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Hugh 30-05-2024 21:50
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/worl...ost_type=share

Verdict has been reached at 21:39 (our time)

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Justice Merchan is back. He says the jury have reached a verdict.

Stick with us.
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We may be waiting for 20 more minutes before we know the verdict.

Justice Merchan told us that jurors need some time to fill out the verdict sheet. On the sheet, each of the 34 counts are listed, and jurors will need to write whether they find Trump guilty or not guilty on each one.

Then, the jury will make their way back into the room and the foreperson will confirm the verdict to the judge.

Each member of the jury must also confirm that the verdict is correct.
https://i.giphy.com/8YmZ14DOpivXMuckSI.webp

Russ 30-05-2024 22:02
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The potential of Trump being jailed and the Tories booted out all within 6 weeks? I think 2024 is about to peak….

Dave42 30-05-2024 22:07
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Trump found Guilty on all 34 counts

Hugh 30-05-2024 22:09
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They’re still reading them out…

Now official

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Jury found Donald Trump guilty on all 34 counts of falsifying business records, a felony.

He faces up to 4 years in prison.

Dave42 30-05-2024 22:11
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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36176114)
They’re still reading them out…
sky news live all 34 counts guilty

Hugh 30-05-2024 22:14
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Originally Posted by Dave42 (Post 36176115)
sky news live all 34 counts guilty
Thanks

1andrew1 30-05-2024 22:17
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The path to conviction has been a long one and this verdict of felony is long overdue. I hope he does the honourable thing and withdraws as Republican Presidential candidate.

Also just heard Trump may be unable to vote for himself in elections as felons don't get the right to vote. :D

Chris 30-05-2024 22:28
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36176118)
The path to conviction has been a long one and this verdict of felony is long overdue. I hope he does the honourable thing and withdraws as Republican Presidential candidate.
Honourable. There’s your problem right there.

Hugh 30-05-2024 22:28
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Trump's team is requesting a date of mid-to-late July for sentencing because of a conflict with another court hearing in Florida.

Prosecutors do not object.

Sentencing will take place on 11 July at 10:00 local time (15:00 BST) and the court will order a probation report for Trump, Merchan says.
Sentencing hearing is four days before the Republican national convention starts…

Stephen 30-05-2024 22:32
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Trump's usual BS bingo outside court. Meltdown coming. Can't wait to see what he posts on untruth social later.

Hugh 30-05-2024 22:32
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36176118)
The path to conviction has been a long one and this verdict of felony is long overdue. I hope he does the honourable thing and withdraws as Republican Presidential candidate.

Also just heard Trump may be unable to vote for himself in elections as felons don't get the right to vote. :D
https://www.aclufl.org/sites/default...2022_final.pdf

Florida State law (where Trump resides)

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If you were convicted of a felony in another state:

you were convicted outside Florida, your voting rights are governed by the state where you were convicted. In many other states, you automatically regain your voting rights when released from prison or complete probation/ parole.
Under NY State law, convicted felons can still vote whilst on appeal, as long as they are not incarcerated.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/202...rk-rcna154286#

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In the New York case, “the only way he wouldn’t be able to vote is if he is in prison on Election Day,”

Paul 30-05-2024 23:34
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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36176114)
Jury found Donald Trump guilty on all 34 counts of falsifying business records, a felony.

He faces up to 4 years in prison.
The general opinion seems to be he'll get fined, but we can still hope. :)

Anonymouse 31-05-2024 01:27
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Incredible that he's a convicted felon and yet is still the Republican candidate. You can take citizens' rights too far.

What if he wins and goes to jail? Would he last even a minute inside prison? Hello, America, some of you are voting for a convicted criminal. Wake the hell UP!

Russ 31-05-2024 04:15
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Just to muddy the waters even more, even if jailed he’s still entitled to secret service protection for life so that would need to be taken in to consideration.

As much of a shame as this is, given his age and previous “good character”, actual jail time is looking more and more unlikely. Many political commentators are saying at worst he’s looking at community service.

tweetiepooh 31-05-2024 09:29
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Originally Posted by Anonymouse (Post 36176130)
Incredible that he's a convicted felon and yet is still the Republican candidate. You can take citizens' rights too far.

What if he wins and goes to jail? Would he last even a minute inside prison? Hello, America, some of you are voting for a convicted criminal. Wake the hell UP!

Yet you could argue that someone convicted in early life, reforms and shows that reform could do a good job in public office. Would depend on what they were convicted for and how it would affect their ability to govern and/or be unduly influenced.


Getting security clearance in the UK is often more about disclosing things so you can't be blackmailed for something secret rather being shown to have done those things.

1andrew1 31-05-2024 12:31
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Originally Posted by tweetiepooh (Post 36176141)
Yet you could argue that someone convicted in early life, reforms and shows that reform could do a good job in public office.
In the case of Trump, he's ben convicted late in life and shows no signs of reform or remorse.

Chris 31-05-2024 12:33
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Irony that in 2016 when Trump got all his disciples chanting about Crooked Hillary, it was Crooked Donald all along. Even as he was pointing the finger at her, he was doing the things that have made him the convict he is today.

TheDaddy 31-05-2024 13:07
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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36176155)
Irony that in 2016 when Trump got all his disciples chanting about Crooked Hillary, it was Crooked Donald all along. Even as he was pointing the finger at her, he was doing the things that have made him the convict he is today.
Everything they do is projection, crooked Hillary, donny gets convicted, sleepy Joe, donny can't stay awake at his trial, where's Nikki Haley's husband on the campaign, Melanoma didn't show up once in court for him and the deflecting will only get worse between now and November

Chris 31-05-2024 13:22
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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 36176159)
Everything they do is projection, crooked Hillary, donny gets convicted, sleepy Joe, donny can't stay awake at his trial, where's Nikki Haley's husband on the campaign, Melanoma didn't show up once in court for him and the deflecting will only get worse between now and November
On a related note, Putin’s spokesman has this morning accused the White House of “eliminating its political rivals by all possible legal and illegal means.” :rofl:

1andrew1 31-05-2024 13:58
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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36176155)
Irony that in 2016 when Trump got all his disciples chanting about Crooked Hillary, it was Crooked Donald all along. Even as he was pointing the finger at her, he was doing the things that have made him the convict he is today.
Agreed. Lock him up but I can't see that happening. Maybe a fine or ideally, some kind of community service like picking up rubbish. Although doubtless he'd try and turn it into a photo op!

Itshim 31-05-2024 17:26
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36176161)
Agreed. Lock him up but I can't see that happening. Maybe a fine or ideally, some kind of community service like picking up rubbish. Although doubtless he'd try and turn it into a photo op!
Would be interesting to have secret service personnel in jail with him .:dozey:

peanut 31-05-2024 17:45
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Originally Posted by Itshim (Post 36176172)
Would be interesting to have secret service personnel in jail with him .:dozey:
Won't be a need if he's put in isolation 24/7. Where he should be....

1701-e 31-05-2024 17:58
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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36176160)
On a related note, Putin’s spokesman has this morning accused the White House of “eliminating its political rivals by all possible legal and illegal means.” :rofl:
The ultimate irony

1andrew1 31-05-2024 21:10
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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36176160)
On a related note, Putin’s spokesman has this morning accused the White House of “eliminating its political rivals by all possible legal and illegal means.” :rofl:
They're frankly embarrassed by their own superiority in this area. #Awks

nomadking 31-05-2024 22:22
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Haven't been paying any attention to the case, but this is an article by a Democrat Law professor.
Link
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This prosecution was even worse because, though DA Bragg tried desperately to find a crime with which to charge Trump, he failed to find one, as did his predecessor Cyrus Vance.
So Bragg went a dangerous step further than Stalin ever did: he made up a crime.
He found a misdemeanor that was past the statute of limitations — making a false bookkeeping entry on a corporate form — and magically converted it to a felony that was within the limitation period by alleging that the false entry was intended to cover up another crime.
...
In fact, the prosecution didn't tell the court what Trump's other 'crimes' were until their closing arguments on Wednesday – by which point the defense had no opportunity to respond.
And even then, the supposed crimes outlined were vague.
In his closing instructions, Judge Juan Merchan exposed his already apparent bias once more – telling the jurors that they didn't actually have to agree on the specifics of Trump's unlawful behavior.
How would you like to be on the receiving end of such biased behaviour. Scary.

1andrew1 31-05-2024 22:37
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The Daily Mail doing what it does best - straw-clutching.

Hugh 31-05-2024 23:07
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The Daily Mail doing what it does best - straw-clutching.
I know…

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Why? Because this case was tried in Manhattan, where practically every man on the street wants to keep one Donald Trump out of the White House.
Can you imagine the audacity of undertaking a trial in the city where the crimes were committed? If only Trump’s defence attorneys had been involved in the jury selection, it could have all have been different!!!

What next? It means anyone who falsifies business records, sleeps with a porn star, lies about it, pays her off, covers up the payoff, then covers up the payoff in the middle of a presidential campaign, could be prosecuted…

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...6&d=1717193196

jfman 01-06-2024 08:02
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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36176183)
I know…



Can you imagine the audacity of undertaking a trial in the city where the crimes were committed? If only Trump’s defence attorneys had been involved in the jury selection, it could have all have been different!!!

What next? It means anyone who falsifies business records, sleeps with a porn star, lies about it, pays her off, covers up the payoff, then covers up the payoff in the middle of a presidential campaign , could be prosecuted…
In fairness, those bits aren’t crimes in and of themselves.

Hugh 01-06-2024 08:54
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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36176189)
In fairness, those bits aren’t crimes in and of themselves.
tbf, the covering up parts were - that involved false accounting, and the other acts were the precursors to the criminal acts, which is the relevancy…

From the charge sheet
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34 false entries were made in New York business records to conceal the initial covert $130,000 payment. Further, participants in the scheme took steps that mischaracterized, for tax purposes, the true nature of the reimbursements.

Damien 01-06-2024 09:36
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The funny thing about this is that he didn't do anything that illegal here. He just went about something that could have easily be done legally in the most illegal way he possibly could just because he is Trump.

It isn't illegal to pay off a porn star. It's not even illegal to do with campaign funds. It is illegal not to disclose that.

https://x.com/stanfordNYC/status/1796325261027536971

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The amazing thing here is that Trump didn't even do anything innately criminal. If he didn't have a corrupt mindset, he could have talked to *real* lawyers, who would have an advisor set up an LLC, wire it $130K of campaign funds for "legal matter" and then have that pay her.
The other thing is that he still could have gotten away with this if it was deemed a personal matter rather than a political one. But Trump didn't want to argue that in court because he didn't want to admit to the affair so his lawyers had to pretend it didn't happen which didn't work.

He has gone out of his way to make it so much worse for himself than it needed to be if he, at any point in this process, checked his ego and did the honest and pragmatic thing instead of lying and trying to pick fights.

jfman 01-06-2024 10:23
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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36176190)
tbf, the covering up parts were - that involved false accounting, and the other acts were the precursors to the criminal acts, which is the relevancy…

From the charge sheet
That’s why I said “in and of themselves” and excluded from my bit in bold the actual crime.

Trump won’t be the first, or last, American politician of questionable conduct paying off women (or men) right, left and centre. It’s quite right that he, and his supporters, question why he is seemingly held to a higher standard for overtly political reasons. This trial wouldn’t see the light of day if it wasn’t led by Democrats in an election year attacking the Republicans presumptive nominee.

Itshim 01-06-2024 13:07
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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36176192)
That’s why I said “in and of themselves” and excluded from my bit in bold the actual crime.

Trump won’t be the first, or last, American politician of questionable conduct paying off women (or men) right, left and centre. It’s quite right that he, and his supporters, question why he is seemingly held to a higher standard for overtly political reasons. This trial wouldn’t see the light of day if it wasn’t led by Democrats in an election year attacking the Republicans presumptive nominee.
Seems to be working in his favour, be careful what you wish for :rolleyes:

Hugh 01-06-2024 13:51
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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36176192)
That’s why I said “in and of themselves” and excluded from my bit in bold the actual crime.

Trump won’t be the first, or last, American politician of questionable conduct paying off women (or men) right, left and centre. It’s quite right that he, and his supporters, question why he is seemingly held to a higher standard for overtly political reasons. This trial wouldn’t see the light of day if it wasn’t led by Democrats in an election year attacking the Republicans presumptive nominee.
Keep on sharing Putin’s talking points like a good little vatnik…

jfman 01-06-2024 15:06
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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36176196)
Keep on sharing Putin’s talking points like a good little vatnik…
I’ve not heard anything from Putin on this matter - I’m not following it closely - but the obvious hypocrisy exists within an American political class that idolised the drunk Ted Kennedy who left a woman for dead.

Sure - it’s whataboutery. In a two horse race election “what about the other guy/team?” will naturally be pursued. The Democrats are absolutely terrified Trump makes it onto the ballot, and paying off a porn star (with his own money?) for having sex with her is unlikely to move the dial significantly.

Paul 01-06-2024 16:08
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Idolised ? It killed his chance of ever being president.
Still, good to know your view of America is based on an incident 55 years ago ...

jfman 01-06-2024 16:25
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Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36176199)
Idolised ? It killed his chance of ever being president.
Still, good to know your view of America is based on an incident 55 years ago ...
It didn’t stop him giving it his best shot in 1980, nor continuing to run for Senate. My views of America stem from more than one single incident and I generally have contempt for their politicians on both sides.

No skin off my nose if the Don goes to jail, I’m only offering my opinion on how I see this part of the “stop him at all costs because Biden is useless” escapade playing out.

Holding Trump to higher standards because he’s Donald Trump will only end badly at the ballot box. I suspect they know this, and we will see ever increasingly desperate measures to keep him off.

Itshim 01-06-2024 16:59
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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36176201)
It didn’t stop him giving it his best shot in 1980, nor continuing to run for Senate. My views of America stem from more than one single incident and I generally have contempt for their politicians on both sides.

No skin off my nose if the Don goes to jail, I’m only offering my opinion on how I see this part of the “stop him at all costs because Biden is useless” escapade playing out.

Holding Trump to higher standards because he’s Donald Trump will only end badly at the ballot box. I suspect they know this, and we will see ever increasingly desperate measures to keep him off.
The only hope is Biden falling by the wayside. The only democratic that Trump could beat:shocked:

Mr K 01-06-2024 18:27
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The guy radiates evil, in the same way Putin does. Why evangelicals love him is a mystery.
Lock him up and make the world a safer place.

Stephen 01-06-2024 19:13
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At least Trump has finally won a popular vote:D

Hom3r 01-06-2024 20:27
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I read somewhere that if jailed there could be riots.

Dude111 01-06-2024 21:52
He says the trial is Rigged..... Does anyone think it will be appealed??

Stephen 01-06-2024 22:07
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They will attempt an appeal but no chance it's going to go anywhere.

Hugh 02-06-2024 08:09
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I’ve not heard anything from Putin on this matter - I’m not following it closely - but the obvious hypocrisy exists within an American political class that idolised the drunk Ted Kennedy who left a woman for dead.

Sure - it’s whataboutery. In a two horse race election “what about the other guy/team?” will naturally be pursued. The Democrats are absolutely terrified Trump makes it onto the ballot, and paying off a porn star (with his own money?) for having sex with her is unlikely to move the dial significantly.
https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...9&d=1717312146

Got to love a good Freudian Slip… :D

Hugh 02-06-2024 08:43
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I read somewhere that if jailed there could be riots.
Yes, probably - by the Gravy Seals, and Meal Team Six… :LOL:

https://i.imgur.com/7sSb51H.jpg

https://img-9gag-fun.9cache.com/phot...re_700bwp.webp

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...0&d=1717314163

Itshim 02-06-2024 16:38
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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36176230)
Yes, probably - by the Gravy Seals, and Meal Team Six… :LOL:

https://i.imgur.com/7sSb51H.jpg

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https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...0&d=1717314163
Doesn't mean they couldn't kill someone :shocked:

Hugh 02-06-2024 18:23
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Originally Posted by Itshim (Post 36176240)
Doesn't mean they couldn't kill someone :shocked:
Probably by either falling on them, or eating them… ;)

Paul 02-06-2024 18:24
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or maybe the deadly weapons (guns) they all have ....

TheDaddy 02-06-2024 18:32
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Originally Posted by Itshim (Post 36176240)
Doesn't mean they couldn't kill someone :shocked:
They'll kill a buffet or maybe they'll just repeatedly taser themselves in the nuts till they have a heart attack like that guy on Jan 6th.

Hugh 02-06-2024 18:53
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Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36176245)
or maybe the deadly weapons (guns) they all have ....
If it’s the US Army versus Y’all Qaeda and the Yee-Hawdists, my money’s on the ones who actually do it for a living…

Itshim 02-06-2024 19:11
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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36176248)
If it’s the US Army versus Y’all Qaeda and the Yee-Hawdists, my money’s on the ones who actually do it for a living…
However they wouldn't be brought in till a number have been killed, if then .more likely nation guard

Hugh 02-06-2024 19:19
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Originally Posted by Itshim (Post 36176249)
However they wouldn't be brought in till a number have been killed, if then .more likely nation guard
Well, it would be unsporting to shoot them before they had committed insurrection, wouldn’t it?

Anyhoo, that could be a dilemma, as the NG can be called up by the State Governor or the President, as I’m pretty sure Governors like Sanders or Noem would probably try to use the NG in support of Y’all Qaeda…

Chris 02-06-2024 20:13
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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36176250)
Well, it would be unsporting to shoot them before they had committed insurrection, wouldn’t it?

Anyhoo, that could be a dilemma, as the NG can be called up by the State Governor or the President, as I’m pretty sure Governors like Sanders or Noem would probably try to use the NG in support of Y’all Qaeda…
The regular army can’t be deployed within the US unless it is an insurrection, although as we’ve now seen thanks to the insurrectionists of 6 Jan 2021, an insurrection doesn’t necessarily require mass shootings before it becomes an insurrection.

In practice though it is more likely to be the national guard that’s called up. A state governor can do that, or the president can go over a governor’s head and ‘federalise’ the guard and deploy them directly.

jfman 02-06-2024 20:40
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I’m inclined to lean towards the hypothetical situation being incredibly dangerous, despite their BMIs being likely higher than their IQs.

Hugh 02-06-2024 20:56
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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36176256)
The regular army can’t be deployed within the US unless it is an insurrection, although as we’ve now seen thanks to the insurrectionists of 6 Jan 2021, an insurrection doesn’t necessarily require mass shootings before it becomes an insurrection.

In practice though it is more likely to be the national guard that’s called up. A state governor can do that, or the president can go over a governor’s head and ‘federalise’ the guard and deploy them directly.
I think we’re in agreement on those points - the challenge arises if Noem, Saunders, etc. decide to deploy the NG in support of any insurrectionists..

Hugh 02-06-2024 23:27
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https://wapo.st/4bO2FFW

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Trump falsely claims he never called for Hillary Clinton to be locked up

“Lock her up” is perhaps one of the most popular chants among Trump supporters, and he agreed with it or explicitly called for her jailing on several occasions.

Former president Donald Trump, who now awaits sentencing after being convicted on Thursday on 34 charges in his hush money trial, told Fox News that he never called for his 2016 presidential campaign rival, Hillary Clinton, to be sent to jail.

During an interview, portions of which aired Sunday on “Fox & Friends Weekend,” Trump was asked about a call often heard at his campaign rallies: “Lock her up.”

The chant is perhaps one of the most popular among Trump supporters, and it refers to demands by his voters to imprison Clinton over her use of a private email server while secretary of state.

“You famously said, regarding Hillary Clinton, ‘Lock her up.’ You declined to do that as president,” Fox co-host Will Cain told Trump.

“I beat her,” Trump replied. “It’s easier when you win. And they always said lock her up, and I felt — and I could have done it, but I felt it would have been a terrible thing. And then this happened to me.”

Trump then asserted that he never called for Clinton’s jailing

“I didn’t say ‘lock her up,’ but the people said lock her up, lock her up,” Trump said. “Then, we won. And I say — and I said pretty openly, I said, all right, come on, just relax, let’s go, we’ve got to make our country great.”

However, there are several instances in which Trump called explicitly for Clinton’s jailing and others in which he agreed with his supporters’ chants.

In July 2016, for example, Trump said he would not be “Mr. Nice Guy” when it came to Clinton, during a Colorado rally where the crowd was calling for Clinton to be locked up.

“Every time I mention her, everyone screams, ‘Lock her up, lock her up,’” Trump told the crowd. “You know what, I’m starting to agree with you.”

On Twitter, now known as X, Trump posted that October: “Hillary Clinton should have been prosecuted and should be in jail. Instead she is running for president in what looks like a rigged election.”

Hom3r 02-06-2024 23:32
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Popcorn and a proper whisky on stand-by for the 11th

1andrew1 02-06-2024 23:40
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Originally Posted by Hom3r (Post 36176278)
Popcorn and a proper whisky on stand-by for the 11th
Is that 11th July and the day he will be sentenced?

Paul 03-06-2024 00:34
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He seems to like using "Rigged" a lot. :rolleyes:

Itshim 03-06-2024 19:42
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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36176258)
I’m inclined to lean towards the hypothetical situation being incredibly dangerous, despite their BMIs being likely higher than their IQs.
Seems its OK to disrespect large people, so why not coloured, lumberjacks or people that have mental problems :shocked:

Hugh 03-06-2024 20:08
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We’re all coloured, just different shades…

1andrew1 03-06-2024 20:21
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Originally Posted by Itshim (Post 36176347)
Seems its OK to disrespect large people, so why not coloured, lumberjacks or people that have mental problems :shocked:
Who's to say vastly overweight individuals in camouflage gear and arms don't have mental health issues?

Hugh 03-06-2024 21:12
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Who's to say vastly overweight individuals in camouflage gear and arms don't have mental health issues?
Indeed*…

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...4&d=1717445489

*created by a Trumper…

jfman 03-06-2024 21:14
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36176351)
Who's to say vastly overweight individuals in camouflage gear and arms don't have mental health issues?
I’m convinced they probably do. Mental health issues and a little erectile dysfunction would be my bet.

Dude111 04-06-2024 04:38
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Originally Posted by Paul
He seems to like using "Rigged" a lot. :rolleyes:
Yup anmd he thinks this was.....

Hugh 04-06-2024 07:17
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Originally Posted by Dude111 (Post 36176372)
Yup anmd he thinks this was.....
He thinks anything that doesn’t go the way he thinks it should is "rigged", "crooked", or "fixed" - even after multiple investigations prove otherwise…

Stephen 04-06-2024 09:45
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Also, he seems to love repeating everything and shouting it, because his brainwashed followers lap it up and they believe it.

1andrew1 04-06-2024 10:37
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Originally Posted by Stephen (Post 36176388)
Also, he seems to love repeating everything and shouting it, because his brainwashed followers lap it up and they believe it.
Hi followers don't seem to be frequenting this thread, now the wind's blowing against him.

Itshim 04-06-2024 17:14
Re: Trump’s Troubles
 
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36176351)
Who's to say vastly overweight individuals in camouflage gear and arms don't have mental health issues?
Very true so why not call them out as such :angel:

1andrew1 04-06-2024 17:24
Re: Trump’s Troubles
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Itshim (Post 36176409)
Very true so why not call them out as such :angel:
Go for it!

pip08456 04-06-2024 19:34
Re: Trump’s Troubles
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36176390)
Hi followers don't seem to be frequenting this thread, now the wind's blowing against him.
Has he ever had any followers frequenting this thread?

Mr K 04-06-2024 20:03
Re: Trump’s Troubles
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 36176422)
Has he ever had any followers frequenting this thread?
Dude blows hot and cold. As long as the President gives away free chocolate milk he's in :) Never mind if Trumpy starts off nuclear arrmageddon if he's had a bad day....

Mick 10-06-2024 10:20
Re: Trump’s Troubles
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Stephen (Post 36176388)
Also, he seems to love repeating everything and shouting it, because his brainwashed followers lap it up and they believe it.
The same can be said for the lefty sheep who follow the useless Democrats, you lap their bullshit up, meanwhile the shithole that New York has become under them, followed by Philadelphia full of streets of homeless walking zombies, because they are caked up to max with drugs and the Democrats do nothing about it. Plenty of vids on YouTube of a guy who street walks around the city, and you just see a sad sight of people, with no coherence of where the hell they are, walking on and all around the filthy streets, standing aimlessly, some bent over in the middle of the pavement, some just lying around.

Hom3r 10-06-2024 10:23
Re: Trump’s Troubles
 
I saw that some polls now put Biden ahead, due to his conviction.


Either way neither should be in charge as they are too old.

Chris 10-06-2024 10:34
Re: Trump’s Troubles
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36176750)
The same can be said for the lefty sheep who follow the useless Democrats, you lap their bullshit up, meanwhile the shithole that New York has become under them, followed by Philadelphia full of streets of homeless walking zombies, because they are caked up to max with drugs and the Democrats do nothing about it. Plenty of vids on YouTube of a guy who street walks around the city, and you just see a sad sight of people, with no coherence of where the hell they are, walking on and all around the filthy streets, standing aimlessly, some bent over in the middle of the pavement, some just lying around.
Yeah … those MAGA claims don’t really have much impact any more though, do they. What with them being orchestrated by a convicted felon, adjudicated rapist and suspected national traitor.

Stephen 10-06-2024 10:35
Re: Trump’s Troubles
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36176750)
The same can be said for the lefty sheep who follow the useless Democrats, you lap their bullshit up, meanwhile the shithole that New York has become under them, followed by Philadelphia full of streets of homeless walking zombies, because they are caked up to max with drugs and the Democrats do nothing about it. Plenty of vids on YouTube of a guy who street walks around the city, and you just see a sad sight of people, with no coherence of where the hell they are, walking on and all around the filthy streets, standing aimlessly, some bent over in the middle of the pavement, some just lying around.
I personally don't lap anything up. Both parties are bad. One is just worse than the other. Much the same as most of the parties here too.

Pierre 10-06-2024 11:07
Re: Trump’s Troubles
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36176753)
Yeah … those MAGA claims don’t really have much impact any more though, do they. What with them being orchestrated by a convicted felon, adjudicated rapist and suspected national traitor.
Rapist? I missed that one.

Defamation wasn't it?

Hugh 10-06-2024 12:01
Re: Trump’s Troubles
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36176756)
Rapist? I missed that one.

Defamation wasn't it?
https://wapo.st/3Rm5VQp

Quote:
Judge clarifies: Yes, Trump was found to have raped E. Jean Carroll

After Donald Trump was found liable for sexually abusing and defaming E. Jean Carroll, his legal team and his defenders lodged a frequent talking point.

Despite Carroll’s claims that Trump had raped her, they noted, the jury stopped short of saying he committed that particular offense. Instead, jurors opted for a second option: sexual abuse.

“This was a rape claim, this was a rape case all along, and the jury rejected that — made other findings,” his lawyer, Joe Tacopina, said outside the courthouse.

A judge has now clarified that this is basically a legal distinction without a real-world difference. He says that what the jury found Trump did was in fact rape, as commonly understood.
You also missed it the last time you questioned it, on the 17th of February…

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/show...&postcount=457

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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36170357)
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Did he? Rape is a level 3 felony, guaranteed 3-16 years in prison.

If he did, beyond doubt, he’d be in prison.
He did.

There’s a statute of limitations in New York State. This was extended in 2022 to allow civil remedy, but the rape occurred too long ago for it to be dealt with now as a criminal matter.

So, yes, he did rape her, within the commonly understood definition of that term - so said the trial judge, clarifying the ruling:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...ll-judge-rape/

You may of course insist on legal niceties such as the strict definition of rape vs sexual abuse, and liability rather than guilt, but then that’s exactly what Trump’s advisors and legal team has been doing in the six months since the trial concluded. Again, I suggest the problem here is less people out to get Trump, and more which bits of the internet you’ve been sucked into.

Pierre 10-06-2024 12:33
Re: Trump’s Troubles
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36176760)
https://wapo.st/3Rm5VQp



You also missed it the last time you questioned it, on the 17th of February…

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/show...&postcount=457
Sorry, where's the bit where he was charged and convicted of rape?


Quote:
The verdict was split: Jurors rejected Carroll’s claim that she was raped, finding Trump responsible for a lesser degree of sexual abuse. The judgment adds to Trump’s legal woes and offers vindication to Carroll, whose allegations had been mocked and dismissed by Trump for years.
https://apnews.com/article/trump-rap...d42af9ec83d7db

So the jury rejected her claim that she was raped.

But the Judge has said that their rejection of this charge, is actually them agreeing to that charge?

OK.

Chris 10-06-2024 12:48
Re: Trump’s Troubles
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36176761)
Sorry, where's the bit where he was charged and convicted of rape?




https://apnews.com/article/trump-rap...d42af9ec83d7db

So the jury rejected her claim that she was raped.

But the Judge has said that their rejection of this charge, is actually them agreeing to that charge?

OK.
Hence the phrase ‘adjudicated racist’ (edit) - that should be ‘adjudicated rapist’ - which is now commonly and accurately used in order to honour the facts which are

1. This was a civil case
2. There is a legal distinction in NY State between rape and sexual assault, the distinction being whether the assailant assaulted his victim with his penis (rape) or his finger (assault). As the victim could not swear which part of his body Trump used to violate her sexually, the jury was forced to opt for the legal verdict ‘sexual assault’.
3. The judge nevertheless confirmed post-trial that in common discussion it is absolutely appropriate to say Trump raped his victim, because the distinction in this case is a very narrow legal one with little relevance outside the courtroom.

So, remind me - as you have already challenged this, and have already had it explained to you - why you’re still coming out to bat for Trump on the basis that it’s unclear whether he sexually violated his victim with his finger or his penis?

ianch99 10-06-2024 13:16
Re: Trump’s Troubles
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36176762)
Hence the phrase ‘adjudicated racist’ which is now commonly and accurately used in order to honour the facts which are

1. This was a civil case
2. There is a legal distinction in NY State between rape and sexual assault, the distinction being whether the assailant assaulted his victim with his penis (rape) or his finger (assault). As the victim could not swear which part of his body Trump used to violate her sexually, the jury was forced to opt for the legal verdict ‘sexual assault’.
3. The judge nevertheless confirmed post-trial that in common discussion it is absolutely appropriate to say Trump raped his victim, because the distinction in this case is a very narrow legal one with little relevance outside the courtroom.

So, remind me - as you have already challenged this, and have already had it explained to you - why you’re still coming out to bat for Trump on the basis that it’s unclear whether he sexually violated his victim with his finger or his penis?
I don't disagree with this either :)

It does show how the MAGA mindset works though. Denial and Ignorance are right at the top of the rulebook.

Chris 10-06-2024 14:01
Re: Trump’s Troubles
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36176763)
I don't disagree with this either :)

It does show how the MAGA mindset works though. Denial and Ignorance are right at the top of the rulebook.
LOL … Freudian slip perhaps :D. Original now edited …

1andrew1 10-06-2024 15:03
Re: Trump’s Troubles
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36176765)
LOL … Freudian slip perhaps :D. Original now edited …
:D:D:D

Hugh 10-06-2024 15:44
Re: Trump’s Troubles
 
Verbatim, from his speech in Las Vegas yesterday, talking about electric boats and sharks...

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"I say, what would happen if the boat sank from its weight, and you're in the boat, and you have this tremendously powerful battery, and the battery is now underwater. And there's a shark that's approximately 10 yards over there.

By the way, lot of shark attacks lately, I watched some guys justifying it today. 'Well, they weren't really that angry. They bit off the young lady's leg because of the fact that they were, they were not hungry, but they misunderstood who she was"

"He said 'there's no problem with sharks, they just didn't really understand a young woman's swimming. She really got decimated and other people too, a lot of shark attacks."

"So I said, there's a shark 10 yards away from the boat, do I get electrocuted? If the boat is sinking, water goes over the battery, the boat is sinking, do I stay on top of the boat and get electrocuted? Or do I jump over by the shark and not get electrocuted?

"Because I will tell you he didn't know the answer. He said, 'you know, nobody's ever asked me that question.' I said I think it's a good question. I think there's a lot of electric current coming to that water. But you know what I'd do? If there was a shark or you get electrocuted, I'll take electrocution every single time. I'm not getting near the shark."
https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trum...-boats-1910275

Video

https://x.com/atrupar/status/1799894705288761412

Stephen 10-06-2024 15:53
Re: Trump’s Troubles
 
Wow that is certainly laughable and embarrassing.

1andrew1 10-06-2024 16:00
Re: Trump’s Troubles
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36176773)
Verbatim, from his speech in Las Vegas yesterday, talking about electric boats and sharks...

https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trum...-boats-1910275

Video
https://x.com/atrupar/status/1799894705288761412
Very sad. Hard to say he's not suffering cognitive health issues there.

Mick 10-06-2024 17:35
Re: Trump’s Troubles
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36176753)
Yeah … those MAGA claims don’t really have much impact any more though, do they. What with them being orchestrated by a convicted felon, adjudicated rapist and suspected national traitor.
Nothing to do with MAGA claims, all those people left in such a state matters a great deal, just that the corrupt Democrats couldn’t give a shit.

Clear to me, the Corrupt Judge from a sham trial on trumped up charges, by a weaponised Democrat Justice system, in a corrupted Democrat run New York.

Scoff all you want, his poll numbers are up in Key States against the sleepy idiot & the case could still be overturned on appeal, or even a mistrial declared, given one of the Juror’s family members revealed in a FB post that Trump will be convicted but let’s also remind you & others, George Floyd was a convicted felon & half of America worshipped him, he didn’t deserve to die, but let me put things in to perspective here, being a convicted felon can’t be all that bad, if the BLM crowd burned down city businesses for him.

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Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36176763)
I don't disagree with this either :)

It does show how the MAGA mindset works though. Denial and Ignorance are right at the top of the rulebook.
That’s pretty much same rule book as you lefties, but you’re twice as bad at it.

Itshim 10-06-2024 17:46
Re: Trump’s Troubles
 
Trump or Biden what a choice! When in States I favor , Trump, outside it Biden . The two worse people I can think of.

Stephen 10-06-2024 17:49
Re: Trump’s Troubles
 
Sorry Mick but nothing corrupt about the recent court case or any up and coming ones.

It was a jury made up of members of the public that the prosecution and defence both had a hand in picking. They found him guilty on all counts. The justice system is there for all it's not been weaponised at all.

As for the Floyd case, his personal issues had no relevance to the fact that he was murdered by the police. No one deserves that.

1andrew1 10-06-2024 18:12
Re: Trump’s Troubles
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Stephen (Post 36176789)
Sorry Mick but nothing corrupt about the recent court case or any up and coming ones.

It was a jury made up of members of the public that the prosecution and defence both had a hand in picking. They found him guilty on all counts. The justice system is there for all it's not been weaponised at all.

As for the Floyd case, his personal issues had no relevance to the fact that he was murdered by the police. No one deserves that.
The jury were all lefty Democrats picked from, surprise, surprise a very strong pro-Democrat area. Trump should have been able to request the trial be held in a good old-fashioned red neck area where the jury would be more balanced. And as for the ridiculous charges - Trumped up in more than one way! They were all hastily assembled by jealous Democrats who could not inherit as wisely as Trump has done.

The fact that Trump's businesses are registered in New York is of no relevance - the courts have been weaponised and the corrupt judges and jury will pay for it once Trump wins for the third time as President. :D

ianch99 10-06-2024 18:26
Re: Trump’s Troubles
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36176790)
The jury were all lefty Democrats picked from, surprise, surprise a very strong pro-Democrat area. Trump should have been able to request the trial be held in a good old-fashioned red neck area where the jury would be more balanced. And as for the ridiculous charges - Trumped up in more than one way! They were all hastily assembled by jealous Democrats who could not inherit as wisely as Trump has done.

The fact that Trump's businesses are registered in New York is of no relevance - the courts have been weaponised and the corrupt judges and jury will pay for it once Trump wins for the third time as President. :D
You are not a closet Lefty by any chance? :)

Mick 11-06-2024 01:23
Re: Trump’s Troubles
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Stephen (Post 36176789)
Sorry Mick but nothing corrupt about the recent court case or any up and coming ones.

It was a jury made up of members of the public that the prosecution and defence both had a hand in picking. They found him guilty on all counts. The justice system is there for all it's not been weaponised at all.

As for the Floyd case, his personal issues had no relevance to the fact that he was murdered by the police. No one deserves that.
Rubbish, a convicted felon is a convicted felon, which is what Chris was trying to scoff me with. I did say Floyd didn’t deserve to die, I did say that, if you try to open your eyes.

The court case was corrupt nothing you state, tells me otherwise and it could still be overturned on appeal, which it should because how Alvin Bragg, NY DA Trumped up the charges, that had already fallen outside the statute of limitations and the justice system has been weaponised by the corrupted Dems.

Stephen 11-06-2024 01:47
Re: Trump’s Troubles
 
I don't need to open my eyes, I saw what you posted. The point I was trying to get across was that whether he had commited previous crimes or whether he was just an innocent black guy stopped by police bears no relevance on the outcome. He was murdered as the Police were so heavy handed, similar to what happened here in Scotalnd.

I'd say there is very little chance that all 34 charges would be overturned. Chances are some will still stand and while he will never likely do time over those crimes he committed, he still committed fraud and numerous other acts of criminality. The guy seriously thinks he is above the law and that it doesn't apply to him.

I worry for America should he win in November. But at the same time Biden is clearly not be running the country either.

Paul 11-06-2024 02:28
Re: Trump’s Troubles
 
I'm curious why anyone in the UK cares about Trump at all, he's cleary a bit of a nut job, and America's problem, not ours.
We have an election over here we should all be more concerned about.

Mr K 11-06-2024 06:21
Re: Trump’s Troubles
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36176829)
I'm curious why anyone in the UK cares about Trump at all, he's cleary a bit of a nut job, and America's problem, not ours.
We have an election over here we should all be more concerned about.
He could have the potential to destroy the world, if he's had a bad day/hissy fit. So it does affect us.

Chris 11-06-2024 08:38
Re: Trump’s Troubles
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36176829)
I'm curious why anyone in the UK cares about Trump at all, he's cleary a bit of a nut job, and America's problem, not ours.
We have an election over here we should all be more concerned about.
Given the comments he has already made about encouraging Putin to invade Nato states that don’t spend enough on defence, he is already damaging European security in ways that should concern you. Were he to actually become president, then you’d have a man in the most powerful chair in the world who has openly said how much he admires Putin (presently invading a sovereign country, responsible for the death of half a million of his own people to date, and likely half as many again including Ukrainians) and Xi (now circling Taiwan with an entire navy on a near-weekly basis under the pretence of ‘exercises’).

When you signal that you’re not serious about defending territory, dictators take note and are emboldened to act. That’s exactly why Argentina thought it could get away with it in 1982. It’s why Hitler kept getting away with it until 1939.

Trump is not a statesman, he’s a businessman - a bad one - with a mobster mentality. He admires strongmen and fancies himself as one, so he sucks up to them and doesn’t care who he treads on in order to get what he thinks he deserves. He is also now in serious cognitive decline (the shark speech from Las Vegas is just one recent example of how much difficulty he now has holding a train of thought ). So not only does he neither understand, nor care, how good international statecraft is done, he is mentally erratic and increasingly unpredictable.

tweetiepooh 11-06-2024 09:51
Re: Trump’s Troubles
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36176821)
The court case was corrupt nothing you state, tells me otherwise and it could still be overturned on appeal, which it should because how Alvin Bragg, NY DA Trumped up the charges, that had already fallen outside the statute of limitations and the justice system has been weaponised by the corrupted Dems.

If the justice system has been so corrupted by one side how do you try someone from the other side for crimes he has committed (allowing that not all charges are also politically motivated)? Do they just get away with things because they can't get a fair trial?


This works both ways, if the system is biased towards the accused so there is an unfair chance of acquittal do the case also get dismissed or the crimes ignored?


We rightly speak out against unjust regimes or systems that use the legal system to persecute or where wealth/position can buy or influence an outcome but is there the same degree of corruption in this case? #


How would the system in the US need to change to prevent "weaponising" the judicial mechanisms? If the judicial system is politically influenced how can you prosecute (or defend) any political figure?

Chris 11-06-2024 10:00
Re: Trump’s Troubles
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by tweetiepooh (Post 36176842)
If the justice system has been so corrupted by one side how do you try someone from the other side for crimes he has committed (allowing that not all charges are also politically motivated)? Do they just get away with things because they can't get a fair trial?


This works both ways, if the system is biased towards the accused so there is an unfair chance of acquittal do the case also get dismissed or the crimes ignored?


We rightly speak out against unjust regimes or systems that use the legal system to persecute or where wealth/position can buy or influence an outcome but is there the same degree of corruption in this case? #


How would the system in the US need to change to prevent "weaponising" the judicial mechanisms? If the judicial system is politically influenced how can you prosecute (or defend) any political figure?
You’re deploying reason against MAGA cult beliefs. You’re wasting your time. I have no idea whether Mick truly believes any of this or if he just feels obliged to defend the horse he backed so loudly in 2016 but either way, all he is posting here is redneck deep-state conspiracy theories from the darkest corners of Xitter. It is ocean-going, weapons-grade nonsense and there really is no reasoning with it.

Stephen 11-06-2024 10:14
Re: Trump’s Troubles
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by tweetiepooh (Post 36176842)
If the justice system has been so corrupted by one side how do you try someone from the other side for crimes he has committed (allowing that not all charges are also politically motivated)? Do they just get away with things because they can't get a fair trial?


This works both ways, if the system is biased towards the accused so there is an unfair chance of acquittal do the case also get dismissed or the crimes ignored?


We rightly speak out against unjust regimes or systems that use the legal system to persecute or where wealth/position can buy or influence an outcome but is there the same degree of corruption in this case? #


How would the system in the US need to change to prevent "weaponising" the judicial mechanisms? If the judicial system is politically influenced how can you prosecute (or defend) any political figure?
If any of that had any bearing on reality then Hunter wouldn't be going through the criminal case that he is. He'd have been let off and it all hushed up. It's neither biased nor weaponised.

Mick 11-06-2024 13:38
Re: Trump’s Troubles
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36176839)
Given the comments he has already made about encouraging Putin to invade Nato states that don’t spend enough on defence, he is already damaging European security in ways that should concern you. Were he to actually become president, then you’d have a man in the most powerful chair in the world who has openly said how much he admires Putin (presently invading a sovereign country, responsible for the death of half a million of his own people to date, and likely half as many again including Ukrainians) and Xi (now circling Taiwan with an entire navy on a near-weekly basis under the pretence of ‘exercises’).

When you signal that you’re not serious about defending territory, dictators take note and are emboldened to act. That’s exactly why Argentina thought it could get away with it in 1982. It’s why Hitler kept getting away with it until 1939.

Trump is not a statesman, he’s a businessman - a bad one - with a mobster mentality. He admires strongmen and fancies himself as one, so he sucks up to them and doesn’t care who he treads on in order to get what he thinks he deserves. He is also now in serious cognitive decline (the shark speech from Las Vegas is just one recent example of how much difficulty he now has holding a train of thought ). So not only does he neither understand, nor care, how good international statecraft is done, he is mentally erratic and increasingly unpredictable.
Misguided rubbish about NATO, his stance has always been to get other European countries to pay their fair share towards NATO defence, in his mind he doesn’t agree the U.S should defend other countries when they are committed to spending little on their own defence & that point he makes is very valid, if you honestly believe he had enticed Putin to invade a NATO country, then don’t you ever accuse me of drinking the crazy cool-aid conspiracy shite again Chris, so no, his comments don’t worry me at all, there was no wars while he was in office, there’s a multitude under the current sleepy disgrace, residing in his bed, in the WH, whilst the world turns to shit, under his watch.

Chris 11-06-2024 13:46
Re: Trump’s Troubles
 
It’s all white noise, Mick. Seriously. And I wouldn’t be too sure about predicting what’s in Trump’s mind, not with ample video evidence that even Trump doesn’t know what’s in Trump’s mind any longer. The shark clip is just one example out of many recently.

I truly have no idea what your stake is here. I can understand tribal politics within the USA to a certain extent - though I note that no fewer than *40* of the *Republicans* Trump had in his administration during his tenure have now publicly refused to endorse him, including Mike Pence - but why any observer an ocean away is so invested in the campaigns of this criminal, rapey fraudster is a mystery to me.


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