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The vaccine passports makes no sense imho

Those who are unvaccinated and present an LFT are in fact giving better ‘live’ data than those Presenting their app or nhs letter

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Perhaps I misread, if so apologies. I thought you were implying that they are a 100% effective at preventing severe disease

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BREAKING: MPs back vaccine passports by 369 to 126 - big Tory rebellion

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No one said "Vaccination does not stop transmission" so I am not sure what you are on your high horse about.

Vaccines reduce the chances of a collection of people, in a closed environment, transmitting the virus. That is a fact, no ifs or buts. The idea of the passports is, I suspect, to apply this logic to indoor spaces and so reduce the onward transmission and so, in turn, reduce the load on the health service resources.

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That counts to the passport doesn't it?

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That's bigger than the worst-case projections made last night, all the more worrying for Johnson that the perception was the rebellion would be smaller than that tonight after his speech to the 1922 committee.

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Sorry Mick but you’re absolutely wrong. The nuances, the percentages, are critical to how we plan our way through this. Blunt statements like “vaccinated are still carriers” are unhelpful as well as factually inaccurate. The best data available says that most double-jabbed individuals *are not* carriers of the delta variant. The best data so far suggests that most triple-jabbed individuals *are not* carriers of omicron. By demanding that people don’t offer the statistics in their posts you’re simply demanding that people don’t provide the evidence that shows you’re wrong. That’s hardly a reasonable way of carrying on a discussion.

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Does it ? An LFT shows you either actively do or do not have the virus at the time you took the test. The app just shows you have had 1,2 or 3 doses of a vaccine. It doesn’t show if you’re currently infected.

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98 Tory rebels tonight.

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Exactly. This makes no sense. The evidence they’re useful is just not there.

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COVID passport also has a negative LFT test in the last 48 hours as a valid pass.

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Regardless of where things are stored an LFT give a better live data set as to if someone is infected or not.

The LFT result in the app was says as of this date I either have or havent tested positive for covid

The vaccine component says I’ve received x doses of vaccines or here’s my QR etc. it gives no information as to whether the person is currently infected or not.

I vehemently disagree with mick and I believe the vaccine significantly reduces the chances of infection. Therefore, make everyone take a lateral flow test. They can all be stored in the app. Simple’s

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Vaccinated are still carriers it is not a wrong statement to say, saying it should be helpful because you can be blindsided in to believing that you cannot pass on covid, as a vaccinated person, when you most certainly can.

No evidence has been shown that I am wrong because I am absolutely not wrong, given the experiences I live with day to day in a healthcare setting and quite frankly, you ought to know me by now that I stand by what I post on here and the fact remains, vaccination does not stop transmissions regardless of what some dodgy statistics says from hardly a reputable source.

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Nobody is saying they stop transmission.

They're saying it reduces transmission by making it less likely you'll catch it and reducing the period in which you're infected if you do get it (i.e you recover faster).

If it didn't do this. The vaccine wouldn't work. The numbers would be higher.

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When brakes are applied just before a car crash, they often lessen the impact, but don’t stop it - still worth applying the brakes, though…

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Sure the LFT is safer (although people can lie on it).

But I don't think they want to go that far yet. They're just playing the numbers game by accepting some proportion of the vaccinated will still be carriers but it's small enough that's it not worth disrupting events/hospitality to account for it.

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No but you and others keep saying it reduces it, no it does not, not in any significant way and I say this working on the front line and seeing this rubbish be totally untrue FFS.

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I know you do, I know it’s stressful and I know the latest round of rule changes is just making a highly complex situation worse. I went to visit my mum in her care home yesterday and the staff are absolutely at their wits’ end with it.

But statements of absolutes really don’t take us further forward, even though our yearning for things to be simpler or easier to deal with is strong and understandable. Some vaccinated people can still carry covid, but most don’t. Public policy is based on the extent to which either of those is true, and as the data improves the policies follow. It’s messy but it’s where we are.

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Your point stands with Delta, but isn’t valid with omicron imho (based on limited data we have) on

People are being or were being told to take a lateral flow test before meeting friends etc. I don’t see why everyone can’t take an LFT and put the result in the app?

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We did before Mum’s funeral yesterday (and asked all 50+ attendees, who were coming from all over the country ) - a reasonable number of attendees were 60+ (one was 95, Mum’s older sister), and everybody complied; they understood we were trying to reduce the risk for those attending the Service in the Church and the Celebration of her life afterwards at a local hotel.

We can’t do everything, but we tried to do what we could.

(Actually, we asked for people to take two - one, a couple of days before, and one in the morning of the funeral; two families had positive results on their first test, took PCR tests, and a member of both families tested positive on those tests as well, and didn’t travel/attend).

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It’s a fallacy anyway, in so far that the number of people eligible for the vaccine, that have chosen not to take it, is very small.

Trying to push the narrative that the unvaccinated are a problem is just incorrect.

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It’s always the, self, righteous that are usually the most authoritative.

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Must be an NHS thing, I had two eye operations in Dec 19 and Feb 20 in the height of that wave and had to do no such thing. But I went private……………

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Chris, the care home industry is on its knees. Homes are getting some additional funding but it’s still doesn’t cover all the voids they have. (Voids = empty rooms).

I’ve said much earlier probably in now the other closed thread, but when there is not enough staff to care for a fully occupied home, this is extra old people occupying hospital beds.

Now tonight, MPs vote through mandatory vaccines for NHS staff, 73,000 are not jabbed, not going to get into the reasonings for this, but if they don’t get jabbed, that’s a lot of vacancies on an already troublesome industry suffering from shortfalls. We’re going to have a third world health industry with this governments handling of it. I’m close to walking away myself it is this bad and this government, just doesn’t give a shit, so why should I continue?

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It’s a bit thin though……..isn’t it.

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99 Red balloons. Sorry 99 Tory Rebels voted against its own government, 17 Tory MPs abstained, so 116 Conservatives failed to support it’s own government.

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Absolutely.

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They were available around here - I know someone who drove to a site this morning and got a PCR test.

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Unfortunately LFTs have a false negative rate of up to 50%.

https://www.gov.uk/government/public...g-surveillance

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Herein lies the bigger issue, false negatives on an LFT. I’ve routinely tested positive on LFT’s forcing me into isolation until a PCR lab tested result comes back negative which supersedes LFT results.

So here we have Covid Passports or a negative LFT test law passing in the House of Commons tonight, we can thank Labour for this, as they would only support the Governments Statutory Instrument with the inclusion of a negative LFT test with Covid Passports, also, an LFT test isn’t fool proof, one could simply not do the test properly to create a negative test, thus, rendering the whole thing meaningless. No proper scrutiny by Her Majesty’s official opposition. Utter shambles.

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What is "thin"?

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Why are you talking about balloons?

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Because whenever I see the number 99, I can’t stop thinking of the Blondie song. Nothing derogatory implied. :)

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You mean Nena? :)

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Your argument and the specifics you apply to it, to make it.

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I can feel some of your anger & stress in the situation you face and I feel for you. I am not being sarcastic or trolling here. I do not think the general public understand how difficult a job the healthcare professionals are doing at the moment. I would not wish that on anyone. Anyone who works in the healthcare sector has my utmost respect whatever they do.

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The logic is cogent & robust. Which part is "thin" and what is the proof? Please do not include opinion in your response, that is not proof.

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The low detection % is when testing asymptomatically it’s significantly higher if symptomatic

My point remains, an LFD gives a better ‘live’ data set as to who is potentially infected. A covid pass based on vaccination offers nothing, apart from showing you’ve had x doses of a vaccine

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All a negative LFD does is suggest you dont have an infection at the time of taking the test.

You could have it, and still show negative.
You could catch it 5 minutes after taking the test.

Vacinations are at least more "long lasting", they are not invalid minutes after you have them.

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So, the authors who work at;

• Big Data Institute, Nuffield Department of Population Health, University of Oxford, Oxford, UK
• NIHR Health Protection Research Unit in in Healthcare Associated Infections and Antimicrobial Resistance, University of Oxford, Oxford, UK
• Department of Health and Social Care, UK Government, London, UK
• Deloitte MCS Ltd, London, UK
• William Harvey Research Institute, Queen Mary University of London, London UK
• Health Economics Research Centre, Nuffield Department of Population Health, University of Oxford, Oxford, UK
• Nuffield Department of Medicine, University of Oxford

Have fabricated data? Pretty bold claim and a pretty big scandal if true. Any evidence that they have fabricated this data?

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:tu:

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I think that they are playing a percentage numbers game here: if you have had 2+ jabs or -ve LFT, you are statistically less likely to a) have Covid and b) pass it on.

There will always be individual contradictions but it is at the macro level that this will be fought & won (or lost).

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Yep of course, they’re saying that if you’ve had x doses of vaccine then you’re % less likely to have the virus. Which is fair enough apart from

We’re all being asked to take lfd before we meet with friends etc. so why not everyone take a lateral flow test before any large event ?

If they’re so ineffective, as purported above. Why are we being asked to take them at all?

Can’t have it both ways I’m afraid

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:clap::clap::clap:

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Yes if the benchmark is 100% effective then nothing meets that high standard. It’d be nice if it did and we could go for elimination. However “living with the virus” is managing it via mitigations. Percentages here, percentages there.

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I’m sticking to my view thanks. I work on frontline. I see for myself how things are and when I see double jabbed, even triple jabbed people, catch Covid with my own set of eyes, I don’t need statisticians or boffs, who’ve probably never set foot in a healthcare setting and got their hands dirty, to tell me what is what, or you.

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Boris to hold 5pm Downing Street press conference, COBRA also meeting today.

Imho we’ve got more restrictions and/or guidance incoming.

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If we were to get more guidance/restrictions I’d think we would move inline with Scotland ?

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I really wish they would stop changing it every week. If you are going to introduce restrictions over Christmas announce them now, not every few days escalate it because you keep getting caught out.

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Actually on second thoughts, I don’t think there will be further restrictions one of the reasons for the absolute spanking of a rebellion was due to the fact that the proposals didn’t go before MP’s first

I think it’s going to be ‘get your booster’ and pp slides of omicron rate of spread


Q’s from journos could get interesting mind

I think getting caught out is unfair mind you. He’s trying to react to a constantly changing threat

He can’t win, tighten restrictions too much and there will be calls of project fear, don’t do enough on restrictions…..

I kinda feel sorry for him, he’s still a massive helmet mind you

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He could advise people on what he thinks is a good idea without changing any regulations.

I don’t think he will necessarily, but the MPs part doesn’t preclude him from painting a grim picture and telling people to use their judgement.

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IMHO now - or indeed before Christmas - isn't the time to make any more restrictions.


First of all, people won't want to have Christmas ruined, yesterday was the last day you could catch covid and not have to isolate for Christmas, so you'd expect a lot of people would start limiting their contacts if they're bothered about that.


The booster roll out, which is the answer, is possible - anyone can now book (if the NHS site will let them) and go to a walk in centre, the more boosters given out the harder it is for the virus to spread anyway.


Plan B measures aren't the answer, if they want to stop it they won't go hard enough, but given some people have to work and people still have to shop even a lockdown might not slow it down enough. But they will help. Office workers not having to go into the office will limit their contacts especially if they have to use PT to get there, passports probably won't do a lot, masks probably won't do a great deal either, but both will probably still help slow it down. And we will need to see this in for a week at the least to see if there is an effect or not.



Short of introducing further curbs on hospitality - which will probably suffer anyway as people elect not to go - such as distancing tables, table service or indeed closing it, or other indoor mixing such as rule of 6 (which is incredibly difficult to enforce and would be a bit of an own goal given the backlash to the party measures) there aren't much more options he can go down anyway.



If the focus has - as it should be - not shifted from the healthcare situation, then this is pretty stable. According to the data site, all three measures have fluctuated to a minor degree but in general have remained level since about the middle of July. We are potentially now around the time where you would see Omicron infections presenting to hospital (if they are going to) which doesn't yet appear to be causing a serious surge, but we don't know that isn't going to happen yet, and it's one of those things where if it does happen it happens before you notice it. So they are entirely right to say there is a risk because they don't know there isn't yet and slow things down for now. This needs time to work, and won't work as well as going full on it (the best thing right now to stop the virus would be to order a 2 week lockdown - but this will have other effects, and anyway hasn't always worked in other cases) so the current compromise seems to make sense.


They will be pushing the boosters because it's the only real way out of it. Restrictions ultimately have to come off quickly as they can and if they do before enough have been boosted then they will just get a spike in infections again. Of course, they do need to work on their side too (there aren't currently any walk in centres in Notts offering boosters) in regards to the capacity and availability but this is probably still being looked into. It strikes me he announced all of that before a lot of the work had been finished.

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True, but how many will listen ?

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Polling still shows significant support for going further than Plan B measures. Support that will only increase as hospitals overflow and case counts rise.

While I hold significant parts of the British public in contempt for a variety of reasons I have no reason to believe that vast majority of folk won’t act in their own self interest - to not catch Covid.

Economic growth was 0.1% in October suggesting that not as many were out there enjoying their new found freedoms are some may have been keen to portray.

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How many would support further measures without reintroducing furlough and similar support, especially if they were then left unable to work, and not getting any financial support because they couldn't?


I think if they go much further then this situation would come up again. You'd then be looking presumably at furlough coming back, but the government can't keep on paying for this, shutting things down, reopening them again. Theresa May was spot on.


People will self-limit their actions if they don't feel it's safe. When it wasn't law to, yes a lot of people did remove masks in shops, but a fair few chose to keep them on, debatable how much that actually did achieve but even so, it shows people will still do more than they are required to.


I wouldn't have been too bothered before, but when going for something to eat now i'd rather sit away from other people/tables simply because keeping away from people is better, if it's crowded it probably isn't a good idea, masks, passports etc aside.

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I’m minded to agree, my concern is that people who have had the booster will go ‘I’m boostered, I’m fine, carry on as normal’

Also, we need to consider the fatigue that people are suffering from being under 15 months of restrictions.

I think we’re on a knife edge at the moment

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In response to your point regarding furlough and paying for things

1. When did the U.K. government finish paying its war debt ?
2. How much debt have the conservatives added between 2010-2020

There is ALWAYS a way to pay for it…..

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The government having the debt is a completely different scenario, though ultimately furlough either adds to the total debt as a country or leads to more taxation or spending cuts to try and balance it.


The scenario is more around families, people who work in the sectors which are likely to have to close or be restricted again if this goes further, in the absence of furlough support, these people will have the same to pay for, themselves and families to feed without the work and money coming in to pay for it, the companies won't be able to support them as they aren't able to trade and bring money in, if the government doesn't then will they be able to afford heating, electricity, food bills, etc etc.

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I won’t. If 10 Downing Street can have a party in the midst of a lockdown, I can see my parents who are at the latter end of their years, I won’t have my time robbed from them by these schemers, not over something being considered just a bad cold. It’s a total overreaction. We cannot keep shutting down stuff every time there is a new variant, it will be perpetual lockdowns at every turn, we have to live with Covid like every other serious illness and ailment that can potentially kill you.

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Again I think fatigue is something massively overstated by the press.

The vast, vast majority of people have barely been impacted by restrictions since so-called Freedom Day (July) and when pressed many haven’t been directly affected since the restrictions on households mixing ended before that.

People like to have a moan but once you scratch the surface there’s usually very little substance to it.

For the work from home brigade there’s massive upside to prolonged restrictions, saving on fuel and other commuting costs. Plus extra time to spend with children, etc.

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One thing they have to address is the capacity of the NHS. I understand a pandemic is a rare event in modern times and a lot of nations struggled with this but the NHS feels the strain when a bad flu reason happens. The Government is also paying a price for not dealing with that early, they've left no capacity at all.

We need to at least be a bit better at dealing with increased demand whilst maintaining a regular service for routine medical care.

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There’s no plan to pay the existing debt, there’s just borrowing and eroding it with inflation.

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The government if required can find money to provide additional support in the way of furlough it is that simple

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This is true. And whilst I would expect that a fair amount of recharging of staff batteries happened, whilst Alpha cases and admissions had been brought under control by lockdown and vaccines, which at least reduced pressure on the hospitals with Delta, the NHS still has a fair amount of the "other" illnesses and issues to deal with, which were necessarily slowed down or put totally on hold in the worst times of the pandemic.


As you say the Covid pressures on the NHS just happen most years and if it's not covid happen with things like flu, norovirus, etc etc.


The argument that the NHS can't cope is dependent on two things; an increase in patients needing care (due to them having the virus itself, or having care needs which were delayed due to the virus affecting capacity), and the capacity in the NHS itself. Lockdown only really helps with the number of people having the virus and only ever slows it down anyway. If the NHS needs funding to increase capacity then this should ultimately be something the government should be focusing its energy on. Not restricting a population, who in the main are unlikely to need critical care due to this virus, and who are in the main trying to do the right thing with complying with never-changing restrictions and getting themselves vaccinated.

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Ah, that's cool, I thought you were saying that they were falsifying data which along with plagiarism and not following ethical principles are the deadly sins of the sciences.

I will go with the deep technical review of ~250,000 PCR tests over anecdotal experience but each to their own

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Quite agree, if we're going to learn to live with Covid (which ultimately we do have to do) We have to ensure that we have sufficient resources in place to be able to support what living with Covid looks like.

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They've had near two years to increase capacity in the NHS and obviously failed.

They're a shambles and the nation is sick and tired of that buffoon wheeling himself out to address the nation, flanked by tweedle dumb and tweedle dumber.

The nation is crying out for anyone, I mean anyone, politically competent to come forward because the leaders of all the parties in all the nations are useless.

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78,610 new cases reported in the last 24 hours.

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The issue here is, who is politically competent in the existing Tory party to take over from Boris

If no one, we then have how long to a general election?

and in the meantime, like you said no increase in capacity

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Bloody hell

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Yikes

That will easily be 6 figures by Friday

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It will be genuinely interesting to see how that transposes into hospital admissions in the next 7 days or so.

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Just had a phone call from my doctor. The situation is now so serious that she is to send out a nurse tomorrow as a matter of urgency to give myself (and other vulnerable people in the area) the booster and flu jab together.

I've seen/heard reports that the booster jab makes people feel terrible and weak for 24 hours afterwards. This makes me nervous, but I have no other choice if I have any hope of surviving. I'll try and post my experience of this if I am able.

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My brother -in-law had booster and flu jab 10 days ago and is still ill in bed.

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At least you’re not being over dramatic about it.

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Tomorrow morning....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ObCHQyQy9k8

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Well apart from Boris saying there had been 780,000 infections in one day rather than 78,000

Floppy haired eeejit can't even get the basics right....

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:D

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My niece who was double jabbed has today tested positive.

She's going to the Drive-through PCR test at the airport.

So no seeing my family before Christmas day then.

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First one I've bothered to watch for a long time . . . purely to see how they filled the time :D

I now know that:

A minimum of 15 people are in hospital with Omicron.

One person has died with Omicron.

apart from that it's been waffle waffle jabs, blah blah booster, waffle blah vaccinations, blah waffle booster, blah waffle blah . .

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Oh no, poor man. I feel pretty awful myself due to the current state of my health as it is, but I have no choice. The doctor says it would likely kill me off if I caught it.

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How could they have increased the capacity in two years - it takes 3 to 4 years to train a nurse, and 8-10 to train a doctor, and no one has found a way to automate diagnosis and treatment?

Not being argumentative, just wondering what they could have done in the last two years to increase capacity - it's no good having more beds if we don't have the staff to treat the patients in them.

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Could someone bring back commercial union ? Think it’s needed with some recent posts

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Explain?

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Must admit that one whistled by here as well :confused:

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Their catchphrase

Watching Dr. David Nabarro on sky news, he’s almost in a rage

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Thought he was going to cry at one stage :D

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I'm sure there are initiatives that could have been undertaken.

Not my area of expertise, but if I was the health secretary or NHS boss, when it is known that we need to increase capacity quickly in the short term then I would have looked at all and any initiatives.

Like I say not my area of expertise but one I can think of, off the bat is How many ex-nurses are there? offer golden hellos to nurses that return.

If there is a real will to do something, something can be done.

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If you're that "vulnerable" then why have you left it until now - to be contacted by a nurse. :confused:

You should have sorted both the booster and flu jabs out many many weeks ago, I even had mine in November.

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I dont think anyone is disputing this ? They are clearly wrong if they are.
I know of several people who have caught it after being either double or triple jabbed.

As pointed out many times, the vaccinations do not stop you catching covid.
They prepare your body to fight it off, some people will do so with no obvious signs, some will still be ill.

The vast majority will not be seriously ill, which is the main point of it all.

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Because I am now housebound and so could not attend the surgery or outreach centre. The way that it's rapidly spreading has obviously made the situation much more urgent from the way my doctor was talking.

When I enquired about the flu/booster jabs some weeks ago, it was explained to me that the third dose had to be kept at a cold temperature right up until it's administered. Presumably they now have some way of keeping it cold in the car?? Maybe they are able to do it by coming straight to my home from the surgery?? I'm not sure, I guess I will find out in the morning.

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Good for you, but relevancy to this discussion?

A PCR test doesn’t tell you the vaccinated from the unvaccinated. :rolleyes:

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Seems they used NHS track and trace data so they'll know whose vaccinated, who isn't and the PCR results of in contact with them.

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At our booster appointment this evening there was a group of nurses at reception reading over the latest instructions from Sturgeon on who is and is not allowed to have a vaccination over the next 4-5 weeks. Basically in Scotland no 12-15s are now allowed. They have been eligible for a 1st jab for some time but anyone who hasn’t had it already is to be turned away until the booster program is complete.

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They're going to need 3 doses to be protected anyway surely.


They need to be prioritising boosters considering that those who are eligible for 1st doses have been so since August and haven't come forward - are they going to?

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As it happens, there was an entire family being turned away as we arrived (which I guess is the reason why the nurses were getting the pep-talk at that point). Three kids, all apparently in that age range, brought by their parents who presumably hadn’t thought it important enough until then.

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Were they at a designated drop in site or did they just rock up to chance their arm?

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Oho! See what you did there …

If I understood the chat properly, it’s a site that was a drop-in and is now appointment only. That said, missus and I were an hour early because we were expecting to queue, but they waved us straight in because it was quite quiet.

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Completely unintentional, honest.

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It's amazing what even a perceived threat of lockdown does to focus minds.


I have an appointment for a booster, which I'm going to cancel, because I managed to get in a walkin (in Derby, as there aren't any in Notts for some reason) earlier on. All went relatively well...

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I’m sorry but suddenly, track and trace has become a viable source for information, they’ve been riddled with accusations of inefficiency since the get go.

Seriously, some of you have no idea what it’s been like out there on the front line during this pandemic. But carry on reading the “data” from the stiffs and bean counters who’d probably run a mile if they’d get off their arses, and ended up stuck on a ward/healthcare setting. :rolleyes:

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I know quite a few ex-GPs and nurses - they left because they were emotionally and physically exhausted, and had built up enough pensions/savings to live on in retirement.

Money would not incentivise them back into the NHS - much like the previous HMG initiative to increase nurse numbers involved motivating existing nurses to stay in the NHS didn’t (my sister-in-law is an ex-nurse/midwife/district nurse, and wouldn’t go back for love or money).

(a lot of them are, however, volunteering to help out during the current pandemic).

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I've never installed the silly app (I just don't believe that measurement is reliable enough) but regardless, I haven't ever been contacted by T&T in regards to being in contact with a positive test. Now considering all my music stuff has been basically back to full schedule since the late summer, this surprises me. Unless they could see I was double jabbed and just didn't bother.


I don't think it's ever been stated that vaccinated people can't get it. It just lessens the impact when they do...

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So where else are we to get information? We can only turn to the government or the media.It's almost impossible to get any info from my surgery so we are stuck with conflicting talking media heads and medical/scientific experts who all seem to disagree with one another.The other option of our political leaders leaves me wondering what they aren't telling us.:(

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I think regardless of anything, you have to remember that this is still a relatively mild disease, even for the unvaccinated ( depending on your health, age etc)

Then, regardless of the variant type, if you are vaccinated you are unlikely to get seriously and if you are triple vaccinated you are very unlikely to get Ill.

Also, data forthcoming, it is possible that the illness with Omicron may be milder anyway. We have to wait.

But we have to remind ourselves that in the main ……………….we won’t die.

Re: Coronavirus
 

Except for those 180,000…

Re: Coronavirus
 

Well he is right because he did qualify the statement with “in the main”.

Re: Coronavirus
 

Exactly. There's nothing to worry about at all, unless you're one of the unlucky ones like members of my family, friends and acquaintances. I'm sure many others could say the same.too

Re: Coronavirus
 

Yes, totes mosh. You alright hun?