Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 

Once again, your feels are not congruent with actuality.

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 

Typo, I think he means Kier. Sir Kier. You know, that shadowy Leader of the Labour Party…

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The one who travelled 265 miles for beer and pizza with his mates.

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You are absolutely right, OB, it wasn't a typo though, I think some in his own party know him as Keith, the boring chap.:)

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I smell lots of dead cats about, must be some thing to 'Operation Save Big Dog' ....
Let's hope it succeeds and Big Dog stays ;)

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We're on operation sir big hypocrite :beer:

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Cummings has said Boris Johnson knew about the party before it took place. Sky News claim to have two Downing Street sources confirming that: https://twitter.com/MrMKimber/status...62670266265600

Would mean Johnson lied to Parliament (hard to believe, I know)

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 

Order order we don't use that term we say misled;)

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Aha!

Only if you are an MP in the House of Commons - your cover is blown, Mark Francois… ;)

(and OB is probably JRM)

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 

From above Tweet "Sue Gray report may be delayed now".

Why am I not surprised?

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 

Again...

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Big Dog is innocent, leave him alone, he's doing fine. :)

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According to the above link people would rather have Rishi as PM than starmer………….

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Not surprising as Sunak is the most popular politician in the country at the moment. Furlough and Eat Out to Help Out would have been the main reasons. Labour will be hoping the reality of Government if he were to become the leader and the coming tax hike and costing of living increases will hit him.

This is probably why the possible candidates are holding back despite the risk that Johnson could sink the Tories with him. This is not a good time to take over.

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 

You would think that's a reason for Sunak to try and get a quick change of leadership in place before Awful April kicks in and Truss potentially becomes more popular in the Party.

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 

Truss is already a favourite of the party, she led the last Conservative Home rankings.

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 

We don’t need Sue’s report, to know No. 10 staff and Boris, broke lockdown rules.

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She would be my choice...

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That's probably why Johnson has set her the tough task of negotiating with the EU.

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Absolutely.

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Well, you shouldn’t be surprised. If these wreckers didn’t keep adding new allegations every day, it would be finished this week.

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 

[IMG][/IMG]I'm not surprised as I only said a few days ago
But we always had this early warning too.
https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...1&d=1642463422

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 

No doubt Nadine "I'm so thick I even tried to not talk like a scouser" Dorries would find something to defend if they had a party every day.

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If she carries on at her present rate, she's in danger of putting Old Boy out of a job. :D

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Absolutely, a remainer and former Libdem. Perfect.
Go Liz !

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Well, it is starting to get to the point where raking up a new party every day, from 15 months ago, is starting to get a bit silly. It's clear they did it regularly, when most likely they shouldn't have (based on the acid test that we wouldn't be allowed to) and that they need to take the punishment for doing it, but constantly raking up new instances of basically the same thing aren't really helping anyone.



The situation where doing it doesn't apply at the moment so everything would be historic, and they have apologised (in a way), we're unlikely to be in the situation where they can do it again (and if we were, what would happen then), I just don't think it's helpful.


And all this stuff they're bringing out as a dead cat to distract people and make Boris look popular again is just silly too. I have no idea how this BBC licence freeze thing is beneficial to anyone, it will no doubt lead to cuts in services probably at the local or live broadcast level as that will be the easiest to cut back on. The focus needs to be on removing all Covid restrictions (legally) and reverting to guidance (e.g. working from home and wearing a mask should be your choice not a legal one) to get the country back to pre-pandemic state as after almost 2 years of it people are now getting sick of it. Then they need to be delivering their levelling up agenda in the north which they promised in 2019.

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 

The ironical thing about the BBC situation is they're about the only organisation which hasn't been sent any leaked party emails or photos!

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 

The most damaging stuff has all gone to ITV.

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 

Bozo has to go, he's lost all credibility. He's a liability and completely untrustworthy. Dragging it out is just making him and his party look worse day by day. Not a lot more to say really.

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Apologies arent enough , it was breaking the law for which others were prosecuted and fined for.
Either they are saying the law doesn't apply to everyone, or they need to start again with new bunch of muppets running the country.

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 

You appear to be blaming the people reporting the fires, rather than the arsonists - perhaps if the people who set the rules & laws hadn’t kept breaking the rules and laws, there would have been nothing to report?

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Beggars belief that dom is now the go to guy for the truth.

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https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-b1994594.html

I don’t have a problem with Johnson commuting from Chequers to Downing Street during lockdown, as Mrs Johnson was in the "vulnerable" category (heavily pregnant), and was probably safer there, and Johnson was trying to deal with the COVID crisis - it’s just the bit at the end that raises doubts.

Why don’t they just say "No, we didn’t have any non-work visitors", rather than the phrase which dropped them in it before "The spokesman said there would have been staff at Chequers with the couple, and when asked if they had any non-work visitors he said: “Well, they were acting in accordance with the guidance and any subsequent legislation at all times."?.

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 

Keir Starmer is accused of flouting Covid rules banning political campaigners from meeting indoors during local ballots last year

Now it has emerged that the event may also have breached special guidelines published for the local election campaign.


This guidance said campaigners should not meet indoors and there should be no social use of committee rooms.

It also stated that work organising campaigns should be done virtually and should not take place in person.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...mpaigning.html

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 

I think you can also give some leeway to the Prime Minister to move between locations as well. The Chequers thing is a non-starter to me. Yeah if he had guests and another poxy party that's an issue obviously.

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Goes without saying they should take the punishment - at least what it would be if you or I had been doing it, as they are in a position of responsibility and need to set an example.


But I don't see what realistically they can do to put the matter right otherwise. They can't undo the parties.

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 

There's lots they can do, resign, clear the convictions of those prosecuted , take some responsibility instead of lies and /retractions when found out ..

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 

Don't want to alarm anyone, but I hear there's a shortage of popcorn in supermarkets, as the country stocks up in readiness for tomorrow's PMQs! :D

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That article is from December and pre-dates the recent party allegations, in particular the 100-invite May 20 one. Is it still relevant?

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Possibly for a different thread but, as there are more dead cats than a really bad vet coming from the Government, one issue hasn't reared its' head. Dmitry Grozoubinski a trade chap on Twitter pointed out;

That said, he followed up with;

Not sure what has changed but I would have thought that keeping people like Steve Baker and Andrew Bridgen on side would be helpful right now...

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 

Interesting point.

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Not exactly a strong defence of the PM from Sunak: https://twitter.com/joepike/status/1483407346906841088

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 

I decided to look up the full context of ‘damn with faint praise’. It’s rather good.

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 

Pretty much nails it.

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Take a look on youtube for "Cassette Boy - Rage Against the Party Machine" if you fancy a giggle this afternoon.

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Indeed, they should confess all to the police and let the system deal with it.


With all this coming out they're really going to struggle to get support if they try and extend Plan B especially face nappies. You only need to see what the comments are on a typical news article online to see how many people don't want it any more.

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 

"face nappies"?

Isn’t that something that "COVID-lovers" say?

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A categorical denial. Should he sue Cummings for slander?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-60039868

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 

Even though he is responding to a specific allegation the headline "No one warned me drinks event was against rules" is an awful one for him to have on the BBC News frontpage. People will think it's absurd.

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 

Tell us you haven’t seen "V for Vendetta" without telling us you haven’t seen "V for Vendetta"…

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...2&d=1642513442

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 

Looks like a poor mans Bruce Willis

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...1&d=1642525769

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 

An interesting aside is the rebranding from "alleged party" to "drinks event". Maybe Johnson was conscious of not making Raab's mistake when he called it a party and not an alleged party.

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 

so he made rules and doesn't know his own made rules yeah right

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He didn't know the rules because he had work to do when the Prime Minister was announcing the rules on television.

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 

He is either totally incompetent or a liar! Which is it, Prime Minister?

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 

erm...... both i would have thought

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 

Well, there you have it. A born leader in the making.

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Very good :D

Link at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bgq4fw6o8Gc

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Boris appears to be perfecting his balancing skills for all those future tightropes he'll be navigating.
Also there looks to be a cherubic Rory Stewart in the background behind Bojo. Bet he wishes he'd kicked his fat backside while the opportunity was there. :D

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 

Seems to be a theme…

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...-party-britain

From his old boss

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 

Some MPs think they have the number to challenge the PM:

https://twitter.com/Mollie_Malone1/s...58752854515712

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 

I take issue with this bit:
He'd be lucky to make two years!

I suspect that his objective now is to get over the two-year line but he won't hold the post longer than the "Strong and stable" Theresa May.

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 

To be fair, that doesn't sound too dissimilar from any academically intelligent secondary age kid who thinks he/she can just get through school and into university with minimal effort. I'm pretty sure you could have said similar about me at the same age. But you can't keep that kind of attitude in the level of public office which he has or any kind of professional environment.

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 

As the article was written in June 2019 and he took office a month later, he’s already made it past 2 years and 5 months. But its prediction of 3-4 years could be right on the money. That would see him out on his ear any time between this coming summer and next.

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I have long held the view that the drip-feeding of stories against him would lead to a leadership challenge, but not until the summer because right now covid is still very much a thing. Blue-on-blue internecine warfare on the Tory back benches is risky at a time of lingering national crisis. It looks self indulgent. However, this latest revelation is looking more like a game changer with each passing day. If sufficient MPs decide the damage resulting from him remaining in office exceeds the damage of a messy and inconvenient leadership election, they will strike. The odds on that happening do seem to be shortening.

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 

Doh, my bad, I meant he will be lucky to make it to three years.

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 

he be lucky to make it past the next few weeks way it is going

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 

Piers Morgan's reading of Johnson's body language suggests he knows the game is up. How will he drag himself to PMQs tomorrow?
https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...4&d=1642527546

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 

He'll be lucky to make it out of PMQs tomorrow alive. If he attends!

You know things are going really, really badly for Johnson now as even Papa Smurf and Old Boy seem to have stopped defending him. ;)

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 

Crikey, seems many people have him gone anywhere from next week to the next 6 months.

I hope everyone is keeping their knives sharp for the next idiot that jumps into the hotseat . . if any do :D

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 

https://news.sky.com/story/downing-s...ation-12519275

I think 'Big Dog' will put himself down before the report comes out. Shame.

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 

Downing Street parties: Dominic Cummings will be interviewed as part of Cabinet Office investigation

https://news.sky.com/story/downing-s...ation-12519275

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 

I still say wait for the report. Then we should get a pretty good idea of the sequence of events and what actually happened. If it's as bad as it looks, he's toast.

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 

If the misdemeanor don't get you the coverup will.

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He may be toast before the report ever sees the light of day! He shouldn't need a senior civil servant to tell him that someone else should have explained his own rules to him! The British public is not as thick as Johnson likes to think.

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 

Looks like it's the 2019 intake that is moving against Johnson.

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A poor man's gollum imo

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From one of the political editors at The Telegraph: https://twitter.com/christopherhope/...15583270461454

Could just be getting overexcited but it looks like they're expecting the move tomorrow.

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 

See how everything gets twisted? This was in answer to the allegation that he was told that event was a party. Boris said he was told no such thing.

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and you know fine well he a very big proven liar OB have a look at his interview with Beth Rigby today

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 

I wonder if DC will also be prepared to swear on oath that he was not testing his eyesight when he took his family to Durham, and was simply taking his family for a day out.

Are you really suggesting that having ridiculed DC for that obvious lie, we should believe him over the Prime Minister now that it suits your argument to do so? Sorry, but if DC is going to contradict the PM on this, he is going to have to provide back up evidence, because I certainly wouldn’t believe anything this arrogant poser has to say on its own merits.

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Firstly,20 May 2020 was self-evidently a party, Old Boy, even the keenest fans of Johnson would struggle to say otherwise. Don't let BoJo's boat sink with you on it!

Secondly, ignorance of the law is no defence especially if you're on TV weekly explaining the law to the general public.

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Johnson and Cumming are the 2 biggest liars in the country but i know who the biggest one is and he not be in number 10 for much longer

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 

I was referring to how people are twisting the truth to suit their own agendas.

The PM was contrite at that interview with Beth Rigby. Frankly, it doesn’t matter what Boris says about this, he knows his detractors will choose not to believe him. That is why he wants the report issued, so the facts are set out clearly and people will have those facts to consider.

Clearly, there are a lot of people out there, including on this forum, who are not interested in the facts because they just want any excuse to see the back of Boris. After all, this is the only way Labour and the other political parties can steal a march on the Conservatives. That’s because they have no worthwhile policies to fight with.

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 

No doubt that Cummings has been somewhat economical with the truth and that approach certainly served his last couple of campaigns well. But if others are prepared to back up his allegations as they are here, then calling out Cummings' honesty won't work as a defence.

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Why would you prefer to believe DC anyway? Seems like you haven’t thought this one through.

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What will work as a defence is actual evidence. An oath taken by Cummings is worthless.

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 

because Johnson is the biggest liar in country by far if i had to pick i choose to believe the one that not biggest liar in country

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 

There's a near-consensus on this Forum that the longer Johnson hangs on, the better Labour's election chances will be.

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That email invite suffices for most of the public.

Would Johnson's oath be equally worthless?

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 

So you have two alleged liars and you choose, without waiting for evidence and preferring to take full account of uncorroborated allegations, to believe one over the other.

I wouldn’t apply for a position as a judge without a lot more education if I were you! Your conclusion, and the way you arrived at it, is completely illogical.

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I am afraid that the views of this Forum do not represent evidence.

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So what? That email does not prove that the event had his blessing. And for all you know, there might have been a subsequent email that withdrew or amended the first. We simply don’t know, do we?

I have no idea why you are so scared of the report. Don’t you want to know the full detail behind it?

Of course you don’t.

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 

Johnson is one that made the rules now saying he didnt know the rules the ones that he made come on OB

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 

https://twitter.com/patrickkmaguire/...34414818725888

(He means a question of when not if obviously)

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 

He hasn’t said that. What he said about not being told it was against the rules was in answer to the allegation that he was told just that.

You have changed his denial into a separate assertion.

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 

Dave42 is right. Check out the Sky News video below. Johnson says "nobody told me" the Number 10 garden party during lockdown was "against the rules".

Whilst ignorance of the law is no defence, they're his rules that he announced the rules to the public!
https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1483431855001063429

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The Government's alleged attempt at a deadcat in the form of briefing that Ghana and Rwanda would be sent asylum applicants has ended spectacularly poorly. Ghana has cleverly termed it "Operation Dead Meat" and denied it strongly.
https://twitter.com/GhanaMFA/status/...903937/photo/1

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https://twitter.com/christopherhope/...44039555321864

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He looked like a five year old who had been caught with his hands in the sweetie jar. My dog makes a better job of looking contrite. He should be a lot better at it by now, he's had enough practice apologising to all and sundry. Perhaps he needs some lessons from Matt Hancock.

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 

Your dog would also make a better job of running the country too. :D