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1andrew1 20-05-2017 00:04
Re: June 8th General Election
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35899585)
I don't want a terrorist sympathiser for PM that's for sure would get this with Corbyn, but it's not just this that bothers me, it's a package of no hopers that follow him, like his racist, White hating former lover, Abbott who thinks cops earn £30 per year, no sorry make that £8,000, oops sorry wrong again...ah sod it. :rolleyes:
How can the mathematically-challenged Abbott hate white people if she was JC's former lover. Last time I checked he was, um, white? :confused:

Mick 20-05-2017 00:19
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35899587)
How can the mathematically-challenged Abbott hate white people if she was JC's former lover. Last time I checked he was, um, white? :confused:
Simples: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-16423278.

1andrew1 20-05-2017 00:34
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35899588)
Thanks.

Mr K 20-05-2017 10:10
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The publication of key financial performance data from the NHS in England will be delayed until after the election, the BBC understands. Regulator NHS Improvement had wanted to publish data on the scale of hospital deficits but was advised against it by the government.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-39976701

Why on earth would they want to delay publication of figures on NHS deficits until after the election? It's beyond me. :shrug:

denphone 20-05-2017 10:15
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35899597)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-39976701

Why on earth would they want to delay publication of figures on NHS deficits until after the election? It's beyond me. :shrug:
Not standing up for the government Mr K but there are purdah rules.

Mr K 20-05-2017 10:20
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Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35899598)
Not standing up for the government Mr K but there are purdah rules.
Mmmm doesn't stop them giving 'good' news. Purdah seems to be being used as an excuse to 'bury bad news'.

They tried to do this with the diesel car announcement too. Thanks to the courts it was overturned, however it meant the Govt. had water down the clean air plan to make it meaningless.

Osem 20-05-2017 10:47
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I see that Labour and defence don't add up either - here's the white van Baroness saying one thing and the Shadow Defence Secretary saying another:

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Shadow foreign secretary Emily Thornberry was "wrong" to suggest Labour might drop its commitment to the UK's nuclear deterrent, the party's defence spokesman has said.
Nia Griffith told BBC Newsnight it was "already settled" that Trident would remain if the party came into power.
Ms Thornberry had suggested support for the missile system could not be guaranteed following a defence review.
Conservative Bob Neill said Labour would put the UK's "security at risk".
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-39984070

Looks like Abbott's understanding of party 'unity' is about as sound as her grasp of basic maths. I wouldn't trust a party led by a someone who's been a member of CND since 1966 and served as vice chairman and vice president with our nuclear deterrent anyway because if he gets in power all bets are off.

broadbandking 20-05-2017 14:30
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I am seriously considering not voting this year because all the parties are bollocks esp May as she wants to bring back fox hunting.

pip08456 20-05-2017 15:10
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Quote:
Originally Posted by broadbandking (Post 35899648)
I am seriously considering not voting this year because all the parties are bollocks esp May as she wants to bring back fox hunting.
The fact that May is going to allow a free vote on fox hunting does not automatically mean she wants it to be brought back.

She is merely encompassing the request of many of both the conservative party and the countryside alliance by allowing a free vote.

The result could still be NO.

Mr K 20-05-2017 15:58
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Quote:
Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 35899660)
The fact that May is going to allow a free vote on fox hunting does not automatically mean she wants it to be brought back.
Really?

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7726506.html
Quote:
As it happens, personally I have always been in favour of fox hunting,’
She seems quite keen !

1andrew1 20-05-2017 16:03
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Quote:
Originally Posted by broadbandking (Post 35899648)
I am seriously considering not voting this year because all the parties are bollocks esp May as she wants to bring back fox hunting.
If you disagree with a vote on fox-hunting and think it's an important issue then you should vote for a party that doesn't have it in its manifesto. Don't mistake not voting in the election as a vote for the status quo.

Maggy 20-05-2017 16:45
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35899668)
If you disagree with a vote on fox-hunting and think it's an important issue then you should vote for a party that doesn't have it in its manifesto. Don't mistake not voting in the election as a vote for the status quo.
It's his right to abstain but if you don't participate then you have remember you gave away your chance to affect any change and if laws are passed that you disagree with, you have only yourself to blame.

I look at it this way if I don't vote than I have no right to complain about the results and what the government of the day do that I strongly disagree with.

Ken W 20-05-2017 19:55
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 35899672)
It's his right to abstain but if you don't participate then you have remember you gave away your chance to affect any change and if laws are passed that you disagree with, you have only yourself to blame.

I look at it this way if I don't vote than I have no right to complain about the results and what the government of the day do that I strongly disagree with.

I agree.

Ramrod 20-05-2017 20:33
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Gary L (Post 35899584)
A vote for Theresa May is a vote to bring Margaret Thatcher back in the form of Theresa.

do you really want that?
May is a little to the left of Thatcher. But I'm still voting for her.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by broadbandking (Post 35899648)
as she wants to bring back fox hunting.
That's your biggest issue? My god! :(

pip08456 20-05-2017 20:45
Re: June 8th General Election
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 35899672)
It's his right to abstain but if you don't participate then you have remember you gave away your chance to affect any change and if laws are passed that you disagree with, you have only yourself to blame.

I look at it this way if I don't vote than I have no right to complain about the results and what the government of the day do that I strongly disagree with.
I agree entirely, that's the reason I'll be voting in a general election for the first time (at 61).

For once there is a politician who I feel I can vote for and do the right thing for myself and this country.

Theresa May.

1andrew1 20-05-2017 20:46
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Ramrod (Post 35899684)
May is a little to the left of Thatcher. But I'm still voting for her.
May is an old-school interventionist whereas Thatcher is a free trade non-interventionist.
I'd say Theresa May is on a par with New Labour and a lot to the left of Thatcher!

Damien 20-05-2017 21:27
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Left/right doesn't seem quite as easy to measure now. You have left-wingers advocating for open markets and right wingers who want price controls.

1andrew1 20-05-2017 21:42
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35899690)
Left/right doesn't seem quite as easy to measure now. You have left-wingers advocating for open markets and right wingers who want price controls.
Yes. This was most clearly seen with Theresa May's adoption of the former Labour policy of price controls on energy companies though the current labour party has moved leftwards itself.
As others have said, the divide now may be more free trade v protectionism than left v right. Maybe leaving the EU won't prevent this crack in the Conservative Party from opening.

Mr K 20-05-2017 21:47
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 35899672)
It's his right to abstain but if you don't participate then you have remember you gave away your chance to affect any change and if laws are passed that you disagree with, you have only yourself to blame.

I look at it this way if I don't vote than I have no right to complain about the results and what the government of the day do that I strongly disagree with.
Most people abstaining isn't a statement, it's because they can't be bothered to move their arse off their sofa. They'll then spend the next 5 years moaning...
(In the EU referendum Leave only got 17 million out of the 46 million electorate, ignoring those not registered to vote, apathy rules)

Making voting compulsory with an abstention box on the voting form if you don't think any of them are worth your vote. It would give people some exercise/ fresh air if nothing else. Abstention might win the election though !

Mick 20-05-2017 22:16
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35899695)
Most people abstaining isn't a statement, it's because they can't be bothered to move their arse off their sofa. They'll then spend the next 5 years moaning...
(In the EU referendum Leave only got 17 million out of the 46 million electorate, ignoring those not registered to vote, apathy rules)

Making voting compulsory with an abstention box on the voting form if you don't think any of them are worth your vote. It would give people some exercise/ fresh air if nothing else. Abstention might win the election though !
Only 17 Million? I like how you diss the biggest democratic outcome in terms of vote count seen since about 1992.

This actually beat the 1975 voter tally to join the European Economic Community, as it was known as then.

Last year, over 33 Million people voted in the EU Ref. Some 72% Turnout. In 1975, it was only 62% at just under 26 Million total votes. I guess Apathy ruled here too, and had more people voted back in 1975, we could have avoided joining that pile of garbage. :rolleyes:

Osem 20-05-2017 22:35
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35899699)
Only 17 Million? I like how you diss the biggest democratic outcome in terms of vote count seen since about 1992.

This actually beat the 1975 voter tally to join the European Economic Community, as it was known as then.

Last year, over 33 Million people voted in the EU Ref. Some 72% Turnout. In 1975, it was only 62% at just under 26 Million total votes. I guess Apathy ruled here too, and had more people voted back in 1975, we could have avoided joining that pile of garbage. :rolleyes:
Yeah but everyone knew what they were voting for when we joined but not when we decided to leave. :rolleyes:

Mick 20-05-2017 22:52
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35899703)
Yeah but everyone knew what they were voting for when we joined but not when we decided to leave. :rolleyes:
Yep seems so with some of the liberal attitudes on here. ;)

Mr K 20-05-2017 22:59
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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35899707)
Yep seems so with some of the liberal attitudes on here. ;)
Yes there's far too many Liberal Democrats on here, I'm sick to death of them , they're pure evil :D

RizzyKing 20-05-2017 23:40
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If everyone had voted MrK perhaps leaves majority would have been bigger i know a few who didn't vote because they didn't think leave had a chance of winning but you'd still be complaining if leaves majority had been 10,000,000 so does it really matter. Personally this election isn't about who is going to win it's about how large a victory it will be and whether it will be labour or the lib dems as the second biggest party.

Osem 20-05-2017 23:51
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Given all the dire warnings and pressure from HMG, IMHO it was remarkable that so many people voted to leave. Good job too and it appears most remainers agree that we need to get on with it now.

https://order-order.com/2017/02/17/6...nt-get-brexit/

Maybe Bliar was the Brexit campaign's secret weapon... :D

1andrew1 20-05-2017 23:55
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Quote:
Originally Posted by RizzyKing (Post 35899718)
If everyone had voted MrK perhaps leaves majority would have been bigger i know a few who didn't vote because they didn't think leave had a chance of winning but you'd still be complaining if leaves majority had been 10,000,000 so does it really matter. Personally this election isn't about who is going to win it's about how large a victory it will be and whether it will be labour or the lib dems as the second biggest party.
I think it's a given that New Labour led by Theresa May will win, followed by Old Labour misled by Jeremy Corbyn in second place.
The interesting point will be that as some of Theresa May's recently-announced policies will not appeal to pensioners (eg means-testing the winter fuel allowance, not guaranteeing the triple lock) her lead over Corbyn may narrow as the electorate start to understand her manifesto.

Mr K 20-05-2017 23:59
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35899721)
I think it's a given that New Labour led by Theresa May will win, followed by Old Labour misled by Jeremy Corbyn in second place.
The interesting point will be that as some of Theresa May's recently-announced policies will not appeal to pensioners (eg means-testing the winter fuel allowance, not guaranteeing the triple lock) her lead over Corbyn may narrow as the electorate start to understand her manifesto.
It is narrowing, don't think pensioners liked her manifesto...
http://ukpollingreport.co.uk

1andrew1 21-05-2017 00:46
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35899722)
It is narrowing, don't think pensioners liked her manifesto...
http://ukpollingreport.co.uk
Interesting, just a difference of 9% between the two, and could narrow further as the implications of the Conservative manifesto become more publicised. From that website:
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YouGov’s weekly poll for the Sunday Times has topline voting intention figures of CON 44%(-1), LAB 35%(+3), LDEM 9%(+1), UKIP 3%(-3). Changes are from the YouGov/Times polls in the week. The fieldwork was, as usual, conducted on Thursday afternoon and Friday, so was wholly after the Conservative manifesto launch (though, of course, before much of the media reporting and discussion of it)
As a footnote, apparently the fox-hunting vote was put in the manifesto to placate the farmers. There will be substantial reform of agricultural subsidies when we leave the EU as it cannot simply be ported across into UK legislation which won't appeal to many farmers. What is termed "flanking legilation" is required. This is one reason why Theresa May called the election as a large majority will be useful in getting controversial legislation through.

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This is rather scary though!
https://twitter.com/SarahMPol/status...858945/photo/1

denphone 21-05-2017 05:34
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35899707)
Yep seems so with some of the liberal attitudes on here. ;)
Or rabid right wingers.;)

By the way l am no liberal.:)

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35899722)
It is narrowing, don't think pensioners liked her manifesto...
http://ukpollingreport.co.uk
Parties underestimate the grey vote at their peril.

Ken W 21-05-2017 07:41
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Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35899731)
Or rabid right wingers.;)

By the way l am no liberal.:)

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Parties underestimate the grey vote at their peril.


That is going to be the down full of the Tory party.

passingbat 21-05-2017 08:17
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Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35899731)
Or rabid right wingers.;)

.

I see very few, if any on here.


People who are firm Brexiteers, have no option but to vote Conservative, even though they may, or may not, approve of some of their other policies.


Traditional Labour has been hijacked by the left wing and we would end up with Brexit so soft, it would be almost liquid.


With the Liberals we would end up still in the EU! UKIP could not form a majority government, and my gut feeling, (with no evidence) wonders whether their are racist tendencies in some members of the party; Nigel Farage not being included in that.

denphone 21-05-2017 08:43
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Quote:
Originally Posted by passingbat (Post 35899735)
I see very few, if any on here.


People who are firm Brexiteers, have no option but to vote Conservative, even though they may, or may not, approve of some of their other policies.


Traditional Labour has been hijacked by the left wing and we would end up with Brexit so soft, it would be almost liquid.


With the Liberals we would end up still in the EU! UKIP could not form a majority government, and my gut feeling, (with no evidence) wonders whether their are racist tendencies in some members of the party; Nigel Farage not being included in that.
If you look at my post PB the key is in the ;) as Brexit is happening end of .... but that does not mean one should give whoever is the government of the day a blank cheque to do whatever they want willy nilly as if to be perfectly frank if they peel back the glossy veneer one often sees none of them are frankly up to much cop as for most its about picking one from a very bad bunch of leaders.

papa smurf 21-05-2017 09:15
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Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35899736)
If you look at my post PB the key is in the ;) as Brexit is happening end of .... but that does not mean one should give whoever is the government of the day a blank cheque to do whatever they want willy nilly as if to be perfectly frank if they peel back the glossy veneer one often sees none of them are frankly much cop as for most its about picking one from a very bad bunch of leaders.
we have

1 the tally ho fox hunting pension bashing Tory's

2 lay down your arms and disappear into the 70's with £ billions of new debt labour

3 the gay hating anti abortion weed growing not so liberal undemocrats

4 the we want petrol at £20 per gallon and all heavy goods transferred to bicycle's tree hugging loony green party

Mick 21-05-2017 11:18
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Corbyn asked several times on Sky News Sophie Ridge on Sunday, do you Condemn the IRA?

Every time he was asked he skirted around the question, did not say yes. Said 'Look, bombing is wrong, of course bombing is wrong.'

Sophie Ridge interrupts and says, "You condemn the bombing, but can you condemn the IRA without equating it to... " Corbyn interrupts Sophie, he says..."No, I think what you have to say is, all bombing has to be condemned."



Total Terrorist Sympathiser. :afire:

dazed&confused 21-05-2017 13:05
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Can we vote for Ruth Davidson ?
Get her back from Scotland to lead the Conservatives.

Mick 21-05-2017 13:55
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I actually like Ruth and I think she is the reason Conservatives are winning again in Scotland when it wasn't even thought possible only a year or so ago.

Damien 21-05-2017 14:22
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I like Ruth Davidson as well. Wish she was in Westminster but then the SNP have done so well in part because all the good politicians from other parties head south.

Mick 21-05-2017 14:51
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35899754)
I like Ruth Davidson as well. Wish she was in Westminster but then the SNP have done so well in part because all the good politicians from other parties head south.
This put a smile on my face when I saw this a while ago...

Ruth Davidson vs. Nicola Sturgeon.



:bsmack: Take that Sturgeon.... :D

Ramrod 21-05-2017 19:35
Re: June 8th General Election
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35899687)
May is an old-school interventionist whereas Thatcher is a free trade non-interventionist.
I'd say Theresa May is on a par with New Labour and a lot to the left of Thatcher!
I was being sarcastic. Obviously much too subtly :D

Arthurgray50@blu 21-05-2017 21:14
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We have two ways of looking at this election.
1) By opionon polls Labour is gaining in votes. And it could be that people will start to think of voting for Labour.

The Momentum Party, will have a big say in this election. With votes swinging for Corbyn.

2) The way things are going Miss May is going to sting everyone, and be like Thatcher. She will cut everything going to save money.

All this talk about putting money into Social Care and NHS. I doubt will happen.

At the moment money is pouring into the Tories bank from well off rich people. Whereas not for Labour.

I have still not decided who l will vote for - even though l have voted Labour all my life. But this time, l am not sure

Ramrod 21-05-2017 21:27
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Stupid is as stupid votes
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He found that there was a positive association between mean IQ and voting Conservative, and a negative association between mean IQ and voting Labour. So the higher the mean, the more likely the constituency was to return a Tory MP in 2015, and the lower the mean, the more likely it was to return a Labour one. Carl also found that the highest association between mean IQ and vote share was with the Lib Dems. All of which is consistent with the findings of Deary and his team. However, Carl also looked at the link between mean IQ and voting Ukip, and while that association was also negative, it wasn’t as negative as it was in Labour’s case. In other words, low intelligence was more strongly correlated with voting Labour in 2015 than it was with voting Ukip. Of the four main parties, Labour definitely attracted the least intelligent voters that year.
:D

Gary L 21-05-2017 21:32
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Peope are seeing the return of Thatcher if they vote Thatcher back in. that's why they're thinking of not voting for Thatcher.

She has asked for the publics backing to do all the bad things. and even through in a teaser of instead of the kids milk, it'll be the kids food.

or there is a chance that she's trying to throw the election.

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2017/05/15.jpg

TheDaddy 21-05-2017 21:38
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Ramrod (Post 35899795)
Careful now, we've both seen members mobbed on here for daring to post a link about educational standards and voting preference.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Gary L (Post 35899797)
Peope are seeing the return of Thatcher if they vote Thatcher back in. that's why they're thinking of not voting for Thatcher.

She has asked for the publics backing to do all the bad things. and even through in a teaser of instead of the kids milk, it'll be the kids food.

or there is a chance that she's trying to throw the election.

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2017/05/15.jpg
Thatcher didn't take the milk, she opposed it's removal, she did a lot of awful things but that weren't one of them

1andrew1 21-05-2017 21:43
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Quote:
Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 35899798)
Careful now, we've both seen members mobbed on here for daring to post a link about educational standards and voting preference.
Walking on eggshells comes to mind! :)

Osem 21-05-2017 21:44
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Ramrod (Post 35899795)
From what I've seen and heard recently, low intelligence is prevalent within the Shadow Cabinet too. :D

Gary L 21-05-2017 22:19
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Quote:
Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 35899798)
Thatcher didn't take the milk, she opposed it's removal, she did a lot of awful things but that weren't one of them
Is this the nursery vs the juniors trick question?

The last thing this country and it's "hard working people" needs is another Thatcher reign.

the country is on the edge of breaking with anger and uncertainty as it is.
if a Thatcher government gets back in again we will all pay the price. and all suffer the doom.

you have been warned.

pip08456 21-05-2017 22:35
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Gary L (Post 35899810)
Is this the nursery vs the juniors trick question?

The last thing this country and it's "hard working people" needs is another Thatcher reign.

the country is on the edge of breaking with anger and uncertainty as it is.
if a Thatcher government gets back in again we will all pay the price. and all suffer the doom.

you have been warned.
You should know what most of think about "Doom and Gloom" scare stories!

Gary L 21-05-2017 22:37
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Quote:
Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 35899811)
You should know what most of think about "Doom and Gloom" scare stories!
Yeh. George and Dave. we remember them.

a bloody joke the pair of them. and where did it get them?

Mick 21-05-2017 22:39
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Gary L (Post 35899810)
Is this the nursery vs the juniors trick question?

The last thing this country and it's "hard working people" needs is another Thatcher reign.

the country is on the edge of breaking with anger and uncertainty as it is.
if a Thatcher government gets back in again we will all pay the price. and all suffer the doom.

you have been warned.
So let me guess.... there is absolutely nothing wrong voting for a party with a Terrorist Sympathiser as leader and there is nothing at all wrong with voting for IRAbour ?

Gary L 21-05-2017 22:49
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35899813)
So let me guess.... there is absolutely nothing wrong voting for a party with a Terrorist Sympathiser as leader and there is nothing at all wrong with voting for IRAbour ?
LOL @ IRAbour.

here's mine.

ALLFORTHERICH&TAKEFOODFROMTHEKIDSvative

other parties are available.

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Look at it realistically.

how much can you afford to lose in income a year to the Conservatives?
(taking into account that you may hit the roof when petrol goes up 1p a litre equating to a few pence a week)
they've said they've done all they can to welfare for the moment. so the money will have to come from the rest of us. the party just wants your money. how much can you afford to lose. and how much do you think they'll want to steal?

all in it together. means it's your turn now too.
don't fool yourself thinking it's all about everybody else and not you.

1andrew1 21-05-2017 22:49
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Best election slogan I've seen to date is from some Labour supporters. "Make June the end of May". :D

Gary L 21-05-2017 22:57
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35899816)
Best election slogan I've seen to date is from some Labour supporters. "Make June the end of May". :D
And they call them thick?

Who's June?

OLD BOY 22-05-2017 08:04
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Gary L (Post 35899814)
LOL @ IRAbour.

here's mine.

ALLFORTHERICH&TAKEFOODFROMTHEKIDSvative

other parties are available.

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Look at it realistically.

how much can you afford to lose in income a year to the Conservatives?
(taking into account that you may hit the roof when petrol goes up 1p a litre equating to a few pence a week)
they've said they've done all they can to welfare for the moment. so the money will have to come from the rest of us. the party just wants your money. how much can you afford to lose. and how much do you think they'll want to steal?

all in it together. means it's your turn now too.
don't fool yourself thinking it's all about everybody else and not you.
Don't be daft, Gary. Which party was it that took the lowest income earners out of tax altogether? Most people have actually figured out that the Conservatives are the low taxation party. Absolutely no other party even gets close to their record.

Labour want more of your money so they can spend, spend, spend. I don't know how the poor can seriously believe that a Labour Government post 2010 can be good for them, given we are trillions of quid in debt. It would take them a very short time to render our country a basket case.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Ramrod (Post 35899795)
This should not surprise anyone. Intelligent people tend to be successful and vote Conservative because they represent their interests better than any other political party and represent a stable economy.

However, even traditional Labour supporters are now having second thoughts about voting Labour and may well change the habit of a lifetime. Those people are certainly not daft.

Osem 22-05-2017 08:09
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Nope there's nothing wrong with voting for a guy who will pay £billions to keep Trident but has told everyone he won't use it.... :nutter:

Hugh 22-05-2017 08:26
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Gary L (Post 35899812)
Yeh. George and Dave. we remember them.

a bloody joke the pair of them. and where did it get them?
It got them the 2015 General Election, remember? :D

Mick 22-05-2017 10:28
Re: June 8th General Election
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35899829)
Nope there's nothing wrong with voting for a guy who will pay £billions to keep Trident but has told everyone he won't use it.... :nutter:
IRAbour have serious division issues in their own shadow cabinet, Emily Thornberry, said in a LBC interview that Trident could still be placed under review and scrapped. This got a slap down by Shadow defence Secretary, Nia Griffiths, who was reported to have said, Emily Thornberry is wrong and with all due respect is not the Shadow defence secretary.

Meanwhile, it has come to the surface that Diane Abbott, supported the IRA in terms of them defeating Britain.

Quote:
As part our ongoing investigation into the Labour leadership’s links with the IRA, The Sunday Times found that Diane Abbott explicitly backed victory for the IRA in an interview with a pro-republican journal.

Abbott, who will become home secretary if Labour wins the election, said in the 1984 interview that Ireland “is our struggle — every defeat of the British state is a victory for all of us. A defeat in Northern Ireland would be a defeat indeed.” She said she did not regard herself as British.
https://andrewgilliganblog.wordpress...-the-document/

She really is a vile pig and I cannot believe this disgrace for an MP, is still an MP. If IRAbour win, big if, but if they do, this vile pig will be Home Secretary. She makes my blood boil that racist bitch. :afire:

Gary L 22-05-2017 10:52
Re: June 8th General Election
 
That's a bit strong for a family forum, Mick.

Another letter from Theresa again. you can tell she's really worried too can't you.

Ken W 22-05-2017 10:55
Re: June 8th General Election
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gary L (Post 35899839)
That's a bit strong for a family forum, Mick.

Another letter from Theresa again. you can tell she's really worried too can't you.

I have voted for the Tory party for over 50 years.


She will not be getting my vote.

Mr K 22-05-2017 11:30
Re: June 8th General Election
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35899836)
She really is a vile pig and I cannot believe this disgrace for an MP, is still an MP. If IRAbour win, big if, but if they do, this vile pig will be Home Secretary. She makes my blood boil that racist bitch. :afire:
Chillax Mick mate, all this vile and hate can't be doing your BP much good. Labour can't win anyway so it's not an issue is it? ;)

---------- Post added at 11:30 ---------- Previous post was at 11:27 ----------

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ken W (Post 35899841)
I have voted for the Tory party for over 50 years.


She will not be getting my vote.
Think you've just swung the opinions polls a bit more Ken ! I predict a U-turn over social care in the next week, just like there was over national insurance. Theresa isn't that strong and stable after all. At least the manifesto will pulp well....

denphone 22-05-2017 11:40
Re: June 8th General Election
 
Not for U-turning it seems.;)

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...-politics-live

Gary L 22-05-2017 11:40
Re: June 8th General Election
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ken W (Post 35899841)
I have voted for the Tory party for over 50 years.


She will not be getting my vote.
Welcome aboard comrade.


People see too much of Thatcher in her coming out.

papa smurf 22-05-2017 11:41
Re: June 8th General Election
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35899844)
Chillax Mick mate, all this vile and hate can't be doing your BP much good. Labour can't win anyway so it's not an issue is it? ;)

---------- Post added at 11:30 ---------- Previous post was at 11:27 ----------



Think you've just swung the opinions polls a bit more Ken ! I predict a U-turn over social care in the next week, just like there was over national insurance. Theresa isn't that strong and stable after all. At least the manifesto will pulp well....
labour has just upped it's game

Labour says it would bring forward its pledge to scrap tuition fees to include students starting university in England this autumn if it wins the election.
The party also says students part-way through their courses would not have to pay for the remaining years.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2017-39994886

Gary L 22-05-2017 11:56
Re: June 8th General Election
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35899844)
Chillax Mick mate, all this vile and hate can't be doing your BP much good. Labour can't win anyway so it's not an issue is it? ;)


Remember Trump? and the EU?

Quote:
Think you've just swung the opinions polls a bit more Ken ! I predict a U-turn over social care in the next week, just like there was over national insurance. Theresa isn't that strong and stable after all. At least the manifesto will pulp well....

That's a crafty tactic they do all the time. think of the worst and then water it down considerably or do a complete U-turn on it.


Works everytime.

See. Even George knows what they're doing.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35899848)
labour has just upped it's game
Theresa will be sending me a 3rd begging letter then.

Mr K 22-05-2017 12:09
Re: June 8th General Election
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35899846)
That's today Den, tomorrow, and another opinion poll is a different day ;)

peanut 22-05-2017 12:11
Re: June 8th General Election
 
Strong and stable, yeah right...

Osem 22-05-2017 12:32
Re: June 8th General Election
 
As opposed to weak and unstable on the opposition benches. Just take a look at Corbyn - I'd say that still stands albeit in relative terms. ;)

The cap is a good idea and it's either a change of policy in response to widespread anger or it was a cock up in the first place. Either way if it yields a better, more equitable, solution to a very difficult problem it's welcome IMHO.

denphone 22-05-2017 12:58
Re: June 8th General Election
 
More thought should have be given to it in the first place as one hears that some cabinet ministers were not consulted at all before it was announced publicly.

Mr K 22-05-2017 13:14
Re: June 8th General Election
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35899844)
I predict a U-turn over social care in the next week, just like there was over national insurance. Theresa isn't that strong and stable after all. At least the manifesto will pulp well....
Wow, it didn't even take another week, the lady is u-turning already !

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2017-40001221
Quote:
Theresa May has said proposed changes to social care funding in England will now include an "absolute limit" on the money people will have to pay.

This represents a complete U-turn. The cap was ditched last week with the Tories briefing they wanted to set a "floor" not a cap - hence guaranteeing everyone in England will be able to keep £100,000.
You can call me Mystic Meg ;) You can call Theresa weak and unstable...

Mick 22-05-2017 13:20
Re: June 8th General Election
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35899855)
As opposed to weak and unstable on the opposition benches. Just take a look at Corbyn - I'd say that still stands albeit in relative terms. ;)
It most definitely still stands. Who wants idiotic Terrorist sympathisers, communists and unpatriotic imbeciles running the show?

This is guaranteed under the IRAbour Party.

Pierre 22-05-2017 13:46
Re: June 8th General Election
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gary L (Post 35899814)
ALLFORTHERICH&TAKEFOODFROMTHEKIDSvative
So you think it's fine for Rich evil city bankers kids, you know, little Thomas Taylor-Thomas.

to be given a free school dinner paid for by the taxes of someone on minimum wages, when they're quite capable of buying their own cous-cous??????

---------- Post added at 13:46 ---------- Previous post was at 13:44 ----------

Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35899848)
labour has just upped it's game

Labour says it would bring forward its pledge to scrap tuition fees to include students starting university in England this autumn if it wins the election.
The party also says students part-way through their courses would not have to pay for the remaining years.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2017-39994886
the magic money tree will provide for all.

pip08456 22-05-2017 15:20
Re: June 8th General Election
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35899865)
It most definitely still stands. Who wants idiotic Terrorist sympathisers, communists and unpatriotic imbeciles running the show?

This is guaranteed under the IRAbour Party.
Perhaps comrade Gary L?:D:D:D

Quote:
Originally Posted by Gary L (Post 35899847)
Welcome aboard comrade.

OLD BOY 22-05-2017 17:32
Re: June 8th General Election
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35899848)
labour has just upped it's game

Labour says it would bring forward its pledge to scrap tuition fees to include students starting university in England this autumn if it wins the election.
The party also says students part-way through their courses would not have to pay for the remaining years.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2017-39994886
That increase in corporation tax is certainly going a long way! :rofl:

Mr K 22-05-2017 18:04
Re: June 8th General Election
 
Labour back in the lead in Wales; there's lovely ;)
http://www.itv.com/news/wales/2017-0...lead-in-wales/

Labour: 44% (+9)
Conservatives: 34% (-7)
Plaid Cymru: 9% (-2)
Liberal Democrats: 6% (-1)
UKIP: 5% (+1)
Others: 3% (+1)

Gary L 22-05-2017 18:10
Re: June 8th General Election
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35899899)
Labour back in the lead in Wales; there's lovely ;)
http://www.itv.com/news/wales/2017-0...lead-in-wales/

Labour: 44% (+9)
Conservatives: 34% (-7)
Plaid Cymru: 9% (-2)
Liberal Democrats: 6% (-1)
UKIP: 5% (+1)
Others: 3% (+1)
She's blown it!
oh well.

the damage is done.

---------- Post added at 18:10 ---------- Previous post was at 18:10 ----------

Quote:
Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 35899875)
Perhaps comrade Gary L?:D:D:D
Even the dog laughed.

Mick 22-05-2017 18:24
Re: June 8th General Election
 
Still relying on polls when in previous elections and even recent ones - the actual result has blown these polls apart.

Damien 22-05-2017 18:38
Re: June 8th General Election
 
Tories will still win but if May doesn't dramatically increase the majority it's going to look bad. Alternatively it might keep Corbyn in the job....

ianch99 22-05-2017 18:56
Re: June 8th General Election
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35899910)
Tories will still win but if May doesn't dramatically increase the majority it's going to look bad. Alternatively it might keep Corbyn in the job....
What is interesting is the progress in the polls given that Corbyn has no charisma, no leadership qualities and that the majority of the media rubbishes him and his policies on a daily basis.

.. oh and not forgetting the childish name calling :)

---------- Post added at 18:56 ---------- Previous post was at 18:51 ----------

I think May is making a mistake in the presidential tone of her campaign:

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2017/05/13.jpg

People traditionally vote more for the party than the leader so driving around in a bus with just her name and signature on is a bit creepy ..

papa smurf 22-05-2017 19:00
Re: June 8th General Election
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 35899911)
What is interesting is the progress in the polls given that Corbyn has no charisma, no leadership qualities and that the majority of the media rubbishes him and his policies on a daily basis.

.. oh and not forgetting the childish name calling :)

---------- Post added at 18:56 ---------- Previous post was at 18:51 ----------

I think May is making a mistake in the presidential tone of her campaign:

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2017/05/13.jpg

People traditionally vote more for the party than the leader so driving around in a bus with just her name and signature on is a bit creepy ..
is the £3.50 for the NHS on the other side

ianch99 22-05-2017 19:04
Re: June 8th General Election
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35899915)
is the £3.50 for the NHS on the other side
Nope .. all is says is "Suckers!!" :)

---------- Post added at 19:04 ---------- Previous post was at 19:02 ----------

Quote:
Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 35899916)
Nope .. all is says is "Suckers!!" :)
That's why when she turns up in the bus she always has to make left turns. If she made a turn to the right you would see the real TM ... ;)

dilli-theclaw 22-05-2017 19:09
Re: June 8th General Election
 
I've seen nothing from anyone to help me make my mind up...... I doubt this will get better over the next few weeks :(

Osem 22-05-2017 19:25
Re: June 8th General Election
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35899910)
Tories will still win but if May doesn't dramatically increase the majority it's going to look bad. Alternatively it might keep Corbyn in the job....
I'm sure the Tories would love that. Given all Labour's numerous recent gaffes and infighting, even May's social care cock up isn't going to change the result.

Mick 22-05-2017 19:43
Re: June 8th General Election
 
Saw this and I thought I would leave it here.... :rofl:

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2017/05/12.jpg

Osem 22-05-2017 19:50
Re: June 8th General Election
 
Is that their magic money tree on the bottom left? :D

Mick 22-05-2017 20:26
Re: June 8th General Election
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35899927)
Is that their magic money tree on the bottom left? :D
It looks like it. :)

Gary L 22-05-2017 20:42
Re: June 8th General Election
 
There's nothing there Mick.

unless it's Theresa in a snow blizzard.

Mr K 22-05-2017 20:46
Re: June 8th General Election
 
Seems Mother Theresa makes a habit of u-turning

Quote:
Theresa May’s 9 U-turns. The prime minister is making a habit of retreating from policies
1. Brexit: Mrs May was not a vocal Remainer but she was a firm one, saying in April 2016 that “on balance, and given the tests I set earlier in my speech, I believe the case to remain a member of the European Union is strong”.

2. A British bill of rights: During the referendum campaign, Mrs May advocated leaving the European Convention of Human Rights, whose rules on the use of evidence gained by torture had frustrated her as home secretary. The convention, she said, “can bind the hands of parliament, adds nothing to our prosperity, [and] makes us less secure”. She called instead for a British bill of rights.

3. Hinkley Point: Almost the prime minister’s first significant decision was to review plans to allow an £18bn new nuclear reactor backed by French and Chinese companies. That reflected concerns about China’s influence over Britain’s power supply and caused a rift in relations with Beijing. But in September, Downing Street said it had completed the review and the go-ahead, with only minor restrictions on France’s EDF selling its stake during construction.

4. Workers on boards: In September, she promised to ensure “not just consumers [are] represented on company boards, but workers as well”. That was interpreted as meaning trade union representatives on boards, a prospect opposed by cabinet ministers including chancellor Philip Hammond.

5. National insurance: Mr Hammond’s budget in March announced that self-employed workers would pay higher national insurance contributions, breaching a promise in the 2015 Conservative manifesto not to increase the tax. The change would have raised an estimated £500m a year, but the headlines were terrible. Mrs May pulled the plug and a U-turn was announced a week later.

6. Early election: “There isn’t going to be one. It isn’t going to happen. There is not going to be a general election,” Mrs May’s spokesman said in March. A month later, with the Tory poll lead in double figures, she announced that she had “reluctantly” decided a vote was necessary to strengthen her hand before Brexit negotiations.

7. Energy price caps: Ed Miliband’s promise to freeze energy prices appeared to have been resurrected by Mrs May. “Ministers are poised to unveil a cap on energy prices,” reported the Daily Mail newspaper, days before the Conservative manifesto launch.

8. Social care: On Thursday, the Conservative manifesto was clear: rich people requiring care in their homes would be obliged to pay for it, unless they had less than £100,000 in assets including the family home. The move soon became labelled a “dementia tax”. On Sunday, Boris Johnson said he understood critics’ concerns. On Monday, Mrs May announced that care payments would be capped.

9. Foreign worker lists: There was consternation among business in October when Amber Rudd, home secretary, suggested that companies would have to publish figures on their number of foreign workers. The precise wording was that companies would have to “be clear about the proportion of their workforce which is international”. The UK Independence party branded the plans a “step too far”. The government later said no data would be made public.
https://www.ft.com/content/e021c208-...6-25f963e998b2 (warning it comes from a filthy left wing communist rag...)

(Brexit, again , next ? ;) )

denphone 22-05-2017 20:48
Re: June 8th General Election
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by dilli-theclaw (Post 35899919)
I've seen nothing from anyone to help me make my mind up...... I doubt this will get better over the next few weeks :(
Ones a serial liar and the other one is well l can't exactly say on this family forum.

Gary L 22-05-2017 20:50
Re: June 8th General Election
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35899936)
Seems Mother Theresa makes a habit of u-turning


https://www.ft.com/content/e021c208-...6-25f963e998b2 (warning it comes from a filthy left wing communist rag...)

(Brexit, again , next ? ;) )
My subscription to the Financial Times ran out last week.

papa smurf 22-05-2017 20:50
Re: June 8th General Election
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35899937)
Ones a serial liar and the other one is well l can't exactly say on this family forum.
farron and corbyn eh what a pair i think the word your struggling with is communist

Mr K 22-05-2017 20:53
Re: June 8th General Election
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35899937)
Ones a serial liar and the other one is well l can't exactly say on this family forum.
But enough of Cable forum members, what about the party leaders ?

Mick 22-05-2017 20:55
Re: June 8th General Election
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35899936)
Seems Mother Theresa makes a habit of u-turning


https://www.ft.com/content/e021c208-...6-25f963e998b2 (warning it comes from a filthy left wing communist rag...)

(Brexit, again , next ? ;) )
Yawn. :zzz:

I'd happily put up with any X amount of U-Turns, than a IRA supporting Mad old fool. A Racist, who cannot count and many other hopeless fools residing on the Shadow front benches.

denphone 22-05-2017 20:55
Re: June 8th General Election
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35899942)
But enough of Cable forum members, what about the party leaders ?
Read post 687...;)

Mr K 22-05-2017 21:01
Re: June 8th General Election
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by dilli-theclaw (Post 35899919)
I've seen nothing from anyone to help me make my mind up...... I doubt this will get better over the next few weeks :(
If you're reliant on the NHS, there's one party you shouldn't vote for. Political neutrality prevents me from stating who that is ;), so you might have to work it out for yourself. Whatever, make sure you do vote.

Damien 22-05-2017 21:26
Re: June 8th General Election
 
These interviews on the BBC/Sky are so much better than debates.

Osem 22-05-2017 21:36
Re: June 8th General Election
 
I agree. Looking forward to Corbyn's examination by Andrew Neil.

Damien 22-05-2017 21:42
Re: June 8th General Election
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35899962)
I agree. Looking forward to Corbyn's examination by Andrew Neil.

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/local/2017/05/4.gif

ianch99 22-05-2017 21:44
Re: June 8th General Election
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35899960)
These interviews on the BBC/Sky are so much better than debates.
May is squirming a little about Andrew Neil pressing her on her U-Turns. When she struggles, she falls back on the "strong", "stable" mantra ...

Hardly inspiring ..

Osem 22-05-2017 21:45
Re: June 8th General Election
 
:D

I'll be too busy either laughing (or being sick) to snack on popcorn. ;)

Mick 22-05-2017 21:50
Re: June 8th General Election
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35899962)
I agree. Looking forward to Corbyn's examination by Andrew Neil.
He is quick to call on May's temperament, but he is that careless, he forgets past transgressions of himself....

1andrew1 22-05-2017 21:52
Re: June 8th General Election
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 35899965)
May is squirming a little about Andrew Neil pressing her on her U-Turns. When she struggles, she falls back on the "strong", "stable" mantra ...

Hardly inspiring ..
Michael Crick from Channel 4 suggested the u-turn showed the prime minister “weak and wobbly”.


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