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Yes its staggering really that as the way things are going the Conservatives have gone from a landslide certainty according to many experts and many in their own party to self destruction in the space of 6 months.

There are many reasons why as first they have Theresa May so that's a pretty bad start to start with especially with what was a utterly disastrous election campaign which had to go down as one of the worse campaigns l have ever seen in my lifetime especially given that her opponent was a certain Mr Corbyn who's popularity was very low to say the least before the election as she should have never called a election but did because she and her team thought it was a golden chance to stay in power for many years to come end of....

With her strong and stable slogan allied with U turn after U turn from the set manifesto that they put out it was by all accounts a total shambles from start to finish and many of those comments came from her own supporters.

She should have gone straight after the election as IMO she was fatally wounded on election night and thus there is the right time to go and that was the right time.

Other big reasons why she and her party are unpopular are there for all to see as others l suspect on this forum will expand on that far more articulately then l.

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People have gotten fed up with the same old tired choices so they are looking for something different..even if it's something old and not blue.

Maybe it is time for a new party? However they will have to have NEW ideas.

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Yeh. I've always said that this is how politics works with the general public.

if they get bored of you they vote for change. if they think you're taking the pee and getting above yourselves they'll vote you out. if they think you're weak they'll vote for someone stronger.

always has been, and always will be the case.
they even start regretting most of the general public even having the right to do all this by way of a vote.

but Labour is in now. easily.

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There's a good case for not letting people have a vote. They usually make stupid decisions, based on lies and misinformation which they usually regret soon afterwards. A benevolent dictatorship is the way to go ;)

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don't beat your self up i'm sure you'll do better next time :tu:

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I'm genuinely beginning to wonder. Just look at the excrement spouted here by some for an advertisement against democracy, Papa Smurf popping up at an appropriate time.

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i see your still carrying the baggage of defeat around with you .It's making you quite bitter , you should look towards our bright future and not dwell on the failed past
don't worry be happy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-diB65scQU

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Hope and Faith and "happy" songs on YouTube ... is this all you can contribute to the debate?

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i was lost in a sea of despair my vote had no meaning but then i found brexit

hallelujah i found faith praise be to Nigel ,obviously now i have faith [praise be to Nigel] i don't have to justify it faith needs no justification

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YrLk4vdY28Q

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Seriously, where's the evidence convincing you that we will be better off in the years ahead? After all, surely you must value your own personal prosperity and, if you have children or grand children, their hopes & aspirations?

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i have two sons both adults and both voted for brexit ,we all made our choice for our own reasons , no one can see the future we can only strive to make it a good and prosperous one, hopefully not shackled to the EU. That is what the country voted for and i hope that is what the government delivers and not a diluted version driven by political infighting ,the way things are going it looks like we will just walk away and i'm fine with that as long as we are out .
i haven't got involved in the new brexit thread because it's just going round in circles and going nowhere .

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I genuinely don't understand this attitude unless you actually believe the propaganda outlets like the Express push out. The Express is venomous on this because its owner doesn't like the EU's anti-tax avoidance legislation taking effect in 2019, I've no idea why a 'normal' person would be. This would be the worst possible outcome.

Here're some thoughts on the impacts on the NHS of the scenario you are fine with, not that you're going to read it - if you're fine with 'no deal' you most definitely haven't looked into it:

http://www.thelancet.com/journals/la...926-8/fulltext

We have no real contingency planning for this scenario. We have acquired no land, set aside no funding and made no planning applications for new customs facilities. Our new customs IT system, even assuming it's ready in time, will not be capable of handling the load - we need more time at very least and ideally some kind of trade deal in place.

Of course if you can supply some concrete benefits that wouldn't be massively outweighed by the downsides I'd be very happy to hear them. If you can do that let's continue this conversation in the Brexit thread. A thread that is not going around in circles at all, it reflects the changing situation. You may not like what is being said there and you may not like that posts like the ones you've put on this thread aren't acceptable there, but if you can have a mature and sensible conversation I'm very open to it.

I would remind you that my main position in all of this has been EFTA/EEA - which is not membership of the EU. My desire to cancel the whole affair kicked in when it became very clear that, having suggested this was the most likely scenario of an exit, this was cast aside and the most extreme interpretation of the result put forward.

Given you're a father of two adult children you must have some reasons why you don't want the UK in the EEA, right? Let's hear them on there.

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Austerity (or more accurately living within our means) is not something you can sell to the electorate. Hence the election campaign the Conservatives embarked upon.
Theresa May has put the good of the country's finances above any other single issue. Welfare spending and NHS cuts have to happen, the economy can't sustain either, though both are politically sensitive and the case for it has to be made.

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Sorry about that. The invitation was made to continue conversation there but sadly not taken. The poster was too busy suggesting the European Union are Nazis to take the time to respond to my question.

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No they don't. If we can fix our productivity issues we will generate the tax revenues we require to properly fund our public services without borrowing more.

We've done nothing to address them, unfortunately, we've managed to create an economy where many are employed but many of them aren't very productive.

Time, perhaps, to take a different approach involving investment in education, infrastructure and trying to light a torch under our private sector. Public investment has been too low for too long and private investment has started tanking too.

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I want to cut through endless debate on this topic, so I will explain the rationale (as I understand it) underpinning this and future debates.

The world's problems stem from overpopulation. Simply put, the less of us on this planet, the better it is for those who remain (within reason). Overpopulation impacts our lives through immigration and resource shortages. An economy is built on energy and sustained by it. The richest economies in the world have a relatively low population and access to a surplus of energy resources, in the form of petroleum, coal, uranium and natural gas.
Almost all western countries are net importer of oil. Peak oil production, globally has already taken place and countries who adhere to the basic tenets (as outlined) are electrifying their transportation system.
The UK has already begun with infrastructure projects such as crossrail and HS2. Hinkley point C and Bradwell nuclear power stations are meant to replace some of our existing nuclear fleet. Although more will have to be built if the country is to transition away from fossil fuels and power the new infrastructure.

In addition to this there's wind farm projects like the London array, Walney Extension, Greater Gabbard among others.
It would be remiss of me, if I wasn't to admit to the short comings of renewable energy, especially energy density and transmission loses. But I will say it's currently our only, realistic, hope of maintaining our standard of living beyond this century.

In regards to productivity, we can't compete with wages from China and India. That's the long and short of it.

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Low population is a function of economic success and the longer-lived, healthier population that comes with it. The pressure to reproduce in sufficient numbers to ensure the survival of the next generation is removed. Population isn’t the problem, it is a symptom of the problem that there are massive swathes of the world that are playing catch-up with the West.

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The Tories have been ordered to abstain on the vote about Universal Credit (it's non-brinding) so Labour have ensured the vote goes ahead rather than being noded though by putting forward two of their own MPs as No: https://twitter.com/elashton/status/920711929274011652

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As no tellers. There's a difference and will not the vote being passed.

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I don't know what you mean for the last part.

Yeah they'll be no tellers but my understanding is that it forces a vote with numbers, and the chance for Tory rebellions (they got 1), rather than just passing it without a vote.

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Should've read "will not stop the vote being passed". It may force a vote but won't change the outcome.

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Oh yeah. Precisely. They just wanted the vote.

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To draw attention to the PM declining to pause the roll-out and Labour advocating it is paused?

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You really think the roll out is going to be paused????

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Um no, what makes you think that?

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Clive Lewis showing his true colours again:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-41697615

Nice eh?

This is the guy who accused anyone who supports migration controls of being racist.

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I don't think it's a big deal in the full context. He was saying it to a man who was asked to kneel down by the person running the event due to some camera issue. The women on the stage and the man know Clive Lewis and all seem to be defending him. It seems like a joke between friends which was inadvisable in a recorded event.

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Well they would be defending him lol. He wasn't speaking at a Tory meeting after all lol

Lewis has form for being obnoxious just like so many of his loony lefty chums who love branding other people nasty but:

http://www.express.co.uk/news/politi...ing-Labour-Row

Of course if it was a Tory toff calling someone a pleb then we could all call for his sacking...

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But that’s the point isn’t it? He was talking to a guy he knows and the others knew. He wasn’t saying it to a random woman.

Well it would depend on the context. If he said it to a friend in jest it’s very different to a stranger with malice.

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Looks like the Conservatives have appreciated that there is an issue with Universal Credit and plan to do something about it.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017...d-fears-could/

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Really, so it couldn't possibly betray the possibility that this guy is just a nasty piece of work who doesn't at all mind abusively stereotyping other people who dare to disagree with his views on migration and couldn't care less about using foul insults as he did when he called Wes Streeting a 'jumped up little turd'.

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I just think it's an unwise thing he said but not especially bad in the context since he said it to a friend and a man. I don't really have much more to say on it because I don't care. If calling someone that irrespective on the context is damning then that's going to be a tough standard to enforce.

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It would be authoritarian if you can't have some banter with your mates, but if you're in a public area and a politician it's obviously a bit unwise.

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There are all sorts of things you can't go around calling people regardless of the context - the N word would be one. For a guy in this position it's appalling but not at all surprising that he used this language because this sort of underlying nastiness and hypocrisy runs through sections of his party.

Those of his colleagues who've condemned him have either done so sincerely or they're just going through the motions because it suits their purpose for one reason or another.

Had it been a Tory who behaved in this manner people like Lewis would have been the first to be jumping up and down with indignant rage demanding resignation and whining on about Tory nastiness.

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I know what you mean ;)

Cheers

Dave

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Despite the chaos the Government's in, the opposition continues to put its foot in it regularly. This time Harriet Harman. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a8035766.html

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As l say its pretty endemic across most of the political parties sadly.

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This is pretty extraordinary: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017...i-army-secret/

• She met the Israeli PM on holiday.
• Didn't tell the Foreign Office or the Cabinet Office despite telling The Guardian she had.
• Then came back to the Cabinet and suggest policy based on these meetings without telling anyone she had them.
• Didn't tell May ahead of her own visit with Netanyahu that she had already met him.
• Is not fired.

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Theresa May is not strong enough anymore to fire her and Boris IMO as the election and subsequent events since then have weakened her hand considerably.

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maybe she was working on behalf of her constituents

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Do the constituents of Witham in Essex, have a special interest in Israeli affairs ?. I would have though they are more concerned about pot holes ( rightly so !)

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they might be Jewish ;)

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Not seeing the issue.

All these pathetic media witch hunts need to end. Boris is Boris and I prefer to have a gaffe prone MP running the foreign office than that ghastly rude vile creature, called Emily Thornberry, who attacked a white van man on Twitter, a few years back, his crime: for being patriotic, in his own country during an international football tournament and putting up an English flag.

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The issue is a cabinet minister is going off seemingly going freelance with foreign policy without informing the PM, cabinet office, foreign office or the foreign secretary.

'Boris is Boris' is not sufficient excuse for his 'gaff' either. Words matter and he can't keep claiming exemption because of his personality. If Iran do use his words to extend a British citizens detention then that is far worse than making a comment about a flag.

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I'm sure Mrs Zaghari- Ratcliff is fine with potentionally spending 5 extra years in prison because Boris is being Boris, personally I'm sick of him and his act and think anyone still being taken in by it might just want to buy these magic beans of me

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You mean you don't want to see a issue.

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Again if its a witch hunt of any other party its fine but not of the party that you support?.

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We all know what she is like so there is no surprise there but we are not talking about her or Jeremy's gang as we are talking about Boris and his repeated gaffes and lack of how to behave as is becoming of a foreign secretary.

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https://twitter.com/NewsAnnabelle/st...78205982371841

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do you wan't to buy a bag of [ off's ] so your posts make sense ;)

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As you're checking grammar for us, it's a capital D at the start of a sentence and want not wan't. Also a full stop at the end would make for the perfect ending. ;)

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i'll borrow one of those off's and let you guess what goes before it :)

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This story keeps getting better: https://www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/n...tings-1.447605

No 10 knew of the meetings after they happened, told her not to tell anyone, then denied they knew.

So as I gather. She meet the Israeli PM 'on holiday' and that seems to have informed policy. She then lied about that to the press but not No 10 who also lied about knowing to the press and both of them lied to the foreign office. Mental.

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Good grief the more one opens the can the more worms seem to come out of it.

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It’s a non story and unimportant as far as I’m concerned.

It’s Iran up to no good with their over zealous legal processes. They are using this woman as a bargaining chip.

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It's just a lot of pedantic nonsense about very little, Den. You'd think the media would have other more serious world events to cover.

Whether Priti Patel stays or goes is not of prime importance to the nation, although I suppose it takes attention away from this tedious never ending Brexit debate that's been going on forever.

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I think part of the story is the complete chaos that is the government right now.

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One cannot pick and choose what one likes from the media just because it does not suit ones own political leanings OB be it whatever party one supports.

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Democracy's do have debates OB as remember this is probably the most important event that has happened in this country for a long long time so people have every right to air their opinions and views even if one disagrees with it.

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Yes and some people are cynically trying to turn all sorts of pathetic nonsense into more chaos in order to bring the government down. That's a dangerous game and if they succeed in doing so the next government will get the same treatment and there'll be even more chaos. Nobody is going to benefit from that, least of all the ordinary man in the street who's already suffered so much but it'll give the media plenty to fill their airtime...

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Agreed, Osem. There are too many people trying to cause trouble at the moment. Any idiot can be critical, but Theresa has a huge problem given her slender majority, and yet things are moving forward.

I can imagine far worse chaos if Jeremy was in power without a clear majority. In fact I can hardly bring myself to think about it. Yet this is what we will get if we're not careful, so we should back off and let her do her job.

And for those who would like to see Marxist Jeremy in power, be careful what you wish for, comrades. You might get more than you bargained for (and I'm certainly not talking money here!).

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The media and the opposition will always go after weakness in the government. The trick is how strong the government is, how much material they give them and how they act when something goes wrong. May seems unwilling or unable to take action.

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Maybe she shouldn't have called the election and then taken the electorate for granted. It's the Government's fault we're in this mess and that Corbyn has a realistic prospect of getting into No 10. No 10 and the Cabinet seem to be in total disarray with Minsters going freelance if they're not backstabbing each other. Expecting charity from the opposition and media is naive.

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Any action Theresa takes could make a difficult situation even worse. I'm amazed that she has managed to keep her show on the road, given the devastating curse that she seems to be trying to take her out at every turn. Terrorist events in her election campaign, throat infection at her party conference, EU negotiators being complete arses - just about everything you could throw at her is being thrown. Yet with grim determination, she moves forward, steadily, surely. She'd get a medal if she was on the battlefield.

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That is ridiculous, with all due respect.

All the indications were that TM would sail home with a thumping majority, which would have given her the authority she needed to get on with Brexit. How can you blame her for taking advantage of that?

As it happens, the campaign was ill thought out by her advisors, and Jeremy was able to extract more votes out of the system by manipulating the young. Those were the two things that went wrong, so blame Theresa if you must, but you are aiming your accusations at the wrong person.

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I felt for her with the speech, that was out of her control, but she needs to get a grip on the government otherwise this will continue. A lot of this is her own making by throwing away her majority and if she really is unable to to take action against her ministers then this is not a well-functioning government. At the moment she isn't so much moving forward as caught in a state of stagnation and she'll certainly be unable to get much though the commons at the moment.

Any moment now Patel will, finally, be out but only because it really did become untenable.

Really what else does May have to lose at this point? Might as well be bold and go for it since it's unlikely she leads the party into another election.

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Yes I don't think that anyone without the benefit of 20/20 hindsight can blame her for deciding on an election given the situation at the time. It was however a very poor campaign and she can be blamed for some of that. Frankly the lies Labour told during the campaign were a disgrace but a lot of people believed them. Many have since learned how wrong they were to do so. May has been as much under siege as Trump and it's been a severe test just to survive.

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The difference being that Trump deserves it. May does not.

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She is responsible for the campaign, she signed off on the manifesto, she hired the advisors and took their advice. It's not a secret that the rest of the party felt she shut them out and relied too much on Nick Timothy and Fiona Hill. The cabinet were only told of the social care policy the day of it's unveiling. How is she not responsible? In the end she threw away the majority.

As for the young well throwing things at the electorate is what parties do. Why do you think the Conservatives offered the triple-lock for pensioners and largely isolated them from the austerity program? That's no different to Corbyn offering stuff to the young. You can't expect the young not to react while the government does nothing for them and then patronise them by saying they're being manipulated when someone actually addresses their concerns. If there is a lesson from Brexit then that was it!

Besides there was also a swing in middle-aged voters in urban areas and a decline in the turnout of older people. It wasn't all young people.

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I don't suppose May feels any better at that thought... ;)

Patel's just resigned it seems.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-41923007

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Wow the house of Tory's is falling apart..

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It was inevitable that she would have to tender her resignation as that was the only option given the PM's very weakened government.

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She wants to be careful resigning, she won't qualify for job seekers allowance now ;)

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It feels like the last days of the Major government all over again - sex scandals, divisions over Europe, resignations etc.

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nah bozzer will replace may before too long and then the real fun will begin ;)

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Anyone other than Corbyn, or it's Venezuela MK II and no amount of food banks will save us from that socialism disaster.

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Quite - you have all these people becoming apoplectic with rage about the fall in Sterling as a result of Brexit yet that'll all pale into insignificance if Corbyn and McDonnell were to be running the country. They won't admit that of course. They'll carry on whining as if the UK is Greece until Labour assume control then they'll blame the ensuing financial and social chaos on the Tories. Some things never change...

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Likely that we will soon see the end of Mayhem and the likely end of Brexit. :D

Bit sorry for Theresa May but she knows she's on a fool's errand but what politician doesn't want to become PM. Not sorry for incompetents like BoJo who has succeeded in getting one of our citizens an extended jail term in Iran by not mastering basic facts.

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No he has not, you’re not good at mastering facts either so what gives ?

The extended jail term was an issue before Boris opened his mouth and guess what? - It is still an Iran prison issue.

Brexit was a democratic process, one of the biggest, it will still be happening, so dream on.

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Socialism , Capitalism not much to choose between the two as they are both pretty crap IMO.

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So what system would you like Den ?

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he's talking Bolsheviks ;)

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One that considers all parts of society instead of certain select groups.

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No you obviously are pretty way out with that assertion papa.

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Sounds good, something like this ;)


a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.

Spoiler: 

socialism

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Yes because, it’s worked wonders for Venezuela. :rolleyes:

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A abject failure if you look at the past Mr K.

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So, as we've said before, if they're all as 'bad as each other', you're going to have to stand for election yourself Den. Go for it !

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Yup, it's so great there that Red Ken's emigrating IIRC. :D

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l am not worthy of that honour Mr K as there are many far more perfect for the job that l am.:no:

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i don't know leader of the Bingo party might look good on you ;)

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https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/local/2017/11/5.jpg

If the cap fits...:D

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That's not bad old bean.:)

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The difference being that the pensioners have the triple lock. Jeremy admits that he couldn't deliver on his promise.

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Or the others like rail and utilities nationalisation...

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You've altered your tune somewhat on Jeremy "Venezuela" Corbyn! From being unable to organise a piss-up in a brewery, he's now capable of seeing through Brexit. And the logic for your upgrade? Brexit was a democratic process. Unlike the quote you posted from Aaaron Banks recently, you couldn't make it up! ;)

The country - albeit not you or your chum BoJo - are quite concerned about his remarks. Just a recap on what he said
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/poli...-a3686471.html

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The Country ? Why you asked everyone in Britain have you ? :rolleyes:

What quote from Aaron Banks?

Wtf have you been smoking, as I have not quoted him, ever on this forum?

And no I have not changed my tune on JC at all, Labour, as in the party, not the leader, have a mandate to deliver brexit, or did you forget their manifesto ?

They are not going to suddenly cancel it just because you don't like the result, so try not to get ahead of yourself. :rolleyes:

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Sorry, my bad. :dunce: It wasn't Crooked Aaron that you quoted but Daniel Hannan when you took his words as being quotes from Remainers.

I'm not saying that if Labour won they would cancel Brexit, just wonder if you now think they will have the ability to deliver it. Will they now be able to deliver on their other promises too or just the ones you like?

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No Andrew, the point I’m trying portray, which you’re completely missing is that while you wish for the end of the current Tory Gov, whether it be a Labour one or not, either way, it’s not the end of Brexit.

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Correct. The only difference will be the bill we have to pay, since Labour seem quite happy to pay whatever the EU ask for.

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Yes. It's a bit rich certain people claiming HMG's negotiating strategy is pathetic when their favoured alternative is Labour who's strategy has been to tell the EU they want a deal at any price. :spin:

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labour have always been good at spending other peoples money and when it's gone the conservatives have to balance the books .

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Mebbe we should just tell the EU to go screw themselves . . what they gonna do, kick us out?

:rofl::rofl:

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Yes they are excellent at that it's true. Every Labour manifesto is littered with promises of more spending as we saw last time out. Nationalisation, paying off student debts etc. etc. It'd be funny if it wasn't so pathetically cynical.

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:D