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Because Mueller is trying to get Manafort to crack, spill the beans if there is anything to spill, and play ball for lesser time in jail.

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Yeah but that's a normal practise of investigations. Gates, Flynn and Papadopoulos agreed to work with Mueller's investigation, Manafort didn't. All of them were charged but some got to plead to lesser crimes. Manafort presumably has the full lot.

It's not really backfiring as such, that would imply Mueller was bluffing about the indictments which it's now clear he wasn't. He just wasn't able to get Manafort to turn. Either because Manafort didn't want too or doesn't have anything to give. Who knows on that question.

For that matter we still don't know what the others gave up for lesser pleas either.

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As we know, that also describes Jared Kushner.

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No, he had a temporary clearance that has now been revoked.

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Sessions has replied to this.

https://www.mediaite.com/online/jeff...ity-and-honor/

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...1&d=1519851212

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http://thehill.com/homenews/administ...om-white-house

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Most obvious conclusion is that Trump sees that it's in his interests to allow the Russians to continue to meddle. Other theories are welcome!
http://thehill.com/homenews/administ...e-still-coming

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Yes I read that earlier. Given his statement, I have just seen a signed letter from several GOP Congressmen urging him to appoint a second special counsel.

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https://www.ft.com/content/7b354ff8-...a-4574d7dabfb6

Such measures sound good on paper but as Obama found, they have unintended consequences as other countries retaliate and costs rise for users of the raw materials due to reduced competition and the tariffs, thus driving manufacturers to Mexico, Canada etc.
I've always been fair to Trump, and to continue that policy I will say that he is carrying out one of his election promises here and appealing to his heartland. ;)

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Trump confident and former special advisor dumped all this steel stock days before the annocument of steel tariffs : https://thinkprogress.org/trump-icha...-cf7deb8beaf0/

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-43239331 Last time someone threatened the USA with nuclear weapons, there were lots of tweets about ‘Rocket Man’ and how he was going to sort North Korea out - so far, about Russia’s threats and Vlad the Invader, nothing...

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Are they actual threats or just a pissing up the wall contest?

They have always been at it, space race, weapons race, as long as they are just showing might and not actually using it against each other.

President Obama did nothing when Russia annexed Crimea. What happened there then?

What do you expect the response to be ?

Russia is a lot lot bigger than the North Korea.

So do you expect the U.S to declare war on Russia plunging the rest of the world in to a nuclear conflict because you and it doesn't like Putin's new toys ?

North Korea over several decades has continuously threatened the U.S and other nations.

Only difference is, Russia has been a nuclear state for a long time, North Korea just over a year. Go Figure.

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You keep saying this but Obama imposed increasingly punaltive sanctions which hit their economy pretty hard. Trump himself has yet to sign off sanctions voted for by congress and criticised Obama/Clinton for their hostile approach to Russia. When we argued on this before and you said we shouldn't upset them.


No you impose sanctions in the hope it increases political pressure on Putin to play nice.

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This to me sums up the benefits of sanctions:
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...ng-mike-rogers

It's ironical that Trump is proposing steel tariffs that will potentially impact key allies like Canada, France, Germany and the UK but won't implement sanctions against Russia which Congress has agreed to.

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Surely it is the duty of national security officials to disrupt any meddling by any nation in all aspects of national security with out being directed to do so.

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You would have thought so, but if you get a chance to read the article, you'll see that Mike Rogers told the committee he had not been granted the authority by Trump to counter Russian cyber-attacks at source. Rogers also advised the committee that “I need a policy decision that indicates there is specific direction to do that. The president ultimately would make this decision in accordance with a recommendation from the secretary of defense.”

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Trump did a Maggie Thatcher, and now Theresa May. Lied to the electorate. And won

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And yes, l know that Theresa May didn't win an election. She needed the DUP to help. Sh still lies

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Sanctions don't work, as has been proven with North Korea and in some part, Russia.

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Sanctions aren't a full solution no. However it's better than military escalation and it will at least make people think twice. Putin has seen his economy suffer and his political allies have their assets frozen. Even someone like Putin can't dismiss domestic consequences entirely.

Obama did do something and it was better than nothing and since we're all agreed that military solutions aren't really on the table it was the maximum he could really do. It's also the maximum Trump can realistically do as well, if he were to sign off on the sanctions.

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BREAKING: Suspect shoots himself dead outside White House forcing another Lockdown. Info via U.S Secret Service:

https://www.secretservice.gov/data/p...hite_House.pdf

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Trump's top economic adviser Gary Cohn resigns.
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/03/06/gary...ork-times.html

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Sanctions on Russia have been quite successful if nothing else Putin has had to slash the defence budget alienating quite a few high ranking military officers as the cuts have meant much reduced orders for new equipment and the combat readiness in all but a few showpiece formations is continuing to plummet. It has also limited the ways Russia interferes in sovereign states on it's borders all is not well within Russia despite what the official propaganda and paid social media trolls might try to pretend.

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Do you oppose the EU slapping tariffs on imports from other countries, if not then why can’t U.S do so, to imports in their country?

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It’s the other way around. The EU is imposing tariffs in response to Trump’s tariffs on steel.

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http://thehill.com/homenews/administ...mpression=true

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Stormy waters ahead then :)

I wonder if the morals of an alley cat plays well with his new found buddies, the religious right? Let's see ..

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Who cares...

Appears to be a gold digger IMO and she will no doubt sell her so called story to the highest sleaze bag rag willing to pay top bucks for it. :zzz:

Even if he had extra marital affairs, he was doing it, on his own time, way before he even ran for Presidency, at his own peril with his current wife.

This would only be an issue, if he had done this, in the Oval office and then lied about having any sexual encounters, like a certain President Bill Clinton. :rolleyes:

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I'm sure it'll be fine, it's okay to shoot your neighbour as long as you don't forget to say grace

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It’s the fact that she was paid to suppress the story is the issue, not the affair. Under US Electoral Law, this could be seen as electoral expenditure, as the suppression could have affected the outcome (not saying it would have, but it’s the possibility, not the actuality).

And, the fact he had an affair a few weeks after his child was born, reflects on his morals and behaviours then and now - the fact he paid to suppress the story shows he was worried about it.

Additionally, he and his lawyers have denied this ever happened (these statements were made after he became President) - if her story is true, Trump, whilst President, has been lying to the American people; is that acceptable?

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Can you name one American President that hasn't lied about something to the American people?

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What members don't realise is that there are two things to talk about.

1) The steel business. Trump is a business person. NOT a President. All he thinks of is MONEY. And what he can make for America. He's running it like a business. He will ruin the great reputation that America has with the rest of the world. He is already walking the tightrope with Mexico on building the damn wall. Most of the workers in America come from Mexico - cheap labour. And yet he wants to ban them.

He has banned several nations nationals from entering the country.

2) Its already been proven that what he is like around women. And no a Model has the bottle to come out against the President. Its already been PROVEN that money was paid to shut her up. And he calls it fake news.

Trump is the worst President ever. I thought that Clinton was bad by saying he didn't have sex with that woman.

But this time a woman has come forward to say that she was paid to keep quiet

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The best solution is to negotiate a deal as Canada did.
Knee-jerk reactions just don't help the US; we saw recently that Electrolux suspended work on a new factory there because of the potential US tariffs on steel which would increase the costs of all steel sold in the USA, not just imported steel. https://www.tennessean.com/story/new...eel/391059002/

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You're right but thanks to Trump not implementing Congress's sanctions (why bite the hand that feeds?) there's little disincentive for Russia not to meddle in the US's affairs via social media.

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Really Andrew. Which deal would that be?

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/stee...rump-1.4558967

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If all he thinks about is money then wtf has he dropped down the rich list?

He is not taking a Salary while in office and has donated 1 Million Dollars during the hurricane disasters last year.

Cheap Labour is bad, wake up Arthur, cheap Labour drives down wages and stops legitimate jobs being filled by legal citizens.

And rightfully so, they don’t have legitimate security checks at their borders, in these countries that was btw, a list formed by the Obama Administration.

As for the rest of your post about him being worst President, he has been in office over a year, he is fulfilling his election pledges, jobs growth is up, economy is doing great and that’s all people who voted for him care about.

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Either lied or kept information from the public.

President Kennedy is one such case, whilst trying to depict himself a young and healthy candidate during his election campaign, was far from it, medical records from the John F. Kennedy Presidential Library, show he had a number of complex conditions. He was very secretive of his health issues, through fear he would be declared medically unfit for office.

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Its part of their DNA as why tell the truth when one can lie and get away with it....

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There is a suggestion Canada and Mexico will be excluded from the steel tariffs, hopefully the UK too.

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Economy isn't going to do so great if he speaks a trade war with America's biggest customers.:erm:

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Can you name another recent President who, when asked a direct question about something, has lied about it?

Not vacillated, misled, prevaricated, kept information secret, but outright lied in response to a specific question like this one has?

I feel if President Obama had paid hush money to a stripper just before his election and then she sued him, the GOP in Congress might have held a hearing about that?

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No because they would not be chasing every bull shit headline every two minutes and Trump didn’t pay any hush money, if you read the reports properly. :rolleyes:

There is plenty of things coming out now that Obama could have done, to mislead, and also was unconstitutional, DACA being one of them, GOP should have held a hearing on that for sure, because he abused his power, interesting that in that the last few days, a Federal Judge in Maryland has said Trump Admin can legally rescind DACA.

Uranium One is being reinvestigated due to a key witness now being allowed to testify.

We got the FISA Abuses under Obama’s watch. The targeting of a Political opponent, to spy on their election campaign, using a Crooked Hillary & Democrat funded Dossier as the source. (Far worse than Watergate).

We got the scandal of Obama reportedly, letting Hezbollah off the hook.

The ‘Fast and Furious’ Documents are to be released now by DOJ, this scandal when former Attorney General Eric Holder, another Obama appointee, who was slapped with a ‘Contempt of Congress’ for withholding requested information.

And Obama lied on TV saying he did not talk to his FBI on pending cases, ever, period, yet we got text messages from disgraced FBI Agents stating President Obama wanted to know ‘everything they were doing’.

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There is always 'plenty coming out about Obama' that never seems to lead to grounds for an investigation let along a finding. They always seem to come from Republican congressmen or in some cases Twitter.

And of course this 'far worse than Watergate' thing. Watergate led to imprisonments, impeachment, a resignation. Then the Republican written memo doesn't allege Obama/Clinton intentionally created this Dossier to spy on Trump (who wasn't wiretapped himself) but it's now apparently fact.

But whatever. If there is evidence investigate it, I'm not Obama's lawyer.

The question here is about Trump who's currently the President.

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Deflection tactics, only answer Mick ever seems have in his defence of Trump.

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It is being investigated by the OIG, but he does not have powers to prosecute, that’s why a second special counsel is being requested.

It did not quite lead to impeachment, Nixon resigned on the back of a potential removal from office. Watergate was a botched break in, it was all the subsequent actions of coverups, Saturday night massacre that got Nixon in hot water.

You are forgetting, Clinton had the affair while in office, literally, in the Oval Office. Trump is suppose to have had this so called fling, over ten years ago, on his own time, as a private citizen. What a private citizen gets up to for their own sexual gratification, as long as it was legal and consensual, is their own business surely?

You would have a point if the President was partaking in extra sexual encounters, while in public office and then lying about it, you know, just like Bill Clinton, who was impeached in the House, but acquitted in the Senate for doing such a thing.

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Rubbish.

Got nothing of substance to add as usual I see. You’re like a broken down record. I will not stop pointing out hypocrisy where I see it. If you don’t like it, stop reading the thread FFS. :rolleyes:

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I don't actually care if someone has an affair as a private citizen or President. To be honest it's private either way so you can view it a morally failing whenever they did it or you can shrug it off either way. There is a question about the abuse of power but Clinton's real problem wasn't even that he lied but that he lied under oath. Which is different, which is why he was in trouble in a way Trump won't be.

But as a moral matter I don't see them being different but then I don't care that much. It's not news Trump has had affairs.

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I would say having Sex in the Oval Office, in the White House, is not appropriate and not ok to do. Had Clinton done this in the private residence, of the White House might have been less of an issue. It would be like John Bercow having a quickie on the benches in the Commons. These are areas owned by the public. What he got up to in his private chambers, wouldn’t be an issue also.

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But the news is that he lied about having the affair, paid off someone just before the election, and since then, as President, has lied about it.

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To be honest, most people would not admit having an affair. I don't care whether The Donald has had affairs or not, that's his business. As long as it doesn't diminish the office of President, he can have as many affairs as he likes as far as I'm concerned.

Don't think it did Berlusconi much harm! :D

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Trump's lawyer paid the money prior to the election, presumably for the benefit of Trump’s campaign, it should be considered a campaign contribution. As such, it would be in violation of federal election law, because it wasn’t reported and it exceeded the maximum allowable contribution amount.

There’s a maximum amount that someone can contribute to a campaign, and $130k exceeds that. Additionally, campaigns are legally required to report contributions that they receive, and this payment was not reported.

If Trump knew about the payment to Clifford, that would mean that he and his campaign knowingly received a contribution that exceeded the legal limit, and kept it from the Federal Elections Commission.

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The UK will not be exempt from Trump's steel tariffs. Only Mexico and Canada: https://twitter.com/CommunityUnion/s...52647472029696

They're a big customer for the UK steel industry.

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Australia might be getting an exemption too actually.

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That may because while we are still stuck in the EU, we trade as one bloc, if he grants the UK an exemption, that's giving the EU an exemption as well, which he has said he will not do.

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NAFTA has ensured that Mexico and Canada are exempt. The US needs to do more of this type of thing, as Canada has done.

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Maybe if we gave Trump two tickets to the Royal Wedding he might reconsider? ;)

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Looks like things are changing. He seems to be listening for a change.

https://www.themaven.net/theresurgen...DxLQBww?full=1

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BREAKING NEWS: South Korea Security Advisor, has made a major statement from the White House in the U.S. He announces that U.S President Donald Trump, will meet with North Korea Leader Kim Jong Un at some point by May this year, at a time and place to be agreed at another time.

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U.S Jobs growth up bigly in February... The economy added 313,000 jobs in February, smashing expectations as unemployment holds steady at 4.1 percent.

Source: Washington Post.

https://twitter.com/washingtonpost/s...02970090446849

I guess the haters will still be thanking Obama though. :rolleyes:

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The problem here is the "unmentionable" in the wood pile that may be caused by any tariffs he sees as protecting US industry.

The US solar industry is already laying off workers due to tariffs.

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I think it's fine to give Trump credit for the continued good economy. But you can thank Obama as well as the trend line is the same. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.db5428d438b4. So it doesn't have to be one or the other.

https://www.cableforum.uk/images/local/2018/03/3.png

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I think we could see an increase if he doesn't listen to good advisors.

Pity your graph is from last year as reports seem to show the rate of unemployment dropping even further.

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The chart is from data at the end of 2017 so only a few months ago. It would go down to 4.1% if it went up to now.

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0.6% drop in a few months not bad then as opposed to a graph covering 17yrs.

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The fact that more people are in work is worth celebrating.

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Here is the last year.

https://tradingeconomics.com/united-...mployment-rate

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...5&d=1520614616

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...6&d=1520614676

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Which shows that between Jan last year and Jan this year millions more are in work and it has since stabalised. Stlll a good thing whichever way you look at it especially for those who actually live there.

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Yup - the actual stats are here.

https://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.nr0.htm

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So it's not a good thing that unemployment is down to 4.1% based on the figures you've supplied.

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You must have missed my post on the previous page.

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President Trump issues his second full and unconditional Presidential Pardon last night, to the Navy Sailor who was sentenced to jail for taking pictures of a Submarine engine room, that was considered Classified. Kristian Saucier, 31, was sentenced to jail but released after 1 year and was put under house arrest. His conviction and subsequent criminal record, together with the house arrest conditions, prevented him from obtaining a worthy career and his veteran benefits were stopped, causing him severe financial problems.

He applied for a Pardon last year, but was denied, his hopes were rekindled when Trump tweeted recently comparing ‘Crooked Hillary’ s email scandal’ where classified emails were mishandled but the FBI had given her a free pass so she was able to run for presidency. But they indict a Navy Sailor for mishandling and illegal distribution of Classified material, by sharing photos of the Submarine engine room with his family.

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I think Trump has done the right thing here as there was no malicious intent.

No doubt he will be pounced upon by those who find fault with everything he does.

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http://thehill.com/policy/internatio...d-be-behind-us Imagine our surprise when, in a few weeks time, the FSB uncover a plot by dual-nationality Russian citizens (some of them Jewish) that shows they were hacking the US election - they will probably be shot whilst trying to escape, as well... :rolleyes:

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I take it more as Putin knows there is proof of Russian interference which has likely been uncovered and is trying to preempt it by putting the blame elsewhere. Russia has been playing fast and loose for quite a while now and further sanctions might be more then Russia can manage Putin has growing discontent to deal with and the russian people are not buying into the western bogeyman as they once did. Our biggest problem is Trump his reluctance to accept russian interference much less take any action against Russia is giving too much breathing space atm.

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BREAKING: This just in from House Intelligence Commission Chairman Conaway just announced that the Committee is closing the "Russian collusion" investigation, having found zero evidence of any collusion between the Trump campaign and Russians.

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Well, it’s hard to find something if you don’t look for it...

http://thehill.com/policy/national-s...ollusion-found

Mmmm, who to believe - 18 different Intelligence Community agencies, or a bunch of people trying to protect someone who will not impose sanctions on a foreign government who has been found to have interfered in your election...

However https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/12/u...mp-russia.html What, they did it for fun, because they were bored between invading Crimea and assassinating ex-spies in other countries?

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Interference that played no part in effecting the end result.

Also, they have been looking for it and found nothing because it never happened.

There is no way 18 separate (Actual 16) Intelligence agencies have made official statements that say Trump colluded with Russia. The DNC severs were not even handed over or examined, to conclusively prove who hacked them.

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I think it's impossible to prove that either way.

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No it’s not because Mueller’s team said that when they announced the indictments if 13 Russian nationals. Their interference played no part in changing the end result. Americans had already decided who they were voting for, they did not need Russians to tell or help them decide.

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And another ones gone: https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...=.91ea2c700d39

Shame. Tillerson was quite aligned with us as seen with him explicitly naming Russia in his statement yesterday.

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Looks like he may have found out he was fired from Trumps tweet: https://twitter.com/mitchellreports/...57338304073729

The State Department already said Trump hasn't spoken to Tillerson about it.

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And another one...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-43388157 I’m confused - he’s been fired from the White House because he’s being investigated for financial crimes, but the Trump campaign has hired him, even though he is being investigated?

Some more info here https://www.cnbc.com/2018/03/13/trum...-campaign.html

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Make that three firings now from Trump's Stong & Stable regime.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...-a8254151.html

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A special election in Pennsylvania is now 'too close to call': http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/bellw..._vod_headlines

This is about a 20 point swing from when Trump won the district or 17 point swing for the last congressional election.

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And it’s returned a Republican since 2003.

Latest results

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...-election.html

Conor Lamb leads by 0.3 percentage points, or 579 votes, over Rick Saccone with 100 percent of precincts fully reporting.
CANDIDATE PARTY VOTES PCT.
Conor Lamb
Democrat
113,111 49.8%
Rick Saccone
Republican
112,532 49.6
Drew Miller
Libertarian
1,372 0.6
227,015 votes, 100% reporting (593 of 593 precincts)

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Gonna have to be a full recount I guess. That's very close! I think anything under 0.5% is an automatic recount.

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Cannot really measure things like swings etc accurately in one Congressional race, and as it stands, 5 out of 6 congressional elections have gone to Republicans, either way, turn out is not as good as Country wide presidential elections. People just don’t go out and vote like they do in big elections.

I read also some Republicans voters were turned away from voting, because the district lines on the map were changed in the recent boundary changes, which Republicans I believe have approached the Supreme Court to look at.

Democrat Lamb also ran on Trump policies, Pro Life, Pro-Gun, said wouldn’t vote behind Pelosi etc.

There was also other Elections yesterday and the Republican candidate won very comfortably.

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-sta...nnessee-senate

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Nope - the lines haven’t changed yet, as this is the last vote on the previous gerrymandered voting districts, and the election in November will be under the new districts.

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-polit...districts-2018

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I know the lines have not changed but some Republican voters were still turned away!

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These are also measure against the last congressional races. There have been significant swings to the Democratic candidate even in the ones that ultimately went to the Republicans. It's not a good sign to have a 17-point swing even if you manage to hold onto the seat because in many districts you wouldn't have such a huge margin to lose.

Bit rich. The district is heavily drawn for Republicans: (it's in the bottom left-hand corner)

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com.../pennsylvania/

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No it is not a bit rich, I saw what these voters were saying, they were turned away, being told the district lines had been changed, in tight races like this, things like that matter and need to be investigated.

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Of course they do but it could equally be possible Democrats were turned away.

There always seems to be some reason. When Roy Moore lost it was fraudulent voters, this time Republicans were turned away. It's a wonder Republicans win at all since every Democrat seems to getting in via nefarious means

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Well there was fraudulent voters, these elections do have such things you know.

Last night's election is not indicative of how things will go in November. Yesterday, the Democrat candidate Lamb went in +6 point lead and barely won (pending challenges). As I already said, he had to run as a pro-2A, pro-life, anti-Pelosi Dem. Hardly representative of their party.

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The poll that him +6 was the most kind poll to him. On average he actually went in with a +2 lead: https://www.realclearpolitics.com/ep...lamb-6327.html

But this was a comfortably Republican district. The last time there was an election the Democrats didn't even bother to run.

We don't know if the Democrat has actually won because the margin is so close that it won't be called. He is ahead but there will certainly be a recount.

However irrespective of which way this narrow margin falls losing to a Democrat in a heavily Republican district doesn't bode well for November even if the results don't replicate exactly.

If I were to bet I would say the Republicans will narrowly hang on as the map is advantageous to them, more Democrats are up for re-election than Republicans and the Dems are in competitive districts whereas the Republicans are in safe seats. Still in special elections, actual votes, there have been a large move away from the Republican.

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You cannot say that because the turn out is low, these one off special elections do not see large voter turn out like large scale presidential elections, so this swing you speak of cannot be accurately measured and the point you keep ignoring is that Lamb run on Republican policies and is said to be Anti-Pelosi.

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The last point is rather standard though. Unless they've lost their minds then Democrats run their most right-wing candidates in deep red states and Republicans their most liberal candidates in deep blue states.

In the voters wanted a Republican there was still one on the ballot.

As for turnout I am not sure how it compares to before, it's actually pretty difficult to find anywhere that tells me this. :confused: If you know of anywhere that's reporting the numbers let me know.

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This may explain why some people can't vote (because they're not supposed to...)

http://triblive.com/local/regional/1...ng-eligibility

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Lamb ran on a platform for universal health care, for reproductive choice (pro-choice, not "Pro Life"), and protecting unions - none of these are Trump policies. He supported the steel/aluminum tariff policy and stronger background checks.

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A GOP talking point about the Dems win in Pennsylvania 18 is that voters voted for a Democrat who supported Trump policies - in that case, why didn’t they vote for the Republican who said "he was Trump before Trump was Trump", and was an avid Trump supporter?

Also, Shah, the White House spokesman called the result "essentially a tie." - must be a new definition of "tie" I hadn’t come across before... :D

Oh yes, I forgot - "alternative facts"...

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What the hell are you going on about ?

It was a tie. Less than a thousand votes in it, was not even more than 0.5%, which triggers a recount. That is a tie. :rolleyes:

Anything to say about the Texas Senate Primary vote, the other week where Ted Cruz got twice the amount the Democrat candidate did?

Ted Cruz got 1.3 Million votes btw.

Nothing to say about the Tennessee State Senate Seat, GOP candidate won pretty big margin of votes there?

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It's a State race, so there is no automatic recount.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/pol...-rules-n856561A tie is when contestants finish at the same time or score the same number of points - in this case, one got more votes than the other, so that's a win, not a tie...

Ted Cruz vs Democrat - erm, they were in separate Primaries for being the Republican or Democrat candidate - they weren't competing against each other...

Tennessee State Senate seat - very safe Republican seat - mind you, so were Alabama and Penn District 18 supposed to be...

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I am well aware of that and it does not make any difference to original point I made.

As for the rest of your post, it's still 5-1 to the Republicans for Congressional races since Trump was elected. I remember Democrats spending over 50 Million in one of them and still losing. :rolleyes:

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You misremembered.

It was in Georgia 6th District which Republicans held since 1992, and the Dems spent around $30 million and Republicans $25 million, with the Republican majority being reduced from 62%/38% to 52%/48%.

So much winning...

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Mueller has subpoenaed all records from the Trump organisation relating to Russia: https://www.theatlantic.com/politics...ng-for/555743/

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The article seems to suggest that this is routine for this type of investigation.

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It is.

Few lines coming out of the U.S at moment...

Trump has or is firing H.R McMaster. His National Security Advisor. (Though Press Secretary has tweeted to say she’s asked Trump and there are no changes at NSC)).

Sessions is being urged to fire Deputy FBI Director Andy McCabe by people within the FBI itself, before he retires on Sunday, he was placed on leave in early Feb. He cannot claim his pension if he is fired.

Calls for Second Special Counsel growing to prosecute individuals for FISA Abuses on Carter Page.

OIG report expected imminently.

Hillary Clinton breaks wrist slipping in the bath.

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Rubbish, I did no such thing. My point still stands, you misremembering your own posts. A win is a win. :rolleyes:

It is 5-1. So yes, still so much winning for the GOP.

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Probably. Just interesting and we seem to have a while to go in this investigation yet...

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BREAKING: Deputy FBI Director, Andrew McCabe has been fired by U.S Attorney General Jeff Session, days before he was eligible to collect his lifetime retirement pension. He was terminated on the recommendation of the OIG and the FBI themselves for alleged misconduct during the FBI Investigation of Hillary Clinton.

I tell ya Mick .. I cant stand the sheeple in my country!!

The other day I heard one of them on a phone yell out "DONALD TRUMP IS A GREAT PRESIDENT" .. I wanted to vomit!!!!!!