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Dave42 02-10-2022 20:12
Re: New Prime Minister: Liz Truss
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36135730)
It’s just ‘imagined’, Richard. Like ‘The Crown’. The reporters weren’t present for private conversations and therefore they have to make their best guess, which, I dare say, is often wrong.

In this case, it is more likely that Liz was asked for her advice and she gave it. No stronger than that. The PM and the Monarch have respectful conversations with one and other.

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Don’t be ridiculous, Dave. The energy bills help costs far, far more than the small amount we are talking about from bringing the additional rate of tax into line with the higher rate. And if it brings in more income for public services, why object?

Ah, yes, it’s that little green devil sitting on your shoulder, isn’t it?
so pointing the fact that it only the top 1% that win is envy dont be silly OB even lots of tories know it wrong and are against it have they got the little green devil too?

Mr K 02-10-2022 20:40
Re: New Prime Minister: Liz Truss
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36135730)



Ah, yes, it’s that little green devil sitting on your shoulder, isn’t it?
You sound a bit angry OB. I'm not surprised. Both your heroes, Bonking Boris and Dizzy Lizzy have let you down. Who to support next?

If I were you I'd put my faith in the Lord. He alone will see you right, as long as you repent of your sins. My 'thought for the day' on a Sunday.... ;)

1andrew1 02-10-2022 20:57
Re: New Prime Minister: Liz Truss
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36135740)
You sound a bit angry OB. I'm not surprised. Both your heroes, Bonking Boris and Dizzy Lizzy have let you down. Who to support next?

If I were you I'd put my faith in the Lord. He alone will see you right, as long as you repent of your sins. My 'thought for the day' on a Sunday.... ;)
Old Boy probably does not have Shell shares unlike you, so won't have benefited from the mini budget to quite the same extent. Here's a bit of light relief for him :D
Quote:
Dear Sir Keir, Operation Destroy Tories has begun. Actually I should give it a more secret name

THIS is the mole talking, Sir Keir. You know, your agent inside the Tories. Liz. Liz Truss. Anyway, stage one complete: pound devalued, economy ruined, job done.

It worked just like you said it would. I told Kwasi ‘we need to focus on growth at all costs’ and ‘household finances are not my priority’ and his eyes lit up. Straight away he outlines all these tax cuts that actually sound brilliant.

It’s very exciting. When Labour recruited me from the Lib Dems all those years ago – ‘the Lib Dems are the perfect cover, nobody gives a shit about them’ – I expected thrills and did not get them. Even being in cabinet was dull. All I did to help the socialist cause was open the shit pipes.

But now I’m at the heart of government bringing it down. Nobody seems to suspect a thing, even when I made Jacob energy secretary which I worried was a dead giveaway.

The plan’s on track. The tax cuts are in, parliament’s ready to revolt, Labour are 17 points ahead in the polls. Operation Destroy Tories is working a treat though it needs a more secret name. Operation Truss No-one? That’s got my name in it.
https://www.thedailymash.co.uk/premi...20220928226239

Mr K 02-10-2022 21:02
Re: New Prime Minister: Liz Truss
 
As that old song goes ' things can only get better' ;)
https://mobile.twitter.com/BritainEl...17377874419712
Quote:
Westminster voting intention:

LAB: 50% (+10)
CON: 20% (-8)
LDEM: 9% (-1)
GRN: 8% (-)

via @PeoplePolling, 29 Sep

Chris 02-10-2022 22:11
Re: New Prime Minister: Liz Truss
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36135742)
As that old song goes ' things can only get better' ;)
https://mobile.twitter.com/BritainEl...17377874419712
Nothing like an outlier … ;)

Opinium has Lab 46 / Con 27 this weekend which obviously is still awful but not quite so autre as PeoplePolling (who?)

Electoral Calculus maintains an aggregate poll which presently suggests 45/30 to Lab resulting in 388 seats for Labour and a 100+ majority. Regardless of what they say about mid term dips, that doesn’t look good for Truss.

https://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/homepage.html

Dave42 02-10-2022 22:33
Re: New Prime Minister: Liz Truss
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36135730)
It’s just ‘imagined’, Richard. Like ‘The Crown’. The reporters weren’t present for private conversations and therefore they have to make their best guess, which, I dare say, is often wrong.

In this case, it is more likely that Liz was asked for her advice and she gave it. No stronger than that. The PM and the Monarch have respectful conversations with one and other.

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Don’t be ridiculous, Dave. The energy bills help costs far, far more than the small amount we are talking about from bringing the additional rate of tax into line with the higher rate. And if it brings in more income for public services, why object?

Ah, yes, it’s that little green devil sitting on your shoulder, isn’t it?
and another point OB Keeping tax low for the rich does not boost economy

https://www.lse.ac.uk/News/Latest-ne...s-for-the-rich

the London school of economics it hardly leftie is it read the report it show it won't work trickle down economics don't work Sunak was right about the plans of Truss it madness

OLD BOY 02-10-2022 23:08
Re: New Prime Minister: Liz Truss
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave42 (Post 36135737)
so pointing the fact that it only the top 1% that win is envy dont be silly OB even lots of tories know it wrong and are against it have they got the little green devil too?
Actually , it is the lack of detail about how it will be paid for that is the issue. That’s why Liz has delayed the reduction in tax until late November, when the whole package will be set out.

It’s a storm in a tea cup.

Chris 02-10-2022 23:48
Re: New Prime Minister: Liz Truss
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36135745)
Actually , it is the lack of detail about how it will be paid for that is the issue. That’s why Liz has delayed the reduction in tax until late November, when the whole package will be set out.

It’s a storm in a tea cup.
The only thing in your tea cup is undiluted copium. Seriously in recent weeks you’ve gone from mildly mulish to downright deluded. Plenty of senior Tories with actual cabinet experience are refusing to try to peddle the lines you keep pushing here. And more than a few of them think the mini budget won’t survive a Commons vote with the 45p rate cut in it.

RichardCoulter 03-10-2022 00:05
Re: New Prime Minister: Liz Truss
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36135746)
The only thing in your tea cup is undiluted copium. Seriously in recent weeks you’ve gone from mildly mulish to downright deluded. Plenty of senior Tories with actual cabinet experience are refusing to try to peddle the lines you keep pushing here. And more than a few of them think the mini budget won’t survive a Commons vote with the 45p rate cut in it.
Isn't it practice for budgetary matters to be waived through? It said on TV today that it's something to do with supply and confidence (I think).Sounds similar to the deal that the Tories had with the DUP.

Maybe this is so serious that custom and practice will go out of the window.

You are right in saying that this a mini budget. Calling this a 'fiscal evenr' is like Putin calling the Ukraine war a 'special operation'.

I have friends right across the political spectrum and our of the staunch Tory supporters, only one is trying to defend this. There's loyalty and stupidity.

What I can't understand is that, of it is correct that reducing the tax rate results in higher tax revenue, why not cut the basic rate to, for example, 5%?

Also, I can't understand why increased wages (this might also be used to defend benefit/pension cuts) is said to sttoke inflation. However, cutting the tax for bankets & those earning over £150,000 a year is said to 'stimulate the economy'!!

1andrew1 03-10-2022 00:11
Re: New Prime Minister: Liz Truss
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36135746)
The only thing in your tea cup is undiluted copium. Seriously in recent weeks you’ve gone from mildly mulish to downright deluded. Plenty of senior Tories with actual cabinet experience are refusing to try to peddle the lines you keep pushing here. And more than a few of them think the mini budget won’t survive a Commons vote with the 45p rate cut in it.
I'm not an ex-cabinet minister but I can't see enough MPs voting through the 45% tax rate removal nor the reduction in Corporation Tax. The reduction in the basic tax rate to 19% and the reversal of the NI hike are more likely. Not sure about the reduction in stamp duty.

The supply side measures to open up the labour market to more foreign workers won't prove popular with the Brexity wing of the party and those in red wall seats but do have economic logic if you're increasing spending.

RichardCoulter 03-10-2022 00:21
Re: New Prime Minister: Liz Truss
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36135749)
I'm not an ex-cabinet minister but I can't see enough MPs voting through the 45% tax rate removal nor the reduction in Corporation Tax. The reduction in the basic tax rate to 19% and the reversal of the NI hike are more likely. Not sure about the reduction in stamp duty.

The supply side measures to open up the labour market to more foreign workers won't prove popular with the Brexity wing of the party and those in red wall seats but do have economic logic if you're increasing spending.
Good point Andrew. I myself have previously complained about the number of EU workers coming to the UK. Now that they aren't here, it's clear that we needed them.

I think that a lot of the resentment was caused by not enough housing, education places, healthcare etc being increased to cope with them and UK nationals feeling that they were losing out.

Some hospitality venues are having to temporarily close at times because there simply isn't enough staff which, apart from anything else, cannot be good for the economy.

jfman 03-10-2022 03:03
Re: New Prime Minister: Liz Truss
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36135745)
Actually , it is the lack of detail about how it will be paid for that is the issue. That’s why Liz has delayed the reduction in tax until late November, when the whole package will be set out.

It’s a storm in a tea cup.
:rofl:

It's a growth plan that doesn't grow the economy, that's the problem. :rofl:

RichardCoulter 03-10-2022 04:01
Re: New Prime Minister: Liz Truss
 
I know how she'll pay for it. It'll be the sick, disabled and families on Tax Credits/Universal Credit, most of whom are working

It said on the BBC news last night that to pay for the tax cuts they will have to make cuts comparable to the ones that Osborne made in the 2010 austerity budget.

The main targets will be the projects that form part of levelling up, cuts to the budget to improve things like the NHS after the pandemic or welfare benefits.

She won't want to lose votes by doing the first two, so it will be the easy target once again.

Damien 03-10-2022 06:52
Re: New Prime Minister: Liz Truss
 
The Lady is for Turning (no one else will make that joke today): https://twitter.com/BethRigby/status...09298734505984

Quote:
Understand (as per @MrHarryCole) that the govt will NOT proceed with abolIshing the 45p top rate of tax - announcement expected soon

peanut 03-10-2022 07:34
Re: New Prime Minister: Liz Truss
 
What a total shitshow. No credibility and just out of their depth.

jfman 03-10-2022 07:36
Re: New Prime Minister: Liz Truss
 
:rofl:

I almost spat out the gruel I’m having for breakfast.

peanut 03-10-2022 07:42
Re: New Prime Minister: Liz Truss
 
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denphone 03-10-2022 07:51
Re: New Prime Minister: Liz Truss
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36135760)
:rofl:

I almost spat out the gruel I’m having for breakfast.
l thought croissants would have been more your taste.:)

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36135758)
The Lady is for Turning (no one else will make that joke today): https://twitter.com/BethRigby/status...09298734505984
One thing is for certain and that she is no Margaret Thatcher.

papa smurf 03-10-2022 08:01
Re: New Prime Minister: Liz Truss
 
Pounds up on the markets

1andrew1 03-10-2022 08:03
Re: New Prime Minister: Liz Truss
 
Anyone apart from me anticipating a post along the lines of "You lot weren't happy when Truss proposed removing the 45% tax band. Now she's no longer proposing it you are still unhappy. No pleasing some people." :D

Mr K 03-10-2022 08:03
Re: New Prime Minister: Liz Truss
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36135745)
Actually , it is the lack of detail about how it will be paid for that is the issue. That’s why Liz has delayed the reduction in tax until late November, when the whole package will be set out.

It’s a storm in a tea cup.
It's heck of a big tea cup and storm this morning OB. Have a laugh at the Torygraph readers comments, all
very entertaining.

So is she a weak u-turner or incompetent? You tell us, because it"s one or the other.

1andrew1 03-10-2022 08:18
Re: New Prime Minister: Liz Truss
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36135767)
It's heck of a big tea cup and storm this morning OB. Have a laugh at the Torygraph readers comments, all
very entertaining.

So is she a weak u-turner or incompetent? You tell us, because it"s one or the other.
Sorry Mr K, I beg to differ.

She is undoubtedly both! :D

GrimUpNorth 03-10-2022 08:22
Re: New Prime Minister: Liz Truss
 
So it took just over a week. How many £billions a day did their incompetence cost us?

peanut 03-10-2022 08:28
Re: New Prime Minister: Liz Truss
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by GrimUpNorth (Post 36135769)
So it took just over a week. How many £billions a day did their incompetence cost us?
It wasn't incompetence, this U-turn happened because it was a distraction. :erm:

mrmistoffelees 03-10-2022 08:34
Re: New Prime Minister: Liz Truss
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by GrimUpNorth (Post 36135769)
So it took just over a week. How many £billions a day did their incompetence cost us?

How many millions/billions did some make from this ?

papa smurf 03-10-2022 08:37
Re: New Prime Minister: Liz Truss
 
I can't understand why the small change the 45% tax attracts has has upset the lefty wingnut media and tory traitors so much, and 40% tax didn't upset labour when Gordon Brown was chancellor.

denphone 03-10-2022 08:41
Re: New Prime Minister: Liz Truss
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36135772)
I can't understand why the small change the 45% tax attracts has has upset the lefty wingnut media and tory traitors so much, and 40% tax didn't upset labour when Gordon Brown was chancellor.

Is that the rumoured growing 50 plus Tory MPs who were going to have their whip withdrawn from them for not kowtowing to the party line.

mrmistoffelees 03-10-2022 08:46
Re: New Prime Minister: Liz Truss
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36135772)
I can't understand why the small change the 45% tax attracts has has upset the lefty wingnut media and tory traitors so much, and 40% tax didn't upset labour when Gordon Brown was chancellor.
The actions by the 'supposed lefty wingnut media' and 'tory traitors' might just go some way to help minimise any potential losses to your state pension, i'd stop your whining and start thinking of the potential benefits if i were you.

You would be one of the first to complain should you lose out.

Chris 03-10-2022 08:51
Re: New Prime Minister: Liz Truss
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36135772)
I can't understand why the small change the 45% tax attracts has has upset the lefty wingnut media and tory traitors so much, and 40% tax didn't upset labour when Gordon Brown was chancellor.
Because it was unfunded and therefore suggests Truss & Kwarteng either don’t know what theyre doing or have a cavalier attitude to risk. And the pound’s slump against the dollar wasn’t caused by lefty wingnuts or disloyal Tories, it was caused by the markets, which are nervous of economically illiterate governments.

jfman 03-10-2022 08:51
Re: New Prime Minister: Liz Truss
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 36135771)
How many millions/billions did some make from this ?
That’s the most pertinent question. A policy that wasn’t a manifesto commitment, or a campaign promise, announced that moved the market that much without consultation with Cabinet or MPs, completely uncosted with no OBR analysis. And not announced at a budget either.

Don’t presume incompetence when the stench of corruption isn’t far from this Conservative party.

denphone 03-10-2022 08:54
Re: New Prime Minister: Liz Truss
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 36135774)
The actions by the 'supposed lefty wingnut media' and 'tory traitors' might just go some way to help minimise any potential losses to your state pension, i'd stop your whining and start thinking of the potential benefits if i were you.

You would be one of the first to complain should you lose out.
l don't know why some on here can't debate properly without resorting to using certain labels for others on here.

GrimUpNorth 03-10-2022 08:57
Re: New Prime Minister: Liz Truss
 
And if you're one of those who may be a bit miffed about this U-turn and the hit to your income then perhaps you should follow the government advice and work harder, or find a better paid job or even take on a second or third (zero hours and/or minimum wage) job to help improve your lot, because after all with trickle down economics the extra money you'll 'earn' will surely help everyone else out too.

Could this lot make us an even bigger laughing stock then we are already? You bet they can and I'd not be surprised if they were already working on what they'll cock-up next.

Dave42 03-10-2022 09:03
Re: New Prime Minister: Liz Truss
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36135754)
:rofl:

It's a growth plan that doesn't grow the economy, that's the problem. :rofl:
exactly :clap::clap: and austerity on steroids is on its way

peanut 03-10-2022 09:07
Re: New Prime Minister: Liz Truss
 
Kwasi Kwarty's position is now down the karzy.

RichardCoulter 03-10-2022 09:13
Re: New Prime Minister: Liz Truss
 
What wonderful news to wake up to. Let's hope that they don't still go ahead and cut pensions or benefits.

mrmistoffelees 03-10-2022 09:15
Re: New Prime Minister: Liz Truss
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by GrimUpNorth (Post 36135778)
And if you're one of those who may be a bit miffed about this U-turn and the hit to your income then perhaps you should follow the government advice and work harder, or find a better paid job or even take on a second or third (zero hours and/or minimum wage) job to help improve your lot, because after all with trickle down economics the extra money you'll 'earn' will surely help everyone else out too.

Could this lot make us an even bigger laughing stock then we are already? You bet they can and I'd not be surprised if they were already working on what they'll cock-up next.
I will be one of those affected by the uturn (but not by much) i firmly believe those who earn more should pay more to support those who need it most

the reversal of the 5% won't impact my quality of living whatsoever, the tex revenue staying the same however might just help others.

denphone 03-10-2022 09:19
Re: New Prime Minister: Liz Truss
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 36135781)
What wonderful news to wake up to. Let's hope that they don't still go ahead and cut pensions or benefits.
Cutting the 45% tax rate while seriously considering making cuts to pensions and benefits in a cost of living crisis did not sit well with a lot of voters in this country and a increasing amount of Conservative MPs it seems in these past few days.

Many thought it was morally reprehensible.

Pierre 03-10-2022 09:24
Re: New Prime Minister: Liz Truss
 
The 45% rate is more symbolic than anything else. It doesn't raise that much for the exchequer in the great scheme of things and no body really complains about paying it it which is why it was such a surprise they proposed to get rid of it.

mrmistoffelees 03-10-2022 09:26
Re: New Prime Minister: Liz Truss
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36135784)
The 45% rate is more symbolic than anything else. It doesn't raise that much for the exchequer in the great scheme of things and no body really complains about paying it it which is why it was such a surprise they proposed to get rid of it.
You have a point, but surely every little helps ?

RichardCoulter 03-10-2022 09:35
Re: New Prime Minister: Liz Truss
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 36135782)
I will be one of those affected by the uturn (but not by much) i firmly believe those who earn more should pay more to support those who need it most

the reversal of the 5% won't impact my quality of living whatsoever, the tex revenue staying the same however might just help others.
Agreed, however if, as they claim, that cutting tax results in more money being raised, where will they get the money lost as a result of this U turn?

jfman 03-10-2022 09:37
Re: New Prime Minister: Liz Truss
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 36135789)
Agreed, however if, as they claim, that cutting tax results in more money being raised, where will they get the money lost as a result of this U turn?
:rofl:

They were pulling our legs, Richard

On a separate note we’ve now a new caretaker Government. The Sunaka, Goves and Shapps of this world know she’s irreparably damaged. Every policy will be under more scrutiny. Tories will be jostling for position at her inevitable reshuffle to reset the government.

She should publish the OBR analysis and call a general election with the abolishing the 45p tax rate in it. It’s the only way she will have a mandate to govern from here on in.

Damien 03-10-2022 09:55
Re: New Prime Minister: Liz Truss
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36135784)
The 45% rate is more symbolic than anything else. It doesn't raise that much for the exchequer in the great scheme of things and no body really complains about paying it it which is why it was such a surprise they proposed to get rid of it.
Yup. It was politically boneheaded, it was entirely self-inflicted.

Their reasoning didn't make much sense either. How many people are really going to move to the U.K, or not move out, because of the 5%? People live here because it's their home, it's a good country to live in, and they want to live in a certain location for the amenities it proves. Anyone who locates because of tax rates are not going to move to a country where it's still relatively high. They'll go to a tax haven. Not to mention that anyone with so much wealth they can pick and choose a country on a whim are likely not getting their wealth via PAYE.

Maggy 03-10-2022 10:32
Re: New Prime Minister: Liz Truss
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36135794)
Yup. It was politically boneheaded, it was entirely self-inflicted.

Their reasoning didn't make much sense either. How many people are really going to move to the U.K, or not move out, because of the 5%? People live here because it's their home, it's a good country to live in, and they want to live in a certain location for the amenities it proves. Anyone who locates because of tax rates are not going to move to a country where it's still relatively high. They'll go to a tax haven. Not to mention that anyone with so much wealth they can pick and choose a country on a whim are likely not getting their wealth via PAYE.
:tu:

denphone 03-10-2022 10:48
Re: New Prime Minister: Liz Truss
 
Kwasi Kwarteng confirms further cuts of up to £18bn for public services.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-b2191341.html

Dave42 03-10-2022 11:57
Re: New Prime Minister: Liz Truss
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 36135800)
Kwasi Kwarteng confirms further cuts of up to £18bn for public services.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-b2191341.html
more austerity what a shock NOTTT they trying to kill off the public services which are on there knees.

see he scrapped 45% tax cut because was going to be a big rebellion on the tory benches well done the tory rebels

Paul 03-10-2022 12:01
Re: New Prime Minister: Liz Truss
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36135784)
The 45% rate is more symbolic than anything else. It doesn't raise that much for the exchequer in the great scheme of things and no body really complains about paying it it which is why it was such a surprise they proposed to get rid of it.
Pretty much what I said at the start.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36134823)
The removal of the 45% band is, however, perplexing, it helps no one who needs it, and those who will "benefit" will likely not even notice.
It was just a bad idea that no one needed.

1andrew1 03-10-2022 13:18
Re: New Prime Minister: Liz Truss
 
Dorries wants an election!
Quote:
Nadine Dorries, who was a culture secretary under Boris Johnson before supporting Liz Truss, has suggested Ms Truss should call a general election.

She appears to be disgruntled with the PM rowing back on policy promised in the 2019 Conservative manifesto.

Ms Dorries said: "Widespread dismay at the fact that three years of work has effectively been put on hold.

"No one asked for this. Channel 4 sale, online safety, BBC licence fee review - all signed off by cabinet all ready to go, all stopped.

"If Liz wants a whole new mandate, she must take to the country."
12.24pm https://news.sky.com/story/politics-...truss-12593360

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What next? Michael Gove as PM?
Quote:
One of the things that has been striking as you tour the conference
hotel bars is the amount of poison that is being dripped in ears.

"This has an end of days feel," one minister tells me.

Others are sanguine about changing career after losing their seats.

One big donor was blunt in their assessment of Liz Truss, saying simply: "She's finished."

As for potential successors, Boris Johnson, Mr Gove, Penny Mordaunt and Rishi Sunak are being talked about as possible next PMs.
10.38am https://news.sky.com/story/politics-...truss-12593360

denphone 03-10-2022 13:25
Re: New Prime Minister: Liz Truss
 
We have already had 4 Tory leaders in 6 years.

Not sure the public would want to witness yet another leadership contest.

Dave42 03-10-2022 13:32
Re: New Prime Minister: Liz Truss
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36135819)
Dorries wants an election!

12.24pm https://news.sky.com/story/politics-...truss-12593360

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What next? Michael Gove as PM?

10.38am https://news.sky.com/story/politics-...truss-12593360
people need to remember she had less that half of MP's voting for her in leadership election

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Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 36135822)
We have already had 4 Tory leaders in 6 years.

Not sure the public would want to witness yet another leadership contest.
we need a general election Den but the tories are not going to vote themselves into a massive defeat

denphone 03-10-2022 13:39
Re: New Prime Minister: Liz Truss
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave42 (Post 36135823)
people need to remember she had less that half of MP's voting for her in leadership election

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we need a general election Den but they not going to vote themselves into a massive defeat
As the saying goes turkeys don't vote for Christmas.

1andrew1 03-10-2022 13:42
Re: New Prime Minister: Liz Truss
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 36135822)
We have already had 4 Tory leaders in 6 years.

Not sure the public would want to witness yet another leadership contest.
There's talk of changing the rules so we just have a vote by Conservative MPs.

Hugh 03-10-2022 13:42
Re: New Prime Minister: Liz Truss
 
Quote:
Lee Anderson(Tory MP) - "It wasn't a U-turn... it's a change of direction"
https://twitter.com/haggis_uk/status...oliPKUTD_li_HA

Dave42 03-10-2022 13:45
Re: New Prime Minister: Liz Truss
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36135827)
they must think the public are all idiots some of the things they come out with

jfman 03-10-2022 13:59
Re: New Prime Minister: Liz Truss
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 36135822)
We have already had 4 Tory leaders in 6 years.

Not sure the public would want to witness yet another leadership contest.
A coalition of chaos.

mrmistoffelees 03-10-2022 14:04
Re: New Prime Minister: Liz Truss
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 36135825)
As the saying goes turkeys don't vote for Christmas.
Depending on your perspective you could argue the electorate did just that not so long ago….;)

1andrew1 03-10-2022 14:07
Re: New Prime Minister: Liz Truss
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36135827)
The money was just resting in my account/It was not a u-turn just a change of direction of a few degrees...180 for the nit-pickers amongst you!:D

Mr K 03-10-2022 14:40
Re: New Prime Minister: Liz Truss
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 36135822)
We have already had 4 Tory leaders in 6 years.

Not sure the public would want to witness yet another leadership contest.
Maybe the public should be allowed to choose the PM next time? We are a democracy allegedly, and the Tories are crap at choosing.

Pierre 03-10-2022 14:44
Re: New Prime Minister: Liz Truss
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36135839)
Maybe the public should be allowed to choose the PM next time? We are a democracy allegedly, and the Tories are crap at choosing.
Yes, would have been great if we could have chosen between Brown and Cameron two years earlier, we wouldn't have had to suffer Brown for two years.

jfman 03-10-2022 14:53
Re: New Prime Minister: Liz Truss
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36135840)
Yes, would have been great if we could have chosen between Brown and Cameron two years earlier, we wouldn't have had to suffer Brown for two years.
They’d probably have picked Brown at the time but he bottled going for the early election.

ianch99 03-10-2022 14:53
Re: New Prime Minister: Liz Truss
 
So in, summary, tax cut that lasted a week forced the Bank of England to spend £65 billion to buy gilts.

Anyone out there still plans to vote Tory in the next GE?

1andrew1 03-10-2022 14:56
Re: New Prime Minister: Liz Truss
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36135840)
Yes, would have been great if we could have chosen between Brown and Cameron two years earlier, we wouldn't have had to suffer Brown for two years.
Hmm, without Brown we wouldn't have had Bank of England independence which saved the country from totally going down the swanny last week!

denphone 03-10-2022 15:00
Re: New Prime Minister: Liz Truss
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36135843)
So in, summary, tax cut that lasted a week forced the Bank of England to spend £65 billion to buy gilts.

Anyone out there still plans to vote Tory in the next GE?
Tax cuts allied with deep spending cuts are only supported by 6% of voters.

If the Tories go down that route the omens are not good according to pollsters.

The public want well supported public services and not public services cut to the bone..

Damien 03-10-2022 15:02
Re: New Prime Minister: Liz Truss
 
No, we shouldn't have an election for a new Prime Minister.

It isn't just that it isn't how our system works it's also that we've had plenty of examples that it isn't how our system works that no one can pretend they're not aware of it. We elect only Parliaments and not Presidents.

Chris 03-10-2022 15:07
Re: New Prime Minister: Liz Truss
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36135843)
So in, summary, tax cut that lasted a week forced the Bank of England to spend £65 billion to buy gilts.

Anyone out there still plans to vote Tory in the next GE?
I've moved from a three-way marginal to a safe(ish) seat held by the SNP but definitely winnable by Labour. I was always going to have to hold my nose and vote for the red team if only to get the nat out. But now I won't have to hold my nose quite so hard.

jfman 03-10-2022 15:14
Re: New Prime Minister: Liz Truss
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36135846)
No, we shouldn't have an election for a new Prime Minister.

It isn't just that it isn't how our system works it's also that we've had plenty of examples that it isn't how our system works that no one can pretend they're not aware of it. We elect only Parliaments and not Presidents.
We elect parties on manifestos. Love or loathe Johnson, he delivered the current majority on the back of that manifesto.

If a successor PM seeks to, in absolute terms, deviate significantly from that. Puts on hold legislation already in train by his or her predecessor, then absolutely they should have the spine to put their vision to the electorate.

For anyone worried I’ve checked in on Comical Ali. “Last Activity: Today 12:49”. Presumably waiting for a line from CCHQ.

Julian 03-10-2022 15:47
Re: New Prime Minister: Liz Truss
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36135848)
We elect parties on manifestos. Love or loathe Johnson, he delivered the current majority on the back of that manifesto.

If a successor PM seeks to, in absolute terms, deviate significantly from that. Puts on hold legislation already in train by his or her predecessor, then absolutely they should have the spine to put their vision to the electorate.

For anyone worried I’ve checked in on Comical Ali. “Last Activity: Today 12:49”. Presumably waiting for a line from CCHQ.
What is your obsession with Old Boy?

papa smurf 03-10-2022 15:52
Re: New Prime Minister: Liz Truss
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Julian (Post 36135849)
What is your obsession with Old Boy?
Unrequited love?

1andrew1 03-10-2022 16:02
Re: New Prime Minister: Liz Truss
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Julian (Post 36135849)
What is your obsession with Old Boy?
He has been the only person on here defending the mini budget.

jfman 03-10-2022 16:16
Re: New Prime Minister: Liz Truss
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36135853)
He has been the only person on here defending the mini budget.
Precisely.

It’s only understandable that we all have concern for him at this time.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36135852)
Unrequited love?
Only for you, papa.

Damien 03-10-2022 16:25
Re: New Prime Minister: Liz Truss
 
I am really hating the way they talk about the U.K being in managed decline and generally things being bad as if they haven't been in Government for 12 years.

jfman 03-10-2022 16:29
Re: New Prime Minister: Liz Truss
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36135856)
I am really hating the way they talk about the U.K being in managed decline and generally things being bad as if they haven't been in Government for 12 years.
30 of the last 43.

denphone 03-10-2022 16:58
Re: New Prime Minister: Liz Truss
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36135856)
I am really hating the way they talk about the U.K being in managed decline and generally things being bad as if they haven't been in Government for 12 years.
Covenient political amnesia.

Hugh 03-10-2022 17:00
Re: New Prime Minister: Liz Truss
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36135856)
I am really hating the way they talk about the U.K being in managed decline and generally things being bad as if they haven't been in Government for 12 years.
And members of the current Cabinet have held Government Office

Truss - 10 years
Coffey - 7 years
Kwarteng - 4 years
Cleverly - 3 years
Braverman - 3 years
Lewis - 10 years
Zahari - 4 years
Wallace - 7 years
Clarke - 3 years
Rees-Mogg - 3 years

Etc., etc…

So they’re blaming themselves?

denphone 03-10-2022 17:02
Re: New Prime Minister: Liz Truss
 
Two new opinion polls just released giving the Labour Party huge leads.


https://redfieldandwiltonstrategies....-october-2022/
Quote:

Redfield & Wilton Strategies’ latest voting intention poll in Great Britain finds the Labour Party leading by 28%, eleven points higher as in our most recent poll on 28-29 September, and the largest lead we’ve ever recorded for Labour over the Conservatives.

jfman 03-10-2022 17:05
Re: New Prime Minister: Liz Truss
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36135861)
So they’re blaming themselves?
I was at the front of the queue to welcome Liz Truss acknowledging 40 years of economic failure. I was somewhat surprised she proposed the same on steroids.

1andrew1 03-10-2022 17:37
Re: New Prime Minister: Liz Truss
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 36135862)
Two new opinion polls just released giving the Labour Party huge leads.

https://redfieldandwiltonstrategies....-october-2022/
Once those uncapped bankers' bonuses start trickling down, I'm sure people's votes will change. :D

jfman 03-10-2022 17:41
Re: New Prime Minister: Liz Truss
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36135868)
Once those uncapped bankers' bonuses start trickling down, I'm sure people's votes will change. :D
I'm no economist but given the tsumani of blue votes going red, trickle down economics needs to work a hundred thousand times harder than 1979-2022 to help a 2024 election.

denphone 03-10-2022 17:52
Re: New Prime Minister: Liz Truss
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36135869)
I'm no economist but given the tsumani of blue votes going red, trickle down economics needs to work a hundred thousand times harder than 1979-2022 to help a 2024 election.
l go back to the seventies, 1992, 2008 and 2022 looks like another year where the governing party's reputation for economic competence crashed through the floor.

ianch99 03-10-2022 17:54
Re: New Prime Minister: Liz Truss
 
On the subject of banker's bonuses, you may not realise that the EU rule that they are repealing caps bonuses at a maximum of 200% of the base salary.

Can anyone here tell me who is getting a 200%+ bonus on top of their base salary?

jfman 03-10-2022 17:59
Re: New Prime Minister: Liz Truss
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36135872)
On the subject of banker's bonuses, you may not realise that the EU rule that they are repealing caps bonuses at a maximum of 200% of the base salary.

Can anyone here tell me who is getting a 200%+ bonus on top of their base salary?
I'd start by asking Kwasi's mates betting heavily against the UK. Such a massively profitable exercise surely their foresight will be rewarded :rofl:

OLD BOY 03-10-2022 19:16
Re: New Prime Minister: Liz Truss
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36135872)
On the subject of banker's bonuses, you may not realise that the EU rule that they are repealing caps bonuses at a maximum of 200% of the base salary.

Can anyone here tell me who is getting a 200%+ bonus on top of their base salary?
You are missing two important points. Firstly, this move simply brings us into line with our competitors. Secondly, the cap didn’t even work, because employers simply raised basic pay to make up for the cap on bonuses.

But all you can see is they get much more than you. It’s time to start thinking about what’s in the interests of the economy. For God’s sake, we are relying on better economic performance to fund our public services. This is not the time to show jealousy towards people earning more than us when there is a greater good to be achieved.

GrimUpNorth 03-10-2022 19:24
Re: New Prime Minister: Liz Truss
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36135882)
You are missing two important points. Firstly, this move simply brings us into line with our competitors. Secondly, the cap didn’t even work, because employers simply raised basic pay to make up for the cap on bonuses.

But all you can see is they get much more than you. It’s time to start thinking about what’s in the interests of the economy. For God’s sake, we are relying on better economic performance to fund our public services. This is not the time to show jealousy towards people earning more than us when there is a greater good to be achieved.
If we only had better economic management, we might have a fighting chance of the performance your praying for.

OLD BOY 03-10-2022 19:26
Re: New Prime Minister: Liz Truss
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by GrimUpNorth (Post 36135884)
If we only had better economic management, we might have a fighting chance of the performance your praying for.
Unfortunately those opposing Liz Truss won’t let her.

1andrew1 03-10-2022 19:28
Re: New Prime Minister: Liz Truss
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36135882)
You are missing two important points. Firstly, this move simply brings us into line with our competitors. Secondly, the cap didn’t even work, because employers simply raised basic pay to make up for the cap on bonuses.

But all you can see is they get much more than you. It’s time to start thinking about what’s in the interests of the economy. For God’s sake, we are relying on better economic performance to fund our public services. This is not the time to show jealousy towards people earning more than us when there is a greater good to be achieved.
If you want long-term economic growth, you can't get it by the special brand of Corbynomics which you and Kwarteng have fallen head over heels for at the country's expense...literally!

You need increases in efficiency (such as increased automation, increased economies of scale) or increases in the workforce to grow the economy. What we've had is a reduction in productivity due to Brexit (knocking 4% off GDP) and a reduction in the workforce due to Covid (55+s quitting) and Brexit (with EU citizens returning home and not coming back to the UK).

OLD BOY 03-10-2022 19:37
Re: New Prime Minister: Liz Truss
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36135887)
If you want long-term economic growth, you can't get it by the special brand of Corbynomics which you and Kwarteng have fallen head over heels for at the country's expense...literally!

You need increases in efficiency (such as increased automation, increased economies of scale) or increases in the workforce to grow the economy. What we've had is a reduction in productivity due to Brexit (knocking 4% off GDP) and a reduction in the workforce due to Covid (55+s quitting) and Brexit (with EU citizens returning home and not coming back to the UK).
You can hardly associate the Truss/Kwartang plan as ‘Corbynomics’. They are wanting to grow the pie, not reduce it.

Mr K 03-10-2022 19:39
Re: New Prime Minister: Liz Truss
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36135889)
You can hardly associate the Truss/Kwartang plan as ‘Corbynomics’. They are wanting to grow the pie, not reduce it.
They are growing Labour's lead, nothing else.
Quote:
Westminster voting intention:

LAB: 52% (+6)
CON: 24% (-5)
LDEM: 10% (-3)
GRN: 5% (+1)

via
@RedfieldWilton
, 02 Oct
Chgs. w/ 29 Sep

GrimUpNorth 03-10-2022 19:42
Re: New Prime Minister: Liz Truss
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36135885)
Unfortunately those opposing Liz Truss won’t let her.
Quite rightly those Conservatives with a modicum of intelligence have decided letting her and her chancellor anywhere near the steering wheel is a recipe for electoral disaster. They've realised Liz and Kwasi are not on the same bus as competent fiscal management and both the buses are going in completely the opposite directions.

1andrew1 03-10-2022 19:45
Re: New Prime Minister: Liz Truss
 
When you don't do you homework properly...
Quote:
Robert Peston Why did KwasiKwarteng and Liz Truss drop the abolition of the 45p top tax rate? Because super wealthy donors to the Tory party told them “we don’t need the money, we don’t want the money and you are bringing us into disrepute”. This is the highest political farce.
https://twitter.com/Peston/status/1576855492382842880

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Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36135889)
You can hardly associate the Truss/Kwartang plan as ‘Corbynomics’. They are wanting to grow the pie, not reduce it.
That's what Corbyn said too. Both sets of policies just grow the debt and reduce GDP. The only difference is they attempt to cut a diminished pie in different proportions.

Dave42 03-10-2022 19:50
Re: New Prime Minister: Liz Truss
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36135893)
When you don't do you homework properly...

https://twitter.com/Peston/status/1576855492382842880

---------- Post added at 19:45 ---------- Previous post was at 19:43 ----------


That's what Corbyn said too. Both sets of policies are just re-slicing a cake made smaller by their bad policies.
exactly Andrew tory strategy seems to be just got to believe more and it make it work it utter madness it is just as bad as Corbyn's useless strategy too

jfman 03-10-2022 20:05
Re: New Prime Minister: Liz Truss
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36135882)
You are missing two important points. Firstly, this move simply brings us into line with our competitors.
Who? Where?

Quote:
What we've had is a reduction in productivity due to Brexit (knocking 4% off GDP)
A self inflicted wound. So we need 4% just to stand still :rofl:

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36135890)
They are growing Labour's lead, nothing else.
Magnificent work, I do say so.

Damien 03-10-2022 20:12
Re: New Prime Minister: Liz Truss
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36135882)
You are missing two important points. Firstly, this move simply brings us into line with our competitors. Secondly, the cap didn’t even work, because employers simply raised basic pay to make up for the cap on bonuses.

But all you can see is they get much more than you. It’s time to start thinking about what’s in the interests of the economy. For God’s sake, we are relying on better economic performance to fund our public services. This is not the time to show jealousy towards people earning more than us when there is a greater good to be achieved.
I would wait to see if they u-turn on this before defending to the hilt

jfman 03-10-2022 20:23
Re: New Prime Minister: Liz Truss
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY
But all you can see is they get much more than you. It’s time to start thinking about what’s in the interests of the economy.
Here's a thought OB, rather than speculate on the income, wealth or otherwise of forum members why don't you accept that your understanding of economics is bordering on illiterate?

In no way shape or form does the so called growth plan deliver growth, against any independent barometer.

It's an attack on the working people of this great nation, which explains why you salivate over the prospect of it more than those well known lefties Michael Gove, Rishi Sunak and Grant Shapps.

The good news is at £65bn the Bank of England bailout eclipse Brown's (well intentioned) losses on gold. So you can retire that old trope, old boy.

Hugh 03-10-2022 20:41
Re: New Prime Minister: Liz Truss
 
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-p...ost_type=share

Quote:
20:11
Long-awaited debt plan to be provided shortly

Faisal Islam
BBC Economics Editor

The government is to pull forward its long awaited debt plan from late November, the BBC understands.

The Treasury Select Committee, former Chancellor George Osborne, and many in the markets have advised the government not to allow a hiatus of several weeks’ market speculation over how its numbers will add up.

The chancellor told the Conservative conference that the figures would be provided “shortly” rather than 23 November.

While the date is to be confirmed, it could occur this month, after the Office for Budget Responsibility (OBR) told the Treasury it could complete its deliberations in a faster timeframe.

The OBR will cost all the policies announced by the chancellor and provide new numbers for borrowing.

The budget watchdog will also cast judgement on the government’s claims that its raft of reform policies will boost the growth of the economy.

The numbers will set the parameters for critical decisions on the extent of spending cuts required to meet the chancellor’s fiscal targets, given the £43bn in unaccounted tax cuts.

It is the latest sign that Number 11 is willing to do what it takes to regain confidence lost since the mini-budget, following the acknowledgement of problems with the mini-budget and the U-turn over the scrapping of the 45p rate.

But the decisions revealed by the OBR analysis will lead to a different set of tough decisions - how to make the numbers add up. Independent analysts say the scale of required cuts could rival the 2010 coalition austerity programme.

jfman 03-10-2022 20:45
Re: New Prime Minister: Liz Truss
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36135903)
I can't wait.

Who knows, the first report in 50 years of trickle down economics working in a major economy?

:rofl: Maybe not.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-63110543

Mad Nads says to call an election. I agree time to end rudderless leadership of the fifth, sixth, seventh? Largest economy in the world. I lose count (in dollars, purchasing power parity etc).

Sephiroth 03-10-2022 20:55
Re: New Prime Minister: Liz Truss
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36135872)
On the subject of banker's bonuses, you may not realise that the EU rule that they are repealing caps bonuses at a maximum of 200% of the base salary.

Can anyone here tell me who is getting a 200%+ bonus on top of their base salary?
That's a question rendered in leftie spite not logic. Bankers are not like the rest of us in terms of their jobs. Their industry provides a huge chunk of the UK's tax revenues and the more they earn, the more they pay.

jfman 03-10-2022 21:01
Re: New Prime Minister: Liz Truss
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36135905)
That's a question rendered in leftie spite not logic. Bankers are not like the rest of us in terms of their jobs. Their industry provides a huge chunk of the UK's tax revenues and the more they earn, the more they pay.
If they're that good it should be consolidated pay. Pay them millions. Taxed at 45% sounds good to me. Reasonable reward for a good day at work if the shareholders say so.

Bonuses encourages perverse behaviours at the roulette wheel underwritten by the taxpayer.

If they're not that good, or it depends on how well you know Kwasi Kwarteng or any of the insiders attempting to steer this hapless government then I'd suggest jail rather than reward.

Dave42 03-10-2022 21:04
Re: New Prime Minister: Liz Truss
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36135905)
That's a question rendered in leftie spite not logic. Bankers are not like the rest of us in terms of their jobs. Their industry provides a huge chunk of the UK's tax revenues and the more they earn, the more they pay.
and the bankers caused the 2008 world wide financial crisis started it America that is why EU made the banker bonus cap rule for

1andrew1 03-10-2022 21:15
Re: New Prime Minister: Liz Truss
 
Rees-Mogg's suggestions kicked into touch
Quote:
No 10 quashed ‘half-baked’ Rees-Mogg labour market reforms

Liz Truss, the UK prime minister, has quashed a series of “half-baked” ideas put forward by business secretary Jacob Rees-Mogg to radically reform Britain’s labour market.

Rees-Mogg wanted to slash workplace rights, including introducing a form of no-fault dismissal for higher earners and repealing the 48-hour week, according to senior government insiders.

But a Number 10 source said there were limits to Truss’s enthusiasm for deregulation: “Several unworkable and half-baked ideas have been suggested and have been rejected.”

In a sign of policy tensions with Rees-Mogg, the source added: “The prime minister wants to reduce burdens on small business but there’s not going to be a bonfire of employment regulation.”

As well as introducing no-fault dismissals for people earning more than £50k a year, Rees-Mogg suggested scrapping corporate reporting requirements for the gender pay gap and the speed with which companies pay their suppliers, said people with knowledge of the discussions.

The business secretary has also proposed removing rights that enable agency workers to “passport” to full employment rights, along with the repeal of the working time directive.

But Truss’s allies said Rees-Mogg’s ideas were either half-formed or unacceptable. The prime minister has said that she would not touch anybody’s holiday entitlement or make any significant changes to the working time directive.
http://12ft.io/proxy?q=https://www.f...2-d1553c6e47ec

Dave42 03-10-2022 21:15
Re: New Prime Minister: Liz Truss
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36135906)
If they're that good it should be consolidated pay. Pay them millions. Taxed at 45% sounds good to me. Reasonable reward for a good day at work if the shareholders say so.

Bonuses encourages perverse behaviours at the roulette wheel underwritten by the taxpayer.

If they're not that good, or it depends on how well you know Kwasi Kwarteng or any of the insiders attempting to steer this hapless government then I'd suggest jail rather than reward.
exactly this :clap::clap::clap:

jfman 03-10-2022 21:18
Re: New Prime Minister: Liz Truss
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36135908)
Rees-Mogg's suggestions kicked into touch

https://www.ft.com/content/799ed62c-...2-d1553c6e47ec
OB will be seething, these are a staple of the supply side reforms he has wet dreams about.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave42 (Post 36135909)
exactly this :clap::clap::clap:
If they're good pay them plenty, they deserve it. Tax it.

Job done.

Quote:
Originally Posted by FT (Andrew's link)
As well as introducing no-fault dismissals for people earning more than £50k a year
I thought we wanted to attract high earners :rofl:


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