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Commonsense suggests that if this theory was true, it would be headline news.

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Common sense suggests it is just someone's opinion in a blog post or are we not allowed to have opinions any more?

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Is that an actual answer, Andrew? If so, please interpret, we would I'm sure will be very grateful.

There seems to be much point-making yet so litfle substance to some of the posts on this thread!

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Yes, it's an actual answer. I'm not sure how much clearer I can make it for you but I'm up for the challenge. ;)
If the commentator's theory was correct that we had already left the EU, it would be headline news. The fact that it hasn't strongly suggests that it is incorrect.
Indicating if a theory is likely to be correct or incorrect and why may not be perceived by you as having any substance to it, but I'm happy to disagree with you on this. ;)

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It’s an opinion, not a fact (no matter what some people think, they’re not equivalent) ;)

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Agreed on both counts. :tu:

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https://www.express.co.uk/news/polit...has-uk-left-eu


BTW there were other candidates but they didn't make it through the selection process.

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Who did you want on the list?

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68 years old:shocked: why not pick someone who has a chance of being around in a few years time.

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Not a very good answer, though Andrew. It's not made headline news, so on that basis it must be wrong.

However, I should state at this point that I am not under any illusion that we really are out of the EU yet, despite the poor drafting by the EU. My post #595 was for amusement only.

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Deadwood more like...

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Tory members sent 'multiple ballots' for leadership vote.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...picking-leader

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Equally the world could end tomorrow. though by your reasoning it will.

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The staff at that rag probably think that following this revelation 51% might not be enought to win.:rofl::rofl:

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This is the leadership thread and as such the post is relevant to this thread.

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So how many postal ballots are duplicated in a GE?

Total non-sequiter unless the result were a few votes ether way. Just the media with the BBC in the vanguard trying to derail Boris's win.

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Apparently as conservatives they won't do anything devious or underhand like voting several times.

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That is a good question but not one l can answer.

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I would guess it's in the hundreds of thousands. No records can be kept that up to date. At least the Tory party has the sanction that anybody daring to vote twice will have their membership suspended.

That doesn't stop the BBC headlining this as some kind of non-democratic process.

Just another nail in the licence fee coffin.

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If so one could imagine in some seats that could be the difference between winning and losing.

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For those unable to decide between the two candidates, they have another option now.

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Boris=General Election=Corbyn . Think on ;)

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You mean dream on.

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Well it's clear a number of Conservative MPs have no confidence in him and a few have said they might not back him in a confidence vote. With a majority of 3, he might be the shortest term PM in history.

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Nah! He's Teflon Boris.

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Why would this country vote for a Communist? Have you seen where Labour is currently in the opinion polls and do you not appreciate that although you may not like him, Boris is one of our more popular politicians? Most of the country trust him to get us out of the EU, which the majority of voters appear to be crying out for.

Sorry to disappoint. :)

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You'll be the one disappointed if you put your trust in bozo

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Nope. You'll see.

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You mean anyone who puts their trust in Corbyn surely!

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l would not trust either TD as one is a Communist and anti-Semitist and the other is no more then a charlatan and snake oil salesman..

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You were similarly confident about Saint Theresa....

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What happened there Mr K...;)

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Shirely if I'd meant that I'd have put that

I don't trust either of them, thanks for your detailed analysis though

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Er, no! I have always had my doubts, and I certainly did say that she would get us a deal, which she did (against the expectations of most remainers).

However, why she put forward the idea of a backstop with no handbrake to get us out, I will never know. My presumption is that she accepted the stated position of the EU that it would only be applied if the worst came to the worst and even then it would be temporary.

Shame they didn't carry that through into the document.

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A new poll commissioned by the Channel 4 Dispatches programme reveals (and reinforces) the unrepresentative views of the people choosing our next PM at this most critical time:

https://news.sky.com/story/tory-memb...gests-11759023

The lesser issue is that a lot of these people seem barking mad. The bigger one is that the two candidates are pandering to the whims of this group. Now this raises an interesting question: are they just telling these people what they want to hear just to get selected and then they will "forget" they ever promised anything (my prediction) or will they actually try and enact some or all of their promises?

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I'm no fan of the death penalty.

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If you think they are barking mad, how would you describe Corbyn supporters??!! :disturbd::D

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You never addressed my points on honouring promises? You also are out of touch with your "colleagues" it seems. If you can provide any contrary evidence to gainsay these findings, it would be most welcome.

I do find it surprising how a Party with such heritage could reduce itself to a membership base with these views. Then again, nothing is a surprise today ..

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Ah, the art of "Whataboutery" :)

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:clap:

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According to a new poll conducted by YouGov on behalf of Britain Elects, Boris Johnson as leader of the Conservatives would struggle to improve the Conservative Party's electoral fortunes in a general election unless he delivered Brexit.

https://mailchi.mp/f7643146f4aa/bori...-poll-suggests

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If they don't deliver brexit the party is finished who ever the leader is.

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Which of course he will, and that will then see off the Brexit Party.

According to the BBC, a surprising number of Labour supporters quite like Boris. I think he will return a comfortable majority at the next election. Even more so, given the alternative of a Communist state, Venezuala-style.

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The construction of the Britain Elects/Yougov poll is a little strange in that their second question (voting intention in the event Brexit has been delivered) includes the Brexit Party as an option, despite Farage’s stated aim of the party existing only so long as Brexit has not been delivered. It would have been interesting to see how the numbers would have stacked up in the event those 14% of determined Brexit Party supporters had been forced to choose something else.

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If it helps, here are your replies:

I have to say that knowing you from this forum, I am surprised how far these membership polling answers are away from you and the political centre ground. It could be the intake of ex-UKIP members that is skewing the results with the traditional membership losing their voice somewhat?

Back to the topic, it still begs the question on how many of the promises aimed directly at this audience will survive into Government. I personally doubt many will and that, having chosen the PM, the said membership will have little ability to change this.

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I'm not surprised as they know he's the tin-opener in November to let Labour into power.

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I think you are right. He is more likely to be a car crash of a PM than a new Churchill. I lot of people are going to buy the popcorn and watch the show ..

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Oh, how you underestimate him.

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Well, stand back and be amazed. He should be capable of putting the Left back in its box for at least a decade, after which Corbyn will be just a distant nightmare of a memory.

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I really don't and we saw his spell as Foreign Secretary to appreciate that he had been promoted to a job beyond his abilities. Remember the Turkish goat poem?
I think you need someone far more in tune with the thinking of Parliament to be PM in the current situation. Unfortunately, that wouldn't win votes from the Party faithful which is why we are where we are.

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Corbyn doesn't need any help from BoJo to do that.

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You can see why the Boris campaign wanted to limit his TV exposure before the members voted

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exactly as they trying to hide the disaster that is Boris what a choice it be at next general election between 2 disasters

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It's not difficult to underestimate Boris Johnson as he sets the bar so low for himself.

The man is about power. He doesn't own a principle.

He's a man who calls gay men bum boys!

Calls black people piccaninnies with water melon smiles

A man who wrote 2 articles about BREXIT, waited until he saw which way the wind blew and published the one he thought would get him the most political capital.

The embarrassment of having this man as PM will ricochet around the world.

We will be more of a laughing stock than we are now with this Trump Lite buffoon in charge.

What has politics become in our country?

A Prime Minister that's all about power and no principle and a leader of the opposition which is all about principle with not the slightest interest in power.

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Boris in a nutshell. You should be his biographer. ;)

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I share some of the concerns about the Boris buffoonery, but what you are missing is that he does light up the room when he enters it. He does not do political correctness, and frankly that is a plus, because people are sick of it. He will introduce a completely new approach and make politics exciting again.

If he surrounds himself with the best talent, this could be a very successful premiership, and have no doubt that he will deliver Brexit. He will also return a Conservative Government with a respectable majority, which is what is scaring people who support left leaning political parties.

As for this same story that keeps getting trotted out about the two articles he wrote about Brexit, he has already explained why he did that, but of course his opponents are not interested in that - they just want to try to discredit him.

While having some concerns about Boris, I do think he is the right person for this country at this particular point in time and he will be extremely popular with the public, much to the chagrin of his detractors, who just don't get it.. He has a very good intellect, but I agree he needs to work on his behaviour.

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Lighting up the room does not make a politician a good leadership candidate OB.

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Will he?.

https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk...son-poll-finds

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Yes it does, to the extent that people will vote for him. The question is whether he will be a good PM. We shall see.

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Yes, he most certainly will be. When he starts delivering, a lot of people will change their minds about him. Delivery is the key.

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Do you really think the British public are that shallow?.

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l somehow doubt it as he will be a bad for the Conservatives as Corbyn is for the Labour party.

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What exactly are your concerns? That his go to comments about homosexuals are to call them ‘bum boys’? Or to call people of colour ‘picanninies’ ?

What would be the limit before it becomes more than a ‘concern’? When he calls them ‘fags’ or ‘n****ers’?

But it’s OK because he ‘lights’ up a room?

They ease in which his foulsome language fell from his lips should automatically rule him out of any leadership role!

The fact he felt at ease saying those things out loud also shows you what he thinks behind closed doors, and shows you behind closed doors those views at much more pronounced and more dark!

The very fact that his abject lack of decency to minorities, LGBTQ community and women isn’t an issue for the majority of Conservative party members is chilling!

And none of this can be excused because he’s a brilliant mind! He isn’t!

His lack of knowledge on BREXIT alone (the particular mast he has strapped himself to purely to grab the Tory base) was more than evident in his car crash interview with Andrew Neil yesterday! No wonder his campaign dont want him interviewed!

This, homophobic, racist, misogynist will be our Prime Minister!

I suppose we’re lucky because he ‘lights up a room’!

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There are many reasons why the public would vote for Boris rather than JC. For a start, he will deliver Brexit. He wil provide a fresh approach to politics and he won't indulge the media by answering some of the nonsense questions they like to ask to trip people up. Political correctness will go out of the window and he will say it like it is. The thing he has in common with Trump is that his opponents underestimate him. However, that's where the comparison ends in my book.

Given the choice between Boris and JC, surely it's a no-brainer. The vast majority of Brits do not want a Venezualan-style Marxist government without the oil.

Some will vote Liberal Democrat or Green, of course, but anyone who thinks either party will make much of a dent in terms of the number of seats in Parliament will be disappointed.

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More! *eats more popcorn* Loving it .. are you taking this act on tour?

Seriously, you been drinking so much Tory kool-aid I doubt there is any left. Use your brain and drop the tired JC/Venezuala/Marxist cliches. Johnson is a clueless clown and he was eviscerated by Andrew Neil on what should be his "chosen" subject.

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What ^ said!

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I see many 'glowing recommendations' on here about Boris, yet hardly anything about the positives of the other chap in the running . . . err . . thingy . . . you know . . wassisname . . erm . . .

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He is a better candidate then Johnson though although that is not saying much.

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The "other" chap isn't favoured too much by the membership. He a bit too normal for their liking ..

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The other chap has never called gay men bum boys and black people picaninnies! That should be enough!

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He's just another Theresa May,only this ones better looking;)

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Whilst i'm at it, can I ask any Boris Johnson voter/fan why you think these statements don't instantly disqualify him from, not only any political office, but especially from being Prime Minister?!

What are the LGBTQ and non-white communities supposed to make of them apart from feeling like 'their' PM is not (at the very least) on their side?

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Wasting your time, they . .. just .. don't ... care. They care nothing about anything apart from the holy grail of Brexit. Anyone and anything is expendable for the "cause" .. They will support anyone, the Devil included, if it means they get what they want.

The thing they do not realise is that they are sowing the seeds for a future that will be far from the sunlit uplands they crave.

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Realy? how come you've never mentioned that before.













Much.

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See, no attempt to answer Mobes question.

Go on, answer his/her question .. go on, go on ..

https://www.cableforum.uk/images/local/2019/07/1.gif

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I presumed they would not answer as any decent person could not justify Johnson’s words!

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It is for Boris himself to justify his words. This is just a petty diversion from the big issues. If people are genuinely offended or outraged by these comments, they won't vote for him, will they?

I guess we'll find out at the next election!:D

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There is nothing petty about his comments aimed at certain groups l can assure you as they were comments unbecoming of any future prime minister.

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And it’s up to you to personally be able to justify why his words don’t matter to you! However, the fact you call them ‘petty’ probably tell us all we need to know!

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Well, any 'person of colour' can call me a pinkskin anytime they like. Will I be offended?

Highly unlikely.

Boris can be unintentionally insensitive it is true, but we are all getting so hypersensitive these days. If you seriously believe him to be racist or homophobic, you will be way off beam. A person's actions are more important than the words we use.

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The fact you believe being called ‘pinkskin’ (Something you made up) is akin to the word picaninny is beyond abhorrent! Go and Google what picanniny means and how it was used! In fact go and ask a black man if he thinks he’s hypersensitive when you use it to his face!

The trouble with racists Mod Edit - inappropriate comment removed is they would happily use these words in company they feel comfortable in or behind the safety of a keyboard but wouldn’t use them in front of a gay man or black man.

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And yet they will readily watch the TV show Atlanta. Series 2 starts on BBC2 tonight.

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Are you in it? Shameless plug lol

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Everyone need to calm down, and stop calling others names.

Repetition of this behaviour will invoke the infraction system.

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Well, since "pinkskin" has not been used as a term of abuse by racists and bigots for a couple of centuries, probably not.

The fact you try to equate a made up term with a term that has been used as an insult by white people to black people for a very long time shows that you either don’t understand, or don’t want to understand - either is rather sad...

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Does using a non-pc term or descriptor make you racist? In general terms.

Johnson has used some questionable language on occasion, the piccaninnie thing was 11 years ago.

The bum boy comment was 21 years ago.

Lots of people, even Prime Minister candidates, say the wrong things sometimes and there is always somebody just ready and waiting to be offended.

I’m not racism or anti LGBTQ+(Add whatever letter you want) but I have made questionable remarks in the past. I’m not proud of it but i’m Human, and I can guarantee that coloured people ( sorry can’t say that ) I meant people of colour, and people on the Gender spectrum ( as that seems to be what it is) are all not nice or PC either.

So can BoJo be PM although over the past 30 years he’s Made the odd PC gaffe? Of course he can don’t be such a muppet.

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The odd PC gaffe?

Bringing out the PC excuse is a pathetic argument and one trotted out to excuse the inexcusable. Johnson actually made his picanniny remark in 2002 when he was 38 years old. A man, not a stupid child or inconsiderate teenager.; not back in the 1950's when there was a complete lack of education about minorities.

He said :-Tony Blair would love touring the continent because he will be greeted by “cheering crowds of flag-waving piccaninnies....the tribal warriors will all break out in watermelon smiles to see the big white chief”.

In 2012 when he was a mere 49 years old (those 49 year olds and their odd PC gaffes) said :-

'Africans would be better off if ruled by white colonisers.

He said: "Consider Uganda, pearl of Africa, as an example of the British record. The British planted coffee and cotton and tobacco, and they were broadly right. If left to their own devices, the natives would rely on nothing but the instant carbohydrate gratification of the plantain. (basically saying monkeys eating bananas)

“The best fate for Africa would be if the old colonial powers, or their citizens, scrambled once again in her direction; on the understanding that this time they will not be asked to feel guilty.”

So yeah the 'odd PC gaffe'.

BTW If you care to, and i doubt you do, just Google the word picaninny and have a look at how this racial trope has been used over the years.

You should be ashamed of yourself.

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thanks, 17 years ago then .

Indeed, his target was Tony Blair and his grandiosing to the commonwealth, he was not targeting the ethnic population, his choice of words was poor, i doubt they were particularly bothered about that at the time.

I don’t see any reference to monkeys apart from the one you offered?

He is clearly saying that the colonial powers should be investing in Africa, however because they are consistently portrayed as raping and pillaging the sub-Saharan Africa it would be better if those nations welcomed the investment without the baggage.

i’m not ashamed, i haven’t done anything. However it’s clear that you are offended by proxy. Crack on and be offended. BTW do you ask for permission from the minorities on behalf of which you are offended?

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I'll ask this and then leave it as I'm not interested in having to explain why i call out racism when i see it.

Would either of you use the term picaninny or watermelon smile to a person of colour in the context Johnson did?

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No, But that isn’t the point of the thread. You’re claiming the Johnson is a racist, and I don’t share that view.

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The very fact you wouldn't and Johnson wouldn't makes my case.

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It doesn’t do anything, a poor choice of words here and there doesn’t make him racist, I haven’t seen any actions that would reinforce that view.

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I did not make up the word 'pinkskin'. It was used regularly by a very white alien bully as an insult to American pioneers in a Star Trek series. So it was made up, but not by me.

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Shame on you for watching that American trash. What was wrong with Blakes7 ? ;)

Boris is unfit to PM, there seems to be wide agreement on that across politics and more importantly with the public. It isn't an entertainment post, Celebrity Come be a Buffoon With Me, it's not. Looks like he will be PM but I predict for a very short time, when his lack of any credible Brexit plan is exposed and the country pays a heavy price. if Labour don't get rid of him, his own side will.