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jfman 18-05-2023 10:19
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Rishi abandons commitment to get net migration down. Quelle surprise.

Immigration has been used by the Conservatives (and Labour) to drive down wages wages and living standards in this country for 40 years while blaming the EU bogey man and unquantifiable “red tape”.

denphone 18-05-2023 10:29
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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36152094)
Rishi abandons commitment to get net migration down. Quelle surprise.

Immigration has been used by the Conservatives (and Labour) to drive down wages wages and living standards in this country for 40 years while blaming the EU bogey man and unquantifiable “red tape”.
Yep its easy to blame Johnny Foreigner and the EU for all this country's ills.

Well we cannot blame the EU anymore for our ills even though the right wing media and politicians will still have a good try at it.

1andrew1 18-05-2023 11:25
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Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 36152095)
Yep its easy to blame Johnny Foreigner and the EU for all this country's ills.

Well we cannot blame the EU anymore for our ills even though the right wing media and politicians will still have a good try at it.
It's Remainer civil servants and striking nurses who have sabotaged the Government's efforts to keep immigration down.

Well, it was last time I read the Express!

TheDaddy 18-05-2023 11:42
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Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36152089)
I agree. They think that the red meat they are selling will buy them power again but I really do think that there are enough decent people in this country to see through this. The Tories, in their current form, are watching their Rome burn while they fiddle ...
Fiddle what, the taxpayers

Pierre 18-05-2023 11:52
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36152069)
Seems like you subscribe to the Victorian school of values: know your place and if you can't afford food, starve.
Well if you have to resort to outright lies to try and validate your point, it's not a very strong point is it?

Quote:

Just watch her keynote speech at the NatC conference:

https://twitter.com/i/status/1658134915202834433

Barking mad ...
Looked like a great speech.

Which bit don't you agree with? Two main points I took from it, I'll paraphrase:

1. Todays children are tomorrows leaders, so should we not educate them with British values.

2. Keep woke ideology out of school education. Kids do not need to be taught about Gender ideology, Trans issues, Critical race theory, how colonialism was evil (colonialism itself and incorrect term), etc etc.

Teachers should not be sacked for refusing to recognise a pupils "pronouns"

Teachers that teach about the prophet mohammed should not have to leave their job and go into hiding.

So, I do subscribe to her methods. More schools should and they may get results like this

https://www.mylondon.news/news/north...-gcse-24895029

ianch99 18-05-2023 12:07
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36152101)
Well if you have to resort to outright lies to try and validate your point, it's not a very strong point is it?
Calm down dear

Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36152101)
Looked like a great speech.

Which bit don't you agree with? Two main points I took from it, I'll paraphrase:

1. Todays children are tomorrows leaders, so should we not educate them with British values.

2. Keep woke ideology out of school education. Kids do not need to be taught about Gender ideology, Trans issues, Critical race theory, how colonialism was evil (colonialism itself and incorrect term), etc etc.

Teachers should not be sacked for refusing to recognise a pupils "pronouns"

Teachers that teach about the prophet mohammed should not have to leave their job and go into hiding.

So, I do subscribe to her methods. More schools should and they may get results like this

https://www.mylondon.news/news/north...-gcse-24895029
You can paraphrase and invent all the scare stories you like, it won't make her, the right-wing Tories and the conference they attended normal.

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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36152094)
Rishi abandons commitment to get net migration down. Quelle surprise.

Immigration has been used by the Conservatives (and Labour) to drive down wages wages and living standards in this country for 40 years while blaming the EU bogey man and unquantifiable “red tape”.
You have to smile though: the Tories will be deserted by the people who voted Brexit to keep the foreigners out and by the decent Tories who are repulsed by their lies & morality.

They are between a rock and a hard place :D

Pierre 18-05-2023 13:22
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ianch99
invent all the scare stories you like
Unlike you, I do not have to invent anything.

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/u...iding-20260010

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/202...ttinghamshire/

https://unherd.com/thepost/report-mo...nder-ideology/

https://manhattan.institute/article/...ritish-schools

1andrew1 18-05-2023 15:23
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Just read the first two. Can't blame the school for some parents' reaction to the cartoon. And the teacher with the pronoun stance was not sacked.

I'll read the rest later.

ianch99 18-05-2023 15:34
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36152109)
Just read the first two. Can't blame the school for some parents' reaction to the cartoon. And the teacher with the pronoun stance was not sacked.

I'll read the rest later.
Yup, just scare stories.

TheDaddy 18-05-2023 15:47
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Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36152062)
I guess we know where your politics is at the moment. The good news is that the majority of the country are so far away from what this clown show of a conference represents.

Here's one of your "interesting" people:

https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/po...unches-348572/
Did anyone ask her what she did to stop her teachers from feeling ostracised?

ianch99 18-05-2023 18:23
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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 36152111)
Did anyone ask her what she did to stop her teachers from feeling ostracised?
Someone posted a screenshot of the letter sent out to the debtor parents in which her school describes what it will do to their children:

https://www.cableforum.uk/images/local/2023/05/6.jpg

All makes sense now, Suella Braverman was the first chair of governors at her school.

TheDaddy 18-05-2023 20:02
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Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36152114)
Someone posted a screenshot of the letter sent out to the debtor parents in which her school describes what it will do to their children:

https://www.cableforum.uk/images/local/2023/05/6.jpg

All makes sense now, Suella Braverman was the first chair of governors at her school.
Thanks but that's not really what I'm getting at, she said her staff are ostracised for not being liberal-minded well, what did she do about it? She makes out she's a leader, what did she do when members of her team needed support, I guessing feck all because this was all a bizarre rant lapped up by a willing audience

Pierre 18-05-2023 20:16
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36152109)
Just read the first two. Can't blame the school for some parents' reaction to the cartoon. And the teacher with the pronoun stance was not sacked.

I'll read the rest later.
The school threw the teacher under the proverbial bus and failed to support him infront of the mob.

The teacher was suspended and then clams she was sacked when she shared details of the incident with her solicitor. Unless you can show me she left of her own free will? I’m always happy to admit if I’m wrong.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/17...council-sacked

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Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36152110)
Yup, just scare stories.
No, reality, unfortunately.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36152114)
Someone posted a screenshot of the letter sent out to the debtor parents in which her school describes what it will do to their children:

https://www.cableforum.uk/images/local/2023/05/6.jpg

All makes sense now, Suella Braverman was the first chair of governors at her school.
Seems reasonable to me. Or do you think that people that are able to pay for school dinners shouldn’t?

Oh and look, they weren’t left to “starve”. That’s because they wouldn’t Be allowed to.

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Originally Posted by ianch99
Seems like you subscribe to the Victorian school of values: know your place and if you can't afford food, starve.

1andrew1 18-05-2023 20:42
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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36152117)
Teachers should not be sacked for refusing to recognise a pupils "pronouns"
As your article link shows, she wasn't sacked for refusing to recognise a pupil's chosen pronouns but for another reason.

According to the teacher herself.
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...she has been sacked for gross misconduct after sharing information about the child with her lawyers in preparation for a judicial review claim against the school and the council.
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/17...council-sacked

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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36152117)
I’m always happy to admit if I’m wrong.
Good man. :tu:

Hugh 18-05-2023 21:01
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36152117)
The school threw the teacher under the proverbial bus and failed to support him infront of the mob.

The teacher was suspended and then clams she was sacked when she shared details of the incident with her solicitor. Unless you can show me she left of her own free will? I’m always happy to admit if I’m wrong.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/17...council-sacked

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No, reality, unfortunately.

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Seems reasonable to me. Or do you think that people that are able to pay for school dinners shouldn’t?

Oh and look, they weren’t left to “starve”. That’s because they wouldn’t Be allowed to.
Why is it reasonable to put a child in isolation because their parent hasn't paid something?

The child is be in being punished for something they haven't done.

ianch99 18-05-2023 22:05
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Quote:
Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 36152116)
Thanks but that's not really what I'm getting at, she said her staff are ostracised for not being liberal-minded well, what did she do about it? She makes out she's a leader, what did she do when members of her team needed support, I guessing feck all because this was all a bizarre rant lapped up by a willing audience
You hit the nail on the head.

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36152125)
Why is it reasonable to put a child in isolation because their parent hasn't paid something?

The child is be in being punished for something they haven't done.
It's the new Tory way: "Punish the children for the sins of the parents". Mmmm ... I can see the beginnings of a new red meat tag line forming here: "Be Angry, Make Them Pay" :D

Pierre 18-05-2023 22:24
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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36152125)
Why is it reasonable to put a child in isolation because their parent hasn't paid something?

The child is be in being punished for something they haven't done.
Are they in “isolation”? Or just sitting on a different table?

But rather than focus on the child sitting on the table, why not think about why they’re on the table.

Because their parent, that can afford to pay for school dinners, can’t be arsed.

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Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36152126)
It's the new Tory way: "Punish the children for the sins of the parents".
Just give me a straight answer to a straight question.

Should parents that have signed up to pay, and can pay, for school dinners for a school that have budgeted for that. And then decide to ignore that contractual obligation, just walk away Scott free?


Yes or no.


From your perspective, only needs a yes or no answer.

Hugh 18-05-2023 22:25
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36152130)
Are they in “isolation”? Or just sitting on a different table?

But rather than focus on the child sitting on the table, why not think about why they’re on the table.

Because their parent, that can afford to pay for school dinners, can’t be arsed.
Well, the parent isn't the one putting them into a separate room.

https://www.theguardian.com/educatio...unch-isolation

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According to a teacher from another school who visited Michaela, the isolation entails pupils eating a packed lunch in a separate room while doing school work supervised by a teacher..
I have no issues with the parents being sanctioned, but not surexwhygthe kids should be punished for the parents wrongdoings.

They were being punished the same as pupils who were guilty of “serious misconduct” or those who miss a detention.

https://schoolsweek.co.uk/isolation-...chool-leaders/

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But children with outstanding debt are being removed from the lunches and placed in isolation – which is normally used for pupils guilty of “serious misconduct” or those who miss a detention, who spend the whole day away from others.

Maggy 19-05-2023 09:11
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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36152125)
Why is it reasonable to put a child in isolation because their parent hasn't paid something?

The child is be in being punished for something they haven't done.
Speaking as a retired teacher I agree wholeheartedly.It would be like separating out those students who receive free school dinners and making them eat separately from the rest. Which happened to me as a recipient of free school dinners and something I observed with disgust as a teacher.

Pierre 19-05-2023 09:25
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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36152132)
I have no issues with the parents being sanctioned
How do you sanction the parent? make them sit by themselves for lunch?

This is about parents flouting their obligation.

again to be clear
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the policy didn’t apply to pupils on free school meals – more than one in five of those attending the school near Wembley Stadium – or for those with money problems.
I mean you could always just kick the kid out of school, would that be a better strategy.

How would you compel the parent the pay the outstanding debt? I know that £75 is pretty much near a whole half term, it's not an oversight.

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Originally Posted by Maggy (Post 36152143)
Speaking as a retired teacher I agree wholeheartedly.It would be like separating out those students who receive free school dinners and making them eat separately from the rest. Which happened to me as a recipient of free school dinners and something I observed with disgust as a teacher.
Likewise, but this is not about stigmatising poor pupils that cannot afford school dinners. This is people that can afford school dinners making a decision not to pay.

How would you deal with it?


It's the same situation in society, that if one person decides to flout the rules and get away with it, everyone will.

Personally, I'd advise them that if the bill isn't settled the child will be excluded from school.

So I guess that puts me even further to the extreme than the nutty Head mistress!

Maggy 19-05-2023 09:39
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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36152144)
How do you sanction the parent? make them sit by themselves for lunch?

This is about parents flouting their obligation.

again to be clear

I mean you could always just kick the kid out of school, would that be a better strategy.

How would you compel the parent the pay the outstanding debt? I know that £75 is pretty much near a whole half term, it's not an oversight.

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Likewise, but this is not about stigmatising poor pupils that cannot afford school dinners. This is people that can afford school dinners making a decision not to pay.

How would you deal with it?


It's the same situation in society, that if one person decides to flout the rules and get away with it, everyone will.

Personally, I'd advise them that if the bill isn't settled the child will be excluded from school.

So I guess that puts me even further to the extreme than the nutty Head mistress!
I would NOT punish the child.THEY ARE NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR THEIR PARENTS STUPIDITY. YOU are being ridiculous and extremely petty.

Hugh 19-05-2023 09:55
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36152144)
How do you sanction the parent? make them sit by themselves for lunch?

This is about parents flouting their obligation.

again to be clear

I mean you could always just kick the kid out of school, would that be a better strategy.

How would you compel the parent the pay the outstanding debt? I know that £75 is pretty much near a whole half term, it's not an oversight.

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Likewise, but this is not about stigmatising poor pupils that cannot afford school dinners. This is people that can afford school dinners making a decision not to pay.

How would you deal with it?


It's the same situation in society, that if one person decides to flout the rules and get away with it, everyone will.

Personally, I'd advise them that if the bill isn't settled the child will be excluded from school.

So I guess that puts me even further to the extreme than the nutty Head mistress!
It’s not about "right" or "left", it’s about whether one agrees it’s appropriate to punish children for something that’s not their fault or responsibility.

You think it’s appropriate, others disagree…

Pierre 19-05-2023 10:02
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Maggy (Post 36152146)
I would NOT punish the child.THEY ARE NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR THEIR PARENTS STUPIDITY. YOU are being ridiculous and extremely petty.
You could also try answering the question.

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36152147)
It’s not about "right" or "left", it’s about whether one agrees it’s appropriate to punish children for something that’s not their fault or responsibility.

You think it’s appropriate, others disagree…
You could also try answering the question

Hugh 19-05-2023 10:04
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I don’t answer simplistic false dichotomies…

You’re saying it’s either/or - it isn’t.

tweetiepooh 19-05-2023 10:14
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But how can the school sanction the parents? Plus what does the child learn if they go home and the parents show that they can get away with theft?



It's not really fair but someone always loses with crime, the victim is not always be apparent. Maybe there is hope that a minor discomfort to the child will lead to a better response from the parents and if the parents are willing to allow their child to pay for their wrong doing there is more at stake here than simple non-payment for meals.

Pierre 19-05-2023 10:25
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36152151)
I don’t answer simplistic false dichotomies…

You’re saying it’s either/or - it isn’t.
I'm not asking a simplistic false scenario, it's also not an either / or.

I'm asking what you would do.

I've said what I would do. You have disagreed with her, and mine, solutions.

I'm simply asking what you would do?

ianch99 19-05-2023 10:26
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I would think that the Education Authority would be the best vehicle to pursue these parents, in the same way they do for parents who take their children out of school during term time. If it is proven that they have the funds to pay for the meals then they could be fined appropriately.

Punishing the children for the sins of the parents sounds a bit hard-core Old Testament.

Pierre 19-05-2023 10:43
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36152156)
I would think that the Education Authority would be the best vehicle to pursue these parents, in the same way they do for parents who take their children out of school during term time. If it is proven that they have the funds to pay for the meals then they could be fined appropriately.

Punishing the children for the sins of the parents sounds a bit hard-core Old Testament.
Academies and Free Schools are not controlled by an LEA, also if the parents are not willing to pay, what will fining them achieve? they can just ignore that too.

ianch99 19-05-2023 10:50
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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36152157)
Academies and Free Schools are not controlled by an LEA, also if the parents are not willing to pay, what will fining them achieve? they can just ignore that too.
Then there's your answer: bring the schools back under state control where they belong.

Hugh 19-05-2023 12:17
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36152155)
I'm not asking a simplistic false scenario, it's also not an either / or.

I'm asking what you would do.

I've said what I would do. You have disagreed with her, and mine, solutions.

I'm simply asking what you would do?
They are still being given a sandwich and a piece of fruit if their parents are in default, so I would let them sit with their friends and eat those, rather than isolate them from their peers.

Their parents (probably) won’t care if the kids are isolated, so only the kids are being punished for something that they have no accountability or responsibility for - that isn’t equitable.

Pierre 19-05-2023 12:49
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36152162)
They are still being given a sandwich and a piece of fruit if their parents are in default, so I would let them sit with their friends and eat those, rather than isolate them from their peers.

Their parents (probably) won’t care if the kids are isolated, so only the kids are being punished for something that they have no accountability or responsibility for - that isn’t equitable.
That's a fair point, doesn't resolve the arrears though.

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Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36152159)
Then there's your answer:
It really isn't.

Maggy 19-05-2023 13:33
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36152148)
You could also try answering the question.

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You could also try answering the question
What question precisely?

ianch99 19-05-2023 13:47
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36152163)
It really isn't.
Not to you but it is a solution

Pierre 19-05-2023 13:52
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Maggy (Post 36152167)
What question precisely?
The one you, yourself, highlighted in red.

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/show...&postcount=621

GrimUpNorth 20-05-2023 22:22
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If true, yet another example of how this lot think they're entitled and only care about themselves. Maybe she should never have got her job back.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...aught-speeding

Sephiroth 20-05-2023 22:38
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She is a very good Home Secretary because she is trying to deliver the right policies.

Hugh 20-05-2023 22:43
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"right" being the appropriate adjective…

(rather than correct)

ianch99 20-05-2023 22:43
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36152269)

She is a very good Home Secretary because she is trying to deliver the right policies.
Surely, you mean "Trying to deliver the right wing policies"? After all, that is the only hope they have left ...

Sephiroth 20-05-2023 23:01
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Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36152273)
Surely, you mean "Trying to deliver the right wing policies"? After all, that is the only hope they have left ...
I think you're being rather shallow here, Ian. She is trying to deal with the boat migrants (they must be stopped or deported except in genuine cases of need), and the nasty protestors who try to disrupt peoples' daily lives (I think the latest legislation goes a long way toward this.

She is seriously anti-woke and that s a good thing. She calls it as it is in relation to the current (ridiculous) gender debate.

TheDaddy 20-05-2023 23:23
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36152273)
Surely, you mean "Trying to deliver the right wing policies"? After all, that is the only hope they have left ...
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36152276)
I think you're being rather shallow here, Ian. She is trying to deal with the boat migrants (they must be stopped or deported except in genuine cases of need), and the nasty protestors who try to disrupt peoples' daily lives (I think the latest legislation goes a long way toward this.

She is seriously anti-woke and that s a good thing. She calls it as it is in relation to the current (ridiculous) gender debate.
Seems like you might be correct Ian, is this really all they've got left, the poxy culture war, still at least it's better than a real war

jfman 21-05-2023 00:01
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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 36152277)
Seems like you might be correct Ian, is this really all they've got left, the poxy culture war, still at least it's better than a real war
Well, it's good we don't have a real war here, but they do drag out Zelensky for photo ops when it suits.

1andrew1 21-05-2023 00:35
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36152269)

She is a very good Home Secretary because she is trying to deliver the right policies.
Whether we like or dislike her policies is irrelevant to the central question: Did she breach Ministerial Code by asking civil servants to arrange a private one-to-one driving awareness course?

Mr K 21-05-2023 08:37
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36152269)

She is a very good Home Secretary because she is trying to deliver the right policies.
And failing. Immigration has doubled from pre Brexit levels. Maybe the eurocrats were better than ours. She's taken back control big style.

1andrew1 21-05-2023 09:29
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Popcorn at the ready, Suella Braverman's bad week could be followed by a very tough one indeed

If Suella Braverman thought her week had thrown up its fair share of challenging newspaper headlines, it could quickly get even worse - with her opponents in Westminster just days away from an opportunity to grill her in the Commons....

...In between, Ms Braverman saw her personal approval rating plunge in a YouGov poll - and critics cruelly pointed out her right-wing populism wasn't, in fact, very popular.

At the same time, the home secretary clashed with cabinet colleagues on migration policy and is also facing a likely onslaught from Tory right-wingers over new figures in a few days showing a sharp rise in immigration.

Now, on top of the confrontations she faces with opponents and some colleagues on policy issues, the embattled Braverman could soon be facing an inquiry into her conduct as a minister which could lead to her being sacked...

...She'll no doubt hope her belated mea culpa may draw a line under the row and perhaps take the sting out of calls for a full-blown probe by Sir Laurie, the ethics watchdog. Fat chance, as they say, of that.

As luck would have it - for her opponents, that is - the first business when the Commons sits again on Monday is… questions to the home secretary, Suella Braverman.

Popcorn at the ready.
https://news.sky.com/story/popcorn-a...ndeed-12885753

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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36152282)
And failing. Immigration has doubled from pre Brexit levels. Maybe the eurocrats were better than ours. She's taken back control big style.
Amazes me that those who are not keen on immigration from Middle Eastern countries voted in 2016 not to send them back to the first EU country they landed in.

If this is another price worth paying for Brexit then they should acknowledge they have given the government a near impossible framework to work within. On this aspect, Braverman has my sympathy.

Sephiroth 21-05-2023 09:45
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36152279)
Whether we like or dislike her policies is irrelevant to the central question: Did she breach Ministerial Code by asking civil servants to arrange a private one-to-one driving awareness course?

We are looking at pure vulture journalism here and I’m surprised that you’ve taken this up. She understandably didn’t want the points, didn’t understandably want to sit on the public course and validly asked the questions. Labour are being disgusting here.


Mr K 21-05-2023 09:50
Re: The Chronicles of Rishi
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36152291)

We are looking at pure vulture journalism here and I’m surprised that you’ve taken this up. She understandably didn’t want the points, didn’t understandably want to sit on the public course and validly asked the questions. Labour are being disgusting here.

She asked rhe questlon, 'can I have special treatment as I'm not one of the riff raff?'

1andrew1 21-05-2023 10:16
Re: The Chronicles of Rishi
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36152291)

We are looking at pure vulture journalism here and I’m surprised that you’ve taken this up. She understandably didn’t want the points, didn’t understandably want to sit on the public course and validly asked the questions. Labour are being disgusting here.
I'm afraid you can't pin Braverman's potential Ministerial Code-breaking on the Opposition, Seph. It's not one rule for Ministers whose policies you like and another one for other Ministers that you don't. The Code is there for a good reason.

From the report in The Sunday Times, it appears she may have broken the Ministerial Code. Therefore, the matter should be properly investigated. If it's found that she broke the Code, then she should pay the appropriate penalty. The longer she tries to bury it without an enquiry, the longer it will drag on.

denphone 21-05-2023 10:42
Re: The Chronicles of Rishi
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36152291)

We are looking at pure vulture journalism here and I’m surprised that you’ve taken this up. She understandably didn’t want the points, didn’t understandably want to sit on the public course and validly asked the questions. Labour are being disgusting here.

l wonder how you would feel if it was a politician from any of the other political parties.

Would you still have the same sentiments then..

OLD BOY 21-05-2023 10:43
Re: The Chronicles of Rishi
 
Perhaps the Ministerial Code needs reviewing. It is bogging us all down with trivia.

Mr K 21-05-2023 10:47
Re: The Chronicles of Rishi
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36152299)
Perhaps the Ministerial Code needs reviewing. It is bogging us all down with trivia.
Perhaps the ministerial code should just say 'dont be a d*ck?' Covers most things, stil be tricky for them to understand though.

1andrew1 21-05-2023 10:55
Re: The Chronicles of Rishi
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36152299)
Perhaps the Ministerial Code needs reviewing. It is bogging us all down with trivia.
I don't think it's the code that's at fault, Old Boy. ;)

---------- Post added at 10:55 ---------- Previous post was at 10:54 ----------

Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 36152297)
l wonder how you would feel if it was a politician from any of the other political parties.

Would you still have the same sentiments then..
Exactly.

At the end of the day, it's a role of the media and Opposition to hold the Government and its Ministers to account. They are some of the tools of an open and democratic society.

Having MPs interview fellow MPs as we've seen on GB News is not the right direction to go.

Hugh 21-05-2023 12:27
Re: The Chronicles of Rishi
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36152299)
Perhaps the Ministerial Code needs reviewing. It is bogging us all down with trivia.
Perhaps it’s the Ministers that need reviewing. They keep bogging us all down with trivia.

Sephiroth 21-05-2023 13:28
Re: The Chronicles of Rishi
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 36152297)
l wonder how you would feel if it was a politician from any of the other political parties.

Would you still have the same sentiments then..

Of course I would. A speeding fine and seeking to avoid as HS sitting in a public setting for 3 hours is trivia. The opposition put on such a serious face when complaining but this is pure trivia, as OB says.

Paul 21-05-2023 16:26
Re: The Chronicles of Rishi
 
Yes, I mean wow, such a big deal over nothing really.
I'm surprised they didnt just attack her for speeding in the first place.

1andrew1 21-05-2023 20:26
Re: The Chronicles of Rishi
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36152327)
Yes, I mean wow, such a big deal over nothing really.
I'm surprised they didnt just attack her for speeding in the first place.
We're not a fledgling democracy where these things get swept under the carpet. We have a proud democratic tradition that requires our elected politicians to follow the Ministerial Code. We have the right to investigate if it appears that they have broken it.

Democracy gets damaged if the electorate becomes cynical and believes there's one rule for politicians and another for the general public. That's why upholding the Ministerial Code is important.

Paul 21-05-2023 20:32
Re: The Chronicles of Rishi
 
What rule says the general public cant ask for a private awareness course ?

They can, and will likely get the same answer - No.

Sephiroth 21-05-2023 20:47
Re: The Chronicles of Rishi
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36152349)
What rule says the general public cant ask for a private awareness course ?

They can, and will likely get the same answer - No.
Not only that, the Sunday Times wrongly accused her of trying to avoid a speeding fine. Not at all true - the fine is transferred to paying £100 for the course.

1andrew1 21-05-2023 21:34
Re: The Chronicles of Rishi
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36152349)
What rule says the general public cant ask for a private awareness course ?

They can, and will likely get the same answer - No.
An important difference is that Suella is the boss of the civil servants she asked the request of, thus placing them in a difficult situation. That's one of the reasons why the Ministerial Code exists.

---------- Post added at 21:34 ---------- Previous post was at 21:19 ----------

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36152350)
Not only that, the Sunday Times wrongly accused her of trying to avoid a speeding fine. Not at all true - the fine is transferred to paying £100 for the course.
The Sunday Times is not accusing her of trying to avoid a speeding fine in itself as they add the phrase "by arranging a private..."
Quote:
Suella Braverman asked civil servants to help her avoid a speeding fine and points on her licence by arranging a private one-to-one driving awareness course.
I think a better wording would be "Suella Braverman asked civil servants to help her avoid her speeding offence becoming public knowledge by asking civil servants to arrange her driving awareness course in private with no members of the public in attendance.

Sephiroth 21-05-2023 21:48
Re: The Chronicles of Rishi
 
The Sunday Times paper headline said:

Quote:
Braverman asked civil servants to help her avoiding a speeding fine

She wanted a private speed awareness course
This is mischievous reporting because it's the headline.

1andrew1 21-05-2023 22:06
Re: The Chronicles of Rishi
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36152355)
The Sunday Times paper headline said:

This is mischievous reporting because it's the headline.
Probably there just to sell newspapers knowing Braverman wouldn't challenge it.

She's been far from honest with the press. Her representatives denied she had ever received a speeding ticket!

As Sky News says, it's pop corn week on Monday with questions to the Home Secretary on Monday and immigration data on Thursday which are expected to show net legal migration at a record 800,000.

And before that, more suggestions being reported that Braverman - like BoJo - feels rules are for the little people.
Quote:
Suella Braverman tried to get out of the final Commons vote on the government’s small boats bill despite Conservative MPs being instructed to attend, the Guardian has learned.

The home secretary’s aides sent multiple emails over the course of several days to the Tory whips’ office requesting that she be “slipped”, or permitted to miss, the third reading of her department’s flagship legislation.

Sources said the chief whip, Simon Hart, eventually had to call Braverman directly to instruct her to attend the vote on the illegal migration bill, which had a three-line whip. They claimed that Braverman had wanted to visit a police station instead.

One Tory insider said: “The chief is at his wit’s end with Suella. She just thinks she can do what she wants. Her office was really hassling the whips’ admin team to allow her to miss the third reading vote for what appeared to be a picture opportunity.”
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknew...62b6760a&ei=30

Sunak needs to get a grip. Where is the promised “integrity, professionalism and accountability” he promised?

Damien 21-05-2023 22:09
Re: The Chronicles of Rishi
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36152349)
What rule says the general public cant ask for a private awareness course ?

They can, and will likely get the same answer - No.
Using your ministerial post to try and get one is the issue.

Pierre 21-05-2023 22:13
Re: The Chronicles of Rishi
 
Such a non-story that i feel embarrassed for the MSM pushing the faux outrage.

1andrew1 21-05-2023 22:22
Re: The Chronicles of Rishi
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36152360)
Such a non-story that i feel embarrassed for the MSM pushing the faux outrage.
Breaching the Ministerial Code has never been a non-story and there's a good possibility this has happened here. No amount of wishful thinking can alter this fact.

So, pull up a chair and enjoy watching the story unfold this week. Heck, even GB News may find itself covering the story!

Pierre 21-05-2023 23:22
Re: The Chronicles of Rishi
 
She got caught speeding. (As many do)

She was offered to take a speed awareness course, instead of points and a fine ( as is standard policy for all)

As a person of note, she enquired if there was a possibility she could do the course privately.

After being advised this was not possible she opted to take the fine and points, as is her prerogative.

That is all.

It is a non-story, there is nothing to unfold, to pursue this as some kind of scandal is pathetic.

1andrew1 22-05-2023 00:55
Re: The Chronicles of Rishi
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36152371)
She got caught speeding. (As many do)

She was offered to take a speed awareness course, instead of points and a fine ( as is standard policy for all)

As a person of note, she enquired if there was a possibility she could do the course privately.

After being advised this was not possible she opted to take the fine and points, as is her prerogative.

That is all.

It is a non-story, there is nothing to unfold, to pursue this as some kind of scandal is pathetic.
Such a non-story that it makes the front page of a Tory-supporting newspaper. And that her spokesperson denies she was caught speeding! And that she asked civil servants to help on a private matter when she could have contacted the training provider directly.

Dave42 22-05-2023 01:02
Re: The Chronicles of Rishi
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36152360)
Such a non-story that i feel embarrassed for the MSM pushing the faux outrage.
you never say that if it was Starmer doing what she did

Sephiroth 22-05-2023 06:48
Re: The Chronicles of Rishi
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36152376)
Such a non-story that it makes the front page of a Tory-supporting newspaper. And that her spokesperson denies she was caught speeding! And that she asked civil servants to help on a private matter when she could have contacted the training provider directly.
It just goes to show what **** the press are sometimes.


Damien 22-05-2023 07:49
Re: The Chronicles of Rishi
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36152381)
It just goes to show what **** the press are sometimes.

It’s a legitimate story.

If she simply asked if it was possible then it’s not an issue, if she tried to leverage her position to get a private one then it is an issue.

1andrew1 22-05-2023 07:58
Re: The Chronicles of Rishi
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36152382)
It’s a legitimate story.

If she simply asked if it was possible then it’s not an issue, if she tried to leverage her position to get a private one then it is an issue.
Her spokesperson has not denied the allegations and avoided this issue entirely. They just said she'd been caught speeding last year, regreted it and paid the fine and took the three points.

Sunak needs to diffuse the story before Home Office Questions this afternoon. I would anticipate a vaguely competent PM would launch an enquiry. Sunak's more competent than his last few predecessors so today will be interesting.

Pierre 22-05-2023 08:12
Re: The Chronicles of Rishi
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave42 (Post 36152377)
you never say that if it was Starmer doing what she did
On this issue, I would.

---------- Post added at 08:07 ---------- Previous post was at 08:06 ----------

Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36152376)
Such a non-story that it makes the front page of a Tory-supporting newspaper.
Oh well! In that case, it’s up there with Profumo then.

---------- Post added at 08:10 ---------- Previous post was at 08:07 ----------

Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36152382)
It’s a legitimate story.

If she simply asked if it was possible then it’s not an issue, if she tried to leverage her position to get a private one then it is an issue.
Is it really? If I could use any leverage so as not to have to sit in a hotel meeting room on the side of a motorway for the morning, with some old guy and two boy racers, I would.


It’s not like she’s jumping the queue for a kidney op.

---------- Post added at 08:12 ---------- Previous post was at 08:10 ----------

Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36152383)
They just said she'd been caught speeding last year, regreted it and paid the fine and took the three points.
Outrageous, she needs to go immediately

jfman 22-05-2023 08:18
Re: The Chronicles of Rishi
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36152384)
Is it really? If I could use any leverage so as not to have to sit in a hotel meeting room on the side of a motorway for the morning, with some old guy and two boy racers, I would.
The fact it’s entirely rational to seek preferential treatment doesn’t mean it’s within the rules.

1andrew1 22-05-2023 08:37
Re: The Chronicles of Rishi
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36152384)
Outrageous, she needs to go immediately
I favour an enquiry even though I agree that the spokesperson's statement could be construed as admission.

---------- Post added at 08:35 ---------- Previous post was at 08:32 ----------

Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36152384)
Is it really? If I could use any leverage so as not to have to sit in a hotel meeting room on the side of a motorway for the morning, with some old guy and two boy racers, I would.
Just do it online.

---------- Post added at 08:37 ---------- Previous post was at 08:35 ----------

Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36152388)
The fact it’s entirely rational to seek preferential treatment doesn’t mean it’s within the rules.
Nail on the head!

ianch99 22-05-2023 09:32
Re: The Chronicles of Rishi
 
If it wasn't the person doing this, this non-story would remain a non-story. However given the arrogance & entitlement of her and her colleagues, the opposition want, correctly, to remind the country what sort of people they are and why they will likely be in opposition for a long time.

1andrew1 22-05-2023 10:28
Re: The Chronicles of Rishi
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36152394)
If it wasn't the person doing this, this non-story would remain a non-story. However given the arrogance & entitlement of her and her colleagues, the opposition want, correctly, to remind the country what sort of people they are and why they will likely be in opposition for a long time.
It would be a story whoever did it, particularly given the rule-breaking that went on under the Johnson regime.

It's more of a story now as:
- Braverman has previously resigned for rule-breaking and set herself a low bar for resigning.
- Sunak was dependent on her to get his PM role. Will her dare rock the boat by ordering an investigation?
- She's not denied the allegation.

Pierre 22-05-2023 11:07
Re: The Chronicles of Rishi
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36152388)
The fact it’s entirely rational to seek preferential treatment doesn’t mean it’s within the rules.
Even if she did seek it, she didn't get it. Case closed.

jfman 22-05-2023 11:19
Re: The Chronicles of Rishi
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36152401)
Even if she did seek it, she didn't get it. Case closed.
While those are observably facts it’s not whether she got preferential treatment or not that is relevant. The very act of seeking it would call into question - and rightly so - the professional conduct of Ministers.

Where else is she trying to further her own interests, financial, reputational or otherwise over the interests of this great nation?

Pierre 22-05-2023 13:35
Re: The Chronicles of Rishi
 
and for a little whataboutery.

When Labour are in power we can expect them to look after the pennies. I'm sure Rachel Reeves will stop flying first class on £11K on taxpayers dollar, when she's chancellor.

https://twitter.com/ArchRose90/statu...154349056?s=20

They're all two cheeks of the same arse.

jfman 22-05-2023 13:51
Re: The Chronicles of Rishi
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36152406)
and for a little whataboutery.
At least you recognise it for what it is.

Quote:
When Labour are in power we can expect them to look after the pennies. I'm sure Rachel Reeves will stop flying first class on £11K on taxpayers dollar, when she's chancellor.

https://twitter.com/ArchRose90/statu...154349056?s=20

They're all two cheeks of the same arse.
Out of touch yes (hence replacing the original photo), a breach of rules probably not. They’re only two cheeks of the same arse when there’s a Conservative scandal.

jonbxx 22-05-2023 15:30
Re: The Chronicles of Rishi
 
Apart from the fact that Rachel Reeves flew business class, not first class, the fares for business are a lot cheaper than first and the fares were paid for through donations rather than by the taxpayer, it's a scandal alright...

Ms NTL 22-05-2023 15:42
Re: The Chronicles of Rishi
 
I think Suella should be deported: her choice should be Mauritius, Kenya or Dallas, Texas.

1andrew1 22-05-2023 16:57
Re: The Chronicles of Rishi
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jonbxx (Post 36152411)
Apart from the fact that Rachel Reeves flew business class, not first class, the fares for business are a lot cheaper than first and the fares were paid for through donations rather than by the taxpayer, it's a scandal alright...
Well called out. So not even proper whataboutery.

Chris 22-05-2023 18:23
Re: The Chronicles of Rishi
 
The last time I had a role that came with the possibility of long-haul business travel the company rule was business class for all flights exceeding 4 hours. This was because they expected you to be able to get off the plane and work at the other end, and at have at least the possibility of working during the flight if need be.

TBH I’d expect any senior government minister traveling on government business to be in business class for the same reasons.

ianch99 22-05-2023 18:36
Re: The Chronicles of Rishi
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36152406)
and for a little whataboutery.

When Labour are in power we can expect them to look after the pennies. I'm sure Rachel Reeves will stop flying first class on £11K on taxpayers dollar, when she's chancellor.

https://twitter.com/ArchRose90/statu...154349056?s=20

They're all two cheeks of the same arse.
You're sounding desperate here

Paul 22-05-2023 21:14
Re: The Chronicles of Rishi
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36152390)
Just do it online.
I doubt thats an option anymore - it was done via Teams during the pandemic.

Pierre 22-05-2023 21:28
Re: The Chronicles of Rishi
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jonbxx (Post 36152411)
Apart from the fact that Rachel Reeves flew business class, not first class, the fares for business are a lot cheaper than first and the fares were paid for through donations rather than by the taxpayer, it's a scandal alright...
11k, bargain. I’m so happy I paid for it.

1andrew1 22-05-2023 21:29
Re: The Chronicles of Rishi
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36152452)
I doubt thats an option anymore - it was done via Teams during the pandemic.
My mum did it last week on Teams. The in-person sessions were fully booked up for two months but spaces were available online. It was subcontracted by the Metropolitan Police to AA Drivetech.

Pierre 22-05-2023 21:29
Re: The Chronicles of Rishi
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36152426)
You're sounding desperate here
Desperate for what?

1andrew1 22-05-2023 21:32
Re: The Chronicles of Rishi
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36152457)
11k, bargain. I’m so happy I paid for it.
Is that figure plucked from the air?

Hugh 22-05-2023 22:23
Re: The Chronicles of Rishi
 
1 Attachment(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36152460)
Is that figure plucked from the air?
https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...8&d=1684790546

Hugh 22-05-2023 22:28
Re: The Chronicles of Rishi
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36152457)
11k, bargain. I’m so happy I paid for it.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-b2280589.html

Quote:
A party donor paid for the flight, and a Labour spokeswoman said donations relating to the trip will be declared “in the usual manner”.

1andrew1 22-05-2023 22:41
Re: The Chronicles of Rishi
 
Quote:
A party donor paid for the flight,...
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36152457)
11k, bargain. I’m so happy I paid for it.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36152471)
I've read some strange things on this forum, but nothing, not even the infamous "Future of TV" threads, prepared me to read Pierre fess up as the Labour donor who paid for Rachel Reeves's flight! :D

I think he probably overpaid somewhat in his enthusiasm to help her though!

Pierre 23-05-2023 10:10
Re: The Chronicles of Rishi
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36152473)
I've read some strange things on this forum, but nothing, not even the infamous "Future of TV" threads, prepared me to read Pierre fess up as the Labour donor who paid for Rachel Reeves's flight! :D

I think he probably overpaid somewhat in his enthusiasm to help her though!
guilty as charged, I had to sell the car.

TheDaddy 23-05-2023 13:42
Re: The Chronicles of Rishi
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36152299)
Perhaps the Ministerial Code needs reviewing. It is bogging us all down with trivia.
It's breaking that Cruella is involved with a Rwandan charity that's been training lawyers for five years, so bogged down with personal interests and corruption

OLD BOY 30-05-2023 12:17
Re: The Chronicles of Rishi
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 36152508)
It's breaking that Cruella is involved with a Rwandan charity that's been training lawyers for five years, so bogged down with personal interests and corruption
So what?

Hugh 30-05-2023 13:55
Re: The Chronicles of Rishi
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 36152508)
It's breaking that Cruella is involved with a Rwandan charity that's been training lawyers for five years, so bogged down with personal interests and corruption
Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36152998)
So what?
Quote:
“several people the charity worked with are now key members of president Paul Kagame’s government and are involved in the UK’s £140m deal to send asylum seekers to Rwanda”.
https://www.civilsociety.co.uk/news/...rity-link.html

OLD BOY 30-05-2023 19:16
Re: The Chronicles of Rishi
 
Why is that corrupt? Do you have any evidence of that?

Bloody hell, you would make it impossible for the government to govern if you were in charge of the rules!

Maybe you think government ministers should imprison themselves within their own four walls to avoid meeting someone they may have associated with at some point who now has a different role. :rolleyes:

Hugh 30-05-2023 20:30
Re: The Chronicles of Rishi
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36153038)
Why is that corrupt? Do you have any evidence of that?

Bloody hell, you would make it impossible for the government to govern if you were in charge of the rules!

Maybe you think government ministers should imprison themselves within their own four walls to avoid meeting someone they may have associated with at some point who now has a different role. :rolleyes:
No one is saying that - what they are saying is that she should have declared a possible conflict of interest.

You may wish to get a taller step-ladder to help you get off your high horse… ;)

Sephiroth 30-05-2023 21:01
Re: The Chronicles of Rishi
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36153042)
No one is saying that - what they are saying is that she should have declared a possible conflict of interest.

You may wish to get a taller step-ladder to help you get off your high horse… ;)
hmmm - look who's talking.

OLD BOY 01-06-2023 17:25
Re: The Chronicles of Rishi
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36153042)
No one is saying that - what they are saying is that she should have declared a possible conflict of interest.

You may wish to get a taller step-ladder to help you get off your high horse… ;)
Is that right? And where did anyone say that?

Hugh 01-06-2023 17:49
Re: The Chronicles of Rishi
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36153156)
Is that right? And where did anyone say that?
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-b2345537.html

Quote:
One former minister told The Independent that the home secretary “never mentioned” her work with the charity and should have been “upfront and transparent”, while two former standards chiefs said Ms Braverman should have formally disclosed her former role.
Quote:
Sir Alex Allan, the former adviser on ministerial standards who quit under Boris Johnson, said the home secretary’s past work should have been declared after she became responsible for the Rwanda deal.

“I would have thought that it would be an issue that she would have had to discuss with the Home Office permanent secretary,” he added. “There would have been an internal discussion.”

The former minister said Ms Braverman should have referenced any previous work with the Rwandan government to colleagues: “It absolutely has to be flagged - this is all part of the ministerial code.”


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