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People will revolt against stupid rules.

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They may revolt against rules they are too stupid to understand, yes. And the politicians who told them not to trust experts for the best part of a decade.

I'm as much for a revolution against the British ruling classes as the next ordinary bloke. The good news is though that it's unlikely that there will be a sufficiently watered down revolution for the Conservatives to survive it.

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That’s not what I said.

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I know it wasn’t your intent. However someone may consider something “stupid” because they lack the ability to fully understand or comprehend it. In many cases, especially if reliant on our esteemed tabloid press, people may lack the ability to understand Covid guidance. Thus they need legislation. Therefore could not be trusted to follow guidelines as they do in Sweden.

Some may consider being the fifth (sixth, seventh? I lose track) biggest economy in the world and being unable to afford an adequate Covid response “stupid”.

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On that, we have an accord.

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We can afford an adequate Covid response - witness the £12bn track and trace. Unfortunately, we don't seem to have the ability to do so.

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We're doomed a' tell ye, all doomed.:shocked:

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You have been listening too much to Nostradamus.;)

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What's the Sage of Streaming been saying? :D

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The Netflix Nostradamus hasn't been saying much of late. Unsurprising given the diminishing capital of herd immunity.

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Looks like another full lockdown on Wednesday. https://twitter.com/Steven_Swinford/...94630906503171

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Not really surprising. That said - without educational settings it's almost meaningless as the greatest growth is in 11-24 year olds according to ONS.

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Extending half term for another week was suggested but rebuffed which is a shame.

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Bread and butter. The entire idea of 8/9 weeks off at the summer and 190 days school dates back to getting kids to go out and work in agriculture.

We may well still be in this position next year at this time.

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Whatever you think of the lockdown it's pretty stupid that the Tories have been constantly attacking Labour in Wales for doing their own version and saying only yesterday that there were no plans to close non-essential jobs.

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https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/n...ooms-8mphnk5h9

Might have to change plans about going out for a meal for SWMBO’s 60th on Thursday 5th November...

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Apparently, they're none too pleased with BoJo. Both for this U-turn which dumps them in it and the way it's been communicated; it doesn't allow them much time to prepare their messaging for anyone who asks them for their current views on the Welsh lockdown.

Dan Hodges, a commentator for the Mail on Sunday has also opined:
https://twitter.com/DPJHodges/status...09504348901376

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what a great way to govern a nation - Friday night rumours...

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Hang on some of the greatest minds in the nation are here.

Andrew, Damien, Max, Pierre and me of course. :D

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Not the first time either...

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Our family had plans for Wednesday which seem highly unlikely now.

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And look out for the last minute crowds superspreading between now and then and without an efficient track and trace system we may have a lot more lockdown action for the foreseeable future. As for a vaccine that works and is safe I don't really think that's viable for some time.

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Indeed as l am expecting another months lockdown in a months time after he announce the second lockdown later on Monday and l suspect this lockdown cycle will continue until the spring..

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What do you expect if morons will continue to gather in large numbers AND take part in activities that are pretty much guaranteed to spread it around, ie swapping saliva.
Link
Link

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Yup - I did one for them last weekend (tested negative).

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Sky News is reporting that a leak enquiry has been set up by BoJo. Emergency services reported to be unhappy with the situation as it places pressure on them this weekend which they've not planned for.
https://news.sky.com/story/coronavir...down-121193149

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The Govt. always leak these things to guage reaction and pave the way before they actually do anything rash like acting. Cummings doing his valuable.'work' I should think.

Too late and too ineffective again. If they'd acted a month ago when scientists told them then lockdown wouldn't be.needed for nearly as long. Too worried about what Mps and newpapers think than the health of the nation. If only they'd listened to Sir Keir a few weeks ago instead of trying to undermine and ignore their own scientific advice. Plonkers.

BTW what happened to our 'World Beating' track and trace system ? Why is no one accountable for failure anylonger?

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PM to hold news conference as lockdown considered https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-54762048

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Number 10 Press Conference will now be at 5pm as it was originally scheduled for 4pm.

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During the Rugby...

That’ll be popular

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It could have been during Strictly Come Dancing..;)

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Gives them an extra hour to make up the "science".

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Another national lockdown will be an embarrassment for him. I can’t believe he’d go for it.

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BREAKING: Sky News understands that Prime Minister, Boris Johnson will announce tonight that ALL of England will move in to a Tier 4 system, which means a national lockdown, everything closes except Schools and Universities and essential shops and construction businesses.

All of England to be plunged into a new Tier 4,

Sky News understands

• All pubs and restaurants to close
  
• Non-essential retail to close - though supermarkets won't have to cordon off any areas
  
• No mixing outside homes
  
• Schools and universities to remain open
  
• Construction and courts to remain open

The new measures will last until 2 December, Sky political editor Beth Rigby understands

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavir...dered-12115680

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So much so they have removed their pinned tweet on social media.

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I don’t understand why he went so hard against it only days/weeks ago. He had great fun mocking Starmer for it and ruling it out in interviews. Given SAGE had advised it and at the time cases were rising he must have known he might have to do it. Why not leave yourself an out?

Given the consequences this will have on the economy and peoples lives I think they deserve some leeway to try everything they can to avoid it but the bombastic way in which they’ve dismissed it makes them look like idiots without a plan.

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Well ........not really a “lockdown” is it. Basically they have sacrificed the pub/restaurant sector on the altar of COVID 19, when there’s no real evidence ( that I have seen) that they are the breeding grounds for infection.

More half-arsed, I’ll thought knee-jerk reaction.

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PA reckons the press conference has been pushed back again. It is now expected at 6.30pm...

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The "hospitality sector" might not be the places people get infected often, but the crowds milling about back-and-forth could be.

:dunce:

I walked into a supermarket yesterday (prescriptions to collect) and was shocked by the crowds of families loading trolleys like it was the end of the world. I got in-and-out in minutes.

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BJ has probably locked himself in his bedroom, and refusing to come out... :erm:

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Isn't the lock on the outside? :)

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6:30 i'll be starting on my Hammer Horror film boxset, so he'll have to shift it again.

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And Carrie has hidden the key... :D

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Maybe the delays are because the Cabinet don't fully agree or there is trouble from backbench MPs. ;)

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Hugh Nailed it earlier - the rugby will be over then......

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Great, another fracking lockdown. :mad:

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Non-essential shops and transport limitations will be in place from the rumours so far.

It's sounding like lockdown minus. Lockdown but schools and universities are open.

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Probably having trouble making the "science" sound even remotely credible/ colouring in a few slides and making some wild graphs to make the "science" look vaguely realistic if you don't question it too much.

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'Eat out to help out', worked out well didn't it? A tenner saved and a virus gained. Glad I opted out...

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Cui Bono?

Who stands to benefit from a made up national lockdown?

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Hard to say, do any of the scientists /advisers have shares in companies producing vaccines,constant lock downs would quickly promote the use of a vaccine and make a few people very rich :scratch:

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I didn't participate but yes it was a master class in stupidity.



I can't wait for the briefing, i love the colouring in and wiggly lines, it really makes me believe in the "science" and feel my life is in good hands.

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The usual nonsense from you. Yes it did work out well, and Im glad I opted in.
You have zero evidence it caused many issues, esp given it finished two months ago.

Sending students back has caused the biggest issue around here.

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It looks like some of the online supermarket sites are being overwhelmed with the Sainsburys website down, No Waitrose delivery slots available and Morrisons stating they have no delivery slots until mid-November.

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Really? If not, it rather begs the question of by what other mechanism is it transmitted.:rolleyes: It's about how people behave in pubs and restaurants, ie NOT wearing masks.
Link

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Wouldn’t all the virologists and epidemiologists in all the countries in the world have to be involved?

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My sister told me the local asda was having the shelves emptied by panic buyers this afternoon.

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Yeah but......meh.

You can still buy whatever you want from Tesco or online.

It’ll just kill the B&Q, small boutique shops, and hairdressers.........again when there is no evidence they are a risk.

Lockdowns are not the answer, unless you properly lockdown everything.

Locking down shops, hairdresser etc, but keeping schools & Universities open is just plain stupid. ( believe me I want schools to stay open).

Either lockdown or don’t lockdown.

I can’t stand this half-arsery, this “lockdown” will do nothing but cause hardship, grief and upset ........Merry Ffffin Christmas.

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It was a free for all in Morrisons yesterday. Quite frightening, especially the turds milling around with no mask/mask under their noses.

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And when did cases start increasing?
When and where did the original infected students get it from?

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https://www.theguardian.com/business...-rise-in-covid

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"could have".

I 'could have' won the lottery jackpot.

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Wouldn't that be a bugger all that money and all the shops shut down:)

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So what other transmission methods, other than related to breathing, are you claiming for a respiratory infection?
There was the infamous case of bus travellers in Wuhan. Just one infected person led to the infection of several others. Including people who were not on the bus at the same time as that person.
Link from March

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Late again (story of the U K pandemic response) The rugby hasn't finished. Someone didn't tell him they stop the clock in rugby for every little thing....

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Our Morrisons still has slots for next week (atm).
The site is clearly quite busy though, so I expect there to be less as the evening progresses.

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Booked mine for the weeks ahead yesterday. Nothing must interrupt the wine supply.

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Busy buying off his revolting (in both senses of the word) backbenchers - with probably better sweeteners then they refused to give Andy Burnham.

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Another 15 minutes l hear..;)

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Is this clown on BBC the one that signed the "Great" Barrington declaration?

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:confused:
What are you bleating on about, I have not mentioned 'transmission methods'.

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BREAKING: It is official, we do not have an official effective government.

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In fairness Mick that’s not breaking news for some of us.

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We have a knee jerk government, as I said months ago, and more than once since.

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The knee hasn't jerked soon enough is the problem. Alway behind other countries, even other UK countries.

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That has been obvious for some for some while some would say...

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Finally!

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Your "could have" implies it would've been impossible to spread in the pub/restaurant environments.

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That would be plausible......except that there was not an increase in the summer.

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Schools and universities are clearly the biggest driver. Hospitality a factor just like everything else but not biggest.

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Exactly.

Which is why this is...........well I don’t know what it is...........other than pissing in the wind.

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Yes

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#ClosetheSchools hashtag is trending on twitter at the moment.

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My sister is a safeguarding officer for local schools,she was praying they would close.

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Well I don’t think they should, but then I don’t advocate lockdowns.

However, if they don’t then any lockdown will be totally ineffective.

Which is why this latest announcement is trouserless.

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When did "could have" get redefined to mean 'impossible' ?

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No more than you would expect on twitter. :dozey:

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Northern Ireland closed the schools (and other restrictions) for two weeks and cases roughly halved.

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Was it not just an extra week tagged onto the school holidays?

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It was yes, which made it even more of a no-brainer of a decision as it minimised impact on wider economy.

I genuinely think they need to look at the structure of the school year temporarily. Pierre is right that restrictions without factoring schools into it at all is ineffective. Not suggesting they close for month, but factoring in 2-3 weeks off every 8 weeks or so would do much to break transmission chains.

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And when they return to school, then what happens?
Closing schools didn't work first time around did it?

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It’s not a silver bullet but the “schools open at all costs” strategy is only going to leave the wider economy in more severe restrictions and for longer.

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Did anyone think Johnson was oddly more articulate than normal in his speech? There was less of the bonhomie clown act and less florid language but instead a lot more precise and calm.

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The main points I got from it were:

• Second lockdown.
  
• A lockdown but not like the first lockdown.
  
• Schools/Universities to remain open.
  
• Furlough extended for a month. Was due to end tonight.

I think the bit I have highlighted in red, could be problematic, in that how will it cause the R rate to be under 1, with children mixing with other potentially infectious children, passing on the virus?

The growing unrest and mental health of people could see issues of suicide rise exponentially. (It already is to some degree).

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No disrespect to you Mick, but no shit Sherlock.

I think everybody that has a brain is thinking that.

Which makes this whole announcement a debacle.

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I wonder who gove the story to the Times yesterday?

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I saw the game you played there... ;)