Re: Black Lives Matter
 

Whether correct or incorrect, your point doesn't support Nomad King's statement that

Re: Black Lives Matter
 

So nobody has ever been fired or forced to resign over such things.:shocked: Countless examples out there in the REAL WORLD. I'm not going to go around forever bookmarking every little story, just in case it's needed at some point in the future. No real easy way of retrospectively coming up with a list. Over the years, case after case has been reported. To deny it's not happening can only be if you are not reading or viewing news reports, international, national, or local.



Whether or not you approve of the source, the cases listed are GENUINE and are reported elsewhere.
Link.

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The newspaper said he resigned because he failed to meet editorial standards, not because he wasn't woke.
Do you actually have any proper examples and in this country?

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Quite worrying if true... 'Revealed: The British arm of Black Lives Matter's full agenda - abolish the police, smash capitalism... and close all prisons'.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...es-Matter.html

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Good to see the DM is only 12 days behind CF - I posted this on the 12th June, post #91 in this thread

Also, it won't let you read it unless you disable your ad-blocker, then it immediately (and I tried repeatedly) takes you to a spam competition pretending to be Virgin Media.

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I read it OK,I wasn't asked to disable my ad blocker nor was I taken to a spam comp.

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Didn't realise it was a list of ONE.:rolleyes:


Didn't realise I was expected to keep a detailed record of each instance that has been reported over the years.

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"disproportionately harm black people.:confused: Isn't it Black people themselves doing that? Operation Trident was started because Black people were being killed.
Trevor Philips

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Seriously? You still read this rag?:rolleyes:

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So instead of commenting on the content you have to have a dig. I know you've got a grudge with me and that's fine but it is tiresome. Try contributing for a change.

Re: Black Lives Matter
 

George Washington in Portland and Uylsses S Grant statues toppled in San Francisco.

Re: Black Lives Matter
 

Man loses his job for confronting a man chalkimg BLM outside his home:

​https://www.msn.com/en-gb/finance/ot...bep_csid=18986

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Re: Black Lives Matter
 

I am contributing.I have been trying to get people to actually come up with any kind of strategy to actually address the issue..and the Daily Mail won't offer any practical help in that regard.It's a publication that frequently fans the flames of hatred.

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Well, they can start with introducing a general equality law rather than specify the particular minority groups who can benefit from it. That would at least end the resentment of able-bodied, heterosexual white men that currently exists. Maybe then people will start to see equality in a different light.

With all members of the public on board (due to self interest) the pressure will finally exist to weigh against employers who do not have proper processes in place to select staff, against police to demonstrate suitable cause to arrest and detain, etc. The population will be speaking with one voice.

I do believe education is already happening. All the young people I contact are very aware of the stupidity and injustice of discrimination in all its forms. The older generation who hold racist views are, frankly, beyond help, but they are becoming less relevant with time.

However, minority groups need to be careful as well. If they press too hard, resentment will surface on both sides. This whole issue needs to be carefully managed, and pulling down statues will have the opposite effect from that intended by right thinking people.

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The thing is there isn't a law that specifically targets minority groups. It's people, and their interpretation of said laws. White, able bodied, heterosexual men don't experience the downside of such unconscious, or even conscious, bias.

Admirable in it's ignorance of the divisions within society, cross cutting race, class, political standing, gender, age.

I'd say the opposite. While the older, more ignorant, generations are dying out the flag of nationalism is stoking up divisions around the world at the minute. Given the failure of capitalism, and globalisation, to generate wealth that everyone has a stake in such divisions will only continue.

Who can possibly resent someone who simply wants equality? As said white, heterosexual, able-bodied man. It'd be extremely ignorant of me to claim that everyone has exactly the same opportunities as me in education or employment. And the reasons are entirely structural. Who wouldn't be pissed off if the game was fundamentally rigged against them?

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I think your not going to get anything that works Maggy. As the two posts show, when one person suggests something there's another person to pull it apart.

I'm not having pops at OB & jfman, they're just an example of why nothing usually gets sorted to any satisfaction.

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Thanks :D

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I dont know how you managed to say that with a straight face. :erm:

Did you miss the post about the Football League 'rule'.
Is there a rule that says they must interview a none BAME candidate ?
(Answer: No, there isnt).

I have seen countless adverts from my local council stating they "particularly welcome" applicants from non white communities, more bias.

You dont fix racism by applying it in the opposite direction.

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:clap:

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:tu:

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All anyone should want is equality of opportunity. As long as there is equal and fair access for all. Outcome should depend on the individuals talent and ability.

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Yep, that works for ageism too.

Sheesh, the number of roles/positions I 'enquired' about and had the firm falling all over me . . . until they discovered my age* :D



*when I was in late 50's

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Don't we already have that https://www.eoc.org.uk/

The Equality Act has specified 9 areas that are termed in the legislation as protected characteristics. These include (in no particular order):

Age
Sex
Race
Disability
Pregnancy
Marital status
Sexual orientation.
Gender reassignment
Religious background

Re: Black Lives Matter
 

Indeed but my point was more aimed at those that push for equality of outcome. i.e. a specific quota of whatever minority you might think of.

Meaning you put a less able and qualified person ahead of a more able and qualified person just to fulfil an outcome.

Re: Black Lives Matter
 

Positive discrimination ? https://coodes.co.uk/blog/positive-d...n%20the%20past.

An employer is guilty of positive discrimination if they hire or seek an individual purely based on their protected characteristic, rather than experience or qualifications. Protected characteristics include race, gender, age, disability, religion and sexual orientation.

Positive discrimination also includes setting quotas or benchmarks in the recruitment process, or promoting a specific number of people within a minority group.

Re: Black Lives Matter
 

It's a law - doesn't mean it's always followed (otherwise, we wouldn't have drunk drivers, speeders, burglars, murderers, etc. as there are also laws against those).

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Never seen that happen - just because someone has a "protected characteristic" doesn't mean they'll get a job because of that; they also have to have the competencies, capabilities, and required experience.

(unless you're talking about political Ministerial posts - experience and competency don't seem to be a requisite (for whichever party is in power)).

Re: Black Lives Matter
 

Pretty sure that, for years, I've been reading about the need for a push to employ more >*insert race, confused gender, disability here*< because they're lower than the statistics say they should be.

Isn't that akin to employing people based on statistics rather than ability?

Re: Black Lives Matter
 

Like they seem to do at the BBC? :D

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This "equality of opportunity" is just a load of nonsense. There are so many factors involved for EVERYBODY. If anything, it's White, British, Heterosexual, Males, that are last in line.

Re: Black Lives Matter
 

:rofl:

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So how many schemes and how much money go to things that include them?
Eg
So many other factors involved, and race ISN'T one of them. Eg Better to live in the right area, where there are race tracks, and the engineering companies that go with it. The White people in F1 DIDN'T ONLY get there simply because they are White.:rolleyes: They also didn't get there overnight.

Re: Black Lives Matter
 

So how many black or female F1 drivers are there?

Re: Black Lives Matter
 

Lewis Hamilton springs to mind.

Re: Black Lives Matter
 

I don't know anyone who pushes for that, but when you have all-male boards and half the population is female you start to wonder what criteria makes someone more able? Is it because they look and sounds like similar people on the board? Is unconscious bias playing a role?

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This instance is not applying it in the opposite direction. If an employer is under-represented in some communities be it race, gender, age etc then it needs to ensure it is welcoming to people from such communities to encourage them to apply.
Having a diverse workforce brings different perspectives and ideas to the table and should ultimately make it more successful.

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How many are remotely interested? How many have the dedication required? How many have anything like the required qualifications and more importantly ABILITY?

The main factor helping out Lewis Hamilton was the support from his father. Without it, he wouldn't have got anywhere.

Difficult to be sure from the pictures and/or listed nationality.
F1 Drivers At least 3.
F2 Drivers At least 5.
F3 Drivers At least 3.
Those with surnames such as Scumacher, Piquet, Alesi, Fittipaldi have advantages, but still nothing whatsoever to do with race.:rolleyes:

Eg So much racing engine technology takes place within a 20 mile radius of Northampton. We also have Silverstone race track.

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They tend to get to those positions because of ABILITY. Bet none of the companies that have mainly non-white or females as employees or board members gets any adverse attention.


People are expecting to simply piggy-back on the previous success of White males in building the companies in the first place.

Re: Black Lives Matter
 

Last line of the Virgin Media policy. 50/50 gender balance within the company by 2025.

https://www.virginmedia.com/corporat...more-inclusive

Or Vodafone’s policy for women to hold 40% of top positions by 2025

https://www.vodafone.com/our-purpose...ender-equality

Once you set a target, followed by date to reach that target then how can you possibly Be objective when assessing candidates for a position?

https://www.stemwomen.co.uk/blog/201...tem-statistics

If you have only 25% of women, for example, in STEM.and you have a policy to have 50/50 male /female Engineers then that is to the disadvantage of male graduates, plus you are potentially not picking the best graduates based on their grades.

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F1 is a bad example, you generally get there if you’re rich.

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See reply to Hugh and research any top companies diversity policy.

Re: Black Lives Matter
 

Men don't get pregnant
Men can talk about football
Men can take their sexy young secretary to out of town 'business meetings'
Men don't get stressed if other men have the same suit/shoes/tie on

:D

Re: Black Lives Matter
 

There are laws that deal with race discrimination, sex discrimination, disability discrimination, religious discrimination, etc. This creates resentment from a part of the population who do not feel that they have any protection. We need just one law that guarantees fairness for everyone, and that will do wonders for attitudes. Just as we've seen arguments that 'all lives matter' to the current BLM campaign. Exclude a section of society from a perceived benefit and you enhance divisions instead of eliminating them.

You confuse 'nationalism' with 'racism'. There is nothing wrong with being proud of one's country, which does not mean that those with such beliefs are racists. You are dragging capitalism and globalism into this argument - are you attempting to dilute the message? Of course you are. I agree that capitalism and globalism could be better managed, but that has nothing to do with racism, which is what this is all about.

As for saying 'who can possibly resent someone who simply wants equality?, now that is a pretty naive thing to say. Whether or not you think that is perverse, nevertheless many people do hold that view, and I have seen it first hand. Clearly, minority groups are at a disadvantage, but creating laws just for them is the wrong way to go about it.

Notice I didn't call you 'ignorant' for disagreeing with a perfectly sensible post.

Re: Black Lives Matter
 

Basically, perceived(ie imagined) Racism and Sexism aren't really factors in "equality of opportunity". So many other factors in play.


There were so many factors holding me back in the past, but if it was the same situation today, the thing that would be holding me back, by not having people falling over themselves to get around those things, is the fact that I'm a White male.

Re: Black Lives Matter
 

I can see that they are trying to ensure their processes are inclusive. However when I look around workplaces I've been in I see predominantly white people. Understandably, as that's the biggest proportion of the wider population. I haven't seen any evidence of the best candidate being overlooked if white.

Re: Black Lives Matter
 

OK so this is a true story. A few years ago Theresa May ordered companies to publish their wages gaps. So the HR departments in universities went to work to calculate their wage gaps. To their horror they found a large wage gap.
So it seems that the highest paid positions (Professors) skew male and the lowest paid positions (cleaners) skew female. How could this be? Could they be relentless bigots? Could the labour markets be skewed, it matters not, the wage gap does not care when the results are published. How to fix this? You can't sack the professors, that would be illegal and leave you with no university. You can't pull a load of female professors from no where. So what to do?

Well what some Universities did was remove the cleaners from the payroll and hire an external company to do the cleaning.

So by one form of analysis they shrank the wage gap which they can now brag about at cocktail parties and feminist award ceremonies.

By another form of analysis all they did was sack some working class women and call it a victory for equality.

Re: Black Lives Matter
 

Clearly demonstrating how ill-judged our current equality laws are.

Re: Black Lives Matter
 

I call "shenanigans"...

The Universities that have outsourced cleaning also usually outsource the maintenance, porters, and security work (all low paid, but most maintenance, porters, and security staff are mostly male, so balances out the cleaning staff) - also, most Universities' Gender Pay Gap & Equal Pay Report is also by pay grade and staff category, not just the overall gap; for instance, see Strathclyde's report btw, I worked at 3 different Universities over a 10 year period (at a senior level) and never saw, or attended, a cocktail party - bit of inverse grading snobbery occurring in that jibe, methinks... ;)

Re: Black Lives Matter
 

There was a University that in the name of equality:rolleyes:, paid men a LOWER hourly rate than the women. The men were expected to work for more hours and more days for the same annual salary as the women. The jobs the men were doing were ones that the women couldn't and wouldn't do.


How many women are clearing out fat bergs in the sewer system? How many women on the refuse collection rounds? The list goes on and on.

Re: Black Lives Matter
 

Head porter? or security guard.

Re: Black Lives Matter
 

That's about senior as White men are going to be allowed to get.

Re: Black Lives Matter
 

Oh it does, let’s get gender equality in Brick laying.

The whole idea of some evil patriarchy subjugating women is one of the biggest hoax’s of the 21st century.

Re: Black Lives Matter
 

OK admittedly I don't know if they get sent to as nice conference parties as I do. But the Professor/Cleaner skew was specifically mentioned at internal meetings.

The point I would take from it is not to reduce complex problems to political slogans and near meaningless metrics.

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Translation, maybe we can get cancel our security contracts and hire men directly. Or outsource catering.

Re: Black Lives Matter
 

Now now . . I rather think Hugh was something to do with Computers . . maybe technical support.


I'm actually (honestly) re-watching DVD's of The IT Crowd currently.


For future reference, I will be thinking Hugh is the Irish one ;)

Re: Black Lives Matter
 

Do you have the previous report from something like 2015? I want to compare headcounts

Re: Black Lives Matter
 

I wonder what the figures are for Newnham College, Cambridge? It's Women only.

Re: Black Lives Matter
 

How is that equality? Another example of the muddled thinking some universities are afflicted with.

Re: Black Lives Matter
 

When I worked in the benefits department, the top bods decided that all telephone calls should be answered within rings to "improve the service". Management then routed all calls to one telephone in our office. Each call answered was indeed answered within 5 rings and the new policy was achieved (despite the fact that most people got the engaged tone and less people than ever before actually got through).

Re: Black Lives Matter
 

So there was only one person tsking calls then.

Re: Black Lives Matter
 

Which university was this? I'm guessing not the UK which has salary bands at universities.

Re: Black Lives Matter
 

Aberystwyth is the UK, isn't it? It was salary bands that caused the issue. The men were paid the same annual salary as the women, but were expected to work more hours, on more days. As a consequence their hourly rate was less.

Re: Black Lives Matter
 

IT Director at one, Head of IT Development & Support at two others. :)

Re: Black Lives Matter
 

Strange how a BLM thread has become a thread about equality between men and women. Now is that going off topic or not?

Re: Black Lives Matter
 

Again, shenanigans.

Under the HERA pay scales (brought in 2005-06), Grades 1-5 all have overtime (after 37 hours) at x1.5 (Mon-Sat) and x2 (Sundays & Bank Holidays) - Grade 6s and above is ‘hours required to fulfil duties’.

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That’ll be a shock for Ian Wilson, John Fawcett, Matthew Ireland, Nigel Knight, Rupert Brown, and the other men who teach there... ;)

Re: Black Lives Matter
 

See intersectionality.

Re: Black Lives Matter
 

There was a legal case about it.


There was news report about arguments over whether men should finally allowed to be Fellows.

Re: Black Lives Matter
 

Again with the goal-post moving- you said You forgot to add ‘except for the men who work there’ (who I think should be allowed to be "Fellows").

Re: Black Lives Matter
 

Yep (in esch section). Goes to show that statistics can be manipulated as 100% of calls were recorded as being answered within 5 rings. The fact that hardly anyone could get through was neither here nor there!

Re: Black Lives Matter
 

Basically, try to let them get away with committing crime.

Re: Black Lives Matter
 

Please provide a link to any quotes you post, as this allows usage under the "Fair Use" principle.

Here is a link to the review mentioned - could you please add a link to the source you have quoted.

https://assets.publishing.service.go...Accessible.pdf

https://www.inquest.org.uk/angiolini...ublished-today

Re: Black Lives Matter
 

In terms of solutions, this may be of interest. It's on Channel 4, Thursdays, 9pm.
Glenthorne offered the ideal combination of diversity, an engaged student population and an enthusiastic head teacher to make the project work.[/quote]
https://inews.co.uk/culture/televisi...endship-449997
https://www.channel4.com/programmes/...-to-end-racism

Re: Black Lives Matter
 

Are you actually saying the reviews' recommendations are designed to facilitate black people to commit crime?

Re: Black Lives Matter
 

So which one doesn't?
"Introducing assessments of young offenders' maturity"
So that they can be mysteriously be treated as being younger and so sentences(if that's going to be allowed) will be more lenient. It certainly wouldn't have been suggested to treat them as more mature.



"Exploring how criminal records could be "sealed" or kept from employers, in particular for young people"
To avoid a more negative impact. Why the special treatment for them?



"Allowing some prosecutions to be deferred"
Why? The general assumption made seems to be that the first prosecution is the first time they've offended. How often is that? For major crimes maybe, but minor ones, a lot less likely. How many more crimes will they commit during the deferral of JUSTICE? The Legal maxin is "Justice delayed is justice denied".


The whole purpose of the report is to go easy on them.

Re: Black Lives Matter
 

Au contraire, Monsieur K, I was quite happy for the thread to evolve. It was taking an interesting turn. Nothing has been mentioned about BLM for many days, because as expected, Everybody has got off their knees and could no longer give a shiatsu.

Now lockdown is over no doubt London’s black youth will be shanking each other left right and centre - without a protest in sight.

Re: Black Lives Matter
 

Nonsense Posts Removed.

A reminder to those who seem to have forgotten how things work.
The CF staff decide when a thread is going off topic, and when/if it will be closed.

So, back to the topic at hand. Thank you.

Re: Black Lives Matter
 

BBC to commit £100m to increase diversity on TV:

'In October last year, TV presenter and campaigner June Sarpong was appointed as the BBC's director of creative diversity, as it pledged to ensure 50% of on-air roles will go to women by 2020, with targets of 15% for black, Asian and minority ethnic groups [BAME], 8% for disabled people and 8% for LGBT staff.

Off air, the BBC promised at the time to increase the proportion of leadership roles filled by women from 44% to 50% by next year, and raise the share of such senior roles held by BAME staff from 11.5% to 15%'.

It was said on the news that this represents about 3% of BBC spending.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-53135022

Re: Black Lives Matter
 

Re: Black Lives Matter
 

The free TVL for pensioners has now been extended until October and may be being kept permanently (the new DG is consideting this).

Re: Coronavirus
 

Just when things we’re getting a bit stale, well this is priceless.

https://news.sky.com/story/burnley-c...match-12012848

A few quotes

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Re: Black Lives Matter
 

Well, they clearly were trying to deride and show contempt for the message that the BLM movement are trying to get across. However, the BLM protesters should have had the foresight to include the word 'too' at the end of their title to emphasise that they weren't suggesting that non black lives were any less important than those of black people.

Re: Black Lives Matter
 

Unbelievable, what a complete bunch of idiots.
Targets are a form of discrimination in themselves.

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Not at all surprised, Burnley seem to have lost the plot completely.

At least Man City showed some sense ;

Re: Black Lives Matter
 

If the BBC take this too far, their dramas will get so PC that they will lose their core audience in droves. That will mean more pressure - not to abolish the licence fee, but to abolish the BBC.

Re: Black Lives Matter
 

Targets are one of the methods of balancing decades of (sometimes subconscious) discriminatory hiring, and motivate companies to review policies that can support equality of opportunities, introducing practices such as "blind CVs", balanced interview panels, & outreach programmes.

Unfortunately, old ways of doing things don’t fix themselves, and a target is an ambition, not a measure companies will go under from not meeting.

Re: Black Lives Matter
 

What a load of boolcks! This is the PC BBC we are talking about. It is not a target, it is a certainty!

Re: Black Lives Matter
 

BLM and the BBC in one thread ! I predict the angry right wing old white men will appear soon...

Oh, I see they already have ! ;)

Re: Black Lives Matter
 

Stop twisting tails and try contributing?;)

Re: Black Lives Matter
 

So if you go for a job interview at the beeb on pick a token [colour/ alphabet person]day your pretty much buggered if your a white hetro male.:shrug:

Re: Black Lives Matter
 

Re: Black Lives Matter
 

The BBC was brought into play legitimately, Seph, due to their response to the BLM issue.

However, we should not allow racists to water down the fact that this movement gained popular support due to US police violence against black people.

This is not about statues, attacks on the white population or the sensibilities of the flakes, and it’s certainly not about violent protest and damage to property. It’s about the continuing violent repression towards blacks in the US, which operates in plain sight. I have no time for the U.K. version, which has the overthrow of capitalism as one of its objectives - nothing to do with addressing discrimination against black people at all.

Re: Black Lives Matter
 

Re: Coronavirus
 

Because it's mocking the BLM movement essentially.

Again implicit in the slogan of Black Lives Matter is the addition of 'too'. Black Lives Matter too. It's isn't that they matter more, it's that the life of someone whose black matters as much as that of someone who is white.

If you were to complain you've been treated unfairly in relation to your co-workers, say you get 5 days fewer holidays than everyone else, and said 'I deserve as much as holiday as anyone else' and all your boss kept saying is 'EVERYONE deserves the same' then you'll get pretty pissed off.

Re: Black Lives Matter
 

You sound as if you feel you’re being discriminated against - not much fun, is it? ;)

btw, the latest stats show people from BAME backgrounds make up 15.3% of BBC staff - since nearly 85% of are white, your statement is probably not based on actuality...

Re: Black Lives Matter
 

The same kind of targets i was assured didn’t exist in the corporate world by persons on here, until I showed that they did.......suddenly that line of discussion went quiet.

Re: Black Lives Matter
 

There's many a circular thread to be found on the BBC in this forum. ;)

Re: Black Lives Matter
 

Trust me if i wen't for a job at the beeb they'd throw me out no matter what my colour /alphabet status was on the day,i'm just not pc friendly :)

Re: Black Lives Matter
 

So you’ve moved from “never seen that happen”

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/show...&postcount=625

To:

Oh yah, it’s a method of balancing decades of discrimination, oh yah

Re: Black Lives Matter
 

No way is the Farage-loving Brexit Broadcasting Corporation left wing biased. But that's another debate. ;)

Re: Black Lives Matter
 

admittedly that number must have shifted a bit by now.

stop presenting equality AS bias.

Re: Black Lives Matter
 

Those aren't contradictory though.

There is a difference between hiring someone because they're BAME and setting up a recruitment system that's designed to increase the number of BAME candidates that go to interview and therefore get employed.

That's where blind CVs have been shown to work, at least for opening positions early on in someone's career, because more women and BAME candidates get through to the interview stage in that system. (There is a question of if this is effective for more senior roles later on).

Hugh was responding to your claim that someone is directly hired because they're from a minority demographic. I.E That someone less capable is hired because of it. However in the system Hugh describes that isn't what happens, instead, a more diverse group of candidates get considered and the power of numbers means over enough interviews the percentage of BAME/female candidates that get employed goes up.

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Bear in mind that the BBC's biggest staffing areas have traditionally been in London (40% BAME) and Manchester (16-17%) BAME as well. In fact with all the talk of representation in media there is the London-effect in play as well. Growing up in London gives a nice step-up for anyone looking to go into the arts or journalism.

Re: Black Lives Matter
 

Well make up your mind, should be the BBC represent, the UK, the world, or London? Exactly what do you call fair?

Most of these problems don't get solved because the problem isn't even properly defined.

Re: Black Lives Matter
 

So the stats show that the BBC has the same percentage of of BAME as the U.K. population?

Kinda refutes papa’s point, doesn’t it?

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"pc friendly" - treating everyone equally.

OK, then...

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No one said targets didn’t exist - they said people weren’t hired because of them; they are there to provide opportunities to balance things out, but if anyone can’t meet the requirements for the job, they shouldn’t get hired.

Nice attempt at twisting words - not like you... ;)

Re: Black Lives Matter
 

Make up my mind on what?

My point is the BBC's current staffing seems somewhat in line with the national average of BAME and if anything you would think it might be a bit higher because the local pool they're recruiting from is disproportionately BAME relative to the national population.

I am not declaring anything there. Just find it an interesting thing to consider.

Re: Black Lives Matter
 

Well I understand the efforts are made to be representative of the UK, so the fact that they are would suggest they are at least superficially successful. That is if you agree with the whole argument to begin with.

Re: Coronavirus
 

You’ll have to run that by me again. That’s a poor analogy.

Where are black people being told to accept less than everyone else?

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As I’ve mentioned earlier I am totally in favour of equality of opportunity.

Equality of outcome however, where you set a figure of the number of people from any background that you must employ I.e. setting the outcome, is the road to hell.

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Piffle, I can see the next diversity report from a major ethical corporation.

“Yes , well we interviewed lots of candidates That are under represented in our organisation but we missed our diversity targets because they just weren’t good enough, and we had a much larger pool of white men to choose from, so we just went with that.”

Re: Black Lives Matter
 

It's a blunt instrument, Hugh, that simply substitutes one form of discrimination for another. Two wrongs do not make a right. Instead of alienating a minority, this simply alienates the majority.

The solution is equal treatment. That is the way to go.

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Since when did the BBC adore Farage? They treat him with contempt!

Re: Black Lives Matter
 

They think that the BBC's constitutional obligation to host him is an endorsement.