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absolutely - so Brexiteer MPs threatening a vote of no confidence is completely different from Remainer MPs threatening a vote of no confidence.

Thanks for the clarification...

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Still wrong.

Perhaps if you opened your eyes instead of posting childish memes all over the place, which you need to stop doing, as this is not facebook or twitter, you will realise what the difference between a leadership challenge is and a motion of no confidence in the Government is - big bloody difference.

Where did the Brexiteer MPs threaten vote of no confidence in the government ?

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Don't fret Mick, he obvously had no clue as to the thrust of my post.

Tomorrow's another day. She may survive, she may not. Who actually knows?

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Where did Remainer MPs threaten vote of no confidence in the government?.

It was the whip who said they would call an election if they defeated the Government in the commons, they could have threatened the same to the ERG group too.

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Excuse me - I don't know where this obsession is of late of you inventing things I never said.

Here is a clue:

That is a statement to say that the way these Remainer Tory MPs voted lastnight, by voting against their own government, they were prepared to risk a no confidence motion. I never said they threatened, so please stop putting words in my posts, that I never said.

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My point is that the same would be true of the Brexiters. If the whip wants to to make Brexit votes a matter of confidence than rebel Brexiters would also face that choice. In the end the Government made concessions to avoid that in the case of the Brexiters.

It's also worth noting that the bill yesterday was not a confidence motion. The Government threatened to call an election but the bill yesterday would not have brought down the government, the government itself would then need to have done so.

Personally I think we need an election. This is getting unsustainable. The Government is paralyzed. The Government tried to whip up support to add amendments to kill their own policy and threatened to call an election if MPs voted to back what was the Gov's actual policy as of the weekend. :spin:

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I agree in principle that something needs to give because we are at a political impasse at the moment and it is politically depressing.

Labour Party is an absolute joke but then so is the Conservatives under it's current leadership.

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Yes, and the reason for that is May herself.

She is trying to please both sides of the Brexit result and it just won't work. She doesn't have the strength to stand up to those who oppose her within her own party.

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Which groups of those that oppose her are you referring to? :)

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As posted on previous page this morning...

8th July 2018
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...eresa-May.html
10 June 2108
https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/pol...-Conservatives
April 21 2018
https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk...s-down-customs

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As May has frequently stated we are withdrawing from the EU and her "Red Lines" for that perhaps the remainers in the party???

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Yet again, you are wrong. Confidence motion against Theresa May, not the government, so I will ask you again, when did the Brexiteer MPs threaten a No confidence motion in the Government. T h e G o v e r n m e n t, not the PM?!?!

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and he be sitting same place that Geoffrey Howe did his speech that brought down Margaret Thatcher

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Don't think Bozza has the same gravitas as Geoffrey,he's a clown, surely even the Tories wouldn't have him as leader. If I was TM I'd have a dental appointment this afternoon ;)

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she at the commons select committee

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Immediate threat to Theresa May subsides after 'warm' meeting with Conservative MPs

https://news.sky.com/story/immediate...e-mps-11441076

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Preparingfor a no deal brexit too by the looks of it.

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Or pretending to. The EU are doing the same, but neither are really contemplating 'no deal'. May admitted at the weekend that no preparation had been done at ports for a no deal scenario.

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no way will get that past parliament as that mean hard border in Ireland you and no way will DUP vote for that

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You can insult me all you want, but there is no better description for Juncker, Selmayr, Barnier and their cohorts.

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I am not insulting you at all. Rather, I feel you are insulting us. Your constant use of "turds" is just trolling, plain and simple. If you do not agree with the institution that is the EU, argue your case like an adult, not a child.

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Personally only children insult as rational adults discuss or debate or that is what they are supposed to do....

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You should come off your high horse. "Turds" is a very apt description of those people as a cohort and accusing me of trolling and being childish is just your lame way of disagreeing.

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As you can see from my posts, I do debate and very rationally at that. I find the word "Turds" to describe the particular Brussels cohort as highly appropriate and very convenient shorthand.

You lot are devoting far too much attention to insulting me rather than debating the issues and where we go from here.

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l have not insulted you at all so a retraction from that accusation would be appropriate as please tell me where l have insulted you?.

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You are assuming the EU will extend the term of A50 in the event they reject the white paper proposals. If they don't then parliament won't even get a vote. We'll be out with no deal.

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you called me names . .

no I didn't . .

yes you did . .


https://youtu.be/Lvcnx6-0GhA

:D :D :D

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This is the great dilemma, Pip.

The relevant A50 text is:

3. The Treaties shall cease to apply to the State in question from the date of entry into force of the withdrawal agreement or, failing that, two years after the notification referred to in paragraph 2, unless the European Council, in agreement with the Member State concerned, unanimously decides to extend this period.

The UK needn't ask for an extension. It might be a useful tactic not to ask but to see whether or not the EU seeks an extension, given the amount of skin they have in the exports to UK game.

I've seen somewhere that the UK intends to be tariff free on day 1. It might be prudent to make that to all but the EU except for food and medicines. Choices here are not easy, but we need to turn the tables on the Brussels <removed>.

Out with no deal doesn't seem like a bad idea to me given what we are dealing with and it delivers the Referendum result.

The above sentence then raises other questions. What was in the mind of the 52% about some of the economic fears raised over Brexit? This could be tested in a second Referendum and I think some serious opinion polling needs to be done here on a very much larger sample than the 1,500 or so sampled by Yougov last week.

As you know, if you've read my posts, I'm not against remaining so long as we can keep sticking it to the Brussels <removed>. After all our prosperity has grown with/despite (view it as you wish) the EU. I'm disappointed that some Remainers can't accept the Referendum result, which was a democratically conducted process albeit on crap claims from both sides, particularly Leave. But eyes are open now; 52/48 wasn't as overwhelming at 66/34 would have been.

A second referendum wouldn't take place with this PM. Nor would the Conservatives be re-elected unless this PM delivers a stunning result. She might be ousted then we are in no-mans-land unless someone very strong and credible takes over. Corbyn's party (bar a few with decent principles) are only trying to gain power and are not interested in working as parliamentarians to obtain a good Brexit deal. We must never have Labour led by Corbyn and his Reds getting into power.

Should we have a new non-socialist party that can do what Kadimah did in Israel whenever that was (save for the corruption that their PM was brought to book)?

Brexit has brought turmoil to the UK for the wrong reasons.

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Of course I read your posts Seph, I respect your opinion though I may not always agree with it.

I knew the relevant part of A50 before posting as I have read and digested it as well as the other two articles referred to therein (something some remainers may not have done perhaps).

We cannot be tariff free from day one as we are unable at present to make trade deals so WTO rules would apply. That does not mean to say that trade deals have not already been discussed, agreed and just awaiting signing when we leave. We are not privvy to that info.

As regards a second referendum I'm sorry but I disagree. If the majority of remainers were so against the referendum result one would have expected them to vote for a party that was against leaving in the Gen. Elec. that soon followed. As it stands 82% of the electorate that voted did so for the two main parties that advocated withdrawl albeit on possible different terms.

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The Times is reporting that the Tory Chief Whip ordered his MPs to break the pairing and the Tories aren't denying that. Seems to be generating a lot of anger in the commons.

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Found this interesting piece about j c junker with some video .


EU President Jean-Claude Juncker 'is a drunk who binges on GIN instead of water at meetings', leaving his aide - nicknamed 'the monster' - running the Commission, shock new account claims

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ic-govern.html

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We are going leave one sorrowful organisation and are governed by another sorrowful organisation.

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Sorry - what shock? :D

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Interesting article

https://www.ft.com/content/8980fc82-...e-8771d5404543

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And I’ve been told off for insulting the Brussels lot. If that’s what they really are contemplating doing to us, no insult would be too much.

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That's not a surprising revelation. It's the default legal position (also the other way around too) as far as I am aware. It is what no deal is. It's not so much 'what they're contemplating' as it is 'the consequences of no deal'....

It's worth remembering that the EU has already suggested a Canada style trade deal: https://news.sky.com/story/brexit-wh...-deal-11096397

We have not gone in that direction because we don't think it works for how our economy works.

However this constant theme on here that the EU are turning everything down is fan-fiction. We didn't even set our own intentions until the other week.

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Found this interesting piece about Philip Hammond .

How the Chancellor is 'KILLING the economy on purpose' just to sabotage Brexit

The accusation arose at an Economists for Free Trade dinner this week of senior Tory Brexiteer MPs after former cabinet minister John Redwood presented evidence that actions taken by Mr Hammond and Governor of the Bank of England Mark Carney have hit economic growth in the UK


https://www.express.co.uk/news/polit...ure-uk-economy

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People conveniently forget that it goes both ways.

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Damien made this same point in #636. That's why the EU said that Theresa May's redlines suggested a Canadian-style deal.

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All part of the narrative now forming where the right wing Leave supporters, now seing the reality of the task ahead, instead of saying how easy Brexit was/is going to be, they are now formulating a new "We Were Betrayed" message to try and cover their backs.

I think only the gullible will be fooled by this ..

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Why are we using the term "Right wing leave supporters" as a term for a Brexiteer ?

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A REMINDER Specifically the underlined bit:-

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I and I am sure no other "brexiter" ever thought it would be easy as the EU would always want its pound of flesh for us having the audacity for even thinking of leaving.

That said the simple answer is a clean exit.The 2yr transition has been agreed which gives 2yrs for the EU and UK to come to some sort of trade deal, it may not be perfect to begin with but will not be the cliff that remainers are saying we will be falling off.

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Exactly and betrayal is not linked to any process of the leave result, more than betrayal means ignoring one of the largest democratic processes in modern history.

And this bollocks about those wanting a second vote - What the hell for?

I know what I voted leave for I am sick of those saying as a leaver, I did not know what I voted for, just more bollocks, I want to leave the EU and every last bit of it, I do not want to be associated in a disgusting, corrupted and bully-boy European Union.

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I think the description of the Daily Express Newspaper referred to in the post is fair and accurate:

https://www.cableforum.uk/images/local/2018/07/6.jpg

https://www.cableforum.uk/images/local/2018/07/7.jpg

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“How many countries in the world have no trade deals in place? None.
"How many countries on April 1st next year will have no trade deals in place - one.” can you guess what that country will be ?

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The two are not materially linked. The Leave campaign was totally naff as most of us would agree. The campaign was before the vote. The Referendum result (after the campaign) was Leave. There seem to be an awful lot of politicians trying to betray that instruction.

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What it says in some random newspaper is irrelevant, members have been told not to use those terms in this thread, if I have discouraged the word "Remoaner" being used, then I expect both sides to play ball, you should not be suggesting any or all Brexiteers are "Right wing leave supporters".

I voted leave, I want to fully leave and I am not "Right wing" whatsoever.

I am not a "Hard Brexiteer", nor a "Brexstremist". I expect my democratic choice that won, to be respected, that does not make me any other variation of a leaver aka Brexiteer.

Totally ridiculous terms used by Remainers and vice versa Leavers to attack either side, the same crap that happened in the last thread, I have requested not happen in this one.

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You are really not reading what I post nor are you reflecting the real world. Like it or not, there *are* groups that reflect a right of centre view of how Brexit should be conducted. The Daily Express, Daily Mail, etc. are members of this group. Trying to pretend that they do not exist or they do not hold such extreme views is denying reality.

First, I never suggested that *all* Brexiteers are "Right wing leave supporters" as you well know so don't misrepresent what I said.

Secondly, you are in denial if you think that no Brexiteers are "Right wing leave supporters".

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Sigh,

If we leave with no actual deal then WTO rules will apply until a deal can be agreed so the world won't stop. That means we will still be able to trade although the cost may be slightly more to the person in the street.

Don't forget a 2yr transition period has already been agreed and a free trade deal could be agreed in that period or close to.

That said the EU may be quite willing to wipe out £250 billion of trade, the choice is theirs.

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not if a no deal Brexit which is looking more likely everyday the EU will lose some yes but they still have all there trade deals UK will have 0 trade deals and fall of cliff edge UK will suffer lot more than EU

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Unfortunately, it will be several people in the street and not in the factory if we are willing to open our ears to what the likes of Airbus are informing us. I don't think we will get to this stage as it's in no one's interest.
https://uk.reuters.com/article/us-ai...-idUKKBN1JW0XG

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That’s not what I said, I was trouncing your ridiculous assertion that, those who expect a full walk away from EU are Right wing, they are not and enough of this rubbish about I’m in denial or not living in real world, which is very inaccurate.

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What a wonderful example you have linked to Andrew, not a multimillion pound industry but a multibillion one!

I take it you are taking the media line that it is a warning to just the UK Gov but not the EU so let's have a look at it and it will possibly involve Dave's assertion that there is no transition period in event of a "No Deal" scenario.

Yep, in the event of no deal I can see that, I bolded "eventually" as I'll come back to it later.

Bear in mind the UK produces only the wings for Airbus and has the supply chain in place.

So which aircraft will be grounded? Both you and the media have said our operators won't be able to fly in EU airspace so he must be referring to EU operators surely!

Of course this is what busnisses do he goes on though.

This is not the head of an industry saying production will be moved out of the country (though it may be eventually) but one saying he is striving to get a 3 month buffer of EASA cerified parts to put in the wing to carry on production for at least 3 months after a full brexit if there is no deal.

That takes us nicely back to Dave's assertion that there will be no transition period in the event of no deal! What will happen to 3 months supply of uncertified wings? There'll only be certified parts inside of them, the wing itself has to be certified.

So yes Andrew, I took time to read (couldn't listen) it, I suggest you do the same.

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I've taken your advice Pip and read this salutary warning in the article. "Airbus last month issued its strongest warning yet over Brexit, saying that withdrawal without a deal would force it to reconsider its long-term position and put thousands of British jobs at risk."

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The problem for everyone(all sides) is that we are in uncharted waters in a dinghy and we seem to have mislaid the paddles and the map. Just about the only certainty is that like a divorce there will be pain,recrimination and a aggression sorting out of the shared possessions in our future and it may take a very long time before we reach a comfortable position as a country.

However both sides should be working together to mitigate any future pain to all of the citizens of the UK. We haven't got time to fight each other. Whatever happened to compromise? The time for recrimination should be over by now.

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:clap::clap::clap:

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The problem with this divorce is children won't accept that the divorce is happening.;)









metaphorically speaking.

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Some positive sounds here.
https://www.ft.com/content/85c97370-...d-0181731a0340

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Do,please remember that there is a specific term used in the EU: “Withdrawal Agreement”.

This would be the agreement that determines what the financial settlement and citizens’ rights, among several others.

They want that stitched up before the future relationship can be taken forward in earnest.

There is still much to exercise us and argue over.

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'They're a THREAT!' Tory MP warns of SHOCKING consequences if May surrenders to rebels


interesting video about the possible outcome of surrendering to Tory rebels

Speaking exclusively to Express.co.uk, Ms Dorries said: “They are not just a threat to Brexit, they are a threat to the future of this country.


https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/99...election-today

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maybe the daft old bat was looking in the mirror ?

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I read in the papers today that Trump has been railing against the EU and Germany in particular. His main complaint was that the Euro is undervalued and thus unfairly supporting German exports to the USA.

You may recall that I carefully explained how Germany engineered the value of the Euro to enable exactly what Trump is complaining about.

This could now work in our favour - if you support reaching a deal with the EU. Germany could hardly relish having to face tariffs levied by the UK and additional tariffs levied by the USA as this would hit their production as exports fall.

Properly exploited, a sensible deal may yet be possible.

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Think you're grasping at straws old chap.

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It seems to me that there was a bit of sarcasm there. A shame.

The point I'm making is that last minute stuff may yet happen as various external factors coagulate into the current negotiating mess.

Do you think that the squeeze on Germany might not bear some fruit?

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we're the ones with our short and curlies in the EU's hands. Trump says something different every day.

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Don't you think it might rattle the Germans? Trump has been fairly consistent on the tariffs theme.

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no, they aren't as reliant on the US, they have the EU - together they are strong.

Its 'America first', don't be relying on the Donald to bail us out. He really didn't like that blimp.

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I’ve never known any major programme of work that had, as part of the plan for implementation, the section that said “last minute stuff may yet happen (that will make it work)"...

Can you imagine if the D-Day planning had a section that said "here’s hoping"? They looked at what was required, planned to meet those requirements, and put contingency plans in place for identified risks (with additional contingency for "stuff we don’t know about yet"). I haven’t seen any evidence of that sort of approach to this...

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I'm not relying on Donald to bail us out. I was merely postulating how the situation might develop.

I must admit to harbouring a grudge against Germany for perpetrating their policy of undervaluing the Euro and for breaking EU law with impunity by maintaining an 8% surplus (it's supposed not to exceed 3%).

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What on earth are you on about? I was describing a curve ball that might affect Germany's appetite for changing their position on the Brexit negotiations.

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Germany's also been very effective at exporting all over the World to growing countries like Vietnam and China.

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Apologies - I mis-read your post, and thought you were talking about our approach to Brexit.

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Makes the few thousand spent by an associate organisation for leave look like chicken feed. And they still lost.:p:

Alternative non-paywall story link

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It's an interesting discussion point, but the quality of what Cameron's Government produced probably helped the Leave side more! :D

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Will Cameron be referred to the police or is this destined to be swept under the carpet .

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If you feel he should be then, go ahead and refer him. But he's broken no law.
Unlike Vote Leave where MPs are getting annoyed by Dominic Cummings trying to avoid answering their questions. Maybe he'll be jailed?
https://www.theguardian.com/politics...nce-to-commons

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Seems May's surrender plan went down like a cup of cold sick with the grass roots:

Maybot's going on a charm offensive over the summer break. That'll work well. :erm:

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Mrs May does, it seems, have few friends. She seems incapable of answering a simple worked example of her new arrangements when questioned before a Commons committee.

Remember this is her plan, the one that solves the EU trade riddle. The Remain supporting Guardian and the right of centre Brexit supporting Express both are oddly aligned:

May struggles to explain customs plan in grilling by senior MPs

May on the ropes: Bewildered PM sounds CONFUSED AND BAFFLED in brutal Brexit grilling

If she cannot explain how a simple example can work, what hope the rest of us!

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Does seem this plan pleases nobody, and is unworkable. At least she had a go but it's an impossible task. Brexit doesn't work, whichever way you look at it. Not too late for some to swallow their pride admit it, and work together for the good of the country rather than themselves. John Major was good on the TV this morning encouraging politicians to think of people and the effect this will have on them first.

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Poor Yvette. She's not the brightest candle on the cake, is she? But boy, is she loud!

She doesn't seem to grasp that this is a negotiation and that the details have to be discussed with the EU. She's not the only one who doesn't get it, though.

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You obviously get it then. How does Yvette's example work then?

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Theresa May said that the specific detail needed to be worked out, but as I said, this is a negotiation. When you are conducting negotiations, you leave certain doors ajar so that there is wriggle room and neither side gets entrenched with one particular solution.

People are angry because this has taken a long time and they still cannot work out how this will be implemented. However, by October, there will be clarity.

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OB, less of the Faith & Hope! Let's just be practical here: Mrs May came up with a concrete plan. A plan that will square the circle of trade with the EU. A plan, by definition, has to be workable in the real world else it is not a plan, it is just a claim. If Mrs May is selling the Chequers plan, it has to work. It really is as simple as that.

I have to admire your faith in the PM. I mean saying that "specific detail needed to be worked out" with the "specific detail" being whether is is workable or not, is madness.

Imagine:

UK: Here's my plan I have been working on for 2 yrs, it is the best we can do and it can work. What do you think?

EU: Thanks, lots of pages, nice ... One thing, can you show us how the trade revenues will be collected? Just a simple, basic example will do, nothing tricky. Just something to demonstrate what you have in mind. You know, a worked example for illustration ..

UK: Ah .. though you might ask us that. Well, I cannot give you an actual worked example because we haven't got that far. But as an idea, what do you think? Can we just tick this one off?

EU: Nice try .. more cake?

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UK: Right - we've had enough of your intransigence and determination to punish the UK. If you can't give reasonable ground, then you can kiss the £39 billion goodbye.

EU: But you've agreed already to the £39 billion. You can't go back on that.

UK: That was when we, like the fools we are, thought that you were going to be reasonable.

EU: If that's now your game, we'll put a border up between our lovely Irish country and your crappy Northern Ireland. We'll insist on visas for your horrible people to visit Europe. We'll deprive you of our wonderful BMW and Mercedes cars not to mention our emission cheating VWs and Audis. Our beautiful French citizens can do without your shitty lamb and we'll put up our taxes to cover your lousy £39 billion.

UK: Of course. BAU.

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If Theresa May can't explain how it works then I doubt anyone on the forum can! What a bizarre way to negotiate; if you can't explain how your position works then how on earth do you expect anyone to buy into it?

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lol. No British politician would be quite that daft as breaking our committed obligations would put us to the back of every queue for trade deals anywhere in the world. But obviously, there's something to be flexed in terms of promptness of payment.

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[QUOTE=1andrew1;35956184]If Theresa May can't explain how it works then I doubt anyone on the forum can! What a bizarre way to negotiate; if you can't explain how your position works then how on earth do you expect anyone to buy into it?[COLOR="Silver"]

It's written quite clearly in the missing text on the missing page ,it'll probably turn up in the back of a taxi after brexit .

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Again. We've barely given them anything to refuse. If we can't agree what our demands are going to be how can the EU reject them?

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we be only country in world with 0 trade deals how big a cliff you want to jump off

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Well it is a negotiation. However it's not as if we've been at this for months and keep saying No. They've had it for just under two weeks. It's a bit early to be throwing our toys out of the pram about how difficult they're being.

The Irish border was identified as an issue before the referendum. Just because Vote Leave ignored it as an issue doesn't mean it's come from nowhere.

If you're out of the customs union you need customs checks and that requires some form of infrastructure because the magical border camera technology doesn't exist yet.

Everyone says this is easy but what's the answer to it?

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It's an inconvenient truth which technology, blind faith or bluster won't solve.

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I take it you've never heard what Tusk said then.

Source https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/78...er-donald-tusk

Innovative, creative, and pragmatic solution is by definition something that has never been done before so anyone asking for an example of anywhere where it has happened won't get an answer.

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I've just returned from NI and people to whom I've spoken all agree that the border must remain open. The reason is that the IRA and Sinn Fein, who espouse unification, feel that an open border is the closest they'll get to that in the political reality. The Protestants fear that border controls would thus re-ignite violence based on the IRA cause.

You can see what an intractable problem this has now become. As others have mentioned, neither the UK nor the EU want to erect a hard border, and nor will they most likely because neither wants to shoulder blame for new violence. This MIGHT force the two sides to reach agreement but that needs to carry the British public who really have not been properly brought into the debate.

If we crash out, then under WTO rules WE would either have to erect a hard border (so I understand) or we would have to negotiate a technical solution with the WTO (that hasn't been tried anywhere - is that true?).

The UK really is in a bad place that those horrible Brussels lot can readily exploit unless the likes of Tusk bring them down to earth with the reality of the looming disaster.

Don't get me wrong. I'm not criticising the decision to leave the EU; that is perfectly reasonable. It is the inability of politicians, diplomats and bureaucrats to be reasonable that is at fault here, notably Varadkar who is playing this for all he thinks he's worth.

For the record, I'd rather stay in the EU (and not do "ever closer union") than leave on White Paper terms. I'm also content to leave the EU because sovereignty is the big issue for me.

An awful mess full of unintended consequences.

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That solution can be political too and until someone comes up with a technological one then that's likely the direction we need to go.

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Technically we don't have to have a customs border coming into the country since it's our country we can do what we want. We can wave though EU goods no problemo if we wanted too but obviously this has ramifications and is not a long-term solution. Whilst we're mirroring EU regulation it's not so bad but as soon as we want to change anything then without such a check then goods can come in which don't comply with those regulations and it probably has tax/VAT implications too.

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And to be delivered in 8 months...

Having worked in IT/Technology for nearly 40 years, I can't think of a major programme of work (like this will be) that has been delivered in that sort of timescale, and that's before you take into consideration that it will be a Government project, with all the joy that brings (and they haven't even started the tender process, which is a challenge if you don't have a delivery specification).

I want this to work, but previous experiences lead me to believe my hope may be ill-founded.

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You are falling for the hype of the remainers, who are growing ever more desperate.

First of all, you seem to be saying there has been no negotiation and the EU keep saying 'no'. If that was really the case, how come that both sides agree that we are 80% there? The illusion you are painting is not an awfully good one.

As for the Northern Ireland border, I have said a few times before that this is not the issue some people think it is. Existing arrangements are adequate for most of the trade that goes through the border, and Theresa May and Dominic Raab will be discussing the precise method by which this is done for the remainder. There are detailed options not yet made public which will be subject to negotiation.

You can see from the new bounce in her step that at long last, Theresa May can see that the final details of this plan will soon be agreed.

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Some good news if we're to avoid a no-deal Brexit.

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/poli...-a3895901.html

Let's not pretend that a no-deal Brexit makes any kind of sense.

https://www.ft.com/content/0ebec84c-...f-a6a2f7bca546

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A no-deal Brexit makes more sense if the EU doesn't behave like the enemy on 30-March.

Which friendly country would stop selling us medicines and food, particularly if we charge no duties?

Whether or not the EU holds the high cards, if they behave badly in this regard we are right to walk away.

On the other hand, I don't believe that the EU would go that far or come anything close - Varadkar notwithstanding.

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We may get extra time, but we're rubbish at penalties ;)

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The EU aren't saying they're going to stop selling us food or medicine.

The Government is worried about chaos at the ports physically bringing goods into the country. If he have hastily arranged customs checks then delays would be the problem. I think can just wave things though. As far as I can work out the Government don't actually know what the hell they're going to do so are saying they're stockpiling stuff to be 'reassuring'.

You can generally buy whatever you want from other countries if it's legal there, the issue is if it's legal here.