc69 (Post 36181465)
Perhaps he should visit one of the UK's American Football games in the summer to get educated. There are teams all over the country
I'll stick to watching rugby, American football and baseball(or rounders as it would be called here) are a cure for insomnia

Paul 16-08-2024 15:53
Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by alwaysabear (Post 36181463)
You obviously know nothing about the sport or you would not make such a statement!
Hes just trying to wind people up ;)

vincerooney 18-08-2024 21:32
Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 
what does "thats tv" actually air...? its name is ambiguous since i'm aware its tv

Mr K 18-08-2024 21:44
Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by vincerooney (Post 36181570)
what does "thats tv" actually air...? its name is ambiguous since i'm aware its tv
The epg is your friend. But here goes...

It's got politically incorrect stuff like 'Till Death do us part...' . Virtually half of it was 'beeped' out the other day, which made it hard to follow, complex plot that it was...

If that's not for you try 'Up Pompei', where Frankie Howerd pretends to be Roman, heterosexual and have some hair. Not sure which of those is more unbelievable.... ;)

It also has 'Steptoe and son', the best sitcom ever.

Media Boy UK 18-08-2024 23:09
Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 36181479)
Tiny Pop is to shortly return to Sky and Freeview.

Does anyone know if it will be returning to Virgin? I doubt it personally because it's short lived replacement (GREAT! Real) was not added to Virgin when Tiny Pop was removed about 6 months ago.
Ask around - No new channels are testing on Virgin right now.

But a label called Aaj Tak is being shown on the network with no video.

RichardCoulter 19-08-2024 01:14
Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Media Boy UK (Post 36181579)
Ask around - No new channels are testing on Virgin right now.

But a label called Aaj Tak is being shown on the network with no video.
Thanks.

Aaj Tak sounds like an Asian channel to me.

---------- Post added at 01:14 ---------- Previous post was at 01:01 ----------

Edit: It's an Indian news channel. If anybody is keen to watch it before it launches, I believe it's on YouTube.

epsilon 19-08-2024 12:52
Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 36181584)
Thanks.

Aaj Tak sounds like an Asian channel to me.

---------- Post added at 01:14 ---------- Previous post was at 01:01 ----------

Edit: It's an Indian news channel. If anybody is keen to watch it before it launches, I believe it's on YouTube.
The video / audio had been added but were removed but the service has been left in the SDT and the NIT of some of Virgin's private networks. Make of that what you will but the Hindi language news channel probably won't be appearing anytime soon. It's a little surprising that, sister channel, India Today wasn't added (in the background) with Aaj Tak but their excessive use of flashing graphics isn't really what most UK viewers will be used to.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IiBw2-BY_jg

SonicMaster 19-08-2024 18:18
Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Media Boy UK (Post 36181472)
Next Week changes on Virgin Media UK:

Saturday:
*​Sky Cinema Greats HD rename as Sky Cinema Nicolas Cage HD

Monday:
*​Sky Cinema Nicolas Cage HD rename as Sky Cinema Greats HD

Wednesday:
*That's Memories rename as That's TV 3^

Friday:
*Sky Cinema Adventure HD renames as Sky Cinema Bank Holiday HD

^You did read that right Virgin will have That's TV and That's TV 3 from Wednesday BUT NOT That's TV 2.
😂

I assume it still won't be moving from Music to Entertainment despite it's content changing months ago.

RichardCoulter 20-08-2024 02:38
Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by epsilon (Post 36181593)
The video / audio had been added but were removed but the service has been left in the SDT and the NIT of some of Virgin's private networks. Make of that what you will but the Hindi language news channel probably won't be appearing anytime soon. It's a little surprising that, sister channel, India Today wasn't added (in the background) with Aaj Tak but their excessive use of flashing graphics isn't really what most UK viewers will be used to.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IiBw2-BY_jg
Good heavens, it looks/sounds dreadful. Just tacky.

epsilon 20-08-2024 16:44
Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 36181620)
Good heavens, it looks/sounds dreadful. Just tacky.
Visual overload.

Paul 20-08-2024 18:33
Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 
Yeah, I had to stop viewing the link after about 2 minutes, just too much.

vincerooney 20-08-2024 23:09
Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 
Got an engineer booked tomorrow to do some "external work" and i dont need to be in for it. apparently the wire in my front garden is "too narrow" and i'm too far from the exchange etc.

Internet has been pretty decent all the time though. i'm on 1gig and currently getting 830mpbs on fast.com

will it get a lot better after the work tomorrow or is it just future proofing? How long should i expect the internet to be down etc as i'm working from home haha

Paul 20-08-2024 23:16
Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 
Probably future proofing, I doubt you'll get much better than 830.

spiderplant 21-08-2024 11:23
Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by vincerooney (Post 36181697)
How long should i expect the internet to be down etc as i'm working from home haha
I was just looking at a job like that which took 1h20. But the internet wouldn't have been down for all that time. And the time will vary depending on cable lengths, cabinet type etc

Kevc69 21-08-2024 15:59
Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 
Had another engineer out yesterday to try and diagnose the intermittent internet drop outs.
No identifiable faults found so he was going to ask the network team if they'd take a look at the problem.
At least I now have an alternative hi-speed provider available if they cant fix it rather than openreach whose speeds are laughable here. (not enough puff to run sky stream!)

Mr K 21-08-2024 19:09
Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 
Channel 5 is being renamed to:-
Spoiler: 

'5'

Took some branding consultants many years and millions of pounds to come up with that one.
https://metro.co.uk/2024/08/20/major...name-21453887/

Dingbat 21-08-2024 19:54
Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 
Probably used the same consultants as UKTV did with renaming channels to U&.

jfman 21-08-2024 20:03
Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 
Private sector efficiency.

epsilon 21-08-2024 22:50
Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36181728)
Channel 5 is being renamed to:-
Spoiler: 

'5'

Took some branding consultants many years and millions of pounds to come up with that one.
https://metro.co.uk/2024/08/20/major...name-21453887/
At least they didn't name it "Five" this time...

vincerooney 22-08-2024 00:04
Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by spiderplant (Post 36181709)
I was just looking at a job like that which took 1h20. But the internet wouldn't have been down for all that time. And the time will vary depending on cable lengths, cabinet type etc
well they turned up. they knocked on my door even though they said i didn't need to be in? I offered them a drink and whether they needed anything. they said they'd let me know when they were done.

they then looked at my front garden and the pavement in front of my house. got in their van after 20 mins and drove off never to return haha.

I did some digging online and got told this:

We've checked this for you today and the reason it was not done is because further construction work is needed. The team who went out today have put this;
Cannot do job as it requires surface works and the Tee is more to the neighbours side.

They have booked an all day visit in tomorrow for an audit, this is to scope what works need doing and then booked a preliminary date in for the works for the 10th September, though hopefully it can be done sooner. You'll be contacted if so by the relevant team.

No idea what any of this means mind!

RichardCoulter 22-08-2024 01:27
Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 
Just had a pop up notification to say that I can now change my V6 to the 360 via an app that's become available on the STB.

I suspect that this is the start of the major push to get people onto the 360 before it's pulled.

Edit: Has anyone found that retention deals are being linked to a condition that their V6 is converted to the 360?

Media Boy UK 22-08-2024 02:17
Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 36181750)
Just had a pop up notification to say that I can now change my V6 to the 360 via an app that's become available on the STB.

I suspect that this is the start of the major push to get people onto the 360 before it's pulled.

Edit: Has anyone found that retention deals are being linked to a condition that their V6 is converted to the 360?
That been on my V6 for about FOUR weeks now.

---------- Post added at 02:17 ---------- Previous post was at 02:15 ----------

I won't be moving to TV360 any time soon just to get some Sports via Sky Sports + app that I don't watch.

Hugh 22-08-2024 08:28
Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 36181750)
Just had a pop up notification to say that I can now change my V6 to the 360 via an app that's become available on the STB.

I suspect that this is the start of the major push to get people onto the 360 before it's pulled.

Edit: Has anyone found that retention deals are being linked to a condition that their V6 is converted to the 360?
Nope - just got one, and keeping the V6 (for the avoidance of doubt, swapping the box was never mentioned).

Mr K 22-08-2024 09:04
Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 36181750)
Just had a pop up notification to say that I can now change my V6 to the 360 via an app that's become available on the STB.

I suspect that this is the start of the major push to get people onto the 360 before it's pulled.

Edit: Has anyone found that retention deals are being linked to a condition that their V6 is converted to the 360?
Don't do it Richard, the VM forums are full of folks regretting switching. A lot of functions are missing on the 360, plus talking your remote control will get you locked up ;)

Can't see them forcing migrations, it would have to be voluntary as folks will lose their recordings. I recently recontracted and it wasn't mentioned. A lot still have the old Tivo and haven't upgraded a V6 yet, VM don't have a history of rolling new equipment out quickly. It will probably be new apps/ updates only on the new box, like Sky+, to try and sucker the punters to switch. The only app I use is iplayer, then I mostly use my smart TV for that as its quicker.

Hopefully VM have learnt a lesson from the 360 and do some consumer testing before their next box.

fox35 22-08-2024 11:18
Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36181762)
Don't do it Richard, the VM forums are full of folks regretting switching. A lot of functions are missing on the 360, plus talking your remote control will get you locked up ;)

Can't see them forcing migrations, it would have to be voluntary as folks will lose their recordings. I recently recontracted and it wasn't mentioned. A lot still have the old Tivo and haven't upgraded a V6 yet, VM don't have a history of rolling new equipment out quickly. It will probably be new apps/ updates only on the new box, like Sky+, to try and sucker the punters to switch. The only app I use is iplayer, then I mostly use my smart TV for that as its quicker.

Hopefully VM have learnt a lesson from the 360 and do some consumer testing before their next box.
I recently managed to recontract and switch my account back to V6 from the awful 360 at the same time, it took several days and different telephone advisors, but I persisted and it paid off. That 360 is a mess.

epsilon 22-08-2024 14:23
Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 36181750)
Just had a pop up notification to say that I can now change my V6 to the 360 via an app that's become available on the STB.

I suspect that this is the start of the major push to get people onto the 360 before it's pulled.

Edit: Has anyone found that retention deals are being linked to a condition that their V6 is converted to the 360?
Probably. If they can get enough people to choose to switch, the V6 user base will decrease. When the numbers are low enough, Virgin has the opportunity to say that they can't justify running the V6 service for such a small number of users.

nodrogd 22-08-2024 18:50
Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 
ATM there is no forced upgrade when you renew, unless you want to take options that are not available from the V6 like SkySports+, Paramount+ or Disney+.

TimeLord2018 22-08-2024 19:03
Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 
Apple TV+ isn't on V6 either, very much deliberate by Virgin.

Mr K 22-08-2024 19:58
Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 
Suspect the majority of punters aren't that interested in apps, and just view live TV or recordings. The V6 wins on this.

The 360 is a cost saving for them, as they don't have to pay the Tivo licence. The only thing they are 'upgrading', are their profits.

Paul 22-08-2024 20:09
Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36181795)
The only thing they are 'upgrading', are their profits.
Well that is one of the points of being a business. ;)

OLD BOY 22-08-2024 20:16
Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36181795)
Suspect the majority of punters aren't that interested in apps, and just view live TV or recordings. The V6 wins on this.

The 360 is a cost saving for them, as they don't have to pay the Tivo licence. The only thing they are 'upgrading', are their profits.
Except that you ignore the fact that old boxes cannot cope with newer technology very well, if at all.

We need to keep up, or be disappointed.

jfman 22-08-2024 20:21
Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36181800)
Except that you ignore the fact that old boxes cannot cope with newer technology very well, if at all.

We need to keep up, or be disappointed.
The V6 and the 360 are the same box. :confused:

If you mean a Stream that's a clear downgrade based on the functionality Mr K describes - notably recordings. Name a single function a Stream has that a V6 doesn't?

Mr K 22-08-2024 20:30
Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36181800)
Except that you ignore the fact that old boxes cannot cope with newer technology very well, if at all.

We need to keep up, or be disappointed.
Disappointed by what? Quality reliable recordings, not buffering streamed quantity OB. Tivo enables people to seek and record the tv they want. The 360 is a downgrade and lacking many of Tivo's functions. The word word 'upgrade', has always fooled many...

The V6 is capable of running these apps. VM choose not to, as they want the punters on the cheaper, inferior Horizon platform.

epsilon 22-08-2024 20:41
Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by TimeLord2018 (Post 36181792)
Apple TV+ isn't on V6 either, very much deliberate by Virgin.
But surely they realise that it is just encouraging customers to use their smart tvs for streaming apps. Or even to use one of the many devices specifically designed for apps, Roku, Fire TV Stick, Chromecast etc. Those customers will get a better understanding of how they don't have to put all their eggs in one basket and rely on Virgin to provide all of their entertainment.

OLD BOY 22-08-2024 20:41
Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36181804)
Disappointed by what? Quality reliable recordings, not buffering streamed quantity OB. Tivo enables people to seek and record the tv they want. The 360 is a downgrade and lacking many of Tivo's functions. The word word 'upgrade', has always fooled many...

The V6 is capable of running these apps. VM choose not to, as they want the punters on the cheaper, inferior Horizon platform.
All I can say to you is enjoy it while you can.

epsilon 22-08-2024 20:43
Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36181800)
Except that you ignore the fact that old boxes cannot cope with newer technology very well, if at all.

We need to keep up, or be disappointed.
You keep saying this about the V6, in full knowledge of the fact that it can be changed into a TV 360 box simply by changing the software.

OLD BOY 22-08-2024 20:43
Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by epsilon (Post 36181807)
But surely they realise that it is just encouraging customers to use their smart tvs for streaming apps. Or even to use one of the many devices specifically designed for apps, Roku, Fire TV Stick, Chromecast etc. Those customers will get a better understanding of how they don't have to put all their eggs in one basket and rely on Virgin to provide all of their entertainment.
No, because the advantage of using a Virgin box is that you can bookmark programmes on the various streamers as well as live TV (so called these days) while it remains.

epsilon 22-08-2024 20:46
Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36181808)
All I can say to you is enjoy it while you can.
Enjoy it until you realise that you might be better off with a Roku stick and Now TV if apps and streaming are your thing.

---------- Post added at 20:46 ---------- Previous post was at 20:44 ----------

Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36181811)
No, because the advantage of using a Virgin box is that you can bookmark programmes on the various streamers as well as live TV (so called these days) while it remains.
So learn how to use Just Watch and similar aggregating services.

OLD BOY 22-08-2024 20:48
Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by epsilon (Post 36181810)
You keep saying this about the V6, in full knowledge of the fact that it can be changed into a TV 360 box simply by changing the software.
Well, I know that because I have Horizon on the V6. However, I know that some people have had problems with that transition, and I don’t know whether the TiVo technology is causing the problem with some of the latest apps.

I am not discounting that this might be the result of a purely commercial consideration. Whatever the reason, I am talking about the impact on the consumer.

---------- Post added at 20:48 ---------- Previous post was at 20:47 ----------

Quote:
Originally Posted by epsilon (Post 36181812)
Enjoy it until you realise that you might be better off with a Roku stick and Now TV if apps and streaming are your thing.

---------- Post added at 20:46 ---------- Previous post was at 20:44 ----------


So learn how to use Just Watch and similar aggregating services.
What about watchlists?

RobboEdin 22-08-2024 20:51
Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36181804)
The V6 is capable of running these apps. VM choose not to, as they want the punters on the cheaper, inferior Horizon platform.
Unless you are an expert on the relative performance capabilities of the different operating systems, TiVo and Horizon, running on the (same) hardware, that statement is simply a guess to make your point.

It is quite possible that Horizon has the capacity to drive many more apps than TiVo because it’s not wasting a lot of capacity on TiVo-specific functions that Horizon doesn’t have.

epsilon 22-08-2024 20:58
Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36181814)
Well, I know that because I have Horizon on the V6. However, I know that some people have had problems with that transition, and I don’t know whether the TiVo technology is causing the problem with some of the latest apps.

I am not discounting that this might be the result of a purely commercial consideration. Whatever the reason, I am talking about the impact on the consumer.

The Tivo technology isn't causing the problems, the absence of the will to design apps to work in the Tivo environment probably is. With many apps written in HTML5 these days, there is very little work needed to adapt them to different environments. If I have an URL for a simple HTML5 app, I can pretty easily add it to my smart tv, even if it is designed for another environment.

That said, any firmware upgrade runs the risk of bricking the device.

Quote:
What about watchlists?
Just Watch etc have similar features. Relying on Virgin to provide aggregated watchlists isn't a particularly sensible thing to do. You are surrendering control of your entertainment to them. It's only a matter of time before other streamers refuse permission for this sort of aggregation, as we have already seen with Netflix.

vincerooney 23-08-2024 00:14
Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 
personally i love the tv360. apps are more zippy. recordings work just as well in my opinion as the v6. i can get into the next episode of a show on an app within a few seconds.

sky sports+ is great too.

even my mum is getting the hang of it and shes 73. it was quite a change for her to begin with but shes got the hang of it now

johnasimmons 23-08-2024 07:43
Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by vincerooney (Post 36181821)
personally i love the tv360. apps are more zippy. recordings work just as well in my opinion as the v6. i can get into the next episode of a show on an app within a few seconds.

sky sports+ is great too.

even my mum is getting the hang of it and shes 73. it was quite a change for her to begin with but shes got the hang of it now
I agree, I find the TV360 software much better. I know some people miss certain things with the TiVo but at the end of the day the 360 seems better for streaming apps, plus you get Sky Sports+

My Dad is 93 and finds it much easier to work!

OLD BOY 23-08-2024 09:08
Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by epsilon (Post 36181818)

Just Watch etc have similar features. Relying on Virgin to provide aggregated watchlists isn't a particularly sensible thing to do.You are surrendering control of your entertainment to them.It's only a matter of time before other streamers refuse permission for this sort of aggregation, as we have already seen with Netflix.
I don’t understand that comment. What are we surrendering to them?

The process I use to add anything to the Virgin watchlist is to select the programmes from the TV listings publication I subscribe to and then add those programmes from the channels and the streamers. The watchlist then provides me with a handy reminder of the content that I wish to view. So what am I surrendering?

You make an interesting point about Netflix, and I don’t know why they have introduced this policy. By not permitting a search to be done of the content I want to select, I can’t add it to my watchlist. This means I tend to watch more from the other streamers simply because Netflix content is not immediately visible. I don’t want to use a separate watchlist from each streamer that I use.

Seems to me they’ve shot themselves in the foot.

---------- Post added at 09:08 ---------- Previous post was at 09:04 ----------

Quote:
Originally Posted by johnasimmons (Post 36181834)
I agree, I find the TV360 software much better. I know some people miss certain things with the TiVo but at the end of the day the 360 seems better for streaming apps, plus you get Sky Sports+

My Dad is 93 and finds it much easier to work!
I agree. The menu is nice and uncluttered, so you can find everything very easily. I don’t miss the old TiVo, but I can see why some people like it.

epsilon 23-08-2024 14:51
Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36181841)
I don’t understand that comment. What are we surrendering to them?
You are committing to a Virgin contract to bookmark content from 3rd party providers over which they have no overall control (and cannot guarantee continuity).

If you are looking for an all streaming solution, using a streaming stick and throwing in a NOW contract will work out cheaper. That way, you won't be committing to a Virgin contract in the hope that services will continue in the way you expect.

They probably keep the existing systems and routines indefinitely, just as they won't keep Tivo based systems indefinitely.

Frazz 23-08-2024 15:26
Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36181795)
Suspect the majority of punters aren't that interested in apps, and just view live TV or recordings. The V6 wins on this.

The 360 is a cost saving for them, as they don't have to pay the Tivo licence. The only thing they are 'upgrading', are their profits.
The apps are on your TV or fire stick anyway

vincerooney 23-08-2024 16:14
Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Frazz (Post 36181857)
The apps are on your TV or fire stick anyway
If you’re going to rely on apps I endorse the Apple TV over the fire stick. Yes it’s more expensive (by far) but I got a nice pay over 5 months offer from Amazon prime and I’ve never looked back. So speedy and responsive

jfman 23-08-2024 16:21
Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by vincerooney (Post 36181858)
If you’re going to rely on apps I endorse the Apple TV over the fire stick. Yes it’s more expensive (by far) but I got a nice pay over 5 months offer from Amazon prime and I’ve never looked back. So speedy and responsive
Being a subscriber to multiple international streaming services I recommend the Chromecast 4K. Can add a VPN and sideload all the apps on. I upgraded to that from a Fire Stick.

The Apple TV - being a massive subscriber to streaming services so I also own one of those - is a superior product but it leaves you stuck in the sandbox.

OLD BOY 23-08-2024 18:57
Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by epsilon (Post 36181855)
You are committing to a Virgin contract to bookmark content from 3rd party providers over which they have no overall control (and cannot guarantee continuity).

If you are looking for an all streaming solution, using a streaming stick and throwing in a NOW contract will work out cheaper. That way, you won't be committing to a Virgin contract in the hope that services will continue in the way you expect.

They probably keep the existing systems and routines indefinitely, just as they won't keep Tivo based systems indefinitely.
No, not if you use Virgin Stream and choose not to pay for the Sky channels. You only pay for the box, not the channels. So effectively you can use Virgin Stream and the apps as well as the Freeview channels without incurring extra monthly costs, and you will have a watchlist.

The only fly in the ointment is if other streamers follow the Netflix decision not to permit its titles to be displayed on the watchlist, which is very short sighted, in my view.

---------- Post added at 18:52 ---------- Previous post was at 18:50 ----------

Quote:
Originally Posted by Frazz (Post 36181857)
The apps are on your TV or fire stick anyway
Not with a central watch list that includes the content of both the streamers and the existing TV channels, though.

---------- Post added at 18:57 ---------- Previous post was at 18:52 ----------

Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36181859)
Being a subscriber to multiple international streaming services I recommend the Chromecast 4K. Can add a VPN and sideload all the apps on. I upgraded to that from a Fire Stick.
The Chromecast 4K is being replaced by the Google TV Streamer in the near future.

epsilon 23-08-2024 19:07
Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36181870)
No, not if you use Virgin Stream and choose not to pay for the Sky channels. You only pay for the box, not the channels. So effectively you can use Virgin Stream and the apps as well as the Freeview channels without incurring extra monthly costs, and you will have a watchlist.


The only fly in the ointment is if other streamers follow the Netflix decision not to permit its titles to be displayed on the watchlist, which is very short sighted, in my view.
Not really the point though is it? I got used to sourcing apps from elsewhere as a V6 user and am used to, and happy, making other arrangements.

Tell me, what use are Virgin's bookmarks if you are watching something on, say, Discovery+ or MUBI, or one of the many other apps that aren't on TV360 & Stream? Sure, alternative arrangements have to be made by V6 users but it seems to me that TV360 users aren't that much better off.

Source the apps from elsewhere and don't rely on what Virgin decides you will need. Virgin only provides a small subset of what is available out there.

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36181870)
The Chromecast 4K is being replaced by the Google TV Streamer in the near future.
And your point? All devices are upgraded at some point, as you have already said.

The Google TV Streamer will be quite a lot more expensive, so it might be a good idea to buy the Chromecast and save some cash, while they are still available.

jfman 23-08-2024 19:38
Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 
I do hope planned obsolescence isn't part of the glorious streaming future.


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