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RizzyKing 20-03-2017 00:20
Re: Brexit
 
Shocker the EU supporters saying it's fine for the EU not to do something they then condemn the UK government for, but because it's the rules it's ok for the EU what a joke. But using your logic as we are still a member of the EU we are doing nothing wrong either we're following the rules so perhaps this is one of those no blame situations which are such a pain for some people who have an axe to grind. Roll on the next two years and if the EU supporters are not happy with whatever agreement I'm sure the EU will welcome them with open arms as they emigrate from the terrible country the UK will become without the EU i won't hold my breath on that of course.

TheDaddy 20-03-2017 01:39
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by RizzyKing (Post 35890807)
Shocker the EU supporters saying it's fine for the EU not to do something they then condemn the UK government for, but because it's the rules it's ok for the EU what a joke. But using your logic as we are still a member of the EU we are doing nothing wrong either we're following the rules so perhaps this is one of those no blame situations which are such a pain for some people who have an axe to grind. Roll on the next two years and if the EU supporters are not happy with whatever agreement I'm sure the EU will welcome them with open arms as they emigrate from the terrible country the UK will become without the EU i won't hold my breath on that of course.
Shocker, brextremist not telling the truth

I don't think I criticised anyone, just offered my own personal view on it, for what little that's worth. I will be very critical if it comes to pass that we haven't been using this time wisely cozying up to individual nations during the pre triggering phase and have been solely relying on threatening Europe with the UK becoming a tax haven as a plan.

Oh and I've already got the option of a European passport so they couldn't stop me even if they wanted to, not that it'll come to that.

RizzyKing 20-03-2017 01:49
Re: Brexit
 
Where have i lied I've admitted often on here brexit is not going to be easy for a few years and I've also stated it will be hard brexit mainly because that's the only type of exit article 50 allows and you might not like it but the UK government is not at fault on this issue. We were ready to sort this out before negotiations were started to let those EU citizens living and working here to have a little more security and the EU said no, now all of a sudden the UK government is meant to make unilateral concessions on the issue with no gaurantee of a similar concession at any point by the EU.

TheDaddy 20-03-2017 02:33
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by RizzyKing (Post 35890814)
Where have i lied I've admitted often on here brexit is not going to be easy for a few years and I've also stated it will be hard brexit mainly because that's the only type of exit article 50 allows and you might not like it but the UK government is not at fault on this issue. We were ready to sort this out before negotiations were started to let those EU citizens living and working here to have a little more security and the EU said no, now all of a sudden the UK government is meant to make unilateral concessions on the issue with no gaurantee of a similar concession at any point by the EU.
Well you sorted fibbed a bit when you said I was being critical, I wasn't nor was I apportioning blame, I can see why no agreement was made for reasons previously stated, I do think we could've seized the initiative if we had made the concession because it would've cost us nothing and meant nothing if it had the aforementioned reciprocal caveat added. I believe it would've made our negotiating position stronger and taken some of the nastiness out of the talks which are going to be tough enough as it is. The government chose a different tact and I'm not attacking them for it, I'm hoping they're right and I'm wrong.

One thing that has just struck me is the importance we've placed on people who don't live here and don't contribute against another group that do live here and do contribute not least through their taxes, just a thought.

RizzyKing 20-03-2017 02:57
Re: Brexit
 
Your assuming it was wholly aimed at you as though you were the only one that commented and while i could have made it clearer it certainly wasn't dishonest nor did i deserve that tag but whatever. Fact is the UK wanted to sort this quickly and were prepared too but couldn't i don't see how that means they are in the wrong and i certainly don't think it was right for some to suggest we should do it anyway given it's a subject the EU wants as part of the full negotiations. Andrew's point that the EU is playing by the rules is a very thin copout and as i said if it's the rules then again the UK is doing nothing wrong as at this time we are still a member state and bound by the same rules.

TheDaddy 20-03-2017 03:28
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by RizzyKing (Post 35890816)
Your assuming it was wholly aimed at you as though you were the only one that commented and while i could have made it clearer it certainly wasn't dishonest nor did i deserve that tag but whatever. Fact is the UK wanted to sort this quickly and were prepared too but couldn't i don't see how that means they are in the wrong and i certainly don't think it was right for some to suggest we should do it anyway given it's a subject the EU wants as part of the full negotiations. Andrew's point that the EU is playing by the rules is a very thin copout and as i said if it's the rules then again the UK is doing nothing wrong as at this time we are still a member state and bound by the same rules.
Your right it was unfair to call you dishonest, however I'm not so sure it's a copout, I don't know for sure but I'd suggest the reason the EU want to play it straight down the line is because it plays into our hands if they don't, imo our best strategy is divide and conquer, to get these little countries self interest piqued, it's the sort of diplomacy we used to be famous for and kept an empire going for generations when others relied more on subjugation. It's been a long time since we conducted affairs like that, we've let the EU do if for us for decades, perhaps we're not up to that level anymore and perhaps Mrs May knows it. Why do you think the EU won't play ball?

RizzyKing 20-03-2017 04:08
Re: Brexit
 
I'm already certain that whatever deal may be reached will not be ratified by all existing EU member states and I'm also certain our government knows that as well and the EU negotiating team. First 3-6 months of negotiations will be mainly for the respective parties image, things will start getting nasty after the initial 3-6 months and both parties in the remaining 3-6 months will do their best to be seen to be trying to get an agreement that ultimately will fail and a complete hard brexit will be the outcome. On the day we actually leave the UK will announce a raft of trade agreements and trade free initiatives that will take a while to fully get up and running but will ultimately prove economically beneficial to the UK year on year for 5-10 years.

That's my belief of the process as things stand at the minute time will tell just got to wait and see.

TheDaddy 20-03-2017 04:36
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by RizzyKing (Post 35890818)
I'm already certain that whatever deal may be reached will not be ratified by all existing EU member states and I'm also certain our government knows that as well and the EU negotiating team. First 3-6 months of negotiations will be mainly for the respective parties image, things will start getting nasty after the initial 3-6 months and both parties in the remaining 3-6 months will do their best to be seen to be trying to get an agreement that ultimately will fail and a complete hard brexit will be the outcome. On the day we actually leave the UK will announce a raft of trade agreements and trade free initiatives that will take a while to fully get up and running but will ultimately prove economically beneficial to the UK year on year for 5-10 years.

That's my belief of the process as things stand at the minute time will tell just got to wait and see.
That's interesting, I've not thought so much of the big picture but of each tiny aspect of it as and when tyey come up, I don't think I can envisage what it'll look like in the end but if things carry on as they are we can forget about a deal and imho that might not be to bad, there's a lot of opportunity out there to be had, I just don't like this recurring theme of our little island becoming a tax haven, that will benefit no one except the few at the very top

RizzyKing 20-03-2017 04:42
Re: Brexit
 
I think the UK will only become a tax haven in that our levels of taxation will be lower then those in the EU, brexit was a vote against globalisation and the few benefitting at the expense of the many it would be political suicide for any party to start a rush to the bottom. I agree no deal will be better then the type of deal all members of the EU would ratify and that's how i see it going despite the unrest it will cause in a small section of society.

denphone 20-03-2017 05:48
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ramrod (Post 35890768)
To be fair. I'm despairing at the conservatives atm.....and I'm a paid up party member. :mis:
Still, could be worse......I could be a member of the labour party :D
To be honest they are all as bad as each other which by the time your big next milestone comes up you might start to realise RR.:)

TheDaddy 20-03-2017 06:01
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by RizzyKing (Post 35890820)
I think the UK will only become a tax haven in that our levels of taxation will be lower then those in the EU, brexit was a vote against globalisation and the few benefitting at the expense of the many it would be political suicide for any party to start a rush to the bottom. I agree no deal will be better then the type of deal all members of the EU would ratify and that's how i see it going despite the unrest it will cause in a small section of society.
There are many different forms and types of tax haven, none benefit their host countries particularly though and imo we've already gone to far down that road.


http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7527961.html

http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-bri...-idUKKBN1601UT

passingbat 20-03-2017 07:23
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35890795)
I've provided my response.

Which, worryingly, reveals a lot about your allegiances and sense of fairness.

Damien 20-03-2017 11:36
Re: Brexit
 
Article 50 to be issued on March 29th (next Wednesday).

Mick 20-03-2017 11:42
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35890838)
Article 50 to be issued on March 29th (next Wednesday).
:cleader::cleader::cleader::cleader::cleader:

:hyper::hyper::hyper::hyper::hyper:

and if I couldn't make that more clearer.....

Ramrod 20-03-2017 14:15
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35890821)
To be honest they are all as bad as each other which by the time your big next milestone comes up you might start to realise RR.:)
True, but at least the conservatives don't hold up Venezuela as a shining beacon of how to run a country :D

Osem 20-03-2017 14:54
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ramrod (Post 35890862)
True, but at least the conservatives don't hold up Venezuela as a shining beacon of how to run a country :D
I heard they copied New Labour's economic model and were surprised when they got the same outcome... :D

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Quote:
Originally Posted by RizzyKing (Post 35890807)
Shocker the EU supporters saying it's fine for the EU not to do something they then condemn the UK government for, but because it's the rules it's ok for the EU what a joke. But using your logic as we are still a member of the EU we are doing nothing wrong either we're following the rules so perhaps this is one of those no blame situations which are such a pain for some people who have an axe to grind. Roll on the next two years and if the EU supporters are not happy with whatever agreement I'm sure the EU will welcome them with open arms as they emigrate from the terrible country the UK will become without the EU i won't hold my breath on that of course.
Yep, who'd have thought...

:D

passingbat 20-03-2017 15:07
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by RizzyKing (Post 35890807)
Shocker the EU supporters saying it's fine for the EU not to do something they then condemn the UK government for, but because it's the rules it's ok for the EU what a joke..
Quote:
Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35890871)
Yep, who'd have thought...

:D

Well, Andrew for one :D

Sirius 20-03-2017 17:07
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35890840)
:cleader::cleader::cleader::cleader::cleader:

:hyper::hyper::hyper::hyper::hyper:

and if I couldn't make that more clearer.....
I feel the same way.I will have a glass of the good stuff and a nice cigar on the 29th :)

---------- Post added at 17:07 ---------- Previous post was at 17:03 ----------

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ramrod (Post 35890768)
To be fair. I'm despairing at the conservatives atm.....and I'm a paid up party member. :mis:
Still, could be worse......I could be a member of the labour party :D
I never have been and never will be. :D

TheDaddy 20-03-2017 17:17
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sirius (Post 35890910)
I feel the same way.I will have a glass of the good stuff and a nice cigar on the 29th :)
Put the glass down, it's not gonna happen due to clerical lunacy


http://southendnewsnetwork.com/news/...an-article-50/

Why didn't someone check earlier :mad: :mad:

Hom3r 20-03-2017 18:37
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 35890914)
Put the glass down, it's not gonna happen due to clerical lunacy


http://southendnewsnetwork.com/news/...an-article-50/

Why didn't someone check earlier :mad: :mad:
You do know that that site is a spoof news site?

Sirius 20-03-2017 18:43
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 35890914)
Put the glass down, it's not gonna happen due to clerical lunacy


http://southendnewsnetwork.com/news/...an-article-50/

Why didn't someone check earlier :mad: :mad:
:LOL: Love that site its better than the real media

djfunkdup 20-03-2017 19:10
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hom3r (Post 35890928)
You do know that that site is a spoof news site?

D'oh :D:D:D:D

TheDaddy 20-03-2017 19:28
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hom3r (Post 35890928)
You do know that that site is a spoof news site?
:sleep:

Considering I've contributed to articles on there I'd say so. That aside thank God you were here to point that out or else some simpleton might actually think the articles really are kept in clear plastic wallets as part of a welcome pack and that article 134 had only a Chinese takeaway menu in it

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sirius (Post 35890932)
:LOL: Love that site its better than the real media
It is, I love the names they come up with.

1andrew1 20-03-2017 19:56
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 35890939)
:sleep:

Considering I've contributed to articles on there I'd say so. That aside thank God you were here to point that out or else some simpleton might actually think the articles really are kept in clear plastic wallets as part of a welcome pack and that article 134 had only a Chinese takeaway menu in it

It is, I love the names they come up with.
It's a cracking little site. Love the "Retail World in Shock as DFS announces a sale" type headlines. :D

Mr K 20-03-2017 20:10
Re: Brexit: Article 50 to be triggered 29th March!
 
Quote:
Hard Brexit 'could increase cost of making a car in UK by £2,400'. Some carmakers would be forced to move production overseas if Britain falls back on WTO rules, report finds
https://www.theguardian.com/business...droidApp_Gmail

Here's hoping the EU is nice to us and we get a good deal. The alternative doesn't bare thinking about for the little manufacturing we have left.

Mick 21-03-2017 00:42
Re: Brexit: Article 50 to be triggered 29th March!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35890947)
https://www.theguardian.com/business...droidApp_Gmail

Here's hoping the EU is nice to us and we get a good deal. The alternative doesn't bare thinking about for the little manufacturing we have left.
More BS. Why don't you get a job at the guardian? You're in good company there with your Anti-Brexit stance.

RizzyKing 21-03-2017 01:04
Re: Brexit: Article 50 to be triggered 29th March!
 
Well MrK as I've said i don't believe there will be any deal and it's going to be hard brexit and i can't wait for the day we extract ourselves from the EU on that day i might even go so far as to have a celebratory drink.

heero_yuy 21-03-2017 12:47
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35890942)
It's a cracking little site. Love the "Retail World in Shock as DFS announces a sale" type headlines. :D
I'd have thought it would be more of a retail shock if the DFS sale actually ended. :D

1andrew1 21-03-2017 12:51
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 35891055)
I'd have thought it would be more of a retail shock if the DFS sale actually ended. :D
lol, even better! :D

pip08456 21-03-2017 13:38
Re: Brexit: Article 50 to be triggered 29th March!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by RizzyKing (Post 35891000)
Well MrK as I've said i don't believe there will be any deal and it's going to be hard brexit and i can't wait for the day we extract ourselves from the EU on that day i might even go so far as to have a celebratory drink.
It would appear Mr Junker agrees with you.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016...it-jean-claud/

RizzyKing 21-03-2017 14:02
Re: Brexit: Article 50 to be triggered 29th March!
 
Article 50 does not allow for anything other then a hard exit it's just not possible and even if it were the EU is petrified that the UK won't be the last to leave so will be looking to be as harsh as possible in an attempt to scare other nations from doing it. That will fail already there are eastern european countries already fed up of the EU quite the turnaround in less then a decade and some are blatantly ignoring the rules in certain areas with no consequences from the EU. Very radical reform is needed if the EU is to have a future and it needs to abandon the federal superstate ideal that's driven most of the damage to the EU.

pip08456 21-03-2017 14:15
Re: Brexit: Article 50 to be triggered 29th March!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by RizzyKing (Post 35891073)
Article 50 does not allow for anything other then a hard exit it's just not possible and even if it were the EU is petrified that the UK won't be the last to leave so will be looking to be as harsh as possible in an attempt to scare other nations from doing it. That will fail already there are eastern european countries already fed up of the EU quite the turnaround in less then a decade and some are blatantly ignoring the rules in certain areas with no consequences from the EU. Very radical reform is needed if the EU is to have a future and it needs to abandon the federal superstate ideal that's driven most of the damage to the EU.
I agree with you 100% RK. The only form of "soft" Berxit I could see was something like a 5yr "transition" period which I was doubtful of anyway.

I stated way back in this thread "Hard" Brexit was the only option.

passingbat 21-03-2017 16:31
Re: Brexit: Article 50 to be triggered 29th March!
 
BBC accused of Brexit bias. (What a shock; I never would have guessed ;))


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/2...-harm-britain/


Roll on the Grauniad readers...

pip08456 21-03-2017 16:37
Re: Brexit: Article 50 to be triggered 29th March!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by passingbat (Post 35891094)
BBC accused of Brexit bias. (What a shock; I never would have guessed ;))


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/2...-harm-britain/


Roll on the Grauniad readers...
It's not just in the Telegraph but quite a few.

It's not something we haven't known though.

RizzyKing 21-03-2017 17:37
Re: Brexit: Article 50 to be triggered 29th March!
 
I loathe paying the licence fee and never watch or listen to anything bbc as it doesn't represent me or my beliefs beyond condemning them. Media bias was clearly evident on both sides and did nothing to help people on either side but the bbc loves to show the country as a mess.

Mr K 21-03-2017 20:20
Re: Brexit: Article 50 to be triggered 29th March!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 35891095)
It's not just in the Telegraph but quite a few.
Yes, the Mail as well. :p:
Politicians from all sides, as well as newspapers, have tried to bully the BBC over the years. They are there to tell it as it is, not the message the Govt. or anyone else wants. Do you trust Murdoch's Sky more?

This tweet from Nick Robinson (a Conservative activist in his youth) sums it up.
Quote:
Do not adjust your set. Normal service from the BBC means you will hear people you disagree with say things you don't like. (That's our job)
https://mobile.twitter.com/bbcnickro...7Ctwgr%5Etweet

Damien 21-03-2017 21:43
Re: Brexit: Article 50 to be triggered 29th March!
 
The hard left Labour MPs, and all of the SNP, accuse it of bias well. Especially Laura Kussinburg, there was a petition to get her fired by left-wing activists IIRC. I think there might be a bias across a lot of media outlets for the status-quo, journalists attempt to fit what is happening into existing frameworks, but I don't think any of the television networks are that biased.

I think it's harder for news organizations though because people are becoming more partisan and there is less common ground from which to begin a discussion. When basic facts are disputed, the role of experts dismissed, and everything being a matter of opinion then that leaves no option but to be been by biased from one of the two sides. Corbyn loses a by-election and has historical low polling? Biased mainstream media narrative. Inflation increases as the pound falls in value? Liberal media undermining Brexit. They can't win.

People want their existing views confirmed and represented. Hence the popularity of hyperpartisan news sites which openly boast about addressing the perceived imbalance in the media, mocking 'the other side' for doing the same thing, and then printing nothing but stories which pander to their audience.

But Tory MPs are obviously going to say they're biased and there is a clear incentive to attempt to influence them to provide a positive spin on Brexit as we enter the Article 50 talks. At the leading broadcaster if they air a story about a negative consequence it could have an impact.

Mick 26-03-2017 21:36
Re: Brexit: Article 50 to be triggered 29th March!
 
Just seen footage of some ******* remoaners, at the London Pro-EU March yesterday, video is on leave.eu facebook page, so I cannot link to it here, those morons were sticking their 'Love for the EU' propaganda crap and stupid signs on top of the flowers that were being left at the make shift memorial at Parliament, where the PC that was killed.

What a bunch of morons, no respect at all, none for democracy and none for someone who died a hero, in the line of duty. Some guy was removing them, trying to keep the memorial, clear of them and he was being called a fascist and racist, these clowns still don't get why the leave vote won. :afire: :rolleyes:

Ramrod 26-03-2017 21:44
Re: Brexit: Article 50 to be triggered 29th March!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35891122)
Politicians from all sides, as well as newspapers, have tried to bully the BBC over the years. They are there to tell it as it is
rotflmao :D

1andrew1 26-03-2017 21:52
Re: Brexit: Article 50 to be triggered 29th March!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35891122)
Yes, the Mail as well. :p:
Politicians from all sides, as well as newspapers, have tried to bully the BBC over the years. They are there to tell it as it is, not the message the Govt. or anyone else wants. Do you trust Murdoch's Sky more?

This tweet from Nick Robinson (a Conservative activist in his youth) sums it up.

https://mobile.twitter.com/bbcnickro...7Ctwgr%5Etweet
It's the Brexit Broadcasting Corporation. They admitted they let the country down during their Brexit coverage. They failed to correctly challenge the £350m statement and just said that the opposition disputed the figure. And they admitted that they gave equal airtime to opposing experts even when one of the expert's views was fringe. This gave the expert more credibility than he had. And don't get me started on Ukip Question Time or the Andrew Brexit Marr Show! And they admitted to following newspapers' news agendas which invariably means the Daily Mail. :td:

Osem 26-03-2017 22:11
Re: Brexit: Article 50 to be triggered 29th March!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ramrod (Post 35891828)
rotflmao :D
Me too. Never heard such unmitigated guff... :D

1andrew1 26-03-2017 22:39
Re: Brexit: Article 50 to be triggered: 3 DAYS FROM NOW!
 
Despite the mistaken beliefs of some, we just don't have the expertise to leave the EU fully at the moment.
Quote:
UK set to keep EU regulation after Brexit
Theresa May is looking to keep Britain under the remit of some EU agencies after Brexit, in an admission that the UK does not have the time or expertise to replace European bodies with a new British regulatory regime within two years.
As the prime minister prepares to officially fire the starting gun on Brexit talks on Wednesday, officials close to the negotiations say that the UK would have little choice but to take part in some EU agencies after 2019, the scheduled date for Britain’s departure from the bloc, despite pressure from some Brexiters for a clean break.
https://www.ft.com/content/64d30780-...0-768954394623

Chris 26-03-2017 22:45
Re: Brexit: Article 50 to be triggered: 3 DAYS FROM NOW!
 
Good. There's no need to rush. The point of sovereignty is that we can take these decisions for ourselves, remaining within these frameworks for as long as it suits us.

1andrew1 26-03-2017 22:55
Re: Brexit: Article 50 to be triggered: 3 DAYS FROM NOW!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris (Post 35891840)
Good. There's no need to rush. The point of sovereignty is that we can take these decisions for ourselves, remaining within these frameworks for as long as it suits us.
Those who felt that hard Brexit was the only option will doubtless be throwing a few hissy fits when reality dawns!

passingbat 26-03-2017 23:09
Re: Brexit: Article 50 to be triggered: 3 DAYS FROM NOW!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35891838)
Despite the mistaken beliefs of some, we just don't have the expertise to leave the EU fully at the moment.

https://www.ft.com/content/64d30780-...0-768954394623

Old news Andrew. This was discussed several times, a good while ago, on The Daily Politics.


Apparently it's how it's been done in similar circumstances (I seem to remember Hong Kong was mentioned as a example), and is the most efficient way of proceeding.


You 'import' all the laws and then sift through them to keep, modify or dump.


It's a scare story from a remoaner news paper that has a globalist world view. Sensible people can simply ignore it.

1andrew1 26-03-2017 23:14
Re: Brexit: Article 50 to be triggered: 3 DAYS FROM NOW!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by passingbat (Post 35891844)
Old news Andrew. This was discussed several times, a good while ago, on The Daily Politics.

Apparently it's how it's been done in similar circumstances (I seem to remember Hong Kong was mentioned as a example), and is the most efficient way of proceeding.

You 'import' all the laws and then sift through them to keep, modify or dump.

It's a scare story from a remoaner news paper that has a globalist world view. Sensible people can simply ignore it.
They're keeping the regulatory bodies, not just the legislation. That's what's new. So, it looks like March 29th will be EU Dependence Day. :D

Gavin78 27-03-2017 01:02
Re: Brexit: Article 50 to be triggered: 3 DAYS FROM NOW!
 
The EU is worried, when it all started off they werent even bothered, then it got half way and the threats started now we are coming to the end it's a shame you are leaving. you can always come back.

I don't think they were actually expecting us to go through with it. Now I think they will make it as difficult as possible. If the whole thing starts to collapse they can only blame themselves

1andrew1 27-03-2017 01:52
Re: Brexit: Article 50 to be triggered: 3 DAYS FROM NOW!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gavin78 (Post 35891848)
The EU is worried...
What evidence if any do you have to support this view?

RizzyKing 27-03-2017 04:36
Re: Brexit: Article 50 to be triggered: 3 DAYS FROM NOW!
 
No hissy fits here because nobody but an utter imbecile ever thought we could be completely disentangled from the EU quickly after the decades we were a member but what will happen is we will be bound by whats best for us and not have to be bound by any future lunacy. You really don't know much about the bulk of us leave voters do you Andrew and seem to have been completely taken in by the "stupid leave voter" rubbish that started hours after leave was the choice made by the majority. Hard brexit will happen there will be no meaningful treaty agreed by all concerned at the end of the two years and no transitional agreement either though at varying times in the negotiations you'll hear likely from both sides about those possibilities.

1andrew1 27-03-2017 04:53
Re: Brexit: Article 50 to be triggered: 3 DAYS FROM NOW!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by RizzyKing (Post 35891852)
No hissy fits here because nobody but an utter imbecile ever thought we could be completely disentangled from the EU quickly after the decades we were a member but what will happen is we will be bound by whats best for us and not have to be bound by any future lunacy. You really don't know much about the bulk of us leave voters do you Andrew and seem to have been completely taken in by the "stupid leave voter" rubbish that started hours after leave was the choice made by the majority. Hard brexit will happen there will be no meaningful treaty agreed by all concerned at the end of the two years and no transitional agreement either though at varying times in the negotiations you'll hear likely from both sides about those possibilities.
I'm stating that many Brexiters will be disappointed when they hear the news, assuming it's correct. It is incompatible with the hard Brexit you and others have stated that you want.

passingbat 27-03-2017 08:17
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35891845)
They're keeping the regulatory bodies


Which will progressively be replaced by British bodies.


There is no story here. The FT, who don't want Briton to leave,, are pushing a scare story. It's as simple as that. You know that, yet choose to propagate the story in your vein attempt to prove that we should not leave the EU. BTW, You didn't recently get a job a London newspaper, did you? That guy specialised in scare mongering. The similarities are alarming.

jonbxx 27-03-2017 09:00
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Quote:
Originally Posted by passingbat (Post 35891861)
Which will progressively be replaced by British bodies.
At what cost? In my field, there is considerable worry about potentially leaving the European Medicines Agency. The UK going alone would be 3% of the global drugs market. The 'EMA Zone' is 16%. Drug companies are of course going to focus on the biggest markets first when bringing new drugs out.

See http://www.pharmaceutical-journal.co...202328.article

Gary L 27-03-2017 09:32
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I've often wondered what this country would be doing to keep itself occupied if we never had Brexit for all these years. it'll drag on for years and years.

papa smurf 27-03-2017 10:07
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Gary L (Post 35891869)
I've often wondered what this country would be doing to keep itself occupied if we never had Brexit for all these years. it'll drag on for years and years.
once we are no longer joined at the hip with Europe we can get on with the age old pastime of hating each other, oh hang on they already feel that way about us . :)


it'll be lonely without all the remoaners once they move to their beloved EU but we will just have to make the best of it .

Osem 27-03-2017 11:18
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Oh dear, what are we all going to do when the UK collapses on Thursday morning? :erm:

I fully expect another of those 'emergency budgets' to be required...

:D

Ramrod 27-03-2017 14:18
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Sir James Dyson: I am 'enormously optimistic' about our future and UK has nothing to fear from hard Brexit

Osem 27-03-2017 14:32
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Just more scaremongering I reckon*...


:D


* the prospect of UK PLC doing just fine outside of the EU is clearly scary to some folks. ;)

RizzyKing 27-03-2017 14:52
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Utter rubbish Andrew you saying something doesn't make it a fact it's your opinion and only an opinion and you clearly don't know me well enough to comment on what type of brexit i wanted. You do this a lot say things as though they are fact when it's just your opinion of things and just to clarify so you don't have to mistake my stance i want out of the EU i want out of the single market which has not been working for us as well as some remain supporters pretend. My biggest motivator when i cast my vote was that my grandkids wouldn't have to deal with a single european military that has a two year national service proposal and they would continue to be policed by citizens of this country and abiding by our laws not some nightmare federal european police and justice system.

Article 50 is very clear on the type of exit that we will end up with it only allows oneway and the fact that so many remain supporters are pressuring for an exit that still ties us to the EU shows how little they have either read or understood it. Perhaps if the EU were open and honest about their future plans rather then hiding ever closer integration with legal terminology that even some lawyers struggle to get through in the EU treaty process more of us might have voted differently but that will not happen anytime soon because the EU is scared of the public response were they to lay the whole plan out.

pip08456 27-03-2017 19:27
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35891853)
I'm stating that many Brexiters will be disappointed when they hear the news, assuming it's correct. It is incompatible with the hard Brexit you and others have stated that you want.

You are assuming too much and showing yourself to be an ass.

djfunkdup 27-03-2017 20:06
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Quote:
Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 35891958)
You are assuming too much and showing yourself to be an ass.
He did that months ago in my book if honest :dunce:

Mr K 27-03-2017 20:16
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Oh dear abuse is rife again... How typical of the way the country is going.

Brexit is going to be a cold awakening for many when they see how it personally affects them. Until then , keep trolling away if it keeps you happy ;)

RizzyKing 27-03-2017 20:20
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Oh fgs don't you get tired of repeating yourself over and over i wouldn't mind so much if you and a few others showed that you've seen not all leave voters are the same with quite a few of us having a realistic idea of what voting leave meant. All the more ironic given you complain about abuse but are quite happy to use a moderate type yourself constantly repeating the same doom and gloom regardless of what people have said.

deadite66 27-03-2017 20:22
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Question Time Brexit special on bbc1 8:30pm

Mr K 27-03-2017 20:31
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Quote:
Originally Posted by deadite66 (Post 35891970)
Question Time Brexit special on bbc1 8:30pm
Oh yes will be sure to set the Tivo for that ! More vitriol.

Fawlty Towers is on Gold, got to be a better bet. Basil speaks far more sense.

figgyburn 27-03-2017 20:33
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I voted to leave to benefit my country in the future not,what was i going to lose by us leaving.Too much of this me,myself and i thinking in this country and not enough to quote JFK"Ask not of what your country can do for you,ask what you can do for your country".I did and voted to leave.

1andrew1 27-03-2017 20:39
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Quote:
Originally Posted by RizzyKing (Post 35891915)
Utter rubbish Andrew you saying something doesn't make it a fact it's your opinion and only an opinion and you clearly don't know me well enough to comment on what type of brexit i wanted. You do this a lot say things as though they are fact when it's just your opinion of things and just to clarify so you don't have to mistake my stance i want out of the EU i want out of the single market which has not been working for us as well as some remain supporters pretend. My biggest motivator when i cast my vote was that my grandkids wouldn't have to deal with a single european military that has a two year national service proposal and they would continue to be policed by citizens of this country and abiding by our laws not some nightmare federal european police and justice system.

Article 50 is very clear on the type of exit that we will end up with it only allows oneway and the fact that so many remain supporters are pressuring for an exit that still ties us to the EU shows how little they have either read or understood it. Perhaps if the EU were open and honest about their future plans rather then hiding ever closer integration with legal terminology that even some lawyers struggle to get through in the EU treaty process more of us might have voted differently but that will not happen anytime soon because the EU is scared of the public response were they to lay the whole plan out.
If I'm wrong and you don't want a hard Brexit then I apologise.

Mr K 27-03-2017 20:45
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Quote:
Originally Posted by figgyburn (Post 35891974)
I voted to leave to benefit my country in the future not,what was i going to lose by us leaving.Too much of this me,myself and i thinking in this country and not enough to quote JFK"Ask not of what your country can do for you,ask what you can do for your country".I DID AND VOTED TO LEAVE.
What can you do for your country figgy ? Can you support agriculture ? Can you provide a single market? Can you provide free movement of labour? Can you get freedom to live, work and retire anywhere in Europe? Can you sustain millions of jobs ?

Change always seems nice till you realise what the alternative is.

figgyburn 27-03-2017 20:54
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35891976)
What can you do for your country figgy ? Can you support agriculture ? Can you provide a single market? Can you provide free movement of labour? Can you get freedom to live, work and retire anywhere in Europe? Can you sustain millions of jobs ?

Change always seems nice till you realise what the alternative is.
I am more than happy to accept the alternative mr k.That's why a majority voted leave because they must be willing to accept the alternative as well.Nobody is stupid enough to think there will not be winners and losers just as it is in life..A question mr k did nobody from britain live,work,retire to europe before we joined?

Paul 27-03-2017 20:57
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Reminder: If you start to use insults towards other members, the wrath of admin will fall upon you.

Dont do it.

papa smurf 27-03-2017 21:04
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Quote:
Originally Posted by deadite66 (Post 35891970)
Question Time Brexit special on bbc1 8:30pm
wow is this annoying i think nick clegg should be hung live on tv :td:

and has kier starmer had a lobotomy

Chris 27-03-2017 21:11
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Plenty of heat, very little light. Far too much re-running of the arguments of last summer. Brexit is happening, get on with it.

Oh and Alex Salmond is such a jumped up, self important, pompous twit.

1andrew1 27-03-2017 21:45
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The first condition looks impossible to achieve. I suspect it's there to highlight an undeliverable promise made by David Davis.
Labour seems to have belatedly have woken up to Brexit and probably views it as a great way to heap pressure on the Government when it's stretched.

Labour set to outline six conditions for support of Brexit Bill in House of Commons
  • Does it deliver the "exact same benefits" as the UK currently has as a member of the single market and customs union?
  • Does it ensure a strong and collaborative future relationship with the EU?
  • Does it ensure the fair management of migration "in the interests of the economy and communities"?
  • Does it defend rights and protections and "prevent a race to the bottom"?
  • Does it protect national security and the UK's capacity to tackle cross-border crime?
  • Does it deliver for all regions and nations of the UK?
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/polit...-a3499601.html

techguyone 27-03-2017 21:49
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If Labour become an issue, can't TM call another GE, Labour will undoubtedly lose more seats and make the Cons stronger, they must know this too, so I expect all is bluff and posturing. If it were me, I'd do a GE & the boundary changes in one go :D

1andrew1 27-03-2017 21:52
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Quote:
Originally Posted by techguyone (Post 35891991)
If Labour become an issue, can't TM call another GE, Labour will undoubtedly lose more seats and make the Cons stronger, they must know this too, so I expect all is bluff and posturing. If it were me, I'd do a GE & the boundary changes in one go :D
There's a five-year fixed Parliamentry term in force. To alter this. Parliament would have to agree to it, so not a given. Any why do anything to stop Corbyn remaining in power; like Trump he's the gift that keeps on giving.

Mr K 27-03-2017 21:53
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Quote:
Originally Posted by techguyone (Post 35891991)
If Labour become an issue, can't TM call another GE
Not without Labours agreement. Fixed Term Parliament Act - well done Dave & Nick.

Osem 27-03-2017 22:13
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@ Techguyone - Labour are and will remain little more than an un-electable harmless irritant for the foreseeable future.

As for the sort of garbage MrK wallows in, well we've heard it all before and it's no more convincing now that it was then - a blind, ask no questions, admit no problems tethering to the EU in spite of all its woes. Same old, lame old...

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Quote:
Originally Posted by figgyburn (Post 35891978)
I am more than happy to accept the alternative mr k.That's why a majority voted leave because they must be willing to accept the alternative as well.Nobody is stupid enough to think there will not be winners and losers just as it is in life..A question mr k did nobody from britain live,work,retire to europe before we joined?
Of course not, there was no life before the EU. :rofl:

pip08456 27-03-2017 22:18
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Easy answer.

Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35891990)
The first condition looks impossible to achieve. I suspect it's there to highlight an undeliverable promise made by David Davis.
Labour seems to have belatedly have woken up to Brexit and probably views it as a great way to heap pressure on the Government when it's stretched.

Labour set to outline six conditions for support of Brexit Bill in House of Commons
  • Does it deliver the "exact same benefits" as the UK currently has as a member of the single market and customs union?
    Not going to happen. Expect the EU to make an example of us to deter other member states withdrawing.
  • Does it ensure a strong and collaborative future relationship with the EU?
    The UK has always expressed this wish.
  • Does it ensure the fair management of migration "in the interests of the economy and communities"?
    Even before the EU this happened, why does anyone expect anything else?
  • Does it defend rights and protections and "prevent a race to the bottom"?
    Define the bottom. Unless we know what it means how can anyone answer it?
  • Does it protect national security and the UK's capacity to tackle cross-border crime?
    See above regarding collaboration.
  • Does it deliver for all regions and nations of the UK?
    Deliver what? The EU has not been a cashcow for any regions per se. Any rebate that has been spent in the regions has always been less than the total submitted. Once payments no longer need to be made parliament can decide where any money is spent and what for.
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/polit...-a3499601.html

passingbat 27-03-2017 23:10
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Quote:
Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 35891999)
Once payments no longer need to be made parliament can decide where any money is spent and what for..

Exactly; Taking back control.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35891990)
The first condition looks impossible to achieve. I suspect it's there to highlight an undeliverable promise made by David Davis.
Labour seems to have belatedly have woken up to Brexit and probably views it as a great way to heap pressure on the Government when it's stretched.

Labour set to outline six conditions for support of Brexit Bill in House of Commons
  • Does it deliver the "exact same benefits" as the UK currently has as a member of the single market and customs union?
  • Does it ensure a strong and collaborative future relationship with the EU?
  • Does it ensure the fair management of migration "in the interests of the economy and communities"?
  • Does it defend rights and protections and "prevent a race to the bottom"?
  • Does it protect national security and the UK's capacity to tackle cross-border crime?
  • Does it deliver for all regions and nations of the UK?
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/polit...-a3499601.html

Why is anyone surprised at those demands? Labour leadership wants us to stay in the EU.

techguyone 28-03-2017 07:52
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Which is a little bit amusing as originally Labour were not for the 'Common Market' - oh how things change.

Mr K 28-03-2017 08:04
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Quote:
Originally Posted by passingbat (Post 35892003)
Exactly; Taking back control.

---------- Post added at 23:10 ---------- Previous post was at 23:05 ----------




Why is anyone surprised at those demands? Labour leadership wants us to stay in the EU.
You could say the same of the Conservative leadership... TM and her chancellor campaigned for Remain, they're not completely daft ;) However this has given them a nice chance for power, so that's some consolation. Plus being very rich will insulate them from the worst affects of Brexit, unlike the plebs.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by passingbat (Post 35892003)
Exactly; Taking back control.
We've not enough 'faceless bureaucrats' to take back control with. We've made most of the Civil Service redundant over the last 10 years.

TheDaddy 28-03-2017 08:05
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Got a nasty feeling pretty much everyone will end up disappointed, I think it'll be a messy little fudge where we neither end up in or out let alone shaking it all about

passingbat 28-03-2017 08:56
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35892017)
You could say the same of the Conservative leadership... TM and her chancellor campaigned for Remain, they're not completely daft.

But they accepted the democratic result of the referendum which was to leave.


It was made perfectly clear, by both sides, that if we voted to Leave, that would also mean leaving the Single Market. Were Labour and the Lib Dem leadership not paying attention during the referendum?

1andrew1 28-03-2017 12:19
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35892017)
We've not enough 'faceless bureaucrats' to take back control with. We've made most of the Civil Service redundant over the last 10 years.
Civil servants are either criticised for being faceless bureaucrats but when they do become known they are criticised as being unelected bureaucrats who run the show!
But the essence of the FT story from a couple of days ago is that we will have to come under EU regulation for some time/indefinitely as we don't have the agencies in place to step in and they can't be set up in two years.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 35892020)
Got a nasty feeling pretty much everyone will end up disappointed, I think it'll be a messy little fudge where we neither end up in or out let alone shaking it all about
I think you're right.

---------- Post added at 12:19 ---------- Previous post was at 12:18 ----------

Quote:
Originally Posted by techguyone (Post 35892016)
Which is a little bit amusing as originally Labour were not for the 'Common Market' - oh how things change.
Yes, the Conservatives got us into the EEC. The other amusing thing is that an EU referendum was a Liberal Democrat policy for many years!

Mick 28-03-2017 12:29
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35892039)

I think you're right.
I don't. Voting leave meant leave, not partial leave or half in half out, voting out meant exactly that for me and I do not regret it, I care little for the negative nonsense from some remainers, which includes you, so if it is a hard brexit, so be it. We need to cut ties to a corrupted, failing entity, staying in it, makes no sense whatsoever.

1andrew1 28-03-2017 12:49
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35892044)
I don't. Voting leave meant leave, not partial leave or half in half out, voting out meant exactly that for me and I do not regret it, I care little for the negative nonsense from some remainers, which includes you, so if it is a hard brexit, so be it. We need to cut ties to a corrupted, failing entity, staying in it, makes no sense whatsoever.
I'm not saying a fudge is right or wrong, that's a different debate.
I do think The Daddy is correct in predicting that a fudge will happen. None of your posts suggests why a fudge is unlikley, it just revisits the arguments of June 2016 with a couple of potshots in there for good measure.
In support of a fudge happening, it's to do with the fact that regulatory agencies can't be set up in the timescales required. As reported in the press today, the government is now privately admitting that no deal is unacceptable and would cause havoc. These two factors suggest a fudge.

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Quote:
MPs 'walk out' in protest at 'too gloomy' Brexit report
A source said Labour chairman Hilary Benn had tried to "bounce" members into accepting a 155-page report into the government's Brexit White Paper.
BBC political editor Laura Kuenssberg said the source said it was so "gloomy" it could not be allowed to stand.
Pro-Remain MP Mr Benn's office has been contacted for a response.
According to the source, there had been no consultation on the report with the rest of the committee before Mr Benn put it forward to a vote.
The Exiting the European Union Committee was appointed by the House of Commons to scrutinise the expenditure, administration and policy of the Department for Exiting the European Union.
It has a 21-strong membership, made up of MPs from all parties, including Labour, the Conservatives, the Scottish National Party, Liberal Democrats, Plaid Cymru and the Democratic Unionist Party.
Mr Benn was elected to lead the new select committee last October, beating Leave campaigner and fellow Labour MP Kate Hoey to the job.
The role of select committees, which interview witnesses and produce reports to check the work of different areas of government, has increased in profile in recent years.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-39417715

Mick 28-03-2017 13:25
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35892045)
I'm not saying a fudge is right or wrong, that's a different debate.
I do think The Daddy is correct in predicting that a fudge will happen. None of your posts suggests why a fudge is unlikley, it just revisits the arguments of June 2016 with a couple of potshots in there for good measure.
In support of a fudge happening, it's to do with the fact that regulatory agencies can't be set up in the timescales required. As reported in the press today, the government is now privately admitting that no deal is unacceptable and would cause havoc. These two factors suggest a fudge.

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-39417715
You and TheDaddy and miserable doom and gloom expert, Mr K, are venomously Anti-Brexit, so you're trying to dream up all the worst things possible.

As you should know by now, unlike yourself and others, I do not follow everything said in the media and press so glibly.

Osem 28-03-2017 13:46
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My word there are some truly condescending scaremongers around. People who like to tell the rest of us we didn't really know what we were voting for, we didn't realise how tough it would be, blah, blah, blah. Truly pathetic.

Rather than accept the decision which was made, they prefer to undermine every stage of the process and in so doing damage the position of those conducting the negotiations on our behalf and to what end? A better deal for the UK or a worse outcome or the chaos they keep predicting? :rolleyes:

1andrew1 28-03-2017 13:54
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35892054)
My word there are some truly condescending scaremongers around. People who like to tell the rest of us we didn't really know what we were voting for, we didn't realise how tough it would be, blah, blah, blah. Truly pathetic.

Rather than accept the decision which was made, they prefer to undermine every stage of the process and in so doing damage the position of those conducting the negotiations on our behalf and to what end? A better deal for the UK or a worse outcome or the chaos they keep predicting? :rolleyes:
Who's said that people did not know what they were voting for? Is this a straw man argument or do you have anything to back this up?

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35892050)
You and TheDaddy and miserable doom and gloom expert, Mr K, are venomously Anti-Brexit, so you're trying to dream up all the worst things possible.

As you should know by now, unlike yourself and others, I do not follow everything said in the media and press so glibly.
You love us all really Mick! :D

Kursk 28-03-2017 14:04
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35892056)
You love us all really Mick! :D
Confucius say 'even remoaners are good for visit stats' ;)

papa smurf 28-03-2017 14:05
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Kursk (Post 35892059)
Confucius say 'even remoaners are good for visit stats' ;)
we must make the most of them before they move to their beloved EU .

Kursk 28-03-2017 14:10
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Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35892060)
we must make the most of them before they move to their beloved EU .
Je serai très triste! They are such fun :)

papa smurf 28-03-2017 14:19
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Kursk (Post 35892061)
Je serai très triste! They are such fun :)
don't be sad they are moving to paradise .

Kursk 28-03-2017 14:28
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Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35892063)
don't be sad they are moving to paradise .
It is the decent thing for them to do. They will be making room here for skilled immigrants who work not moan, all day, every day :D.
Perhaps a remoaner or two could let us know if they've considered emigrating seeing as the outlook is so bleak here?

papa smurf 28-03-2017 14:48
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Kursk (Post 35892064)
It is the decent thing for them to do. They will be making room here for skilled immigrants who work not moan, all day, every day :D.
Perhaps a remoaner or two could let us know if they've considered emigrating seeing as the outlook is so bleak here?
well you would have to be a special king of hypocrite to want to stay while the country is destroyed by brexit ,mr's merkel will welcome them all into utopia .

Kursk 28-03-2017 14:54
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Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35892066)
well you would have to be a special king of hypocrite to want to stay while the country is destroyed by brexit ,mr's merkel will welcome them all into utopia .
Well, there are lots of options. Bulgaria, Greece, Latvia, Romania, Hungary and Estonia to name but a few. I wonder which one they will choose?

Or will they stay in the UK? :dozey:

papa smurf 28-03-2017 15:08
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Kursk (Post 35892067)
Well, there are lots of options. Bulgaria, Greece, Latvia, Romania, Hungary and Estonia to name but a few. I wonder which one they will choose?

Or will they stay in the UK? :dozey:
why would they want to ? they say we can't exist without the EU in control ,much better to move over there after all it's got every thing they want .

perhaps mr's may can negotiate their repatriation to that which they love so much

Maggy 28-03-2017 15:09
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Are you lot still arguing? I thought it was all done and dusted.

Kursk 28-03-2017 15:10
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 35892070)
Are you lot still arguing? I thought it was all done and dusted.
We're not arguing! We're waiting for a remoaner to tell us when they are emigrating and where to *drums fingers*

denphone 28-03-2017 15:28
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 35892070)
Are you lot still arguing? I thought it was all done and dusted.
Arguing and coming out with insults is still par for the course still sadly Maggy as Brexit is happening as we know end of of but everybody has a opinion and thus they should not be shouted down or insulted just because their opinions are different to others on this forum.

passingbat 28-03-2017 15:28
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35892054)
Rather than accept the decision which was made, they prefer to undermine every stage of the process and in so doing damage the position of those conducting the negotiations on our behalf and to what end? A better deal for the UK or a worse outcome or the chaos they keep predicting?

They know exactly what they are doing, especially publications such as the FT.


You've hit the nail on the head; they are attacking our negotiating position. And what weapon are they using? Fear; the same one they have been using from the get-go.


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