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BenMcr 25-11-2021 17:59
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And I don't know, say each one may require you to have some form of box to connect to your TV, provide a 'guide' to help you work out what's available, and may give you easy to use automatic playlists of programmes to watch.

https://about.netflix.com/en/news/pl...e-work-for-you

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There are times when we just don’t want to make decisions. A Friday evening after a long work week. A fridge full of food but nothing jumps out. A family movie night where no one can agree. We’ve all been there.

Sometimes you just want to open Netflix and dive right into a new story. That’s why we’ve created Play Something, an exciting new way to kick back and watch.
Hang on, that seems familiar :D

epsilon 26-11-2021 07:23
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Originally Posted by BenMcr (Post 36102493)
And I don't know, say each one may require you to have some form of box to connect to your TV, provide a 'guide' to help you work out what's available, and may give you easy to use automatic playlists of programmes to watch.

https://about.netflix.com/en/news/pl...e-work-for-you



Hang on, that seems familiar :D
Just like BBC Three, perhaps a return to linear TV will be the future for all streamers. ;)

jfman 26-11-2021 08:27
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Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36102491)
following on from that . . when they all merge, get bought out etc, you may well end up with just 2 streaming services and be paying £30 a month to each one . . ;)
It’s almost certain. We’ve now had former DAZN executives in the media admitting the end users will ultimately pay more for less in the future.

Raider999 26-11-2021 15:24
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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36102590)
It’s almost certain. We’ve now had former DAZN executives in the media admitting the end users will ultimately pay more for less in the future.
Or possibly they will vote with their feet and cancel.

I think we may be seeing the true colours of streamers - start with a low monthly cost, attract customers, put the price up hoping most will have bought into it and stay.

End of the day, most streamers are new to the game - at least you know what you get from linear channel providers.

Itshim 26-11-2021 17:11
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Originally Posted by Raider999 (Post 36102681)

I think we may be seeing the true colours of streamers - start with a low monthly cost, attract customers, put the price up hoping most will have bought into it and stay .
The way of most start up companies low prices to get a market share . Then hope customers will not bother to cancel , as happens everyday with many subscriptions to many people ! :shocked:

1andrew1 26-11-2021 18:29
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Originally Posted by Itshim (Post 36102757)
The way of most start up companies low prices to get a market share . Then hope customers will not bother to cancel , as happens everyday with many subscriptions to many people ! :shocked:
Known as the drug dealer method. Free, then a low price once they're addicted then keep on upping it till the revenue is maximised.

BenMcr 26-11-2021 18:55
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See also Gillette razors :)

cheekyangus 26-11-2021 19:10
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Originally Posted by BenMcr (Post 36102776)
See also Gillette razors :)
And they have 65% worldwide market share I think I read somewhere a few years back. :shocked: The 2nd place only had 15-20% to my recollection and there was no significant 3rd, it was all minor player after that.

But this is WAY off topic.

----

I wonder if Pluto TV will crash with never seen before demand tonight for Star Trek Discovery S4?

Itshim 28-11-2021 15:29
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Originally Posted by cheekyangus (Post 36102778)
And they have 65% worldwide market share I think I read somewhere a few years back. :shocked: The 2nd place only had 15-20% to my recollection and there was no significant 3rd, it was all minor player after that.

But this is WAY off topic.
How both are excellent examples of how the markets work. Was thinking about switching to mainly streaming . Can get everything thing I need via this manner including but not exclusively . I player, Netflix itv hub ,UKTV etc . BUT given the poor ,poor BB service and the fact the price l would pay is so close to what l am paying now it remains an option for the future.

OLD BOY 28-11-2021 16:03
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Originally Posted by Raider999 (Post 36102681)
Or possibly they will vote with their feet and cancel.

I think we may be seeing the true colours of streamers - start with a low monthly cost, attract customers, put the price up hoping most will have bought into it and stay.

End of the day, most streamers are new to the game - at least you know what you get from linear channel providers .
True - junk mostly. Junk and commercials! How banal can you get?

If you choose your streamers wisely, you can get far more choice of programmes for less money.

Mad Max 28-11-2021 17:04
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Originally Posted by Itshim (Post 36103329)
How both are excellent examples of how the markets work. Was thinking about switching to mainly streaming . Can get everything thing I need via this manner including but not exclusively . I player, Netflix itv hub ,UKTV etc . BUT given the poor ,poor BB service and the fact the price l would pay is so close to what l am paying now it remains an option for the future.
Is it really bad? Just noticed you get your BB from Sky, can't you get it from Virgin?

Raider999 28-11-2021 17:12
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36103338)

True - junk mostly. Junk and commercials! How banal can you get?

If you choose your streamers wisely, you can get far more choice of programmes for less money.
Just because you don't agree with my opinion doesn't give you the right to be abusive.

I am very discerning in my choice of viewing so avoid junk however it is delivered.

As for commercials, most programmes have them, hence I record programmes and skip the commercials - I only very, very rarely watch something live so commercials don't affect my viewing.


Personally, I consider most of what streamers have to offer is Junk - very little I would want to watch.

What you consider to be junk others may not and vice verse

OLD BOY 28-11-2021 17:24
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Originally Posted by Raider999 (Post 36103347)
Just because you don't agree with my opinion doesn't give you the right to be abusive.

I am very discerning in my choice of viewing so avoid junk however it is delivered.

As for commercials, most programmes have them, hence I record programmes and skip the commercials - I only very, very rarely watch something live so commercials don't affect my viewing.


Personally, I consider most of what streamers have to offer is Junk - very little I would want to watch.

What you consider to be junk others may not and vice verse
I was not abusive, Raider. The banality I was referring to was in relation to content.

No need to record or fast-forward on the streamers.

Just to clarify, though, I acknowledge that if you watch a lot of sport, you are at a disadvantage. But I expect that to change over time.

Raider999 28-11-2021 18:48
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36103348)
I was not abusive, Raider. The banality I was referring to was in relation to content.

No need to record or fast-forward on the streamers.

Just to clarify, though, I acknowledge that if you watch a lot of sport, you are at a disadvantage. But I expect that to change over time.

Ok, I accept your explanation.

When I have watched via streaming I have needed to FF to the start of what I want to watch and thru the half time break - nowhere near as easy as doing it on a linear channel.

I sincerely hope you are wrong with regards to watching sport changing to streamers - so far my experience of this happening is that it costs me extra to be able to watch what I used to on linear channels.

I see no reason why this will change as streamers suck you in with a lower sub then up it when they have enough people on the hook.

Itshim 28-11-2021 22:20
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Originally Posted by Mad Max (Post 36103346)
Is it really bad? Just noticed you get your BB from Sky, can't you get it from Virgin?
Don't know what you think you are looking at my BB TV and house phone is all virgin . Have access to sky go . Mobile is Tesco so O2 :)

denphone 29-11-2021 11:56
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Britbox flash sale 12 months for £29.99.

New customers only.

https://watch.britbox.co.uk/

1701-e 29-11-2021 13:26
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£29.98 too much

Carth 29-11-2021 13:38
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Originally Posted by 1701-e (Post 36103489)
£29.98 too much
Yep.
Forces TV (if available in your area) is much better . . and free

Legendkiller2k 29-11-2021 14:03
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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 36103484)
Britbox flash sale 12 months for £29.99.

New customers only.

https://watch.britbox.co.uk/
Vm customers may be getting this free in the near future there are talks going on, it's very early stages at this time.

Mad Max 29-11-2021 17:09
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Brilliant, can't wait to watch, Nuns on the run/Footballers wives. :rolleyes:

OLD BOY 29-11-2021 17:23
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Originally Posted by Legendkiller2k (Post 36103501)
Vm customers may be getting this free in the near future there are talks going on, it's very early stages at this time.
Good idea. While they are at it, they could also get Acorn and provide it free. VM must have a lot of money sloshing about now that they don’t have to fork out for Fox, the lost Disney channels, etc. Spending it on some of the cheaper streamers sounds good to me!

Legendkiller2k 29-11-2021 18:12
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36103538)
Good idea. While they are at it, they could also get Acorn and provide it free. VM must have a lot of money sloshing about now that they don’t have to fork out for Fox, the lost Disney channels, etc. Spending it on some of the cheaper streamers sounds good to me!
Acorn are owned by AMC Networks we all know who they're currently in bed with in the UK.

jfman 29-11-2021 18:57
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36103538)
Good idea. While they are at it, they could also get Acorn and provide it free. VM must have a lot of money sloshing about now that they don’t have to fork out for Fox, the lost Disney channels, etc. Spending it on some of the cheaper streamers sounds good to me!
Quite the assumption that they have money “sloshing about”. In practice - they’re saving pennies per subscriber with all of this minority interest content and almost certainly will not be throwing money hand over fist at fledgeling streamers who are responsible for splintering the content in the first place!

OLD BOY 29-11-2021 18:57
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Originally Posted by Legendkiller2k (Post 36103545)
Acorn are owned by AMC Networks we all know who they're currently in bed with in the UK.
True, but I don’t think Acorn is offered by BT, so that shouldn’t’t be affected by any exclusivity agreements. Hopefully!

buckeye 30-11-2021 15:05
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You can also get Britbox for 1p a month for 3 months within Amazon channels

SnoopZ 30-11-2021 15:07
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Originally Posted by buckeye (Post 36103627)
You can also get Britbox for 1p a month for 3 months within Amazon channels
Too expensive. Lol

Hugh 30-11-2021 15:24
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-englan...shire-59476662
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Two people have been arrested as part of a police investigation into illegal streaming.

Officers carrying out a warrant in Oadby, Leicestershire, found equipment "relating to the dissemination of paid-for TV services through internet protocol television" on Monday.

A man, 33, and a 48-year-old woman were held on suspicion of infringing copyright by communicating work.

Both have been released under investigation.

Leicestershire Police said they also shut down the online platform where people were accessing subscription material, with a message warning users against illegal streaming displayed instead.

Kieron Sharp, from FACT (Federation Against Copyright Theft), said the police raid sent a message "not only to those facilitating this illegal activity but also to those choosing to consume content in this way".

"Providing illegal streaming services is a serious crime and consumers paying for these services should be aware that they are giving their money directly to criminals," he said.

Jaymoss 30-11-2021 15:32
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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36103629)
This has been a long time coming. Surprised it has taken so long. I first got interested in Graphical menu Design of a certain legal Media Player around 2014.

At that time illegal IPTV was few and far between, most illegal tv content was card sharing. In the last 5 years IPTV sellers have rocketed and now any Tom Dick or Harriot can buy enough tokens to resell streams to thousands of customers for pence each.

These guys may well be restreamers and have their own kit but now it is massive business and of the course prolific it is the more attractive it is to the authorities

Will be interested in seeing if it actually goes anywhere

Incidentally it is not against the law in the US the same as it is here

OLD BOY 30-11-2021 23:54
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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36103555)
Quite the assumption that they have money “sloshing about”. In practice - they’re saving pennies per subscriber with all of this minority interest content and almost certainly will not be throwing money hand over fist at fledgeling streamers who are responsible for splintering the content in the first place!
A bit of your bias coming out here, jfman.

denphone 01-12-2021 07:26
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A interesting article regarding traditional television and streaming viewing figures done by Barb.


https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-r...its-finds-barb

Hugh 01-12-2021 09:24
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36103665)
A bit of your bias coming out here, jfman.
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36103538)
Good idea. While they are at it, they could also get Acorn and provide it free. VM must have a lot of money sloshing about now that they don’t have to fork out for Fox, the lost Disney channels, etc. Spending it on some of the cheaper streamers sounds good to me!


Oh, the irony…. :D

Legendkiller2k 01-12-2021 13:47
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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36103629)
I remember the big raid in Italy 2 years ago took out a lot of the IPTV services, as it stands it is not illegal to watch the dodgey iptv in the uk at the moment this is expected to change though, however providing the service is a different matter entirely and can carry upto 10 years in prison.

As i've said before if anyone is using one of these dodgey iptv services have a good secure no logs vpn and make sure the vpn provider is not in any of the 5 eyes regions.

Jaymoss 01-12-2021 13:54
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Originally Posted by Legendkiller2k (Post 36103703)
I remember the big raid in Italy 2 years ago took out a lot of the IPTV services, as it stands it is not illegal to watch the dodgey iptv in the uk at the moment this is expected to change though, however providing the service is a different matter entirely and can carry upto 10 years in prison.

As i've said before if anyone is using one of these dodgey iptv services have a good secure no logs vpn and make sure the vpn provider is not in any of the 5 eyes regions.
Most use it for the sport and most IPTV services are blocked on match day so a vpn is needed to get round that anyway.


In the US a lot of the providers charge almost as much as Sky charges in the UK for the full package it is crazy

Legendkiller2k 01-12-2021 15:20
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May be account specific so woth checking if you have NOW, Sky sports offer £14.99p/m for 3 months nice price for over the festive season.

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Originally Posted by Jaymoss (Post 36103706)
Most use it for the sport and most IPTV services are blocked on match day so a vpn is needed to get round that anyway.


In the US a lot of the providers charge almost as much as Sky charges in the UK for the full package it is crazy
I have a friend on Comcast in USA (it's how i get my NBC Sports they let me use their Xfinity in exchange for my Nowtv) and she pays over $300 a month for her cable tv and broadband crazy prices and maybe a warning to SKY customers as Comcast own SKY now.

OLD BOY 01-12-2021 17:08
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Originally Posted by Legendkiller2k (Post 36103720)
May be account specific so woth checking if you have NOW, Sky sports offer £14.99p/m for 3 months nice price for over the festive season.

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I have a friend on Comcast in USA (it's how i get my NBC Sports they let me use their Xfinity in exchange for my Nowtv) and she pays over $300 a month for her cable tv and broadband crazy prices and maybe a warning to SKY customers as Comcast own SKY now.
I think they would lose a lot of customers to VM in cabled areas if they tried that.

1andrew1 01-12-2021 17:32
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Originally Posted by Legendkiller2k (Post 36103720)
I have a friend on Comcast in USA (it's how i get my NBC Sports they let me use their Xfinity in exchange for my Nowtv) and she pays over $300 a month for her cable tv and broadband crazy prices and maybe a warning to SKY customers as Comcast own SKY now.
The US is generally a less competitive broadband market and Comcast enjoys a tasty 44% profit margin on its broadband business.

Here are the costs from 20 December 2021. Prices shown are for Center City and South Philadelphia.

TV
Broadcast TV fee $19.15
Regional sports fee $12.70
HD TV box and remote $8.50
Expanded Basic cable $45.27

Internet
Performance (Up to 100Mbs) $83.95 (£63.04)
Performance Pro (Up to 200 Mbs) $98.95 (£74.31)
Blast (Up to 400 Mbs) $103.95 (£78.06)
Gigabit $113.95 (£85.57)
Source: https://www.inquirer.com/business/co...-20211201.html

Raider999 01-12-2021 20:27
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36103758)
The US is generally a less competitive broadband market and Comcast enjoys a tasty 44% profit margin on its broadband business.

Here are the costs from 20 December 2021. Prices shown are for Center City and South Philadelphia.

TV
Broadcast TV fee $19.15
Regional sports fee $12.70
HD TV box and remote $8.50
Expanded Basic cable $45.27

Internet
Performance (Up to 100Mbs) $83.95 (£63.04)
Performance Pro (Up to 200 Mbs) $98.95 (£74.31)
Blast (Up to 400 Mbs) $103.95 (£78.06)
Gigabit $113.95 (£85.57)
Source: https://www.inquirer.com/business/co...-20211201.html

Even allowing for the fact $1 usually translates to £1 for these sort of things, the costs for TV seems low compared to UK - especially the sports option.

However the broadband costs seem to be a lot higher.

Itshim 01-12-2021 20:41
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Originally Posted by Raider999 (Post 36103786)
Even allowing for the fact $1 usually translates to £1 for these sort of things, the costs for TV seems low compared to UK - especially the sports option.

However the broadband costs seem to be a lot higher.
Never took sports and paid an all in cost of around $150

Legendkiller2k 02-12-2021 00:28
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36103752)
I think they would lose a lot of customers to VM in cabled areas if they tried that.
Oh Liberty Global are far from innocent they would no doubt follow suite.

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36103758)
The US is generally a less competitive broadband market and Comcast enjoys a tasty 44% profit margin on its broadband business.

Here are the costs from 20 December 2021. Prices shown are for Center City and South Philadelphia.

TV
Broadcast TV fee $19.15
Regional sports fee $12.70
HD TV box and remote $8.50
Expanded Basic cable $45.27

Internet
Performance (Up to 100Mbs) $83.95 (£63.04)
Performance Pro (Up to 200 Mbs) $98.95 (£74.31)
Blast (Up to 400 Mbs) $103.95 (£78.06)
Gigabit $113.95 (£85.57)
Source: https://www.inquirer.com/business/co...-20211201.html
Router rental fee around $20p/m add on add ons too like HBO, Showtime, Starz, NFL etc the costs soon mount up.

1andrew1 02-12-2021 00:34
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Originally Posted by Legendkiller2k (Post 36103863)
Router rental fee around $20p/m add on add ons too like HBO, Showtime, Starz, NFL etc the costs soon mount up.
I guess we have LLU unbundling and geography to thank for our more competitive broadband market.

spankysmagicpian 02-12-2021 08:24
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Maybe OT but I can't find a thread for this - quick question.

I watched the Man City match last night on Amazon and it had the 'cinema feel' to the picture although of course, in HD. Flipped over to the Liverpool / Everton match after the coverage had finished and it was a 'normal' HD picture as in what you would expect from say Sky Sports.

I thought it maybe due to my older TV and frame rates but now baffled.

BenMcr 02-12-2021 11:29
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Was that through your Smart TV apps or via the Virgin TV box. If Virgin do you have V6/TiVo or 360?

spankysmagicpian 02-12-2021 12:57
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Originally Posted by BenMcr (Post 36103905)
Was that through your Smart TV apps or via the Virgin TV box. If Virgin do you have V6/TiVo or 360?
Tried it through the V6 and FireTV Cube, both the same. It was just strange. Maybe Amazon are at fault...even though it's not a fault. I'll check tonight.

jfman 02-12-2021 14:00
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36103665)
A bit of your bias coming out here, jfman.
It’s not really bias, OB. It stands to reason.

Virgin, Sky and others rely upon having a large number of subscribers and using that purchasing power, plus their reach of advertisers, to drive down the price of third party content to pennies per subscriber per month.

Fledgling streamers on the other hand believe that retailing directly to customers they can gain more revenue. The theory being that say, 250 000 subscribers per month at £8 a month would get more revenue than the scenario above. £24m per year. That, leaving advertising aside, would be about 17 pence per subscriber taking a basic Sky/Virgin package.

All these figures are scalable but the idea that huge amounts are being saved or streaming services will (as a matter of course) be integrated into aggregated packages is fanciful.

1andrew1 02-12-2021 14:14
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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36103962)
It’s not really bias, OB. It stands to reason.

Virgin, Sky and others rely upon having a large number of subscribers and using that purchasing power, plus their reach of advertisers, to drive down the price of third party content to pennies per subscriber per month.

Fledgling streamers on the other hand believe that retailing directly to customers they can gain more revenue. The theory being that say, 250 000 subscribers per month at £8 a month would get more revenue than the scenario above. £24m per year. That, leaving advertising aside, would be about 17 pence per subscriber taking a basic Sky/Virgin package.

All these figures are scalable but the idea that huge amounts are being saved or streaming services will (as a matter of course) be integrated into aggregated packages is fanciful.
Agreed. It's fanciful to kid ourselves that we save money by purchasing a wide range of streaming services as we don't have the same buying power as VMO2.

Raider999 02-12-2021 16:40
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Originally Posted by spankysmagicpian (Post 36103874)
Maybe OT but I can't find a thread for this - quick question.

I watched the Man City match last night on Amazon and it had the 'cinema feel' to the picture although of course, in HD. Flipped over to the Liverpool / Everton match after the coverage had finished and it was a 'normal' HD picture as in what you would expect from say Sky Sports.

I thought it maybe due to my older TV and frame rates but now baffled.
I watched the Man City game as well, watched Chelsea game afterwards - PQ nowhere near as good.

jfman 02-12-2021 20:45
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Watching United v Arsenal and it’s a full 55 seconds behind live according to one major bookmaker.

Mad Max 02-12-2021 21:12
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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36104072)
Watching United v Arsenal and it’s a full 55 seconds behind live according to one major bookmaker.
Yup, I watched some of the Man City game last night and it was at least 45 seconds to a minute behind, there was also motion blur when the ball was moving fast, streaming really needs to get their act together because this is hopeless.

Chris 02-12-2021 21:24
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Originally Posted by Mad Max (Post 36104077)
Yup, I watched some of the Man City game last night and it was at least 45 seconds to a minute behind, there was also motion blur when the ball was moving fast, streaming really needs to get their act together because this is hopeless.
When the stream is live, by definition there’s no time to add the extra jiggery-pokery that smooths out fast-moving scenes of the kind you get in any live sport. In fact, of all the things you can do with a live tv stream, sport is probably the most difficult. Viewing football smoothly in UHD needs the sort of rock-solid high bandwidth stream you can only reliably get from a broadcast source that isn’t compromised by reliance on the internet, or, I suspect, an extremely expensive TV with the processing power necessary to make up for it.

jfman 02-12-2021 21:36
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Originally Posted by Mad Max (Post 36104077)
Yup, I watched some of the Man City game last night and it was at least 45 seconds to a minute behind, there was also motion blur when the ball was moving fast, streaming really needs to get their act together because this is hopeless.
Out of curiosity what device are you using and can you force 50hz?

I’ve used some devices that insist on scaling to 4K60hz on “Auto” and you have to force 50.

Dare I say one of the pitfalls of this diverse streaming future, with a diverse range of apps on a diverse set of devices is it’s harder to troubleshoot these issues. :D

Mad Max 02-12-2021 22:35
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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36104082)
Out of curiosity what device are you using and can you force 50hz?

I’ve used some devices that insist on scaling to 4K60hz on “Auto” and you have to force 50.

Dare I say one of the pitfalls of this diverse streaming future, with a diverse range of apps on a diverse set of devices is it’s harder to troubleshoot these issues. :D
Are you referring to what I watched it on?

jfman 02-12-2021 22:38
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mad Max (Post 36104093)
Are you referring to what I watched it on?
Yes are you using a V6/Fire Stick/integrated app on the TV/Chromecast/laptop/games console etc.

Sorry could have been clearer.

Mad Max 02-12-2021 22:43
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36104094)
Yes are you using a V6/Fire Stick/integrated app on the TV/Chromecast/laptop/games console etc.

Sorry could have been clearer.
No worries, yeah I watched it on the Amazon Prime app via the V6 box.

jfman 02-12-2021 22:56
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mad Max (Post 36104096)
No worries, yeah I watched it on the Amazon Prime app via the V6 box.
Cool, that’ll be 50hz anyway so it won’t be a 60hz output causing the problem. Games consoles are usually a culprit for 60hz output.

Mad Max 02-12-2021 23:03
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36104099)
Cool, that’ll be 50hz anyway so it won’t be a 60hz output causing the problem. Games consoles are usually a culprit for 60hz output.

The game was ok PQ-wise, apart from the blur at times, but the delay isn't good.

Legendkiller2k 03-12-2021 01:22
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mad Max (Post 36104100)
The game was ok PQ-wise, apart from the blur at times, but the delay isn't good.
Amazon are still playing catch up, i watch on either peacock or nbcsports and no blurring at all, i use the firetv cube which tbf is a pretty powerful device.

jfman 03-12-2021 11:27
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https://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.ph...-25-5tbps.html

“Good” news that so many people enjoyed Amazon’s football coverage but bad news from BT with the reminder that someone has to pay for the fact streaming is a ruthlessly inefficient way to broadcast live events to millions of homes.

Raider999 03-12-2021 14:41
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36104133)
https://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.ph...-25-5tbps.html

“Good” news that so many people enjoyed Amazon’s football coverage but bad news from BT with the reminder that someone has to pay for the fact streaming is a ruthlessly inefficient way to broadcast live events to millions of homes.

I am sure OB can tell us what the resolution to that problem is.

jfman 03-12-2021 17:18
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Raider999 (Post 36104177)
I am sure OB can tell us what the resolution to that problem is.
Didn’t you catch it in the future of television thread? It’s satellites :D

Raider999 03-12-2021 17:25
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36104193)
Didn’t you catch it in the future of television thread? It’s satellites :D

:D:D:D

Mad Max 03-12-2021 19:47
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36104133)
https://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.ph...-25-5tbps.html

“Good” news that so many people enjoyed Amazon’s football coverage but bad news from BT with the reminder that someone has to pay for the fact streaming is a ruthlessly inefficient way to broadcast live events to millions of homes.

That says it all, as it stands right now, streaming of football is mingin. :D

Mad Max 04-12-2021 19:52
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How useless is the Toni Triage Bot, the bloody thing keeps asking the same questions, I want to cancel Premier Sports, but it looks like I need to phone, it's kind of stupid because to add that service you can do it via your V6 box, so why can Virgin not make it simple for people to cancel an added service?

Jaymoss 04-12-2021 20:15
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mad Max (Post 36104340)
How useless is the Toni Triage Bot, the bloody thing keeps asking the same questions, I want to cancel Premier Sports, but it looks like I need to phone, it's kind of stupid because to add that service you can do it via your V6 box, so why can Virgin not make it simple for people to cancel an added service?
cuz they want you to give up and keep it

Mad Max 04-12-2021 20:18
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jaymoss (Post 36104341)
cuz they want you to give up and keep it

Yeah, I think that's spot on, unfortunately.

jfman 04-12-2021 20:21
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Legendkiller2k (Post 36103720)
May be account specific so woth checking if you have NOW, Sky sports offer £14.99p/m for 3 months nice price for over the festive season.
I got that one offered.

If you look through google shopping you can find codes for discounts on sports/movies/entertainment and boost for a few pounds. Not sure who these sellers are (or where they get them) but I bought the Boost one (£2 a month for 6 months for £2.29) to add to the others I've gradually accumulated from Now.

I've currently got entertainment for £4.99, movies £2.99, sports £14.99 and boost £2 all on my account for the festive season. Will see what they offer me when I go to cancel. :D

Mad Max 04-12-2021 20:53
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I had previously cancelled the Now Tv sub, I brought it back for the new season of the excellent Succession drama, I got a free seven-day trial and then cancelled online as I didn't want to pay £9.99 per month for the entertainment package, I got the usual stay with us etc etc and kept going to the cancel section, and low and behold, I got the entertainment package for £3.99. :)

Legendkiller2k 05-12-2021 01:32
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mad Max (Post 36104347)
I had previously cancelled the Now Tv sub, I brought it back for the new season of the excellent Succession drama, I got a free seven-day trial and then cancelled online as I didn't want to pay £9.99 per month for the entertainment package, I got the usual stay with us etc etc and kept going to the cancel section, and low and behold, I got the entertainment package for £3.99. :)
Yes the multiple "stay with us" is being looked into by the powers that be as it may be unlawful, it should only ask once if you want to cancel and then make a offer, not ask 3 or 4 times if you want to cancel.

Raider999 05-12-2021 12:19
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The business pages of Today's Telegraph leads with an article stating Discovery is in discussions with BT which may result in the DAZN bid being rejected.

Apparently the details of the DAZN bid are not agreed as yet - major sticking points being :-

BT wanting guarantees of the reliability of DAZN's streaming - concerns over blackouts during live coverage which might lead to BT losing broadband customers

DAZN's commitment to maintaining current sports rights

DAZN wanting BT to give long-term guarantees from BT to cover any potential customer cancellations - something BT refuses to do.

It seems all is not perfect in the world of streaming!

jfman 05-12-2021 13:39
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Raider999 (Post 36104379)
The business pages of Today's Telegraph leads with an article stating Discovery is in discussions with BT which may result in the DAZN bid being rejected.

Apparently the details of the DAZN bid are not agreed as yet - major sticking points being :-

BT wanting guarantees of the reliability of DAZN's streaming - concerns over blackouts during live coverage which might lead to BT losing broadband customers

DAZN's commitment to maintaining current sports rights

DAZN wanting BT to give long-term guarantees from BT to cover any potential customer cancellations - something BT refuses to do.

It seems all is not perfect in the world of streaming!
Sounds like this spending billions on sports rights thing is much harder than some on the forum continue to portray.

Raider999 05-12-2021 16:36
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36104397)
Sounds like this spending billions on sports rights thing is much harder than some on the forum continue to portray.

Oh, I think spending billions on sports rights is easy - it is turning your investment into a profit that is difficult

OLD BOY 05-12-2021 20:25
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Raider999 (Post 36104415)
Oh, I think spending billions on sports rights is easy - it is turning your investment into a profit that is difficult
No, the real problem is streaming quality. Once they’ve ironed this out, the rest will be a piece of cake.

BT wouldn’t want to risk a customer backlash such as occurred in Italy recently.

Chris 05-12-2021 22:03
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Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36104435)
No, the real problem is streaming quality. Once they’ve ironed this out, the rest will be a piece of cake.

BT wouldn’t want to risk a customer backlash such as occurred in Italy recently.
It’s not a matter of ironing. The shirt isn’t even finished yet - not by a long way. And it’s still unclear it would be better than the one we’re already wearing.

jfman 05-12-2021 22:51
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Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36104435)
No, the real problem is streaming quality. Once they’ve ironed this out, the rest will be a piece of cake.

BT wouldn’t want to risk a customer backlash such as occurred in Italy recently.
That’s like saying I could be UPS if I had some vans, but I wouldn’t want to risk the customer backlash of not having an integrated international distribution chain.

These things are absolutely essential to the viability (or otherwise) of an exclusively streaming future. Alternative, for meagre pennies, content can continue to be distributed along satellite/cable for those who want it and streaming for those who prefer that. Or in practice a combination for all users who feel far less strongly than you do and want a quality experience. Which at the top end of the market you have to deliver.

Raider999 06-12-2021 19:10
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Have just watched Wolves v Burnley from last week's Prime round.

Now watching Leeds v Brentford from early morning showing of yesterday's game on Sky PL.

The difference in PQ is staggering (Leeds game is better standard of football as well)

Whilst it is nice to have all the games available Sky is currently winning hands down over Prime - watching one after the other makes me appreciate how poor the PQ is on Prime.

TimeLord2018 06-12-2021 19:19
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FX Unifies Branding Across All Platforms, Drops ‘FX On Hulu’ Moniker As It Ramps Up Output & Goes Global

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FX is joining National Geographic as a singular brand across linear and streaming Disney platforms globally. Beginning this month, the “FX on Hulu” branding will be phased out, with FX programming — exclusive originals as well as next-day shows from the FX linear channels and library content
https://deadline.com/2021/12/fx-unif...ed-1234884658/
.

denphone 06-12-2021 19:45
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Raider999 (Post 36104532)
Have just watched Wolves v Burnley from last week's Prime round.

Now watching Leeds v Brentford from early morning showing of yesterday's game on Sky PL.

The difference in PQ is staggering (Leeds game is better standard of football as well)

Whilst it is nice to have all the games available Sky is currently winning hands down over Prime - watching one after the other makes me appreciate how poor the PQ is on Prime.
l watched the Merseyside derby the other night on Prime and the PQ was pretty rubbish.

jfman 06-12-2021 21:29
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Watching the Arsenal game on a (legitimately purchased) foreign TV provider and only 30 seconds behind a popular betting app.

PQ acceptable for the price, HD but not as good as linear Sky Sports HD on the V6. Probably not as good as the Now TV (with Boost) stream either although watching on a different TV. Martin Tyler commentating too.

OLD BOY 06-12-2021 23:30
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36104450)
Or in practice a combination for all users who feel far less strongly than you do and want a quality experience.
I don’t feel strongly about it, I just think this is the way it’s all going. Digital TV had its problems in the early days with stuttering, blocking, etc, but look at it now.

ozsat 07-12-2021 05:57
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The commentator is a major drawback.

Recently I compare the BT Sport live broadcast to a stream of the same match and found BT was about 20 seconds behind. I asked my wife to check the match clocks to confirm I wasn't wrong.

Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36104549)
Martin Tyler commentating too.

denphone 07-12-2021 09:49
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Starzplay is available on Prime at £1.99 a month for 6 months.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/video/of...50202:loc-4076

Legendkiller2k 07-12-2021 10:28
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Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 36104599)
Starzplay is available on Prime at £1.99 a month for 6 months.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/video/of...50202:loc-4076
Also via starzplay direct if you don't have Scamazon prime. https://www.starz.com/gb/en/

jfman 07-12-2021 10:54
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Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36104568)
I don’t feel strongly about it, I just think this is the way it’s all going. Digital TV had its problems in the early days with stuttering, blocking, etc, but look at it now.
You clearly feel very strongly about it hence the very large number of threads and posts in absolute terms about the subject.

OLD BOY 07-12-2021 13:54
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36104604)
You clearly feel very strongly about it hence the very large number of threads and posts in absolute terms about the subject.
No, just saying that it’s what I think the future will look like. If people stopped arguing and accepted that that’s what I believe will happen, this thread would be a lot shorter! :D

Carth 07-12-2021 14:00
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it's only a few days ago that Virgin TV had a 'bit of an issue' :D

Luckily, those with a TV aerial were still able to watch something. ;)

jfman 07-12-2021 14:42
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Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36104625)
No, just saying that it’s what I think the future will look like. If people stopped arguing and accepted that that’s what I believe will happen, this thread would be a lot shorter! :D
I don’t think anyone disputes you believe it, OB. There’s simply a recognition of multiple technological and economic challenges that you appear to either not consider or dismiss prematurely.

I’d expect very few users to post opinions even they don’t believe. Probably a couple around but not many.

OLD BOY 07-12-2021 14:58
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36104630)
I don’t think anyone disputes you believe it, OB. There’s simply a recognition of multiple technological and economic challenges that you appear to either not consider or dismiss prematurely.

I’d expect very few users to post opinions even they don’t believe. Probably a couple around but not many.
The reason I think streaming will take over is simply that TV broadcasts via aerials will transition to IPTV, and Sky is already transitioning to that method of broadcasting. The bandwidth used for aerial broadcasts will be used for other purposes.

As you have said many times, it’s just another way of watching the same content. But the TV audience will notice the difference due to the way that content is accessed. As you know, I believe that existing channels are most likely to be abolished, although the names of TV providers will be preserved (for example all the ITV channels will just end up as ITV, indexed by category and on demand). Linear schedules as we have them now will almost certainly cease, although start and end times will be provided in advance for live events and streamed (as they are now).

You may think otherwise, and that’s fine. You can just state that and we can move on. Links to support your view would be good. But instead you just have to argue.

In the meantime, streaming becomes ever more popular.

https://advanced-television.com/2021...his-christmas/

By the way, we all know that this is the point at which you denigrate the news content provider. :D

Doesn’t mean it’s not true, though.

jfman 07-12-2021 15:39
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It’s no real surprise that if you give people more time off work they’ll watch more television. The same goes for any means of watching it so the blog doesn’t particularly offer that much insight into the massive switch in consumer behaviour that would be necessary to facilitate the much prophesied end of linear television.

Hugh 07-12-2021 15:41
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You appear to be conflating "using a different method of delivery" with "transitioning".

It’s not an either/or, it’s "here’s a choice if you don’t want a dish".

jfman 07-12-2021 18:34
Re: Streaming services news, offers and general chit chat
 
Hang on I just read that advanced television article. It has some gems.

Quote:
Nevertheless, whilst the appetite for content over Christmas is strong, almost one in five (18 per cent) report that they can’t afford to sign up to every streaming service to access all the festive content they’d like to watch.
Quote:
As a result, many young adults appear to have planned ahead and have saved free trials of streaming services ready to unwrap this Christmas,
Quote:
However, one in five (19 per cent) plan to cancel some of their services immediately after the holidays, rising to a quarter (24 per cent) of 18-34 year olds
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Moreover, one in five (21 per cent) Brits (rising to 24 per cent of 18-34 year olds) are planning to make the most of free streaming services to expand their library of festive content without having to fork out for more subscriptions.
Read: piracy.

Quote:
This comes as a similar number (16 per cent) of 18-34 year olds call on streaming services to introduce advertisements over the Christmas period to allow access to their content for free.
Quote:
Streaming platforms should consider it their New Year’s resolution to offer hybrid subscriptions, where some content is free and some is ad-supported, ensuring that everyone can fill up on the TV they want,
I’m not sure all of this is indicative of the low cost, ad free streaming service we were all promised by the Ghost of Christmas Past. It’s giving off heavy vibes of the Ghost of Christmas Future and a miserly time ahead.

Hugh 07-12-2021 22:10
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I thought the best bit was the unbiased advice from Phil Duffield.

Quote:
“As the countdown to Christmas approaches, it’s clear that streaming is fast becoming the new digital fireplace in most households” commented Phil Duffield, VP UK at The Trade Desk. “This is a testament to the premium content now available on a plethora of streaming platforms, with creativity to be found in spades.”

“Every consumer deserves access to the same wealth of content, and advertising can make this possible. There is a clear appetite for this – particularly among the younger generations who are more likely to miss out. Streaming platforms should consider it their New Year’s resolution to offer hybrid subscriptions, where some content is free and some is ad-supported, ensuring that everyone can fill up on the TV they want.
The Trade Desk is a "technology company that empowers buyers of advertising around the world."

Nothing says unbiased like someone from a company that sells advertising advising streamers to insert ads in their output…

1andrew1 07-12-2021 23:19
Re: Streaming services news, offers and general chit chat
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36104684)
I thought the best bit was the unbiased advice from Phil Duffield.

The Trade Desk is a "technology company that empowers buyers of advertising around the world."

Nothing says unbiased like someone from a company that sells advertising advising streamers to insert ads in their output…
Who commissioned the survey and doubtless input to the questions asked?

Quote:
Almost half of Brits (48 per cent) have revealed they are planning to watch more TV via streaming over the Christmas holidays, compared to usual, according to research commissioned by adtech company, The Trade Desk.

OLD BOY 07-12-2021 23:49
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36104627)
it's only a few days ago that Virgin TV had a 'bit of an issue' :D

Luckily, those with a TV aerial were still able to watch something. ;)
True. We get power cuts too but does that make electricity an untenable option to power our appliances?

---------- Post added at 23:44 ---------- Previous post was at 23:38 ----------

Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36104643)
It’s no real surprise that if you give people more time off work they’ll watch more television. The same goes for any means of watching it so the blog doesn’t particularly offer that much insight into the massive switch in consumer behaviour that would be necessary to facilitate the much prophesied end of linear television.
And of course the reason they turned to streaming during lockdown was because there was so little of much interest to watch on ‘normal’ TV.

You didn’t make that link, did you?

The change in consumer behaviour will come because streaming is the method the broadcasters will use. If scheduled TV no longer exists, it can’t be accessed, can it?

---------- Post added at 23:46 ---------- Previous post was at 23:44 ----------

Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36104644)
You appear to be conflating "using a different method of delivery" with "transitioning".

It’s not an either/or, it’s "here’s a choice if you don’t want a dish".
True, until the dishes are no longer used for broadcasting services. Sky won’t keep them in use forever.

---------- Post added at 23:49 ---------- Previous post was at 23:46 ----------

Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36104684)
I thought the best bit was the unbiased advice from Phil Duffield.



The Trade Desk is a "technology company that empowers buyers of advertising around the world."

Nothing says unbiased like someone from a company that sells advertising advising streamers to insert ads in their output…
Every news media company is biased, even the BBC, sad to say. It doesn’t make all their content untrue, however.

Feel free to post your links with a different bias if you wish.

jfman 08-12-2021 00:16
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Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36104699)
True. We get power cuts too but does that make electricity an untenable option to power our appliances?
Well no, but if you put all eggs in one basket that reduces the options for receiving any transmissions at all, over terrestrial, satellite, cable or the internet (mobile and fixed line).

Quote:
And of course the reason they turned to streaming during lockdown was because there was so little of much interest to watch on ‘normal’ TV.
Well yes, more hours at home and less production hours meant more people were looking beyond their usual platforms. This isn't a surprise.

Quote:
You didn’t make that link, did you?
Yes, I've referred to it before on the forum.

Quote:
The change in consumer behaviour will come because streaming is the method the broadcasters will use. If scheduled TV no longer exists, it can’t be accessed, can it?
Which comes first the chicken or the egg?

Quote:
True, until the dishes are no longer used for broadcasting services. Sky won’t keep them in use forever.
Forever? 2035? 2045?

Quote:
Every news media company is biased, even the BBC, sad to say. It doesn’t make all their content untrue, however.

Feel free to post your links with a different bias if you wish.
It makes their content questionable in the extreme.

Hugh 08-12-2021 09:35
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Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36104699)
Snippety-snip-snip…

Every news media company is biased, even the BBC, sad to say. It doesn’t make all their content untrue, however.

Feel free to post your links with a different bias if you wish.
Erm, The Trade Desk isn’t a "news media" company, it’s a "selling advertising" company, and if you can’t see that a company that sells software which helps companies buy advertising, producing a survey that states streamers should use more advertising, may be not fully impartial and not on the side of the consumers, I’ve got a bridge for sale you might be interested in… ;)

Media Boy UK 08-12-2021 14:07
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Is DAZN moving away from Streaming services into the TV world?

Look like DAZN is set to launch an UK Pay TV Channel called DAZN PPV

https://www.ofcom.org.uk/manage-your...cences/updates

jfman 08-12-2021 14:54
Re: Streaming services news, offers and general chit chat
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Media Boy (Post 36104783)
Is DAZN moving away from Streaming services into the TV world?

Look like DAZN is set to launch an UK Pay TV Channel called DAZN PPV

https://www.ofcom.org.uk/manage-your...cences/updates
They obviously know nobody is going to pay £29.99 for a dodgy stream of a Joshua fight.

Raider999 08-12-2021 16:18
Re: Streaming services news, offers and general chit chat
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36104785)
They obviously know nobody is going to pay £29.99 for a dodgy stream of a Joshua fight.
Wouldn't pay that for any fight even if it was in glorious UHD - could be all over in the first round!

jfman 08-12-2021 17:29
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Raider999 (Post 36104794)
Wouldn't pay that for any fight even if it was in glorious UHD - could be all over in the first round!
There’s enough of us mugs out there willing to be parted with our cash for a decent PPV. Although on principle I try to keep it to legit fights and not hyped journeymen. :D

OLD BOY 08-12-2021 23:22
Re: Streaming services news, offers and general chit chat
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36104712)

It makes their content questionable in the extreme.
As that applies to all media, you obviously think that everything you read is questionable in the extreme.

That explains a lot about you, jfman. And yet you still ask for links just to be annoying….

---------- Post added at 23:22 ---------- Previous post was at 23:19 ----------

Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36104725)
Erm, The Trade Desk isn’t a "news media" company, it’s a "selling advertising" company, and if you can’t see that a company that sells software which helps companies buy advertising, producing a survey that states streamers should use more advertising, may be not fully impartial and not on the side of the consumers, I’ve got a bridge for sale you might be interested in… ;)
It still doesn’t make the article invalid.

Why can’t you just respond to what articles say and make your own argument in contradiction to show that you actually have an answer?

Chris 08-12-2021 23:40
Re: Streaming services news, offers and general chit chat
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36104877)
As that applies to all media, you obviously think that everything you read is questionable in the extreme.

That explains a lot about you, jfman. And yet you still ask for links just to be annoying….

---------- Post added at 23:22 ---------- Previous post was at 23:19 ----------



It still doesn’t make the article invalid.

Why can’t you just respond to what articles say and make your own argument in contradiction to show that you actually have an answer?
There are none so blind as those who will not see.

Hugh’s answer was perfectly reasonable. The Trade Desk isn’t a newspaper or a magazine publisher, its an agency that sells advertising. The web page you linked to is a very obvious part of its sales and marketing strategy.

I would no more waste time on them than I would forming arguments against the DFS junk mail that comes through my letterbox.


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