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pip08456 04-03-2017 14:34
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35888506)
Prolly got his info from Breitbart - is there someone in the WH who has connections there?

http://www.breitbart.com/big-governm...dermine-trump/
I can imagine the timeline to be factual, but who really knows?

The best thing Trump could do now is invite a Congressional investigation into both alleged Russian ties to him and the alleged phone tapping by Obama.

Arthurgray50@blu 04-03-2017 19:52
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...=.de1baa69daba

I read this article with great interest.

My own personnel view is that something is nasty in the way Trump won the election. And now he is stating that Obama tagged his phone.

And Trump says ' wonder what a decent Lawyer would do.

Well l wonder what Obama's legal would do.

Trump is a nasty piece of work. And the United States is suffering. I read today that an American actor has quit The Apprentice TV show as Trump is still getting paid for being an Associate Producer.

TheDaddy 04-03-2017 20:07
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu (Post 35888561)
https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...=.de1baa69daba

I read this article with great interest.

My own personnel view is that something is nasty in the way Trump won the election. And now he is stating that Obama tagged his phone.

And Trump says ' wonder what a decent Lawyer would do.

Well l wonder what Obama's legal would do.

Trump is a nasty piece of work. And the United States is suffering. I read today that an American actor has quit The Apprentice TV show as Trump is still getting paid for being an Associate Producer.
Austrian actor...

Mick 04-03-2017 20:14
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu (Post 35888561)

Trump is a nasty piece of work. And the United States is suffering. I read today that an American actor has quit The Apprentice TV show as Trump is still getting paid for being an Associate Producer.
That would be Arnie and Trump said he didn't leave, he was fired due to poor ratings. In Arnie's defense, he said he left the show because the show has too much baggage.

I know it is pointless asking because you do your nightly ranting and then do your disappearing act and don't bother to respond to posts later on, but I ask this, in what way is the US suffering or can you not form a view unless it requires reading from the gutter press ? :rolleyes:

Osem 04-03-2017 20:18
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35888566)
That would be Arnie and Trump said he didn't leave, he was fired due to poor ratings. In Arnie's defense, he said he left the show because the show has too much baggage.

I know it is pointless asking because you do your nightly ranting and then do your disappearing act and don't bother to respond to posts later on, but I ask this, in what way is the US suffering or can you not form a view unless it requires reading from the gutter press ? :rolleyes:
Come on now, things must be truly terrible in the US when holier than thou actors, musicians and the like start throwing throwing hissy fits... :D

Mick 04-03-2017 20:26
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35888567)
Come on now, things must be truly terrible in the US when holier than thou actors, musicians and the like start throwing throwing hissy fits... :D
Even they are now getting their own leftie label, Brexit has Remoaners, the sour faced Actors/Musicians, all those who propped up crooked Hillary during the Election (And still LOST haha), are being labeled as Hollyweirdos. ;)

Mr K 04-03-2017 20:31
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35888569)
Even they are now getting their own leftie label, Brexit has Remoaners, the sour faced Actors/Musicians, all those who propped up crooked Hillary during the Election (And still LOST haha), are being labeled as Hollyweirdos. ;)
Yes, that is most hilarious. The 'alt right' are fantastic at comedy, you have to admit, but not in the way they think ;)

papa smurf 04-03-2017 20:36
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35888567)
Come on now, things must be truly terrible in the US when holier than thou actors, musicians and the like start throwing throwing hissy fits... :D
Ready to engage: Patrick Stewart applying for US citizenship so he can 'fight' Trump

http://edition.cnn.com/2017/03/03/po...p-citizenship/



we have engaged the donald at wolf 359

Hugh 04-03-2017 20:38
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 35888514)
I can imagine the timeline to be factual, but who really knows?

The best thing Trump could do now is invite a Congressional investigation into both alleged Russian ties to him and the alleged phone tapping by Obama.
Agreed - they should appoint an independent special investigator.

Or, as he is in charge of the DoJ, he could ask them who ordered the FBI to undertake the wiretap (as only the DoJ can authorise a wiretap).

Mr Banana 04-03-2017 20:42
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35888566)
That would be Arnie and Trump said he didn't leave, he was fired due to poor ratings. In Arnie's defense, he said he left the show because the show has too much baggage.

I know it is pointless asking because you do your nightly ranting and then do your disappearing act and don't bother to respond to posts later on, but I ask this, in what way is the US suffering or can you not form a view unless it requires reading from the gutter press ? :rolleyes:
Yes he said in yet another tweet and once again the responses are very funny.

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...16045222854656

Mr K 04-03-2017 20:43
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Mmm, seems the vice president used a private email server to conduct state business...
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.bbc...s/amp/39148306
Lock him up ?? Oh no , he's not a Democrat or called Hilary...

Mick 04-03-2017 20:58
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35888576)
Mmm, seems the vice president used a private email server to conduct state business...
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.bbc...s/amp/39148306
Lock him up ?? Oh no , he's not a Democrat or called Hilary...
Wrong, get the story right Mr K...he used a private email account not a private server, which was perfectly legal and above board, while he was Governor of Indiana, he broke no laws.

Mr K 04-03-2017 21:01
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35888579)
Wrong, get the story right Mr K...he used a private email account not a private server, which was perfectly legal and above board, while he was Governor of Indiana, he broke no laws.
Neither did Hilary or she'd be 'locked up' like the Trumpster promised the faithful.

Mick 04-03-2017 21:05
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35888572)
Ready to engage: Patrick Stewart applying for US citizenship so he can 'fight' Trump

http://edition.cnn.com/2017/03/03/po...p-citizenship/



we have engaged the donald at wolf 359
This is why Actors/Musicians need to badly stick to what they are good at (In some cases) Not use the stage or award ceremonies, to broadcast their political BS.

Hugh 04-03-2017 21:09
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35888579)
Wrong, get the story right Mr K...he used a private email account not a private server, which was perfectly legal and above board, while he was Governor of Indiana, he broke no laws.
Was Hillary prosecuted for breaking any laws about her emails?

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35888582)
This is why Actors/Musicians need to badly stick to what they are good at (In some cases) Not use the stage or award ceremonies, to broadcast their political BS.
Well, if everyone one in TV adhered to that dictum, a certain Reality TV star wouldn't be President now... ;)

Mick 04-03-2017 21:12
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35888581)
Neither did Hilary or she'd be 'locked up' like the Trumpster promised the faithful.
More nonsense. You really do need to do your research more.

Nothing was found because it was said she did not hand over ALL her emails to the investigation, she was also said to have lied many times over the issue. Not to mention her loving husband, Bill, spent 40 minutes talking on the back of a plane with the then US Attorney General, Loretta Lynch, days before the FBI was to conclude it's Investigation into Hillary's email scandal.

Btw, It's Hillary with two LL's. There's me thinking you had an education the way you lambasted Brexiteers for not having any. :dunce:

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35888583)
Was Hillary prosecuted for breaking any laws about her emails?[COLOR="Silver"]
See above. :rolleyes:

Hugh 04-03-2017 21:13
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 35888563)
Austrian actor...
He's a naturalised US citizen (has been for over 33 years).

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35888587)
More nonsense. You really do need to do your research more.

Nothing was found because it was said she did not hand over ALL her emails to the investigation, she was also said to have lied many times over the issue. Not to mention her loving husband, Bill, spent 40 minutes talking on the back of a plane with the then US Attorney General, Loretta Lynch, days before the FBI was to conclude it's Investigation into Hillary's email scandal.

Btw, It's Hillary with two LL's. There's me thinking you had an education the way you lambasted Brexiteers for not having any. :dunce:

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See above. :rolleyes:
So, no, then...

Why doesn't Trump live up to his campaign promise to appoint a special prosecutor to prosecute her?

Mick 04-03-2017 21:18
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35888583)

Well, if everyone one in TV adhered to that dictum, a certain Reality TV star wouldn't be President now... ;)
Well nothing, that's bollocks. Trump did not use award ceremonies to hold his campaigns on. Here, have a wink back. ;)

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35888590)

So, no, then...

Why doesn't Trump live up to his campaign promise to appoint a special prosecutor to prosecute her?
I don't know, wtf don't you ask him ? :rolleyes:

Hugh 04-03-2017 21:22
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35888592)
Well nothing, that's bollocks. Trump did not use award ceremonies to hold his campaigns on. Here, have a wink back. ;)

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I don't know, wtf don't you ask him ? :rolleyes:
Why don't you?

Mick 04-03-2017 21:23
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35888595)
Why don't you?
You brought it up, you ask him. I don't care.

1andrew1 04-03-2017 21:25
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35888587)
There's me thinking you had an education the way you lambasted Brexiteers for not having any. :dunce:
In fairness to Mr K, I genuinely feel you have perceived offence when none was given. He has not passed judgment on Brexiters, he has discussed the reported profiling of those who voted to leave v those who voted to remain. I think that's it's an interesting debate that people should be able to have without fear of offending anyone.

Mick 04-03-2017 21:26
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35888597)
In fairness to Mr K, I genuinely feel you have perceived offence when none was given. He has not passed judgment on Brexiters, he has discussed the profiling of those who voted to leave v those who voted to remain. I think that's it's an interesting debate that people should be able to have without fear of offending anyone.
He profiled nobody, here you go again with your 'profiling Brexiteer' crap. :rolleyes:

Stuart 04-03-2017 21:28
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by passingbat (Post 35887785)
Some companies have out sourced factories to countries with cheap labour. He has convinced some of those companies to instead build those factories in the US
Those kinds of deals will not have been made in a few weeks, despite what Trump's administration says. They would have negotiated every single detail of the deal, and they are likely to have taken months, not weeks.

As Mick says, what we are told is not necessarily the truth. That runs true for the media, and it also runs true for the Trump Administration who have famously contradicted themselves, and established history in what they have stated. They have also shown they have a frankly frightening habit of banning the media outlets who disagree with them rather than ignoring them. Hitler's government started that way.

For democracy to work, we need a media that is free to question the incumbent administration.

Does Trump give a toss about democracy? TBH, I think as long as he is in power, he doesn't give a toss about anything else.

papa smurf 04-03-2017 21:28
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35888597)
In fairness to Mr K, I genuinely feel you have perceived offence when none was given. He has not passed judgment on Brexiters, he has discussed the reported profiling of those who voted to leave v those who voted to remain. I think that's it's an interesting debate that people should be able to have without fear of offending anyone.
i don't feel swivel eyed loony is a compliment

1andrew1 04-03-2017 21:29
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35888596)
You brought it up, you ask him. I don't care.
In fairness to Trump, I thought he answered this when he said that it was better for the unity of the country not to pursue this option.

Stuart 04-03-2017 21:34
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35888579)
Wrong, get the story right Mr K...he used a private email account not a private server, which was perfectly legal and above board, while he was Governor of Indiana, he broke no laws.
Depends what was discussed in the emails. If, as I have read, he discussed the security gates at the governor's residence, he may well have been discussing something that is classified. If that's the case, then yes, he did break the law.

1andrew1 04-03-2017 21:35
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuart (Post 35888599)
Those kinds of deals will not have been made in a few weeks, despite what Trump's administration says. They would have negotiated every single detail of the deal, and they are likely to have taken months, not weeks.

As Mick says, what we are told is not necessarily the truth. That runs true for the media, and it also runs true for the Trump Administration who have famously contradicted themselves, and established history in what they have stated. They have also shown they have a frankly frightening habit of banning the media outlets who disagree with them rather than ignoring them. Hitler's government started that way.

For democracy to work, we need a media that is free to question the incumbent administration.

Does Trump give a toss about democracy? TBH, I think as long as he is in power, he doesn't give a toss about anything else.
Many of those deals were re-announcements. Every company wants to present itself in alignment with the President. If green credentials are important then they'll brag about their green credentials, if US jobs are important then they'll talk up those jobs.
There's a good analysis in a chart in the article below listing those which are down to Trump and those which aren't. The headline is a bit click-baity but the article is good.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...or-gm-wal-mart

Mick 04-03-2017 21:40
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35888601)
In fairness to Trump, I thought he answered this when he said that it was better for the unity of the country not to pursue this option.
Well yes, I remember him saying that now so yes you are right, and I do actually agree with that stance.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuart (Post 35888602)
Depends what was discussed in the emails. If, as I have read, he discussed the security gates at the governor's residence, he may well have been discussing something that is classified. If that's the case, then yes, he did break the law.
Personal email account use is/was allowed under Indiana law so I doubt it.

1andrew1 04-03-2017 21:41
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35888598)
He profiled nobody, here you go again with your 'profiling Brexiteer' crap. :rolleyes:
He discussed a report on the characteristics of those who voted in v out. He has not "lambasted Brexiteers for not having any." [education].
After defending Trump I'm now defending Mr K! :)

Mick 04-03-2017 21:44
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35888607)
He discussed a report on the characteristics of those who voted in v out. He has not "lambasted Brexiteers for not having any." [education]
Mr K, has form when it comes to prejudices of Brexiteers, he has certainly lambasted them for his perceived views of them having no education, only the other day, he claimed they were living in cloud cuckoo land, but this is not the thread to keep going on about what Mr K's wrongful views are.

Mr K 04-03-2017 21:56
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35888608)
Mr K, has form when it comes to prejudices of Brexiteers, he has certainly lambasted them for his perceived views of them having no education, only the other day, he claimed they were living in cloud cuckoo land, but this is not the thread to keep going on about what Mr K's wrongful views are.
Been through this before Mick. The 'no education' was nothing I said, I linked to a Telegraph article showing the demographics of how people voted in the referendum. Those that had higher education levels tended to vote for Remain, it's a fact, not an insult, and doesn't make anyone's vote less valid. However think we're getting away from the thread subject - the Second Coming of he that cannot do any wrong...

papa smurf 04-03-2017 22:02
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35888610)
Been through this before Mick. The 'no education' was nothing I said, I linked to a Telegraph article showing the demographics of how people voted in the referendum. Those that had higher education levels tended to vote for Remain, it's a fact, not an insult, and doesn't make anyone's vote less valid. However think we're getting away from the thread subject - the Second Coming of he that cannot do any wrong...
and you lets not forget your vote;)

Osem 04-03-2017 22:14
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35888600)
i don't feel swivel eyed loony is a compliment
That's OK though, because as we all know, anyone who wants to leave the EU must be crazy. :D

Mr K 04-03-2017 22:22
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
'Swivel eyed loon' is not a phrase I've used towards anyone here. May have used it to describe Farage/UKIP, but just borrowed it from that nice bloke - 'Call me Dave' Cameron.

Anyway back to his holyness, the Donald....

1andrew1 04-03-2017 23:25
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This is a fascinating story which sounds convincing, albeit from a source dropped by Wikipedia's editors

Quote:
Mail on Sunday
Revealed: Tony Blair's secret White House summit as he launches astonishing bid to work for Donald Trump... as his Middle East peace envoy
Blair attended a secret meeting at the White House to discuss working for Trump
Held talks with Trump’s son-in-law and senior adviser Jared Kushner this week
The former PM and Kushner have met three times in secret since September
Could setback Theresa May’s hopes of forging ‘special relationship’ with Trump.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz4aP18bYv0

adzii_nufc 05-03-2017 02:31
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Where's the convincing part? Tony Blair, Middle East and peace all in the same article. Thats a whole new level of astonishing for the Daily Mail. Just a few weeks ago he'd apparently had super secret meetings with King Boris. Exclusive next week is that he's been advising Kim Jong un on how not to get sanctioned for war crimes.

RizzyKing 05-03-2017 02:55
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Blair needs scrapping off the guy really is delusional.

1andrew1 05-03-2017 09:29
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by adzii_nufc (Post 35888633)
Where's the convincing part? Tony Blair, Middle East and peace all in the same article. Thats a whole new level of astonishing for the Daily Mail. Just a few weeks ago he'd apparently had super secret meetings with King Boris. Exclusive next week is that he's been advising Kim Jong un on how not to get sanctioned for war crimes.
And it's been denied by Tony Blair
Quote:
Sky News
Tony Blair rejects Trump peace envoy claims
A spokesman for the former prime minister says "no discussions" had taken place about taking any role for the President.
http://news.sky.com/story/is-tony-bl...trump-10791137

Meanwhile. pressures mounts for Trump to show his evidence for the phone-tapping allegations with Republican Senator Ben Sasse saying Mr Trump's comments were "serious" and he should explain the alleged wire-tapping and how he came to know about it.

As someone (RED) commented about it on the FT "These seem to be the actions of flailing and desperate man; Trump would appear to be under extreme pressure to deflect the growing revelatory drum beat of Russian complicity and collaboration. But, Trump’s strategy to deflect, deceive, and frame the narrative through Twitter seems to be backfiring making him appear weak and feckless; blasting out one unsubstantiated allegation or bombastic statement after the other just makes him look like a fool with a tool."

papa smurf 05-03-2017 09:35
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[QUOTE=1andrew1;35888619]This is a fascinating story which sounds convincing, albeit from a source dropped by Wikipedia's editors



...........................



The making of a Wiki-Lie: Chilling story of one twisted oddball and a handful of anonymous activists who appointed themselves as censors to promote their own warped agenda on a website that's a byword for inaccuracy

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz4aRV6B0Jp
Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook

Mr Banana 05-03-2017 10:26
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35888647)
And it's been denied by Tony Blair

http://news.sky.com/story/is-tony-bl...trump-10791137

Meanwhile. pressures mounts for Trump to show his evidence for the phone-tapping allegations with Republican Senator Ben Sasse saying Mr Trump's comments were "serious" and he should explain the alleged wire-tapping and how he came to know about it.

As someone (RED) commented about it on the FT "These seem to be the actions of flailing and desperate man; Trump would appear to be under extreme pressure to deflect the growing revelatory drum beat of Russian complicity and collaboration. But, Trump’s strategy to deflect, deceive, and frame the narrative through Twitter seems to be backfiring making him appear weak and feckless; blasting out one unsubstantiated allegation or bombastic statement after the other just makes him look like a fool with a tool."
Trump lies far more than he tells the truth according to this - http://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/

1andrew1 05-03-2017 10:37
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr Banana (Post 35888650)
Trump lies far more than he tells the truth according to this - http://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/
Trump seemed to take one step forward in his speech to Congress but he's now taken two steps back. I think he has over-stepped the mark on his latest allegation.

Mick 05-03-2017 10:41
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr Banana (Post 35888650)
Trump lies far more than he tells the truth according to this - http://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/
Wonderful, you're sourcing a leftie, liberal-biased website. Think I'll ignore it then. :rolleyes:

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Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35888652)
I think he has over-stepped the mark on his latest allegation.
I don't.

nidave 05-03-2017 10:52
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35888605)
Well yes, I remember him saying that now so yes you are right, and I do actually agree with that stance.

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Personal email account use is/was allowed under Indiana law so I doubt it.
You are right however they are required to keep a copy on the government servers

Quote:
Indiana law requires all records dealing with state business to be retained and available for public information requests. Emails exchanged on state accounts are captured on state servers, which can be searched in response to such requests. But any emails Pence sent from his AOL account to another private account likely would have been hidden from public record searches unless he took steps to make them available.
Indiana Public Access Counselor Luke Britt, who was appointed by Pence in 2013, said he advises state officials to copy or forward their emails involving state business to their government accounts to ensure the record is preserved on state servers.
But there is no indication that Pence took any such steps to preserve his AOL emails until he was leaving the governor's office.
When public officials fail to retain their private-account emails pertaining to public business, "they're running the risk of violating the law,” Britt said. “A good steward of those messages and best practice is going to dictate they preserve those."
All of the emails provided to IndyStar, part of the USA TODAY Network, were ones captured on state servers.
The emails were obtained after a series of public records requests that the Pence administration did not fulfill for nearly four months before Pence left office.
The administration of Pence’s successor, Gov. Eric Holcomb, released 29 pages of emails late this past week. But it withheld others, saying they are deliberative or advisory, confidential under rules adopted by the Indiana Supreme Court or the work product of an attorney.
https://arstechnica.co.uk/security/2...it-got-hacked/

Mr Banana 05-03-2017 10:54
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35888654)
Wonderful, you're sourcing a leftie, liberal-biased website. Think I'll ignore it then. :rolleyes:

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I don't.
Mick, you keep quoting this leftie crap. If you are so sure he is gods gift to politics, go through that list and post a link which point out his lies are actually true.

Also - what do you think of his latest allegations regarding Obama and the tapping tweet?

Mick 05-03-2017 11:15
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr Banana (Post 35888659)
Mick, you keep quoting this leftie crap. If you are so sure he is gods gift to politics, go through that list and post a link which point out his lies are actually true.
I never said he was gods gift, I just like to point out how the hysteria on Trump is pathetically over the top.

And for the record, Politifact is left leaning:-

http://thefederalist.com/2016/12/16/...conservatives/

Quote:
All by himself, Trump has almost half of all the “Pants on Fire” ratings from the articles we scraped. Even outside of Trump, PolitiFact seems to assign this rating particularly unevenly. During the 2012 election season, PolitiFact assigned Mitt Romney 19 “Pants on Fire” ratings. For comparison, for every single Democrat combined from 2007-2016 the “Pants on Fire” rating was only assigned 25 times.

This seems to indicate Romney wasn’t just a liar, but an insane, raving liar, spewing malicious deceit at every possible opportunity. In the mere two years he was in the spotlight as a Republican presidential nominee, Romney somehow managed to rival the falsehoods told by the entire party of Democrats over the course of a decade. Or it is possible that PolitiFact has a slant in their coverage.
Don't really see a point on websites which rate certain stories 'Mostly false/True. It's either true or bloody false, or just one sided.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by nidave (Post 35888658)
You are right however they are required to keep a copy on the government servers


https://arstechnica.co.uk/security/2...it-got-hacked/
From what I read, I believe he made those emails available under the following rule that you quoted:

Indiana law requires all records dealing with state business to be retained and available for public information requests.

Mr Banana 05-03-2017 12:05
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35888661)
I never said he was gods gift, I just like to point out how the hysteria on Trump is pathetically over the top.

And for the record, Politifact is left leaning:-

http://thefederalist.com/2016/12/16/...conservatives/



Don't really see a point on websites which rate certain stories 'Mostly false/True. It's either true or bloody false, or just one sided.

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From what I read, I believe he made those emails available under the following rule that you quoted:

Indiana law requires all records dealing with state business to be retained and available for public information requests.
That's fine Mick but why can't you find any links to anything that points out his lies are actually true, including his latest allegation regarding Obama, which you don't appear to want to comment on?

Mick 05-03-2017 12:18
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr Banana (Post 35888668)
That's fine Mick but why can't you find any links to anything that points out his lies are actually true, including his latest allegation regarding Obama, which you don't appear to want to comment on?
To find links, I have to look and I have no intention of looking, sorry but I got far more pressing things to do on Sunday afternoon and looking for what is lies/truth on a left leaning website is not on my list of priorities. :)

On the Obama allegations not much to add, other than, I agree Trump needs to show what he has on his claims of wire-tapping. I believe he was wire-tapped, he has clearly been shown some intel from an FBI investigation on him that he is now privy to being the President. I think there is a certain sadistic element, call it a 'secret government' if you want, doing their best to try and bring him down. So like everyone else, I shall see how this plays out.

pip08456 05-03-2017 12:28
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr Banana (Post 35888668)
That's fine Mick but why can't you find any links to anything that points out his lies are actually true, including his latest allegation regarding Obama, which you don't appear to want to comment on?
I suppose this is as near as you'll get for now.

http://www.politicususa.com/2017/03/...es-russia.html

1andrew1 05-03-2017 13:10
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
What's going to be interesting is what Obama does. I'm sure Trump is quite happy throwing out the tweets and leaving it at that. Obama has denied the allegations but if Trump doesn't withdraw them then will Obama be happy to leave things like that? What can or will Obama do?

nidave 05-03-2017 14:28
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35888661)
From what I read, I believe he made those emails available under the following rule that you quoted:

Indiana law requires all records dealing with state business to be retained and available for public information requests.
He made them available (eventually despite it being required to be done in a timely manner) but we don't know (and probably will never know) if he made them all available. The fact they were hacked should allow someone to cross reference the two stacks of emails.

adzii_nufc 05-03-2017 14:31
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Maybe he'll send them to Paul Combetta :D

nidave 05-03-2017 14:32
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
The question which interests me.. what happens if proof comes out that Trump got Russia to influence the election. Hypothetically.. how would people react. I thought the Republicans were totally against Russia and the Russians

adzii_nufc 05-03-2017 14:45
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
The solution is proven and simple, you dish out free immunity to anyone that could implicate anyone. Tried and tested.

nidave 05-03-2017 15:27
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Despite Trump promises, Keystone pipeline won’t have to use American steel, from what I can gather its too late to do anything about it. You would think he was told about this before making a speech.

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https://www.ilr.cornell.edu/sites/il...012312_FIN.pdf

There are lots of sources where it comes out of Trumps mouth. It will be made out of US steel
http://www.cnbc.com/2017/01/26/trumps-plan-to-force-pipeline-makers-to-use-us-steel-is-dictatorial-and-a-bad-idea.html

1andrew1 05-03-2017 16:24
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by nidave (Post 35888689)
Despite Trump promises, Keystone pipeline won’t have to use American steel, from what I can gather its too late to do anything about it. You would think he was told about this before making a speech.

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...03/1.jpg:large

https://www.ilr.cornell.edu/sites/il...012312_FIN.pdf

There are lots of sources where it comes out of Trumps mouth. It will be made out of US steel
http://www.cnbc.com/2017/01/26/trumps-plan-to-force-pipeline-makers-to-use-us-steel-is-dictatorial-and-a-bad-idea.html
Trump has nothing to lose and everything to gain by making such a speech.
If criticised, he will just say it's fake news. His faithful supporters will say the press is left wing and biased. And they will say wait for the results of an investigation before jumping in to condemn him.

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Quote:
BBC
Trump wire-tap claim denied by ex-intelligence chief Clapper
The director of national intelligence at the time of the US election has denied there was any wire-tapping of Donald Trump or his campaign.
James Clapper also told NBC that he knew of no court order to allow monitoring of Trump Tower in New York.
Mr Trump had accused President Barack Obama of ordering the wire-tap, but offered no evidence.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-39172719

Mr K 05-03-2017 18:39
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35888695)
Well he's in on the 'conspiracy' obviously...

Wouldn't surprise me if Obama is behind ISIS and has single handedly caused global warming. Praise the Lord for the President's tweets ! It's the only way we find out the truth. Evidence is only asked for by liberal leftie traitors. And what's wrong with that nice bloke Putin anyway?

1andrew1 05-03-2017 18:48
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35888705)
Well he's in on the 'conspiracy' obviously...

Wouldn't surprise me if Obama is behind ISIS and has single handedly caused global warming. Praise the Lord for the President's tweets ! It's the only way we find out the truth. Evidence is only asked for by liberal leftie traitors. And what's wrong with that nice bloke Putin anyway?
Thank goodness you've seen the light Mr K or maybe you've just been testing us all along! I am slightly concerned by your mention of global warming as that is an entirely natural thing and not caused by Obama or mankind for that matter. ;)

Arthurgray50@blu 05-03-2017 20:57
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
All the info that l get for 'ranting' about Trump. Comes from American Media - such as The Washington Post, New York Times and CNN.

Members should read that.

I can just imagine Obama taking legal action against anther Presidnt. That would be great fun.

Trump is a ****. And as for my 'rant' on Arnie etc. Read the article. And it clearly says that Trump STILL gets paid for being Ex Producer on The Apprentice.

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Moderator . The bleeped out word is NOT n offensive word.

1andrew1 06-03-2017 00:11
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu (Post 35888725)
The bleeped out word is NOT an offensive word.
Why not write the actual word then?

TheDaddy 06-03-2017 00:30
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35888750)
Why not write the actual word then?
He did and the filter picked it up and starred it out

nomadking 06-03-2017 06:42
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by nidave (Post 35888682)
The question which interests me.. what happens if proof comes out that Trump got Russia to influence the election. Hypothetically.. how would people react. I thought the Republicans were totally against Russia and the Russians
And how did Russia influence the election? At most by releasing the TRUTH. Any hacking attempts were no different to the ones the rest of us get on a routine basis.

papa smurf 06-03-2017 07:26
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
to me Clinton came across as deranged she didn't need any help to lose .

Mr K 06-03-2017 07:54
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35888759)
to me Clinton came across as deranged she didn't need any help to lose .
Where as Trump comes across as the sanest man alive...

Even his best buddy at the FBI is now calling for him to stop telling porkies.
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.bbc...s/amp/39148306
Quote:
FBI director James Comey has rejected Donald Trump's claim that his predecessor, Barack Obama, ordered a wiretap of his phone before he was elected US president, US media say.

nidave 06-03-2017 09:58
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 35888758)
And how did Russia influence the election? At most by releasing the TRUTH. Any hacking attempts were no different to the ones the rest of us get on a routine basis.
does that not call into question the election results if they did influence and tamper with things. I am no fan of Hillary - AT ALL - but I don't get how people can defend any hacking/interference if true.

nomadking 06-03-2017 11:23
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by nidave (Post 35888778)
does that not call into question the election results if they did influence and tamper with things. I am no fan of Hillary - AT ALL - but I don't get how people can defend any hacking/interference if true.
Still no evidence of them hacking anything in the first place.

Osem 06-03-2017 12:09
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Given all the marches, riots, social unrest and predictions of far worse to come in the wake of Trump's appointment, I'd have thought the US would have been in a state of civil war by now or have I missed something? Where's all that outrage gone and how many of the 'celebs' who claimed they'd leave the US in disgust have done so I wonder...

1andrew1 06-03-2017 12:16
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35888765)
Where as Trump comes across as the sanest man alive...

Even his best buddy at the FBI is now calling for him to stop telling porkies.
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.bbc...s/amp/39148306
I don't think that's the right link. This is though:http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-39175962

It's truly "awks" for the President now he's effectively been called a liar by an FBI director. His aim of deflecting attention from the Russian hacking and chats seems to have backfired.

Mick 06-03-2017 12:18
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35888794)
Given all the marches, riots, social unrest and predictions of far worse to come in the wake of Trump's appointment, I'd have thought the US would have been in a state of civil war by now or have I missed something? Where's all that outrage gone and how many of the 'celebs' who claimed they'd leave the US in disgust have done so I wonder...
Well, there were rallies in support of Trump all across the US over the weekend, involving thousands of people in various towns and cities, but you're not hearing about that in the mainstream media are you?

It's too positive news for their Anti-Trump rhetoric agenda.... In one of his latest tweets, Trump thanks them for their support, but you're not going to see it mentioned in the media.

Only being reported in 'local' news outlets:-

http://miami.cbslocal.com/2017/03/05...esident-trump/

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Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35888797)
I don't think that's the right link. This is though:http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-39175962

It's truly "awks" for the President now he's effectively been called a liar by an FBI director. His aim of deflecting attention from the Russian hacking and chats seems to have backfired.
Rubbish.

1andrew1 06-03-2017 12:21
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35888794)
Given all the marches, riots, social unrest and predictions of far worse to come in the wake of Trump's appointment, I'd have thought the US would have been in a state of civil war by now or have I missed something? Where's all that outrage gone and how many of the 'celebs' who claimed they'd leave the US in disgust have done so I wonder...
I think they're all feeling certain that the President won't last two years so are happily staying put.

Mick 06-03-2017 12:31
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35888800)
I think they're all feeling certain that the President won't last two years so are happily staying put.
Well we all know how much of their 'feelings' are irrelevant, their same feelings told them he would not become nominated and survive the Primaries, he became nominated, then their feelings told them he would not become the President, he became the President. Go figure....

Osem 06-03-2017 12:38
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35888800)
I think they're all feeling certain that the President won't last two years so are happily staying put.
Really? There was I thinking they actually meant what they said and did? All that bluster and concern was just so much hot air after all then. Quelle surprise... :rofl:

I reckon a lot of them have already moved onto another bandwagon they can get all worked up about without risking their own privileged existences too much. Two years you reckon? Presumably the poor, desperate folks they said they were so fearful for can be left to suffer Trump for a couple of years while the great and the good bide their time and continue raking in the dollars. How very altruistic...

1andrew1 06-03-2017 12:42
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35888802)
Well we all know how much of their 'feelings' are irrelevant, their same feelings told them he would not become nominated and survive the Primaries, he became nominated, then their feelings told them he would not become the President, he became the President. Go figure....
If we could ignore the situation about Russian hacking and Trump being contradicted by the FBI over phone-tapping of Trump Towers then I would totally agree with you.
Having met US residents before the election who said take Trump seriously he could win, I was not as surprised by the result as others. Those same US residents are now saying these two situations could be the beginning of the end of his Presidency.

Mick 06-03-2017 12:53
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35888806)

I reckon a lot of them have already moved onto another bandwagon they can get all worked up about without risking their own privileged existences too much.
You're going to love this story then today....

http://news.sky.com/story/barbra-str...ounds-10792313

Barbara Streisand: Donald Trump is making me pile the weight on...

Total non-story: FAKE NEWS...

The media will use absolutely anything if carries his name in the title. :rolleyes:

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Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35888809)
If we could ignore the situation about Russian hacking and Trump being contradicted by the FBI over phone-tapping of Trump Towers then I would totally agree with you.
Having met US residents before the election who said take Trump seriously he could win, I was not as surprised by the result as others. Those same US residents are now saying these two situations could be the beginning of the end of his Presidency.
Wishful thinking by lefties and liberals who cannot accept the democratic result and are making up stories about Russian affiliation.

I don't believe ALL the stories in the press Andrew sorry, I don't follow them like lost sheep, like you and a few others do on this forum and I don't believe James Comey has made any such public or official statement to that effect.

The FBI don't normally discuss the inner workings or cases or potential cases publicly. They make announcements and that just has not happened that I see. At the end of the day, he is not going to dictate to his boss and tell him to stop lying, if Trump orders an investigation, I would say he has to obey him.

1andrew1 06-03-2017 13:03
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35888810)
The FBI don't normally discuss the inner workings or cases or potential cases publicly. They make announcements and that just has not happened that I see. At the end of the day, he is not going to dictate to his boss and tell him to stop lying, if Trump orders an investigation, I would say he has to obey him.
It's been so widely reported that if it wasn't correct then it would have been denied by now.

passingbat 06-03-2017 13:09
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Interesting interview with Mark Levin who was the person who arguably brought this to the public's attention via his radio show.

He quotes public newspaper sources including the Guardian and Washington Post as sources for the two FISA applications. The first one was rejected and the second, more focussed, accepted.

I think he's right that this needs a full investigation. Until that is done, I don't think we can trust the media, Left or Right, to give us unbiased reporting.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2eu-B5ZNPs

Mick 06-03-2017 13:10
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35888815)
It was screened on NBC's Meet the Press, Mick.
What was screened ? Is there news footage directly of Comey making such a statement, I will not believe written statements that can be made up or fabricated.

At the end of the day, Trump can still tell him to open an Investigation or his AG can order one. He cannot tell the President he will not follow his orders.

1andrew1 06-03-2017 13:23
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35888817)
At the end of the day, Trump can still tell him to open an Investigation or his AG can order one. He cannot tell the President he will not follow his orders.
I think the senate intelligence committee are investigating matters alongside the Russian hacking allegations. Never a dull moment for them or us!

passingbat 06-03-2017 13:31
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35888800)
I think they're all feeling certain that the President won't last two years so are happily staying put.

Well, that's one interpretation ;). Empty rhetoric or diva tantrum would be mine :)

1andrew1 06-03-2017 13:32
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by passingbat (Post 35888816)
Interesting interview with Mark Levin who was the person who arguably brought this to the public's attention via his radio show.

He quotes public newspaper sources including the Guardian and Washington Post as sources for the two FISA applications. The first one was rejected and the second, more focussed, accepted.

I think he's right that this needs a full investigation. Until that is done, I don't think we can trust the media, Left or Right, to give us unbiased reporting.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2eu-B5ZNPs
I think all that kind of stuff about FISA applications should be easy to prove one way or the other. Interesting times!

1andrew1 06-03-2017 23:07
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
This piece from Andy Borowitz made me laugh. :D
Quote:
Obama said that, when he first saw Trump’s allegations on Twitter, “My first thought was, Only a narcissist on the scale of Donald Trump would think people want to hear more from him than they currently do. If anything, I think we’d all like to hear way, way less.”
He said that his wife, Michelle, agreed that the idea of his wanting to hear more from Donald Trump “was one of the funniest things she’s ever heard.”
http://www.newyorker.com/humor/borow...cid=mod-latest

RizzyKing 07-03-2017 00:52
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Trump is playing to his audience and like it or not they are loving Trump and if anything support him more now then before and the more the media and the perceived establishment go after Trump the more they cement his support. I honestly don't think many outside of the rural and run down urban areas of america really understand what's happening and the constant attacks on Trump may be welcome to the better off urbanites and liberals but it's furthering the divide that's split far and wide already. Right now Trump is coming off more as the person with the interests of normal americans in his agenda then the rest and I'm starting to think there's a bit more planning and calculation in what Trump's doing then anyone has thought so far.

passingbat 07-03-2017 05:16
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by RizzyKing (Post 35888908)
Right now Trump is coming off more as the person with the interests of normal americans .

That's been the case from the get go. Normal Americans got it; they looked at his policies, and looked past the man himself. The political establishment panicked because they could see their cosy relationship with big business sponsors under threat. The mainly east and west coast morally liberal, politically correct people hated Trump because he was against the moral decline that had taken place under previous administrations, for example the bathroom laws. The Heartland of America still has a large Church going population that believes in Biblical moral standards.

'Normal Americans' get that countries are under threat from Islamic Terrorism; they've seen what has happened in Europe with uncontrolled immigration. So, they've looked at it from a 'plain common sense' view rather than the hokum of political correctness, and support the temporary travel ban and increase vetting from specific countries that are lacking background information in a potential immigrants documentation.

'Normal Americans' are well aware of the depletion of manufacturing, and also aware of the part that globalisation has played in this. It wasn't hard to discern from the two Presidential candidates, which one leaned towards a global world view and which one was focussing on rebuilding America's industry.

Mr K 07-03-2017 08:21
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by passingbat (Post 35888910)
That's been the case from the get go. Normal Americans got it; they looked at his policies, and looked past the man himself. The political establishment panicked because they could see their cosy relationship with big business sponsors under threat. The mainly east and west coast morally liberal, politically correct people hated Trump because he was against the moral decline that had taken place under previous administrations, for example the bathroom laws. The Heartland of America still has a large Church going population that believes in Biblical moral standards.

'Normal Americans' get that countries are under threat from Islamic Terrorism; they've seen what has happened in Europe with uncontrolled immigration. So, they've looked at it from a 'plain common sense' view rather than the hokum of political correctness, and support the temporary travel ban and increase vetting from specific countries that are lacking background information in a potential immigrants documentation.

'Normal Americans' are well aware of the depletion of manufacturing, and also aware of the part that globalisation has played in this. It wasn't hard to discern from the two Presidential candidates, which one leaned towards a global world view and which one was focussing on rebuilding America's industry.

Plain common sense, lol. That's one thing they haven't got. The vast majority of US terrorism is home grown. Most of it from these right wing Bible bashing nutters. And why only 120 day ban ? If there is a threat does it dramatically go away after that ?? And why is Saudi Arabia not included, the home of terrorism??

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...-a7557266.html

And what does 'from the get go' mean? Have you copy and pasted from Fox News?

passingbat 07-03-2017 09:16
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35888916)
And why only 120 day ban ? If there is a threat does it dramatically go away after that ??

Because, in that 120 days, they are reassessing vetting procedures and modifying them if necessary. The problem with these countries is lack of adequate background information in the documentation provided. Iraq has agreed to provide more information enabling it to be taken of the list. At the end of the 120 days, it will be reassessed; some countries could be taken off or some other countries could be added. Don't forget it was the Obama Administration that identified these countries as needing special attention.

1andrew1 07-03-2017 10:43
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35888916)
And what does 'from the get go' mean? Have you copy and pasted from Fox News?
PassingBat is using globalist language, not a term used by us Brits. ;)

---------- Post added at 10:23 ---------- Previous post was at 10:21 ----------

Quote:
Originally Posted by passingbat (Post 35888926)
Because, in that 120 days, they are reassessing vetting procedures and modifying them if necessary. The problem with these countries is lack of adequate background information in the documentation provided. Iraq has agreed to provide more information enabling it to be taken of the list. At the end of the 120 days, it will be reassessed; some countries could be taken off or some other countries could be added. Don't forget it was the Obama Administration that identified these countries as needing special attention.
Shouldn't it be 120 days less the time (40 days or so) that they've already had to do their research when the first ban was announced? Starting from 120 days gives the impression that it will just be continually renewed.

---------- Post added at 10:43 ---------- Previous post was at 10:23 ----------

Quote:
Originally Posted by RizzyKing (Post 35888908)
Trump is playing to his audience and like it or not they are loving Trump and if anything support him more now then before and the more the media and the perceived establishment go after Trump the more they cement his support. I honestly don't think many outside of the rural and run down urban areas of america really understand what's happening and the constant attacks on Trump may be welcome to the better off urbanites and liberals but it's furthering the divide that's split far and wide already. Right now Trump is coming off more as the person with the interests of normal americans in his agenda then the rest and I'm starting to think there's a bit more planning and calculation in what Trump's doing then anyone has thought so far.
It's all a clever deflection game, Trump knows what he's doing:

Quote:
With this tirade, for instance, he didn’t just change the subject, he scrambled it, a trick completed when the White House asked Congress at the weekend to include consideration of the Obama administration breaking anti-snooping rules, including possible wire-tapping of Trump Tower, in its incoming investigations into possible Trump-Russia ties. Plenty of Republicans have already said they will go along.

Thus several things have happened. Now when the subject comes up of Russia and Trump, the default response of Trump’s supporters, at least, will be, “Ah, but look at how much worse Obama was”. It’s like the school bully responding to being told off for some random act of violence by concocting something much worse about someone else in the playground. In the meantime, any White House official who is asked to offer substantiation for this Saturday morning’s Tweets can now shrug and say it is a matter for Congress to sort out.
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/...-a7615071.html

Mick 07-03-2017 10:53
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35888929)

It's all a clever deflection game, Trump knows what he's doing:


http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/...-a7615071.html
I think you will find, Obama Administration has been reported to have form when it comes to spying games. Spying on their own allies, France, The WTO, UN's Ban Ki Moon, so why not Donald Trump ? :rolleyes:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...ry-clinton-ban

Quote:
Questions are being raised by former UN staff, such as Stephen Schlesinger, author of a book about the organisation, who said today that the spying was not a surprise – but what was, is the Obama administration's continuation of a policy begun by the Bush administration.

Osem 07-03-2017 11:41
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35888936)
I think you will find, Obama Administration has been reported to have form when it comes to spying games. Spying on their own allies, France, The WTO, UN's Ban Ki Moon, so why not Donald Trump ? :rolleyes:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...ry-clinton-ban
No, that's all lies concocted by Trump apologists to deflect attention from his heinous crimes. :D

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Quote:
Originally Posted by passingbat (Post 35888926)
Because, in that 120 days, they are reassessing vetting procedures and modifying them if necessary. The problem with these countries is lack of adequate background information in the documentation provided. Iraq has agreed to provide more information enabling it to be taken of the list. At the end of the 120 days, it will be reassessed; some countries could be taken off or some other countries could be added. Don't forget it was the Obama Administration that identified these countries as needing special attention.
Yeah but Trump in charge now and it's all his fault because he's nasty and Obama isn't so there! :rolleyes:

1andrew1 07-03-2017 11:55
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35888943)
No, that's all lies concocted by Trump apologists to deflect attention from his heinous crimes. :

Yeah but Trump in charge now and it's all his fault because he's nasty and Obama isn't so there! :rolleyes:
Trump's in charge so he can just check if phone-tapping was authorised by Obama in five minutes. It's not rocket science.
Obama was no angel and Mick was right to point this out.

Mick 07-03-2017 12:15
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35888952)
Trump's in charge so he can just check if phone-tapping was authorised by Obama in five minutes. It's not rocket science.
Obama was no angel and Mick was right to point this out.
Problem is there is still a lot of Obama loyalists liberals still in place because Trump has not yet got all his picks confirmed by Senate, these Obama folk probably doing their best to rock the boat. Trump needs to fire them all Apprentice style.

passingbat 07-03-2017 12:36
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35888916)
And what does 'from the get go' mean?
Really?

tweetiepooh 07-03-2017 12:44
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35888952)
Trump's in charge so he can just check if phone-tapping was authorised by Obama in five minutes. It's not rocket science.
Obama was no angel and Mick was right to point this out.
As if "they" would disclose everything.

Either they could hide it because it's their nature or so "the prez" has deniability.

passingbat 07-03-2017 12:45
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35888929)

Shouldn't it be 120 days less the time (40 days or so) that they've already had to do their research when the first ban was announced? Starting from 120 days gives the impression that it will just be continually renewed.

You could always pop over to America and find a way to take a law suit out against them ;) I think they would probably let you in :D

Stuart 07-03-2017 13:31
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35888936)
I think you will find, Obama Administration has been reported to have form when it comes to spying games. Spying on their own allies, France, The WTO, UN's Ban Ki Moon, so why not Donald Trump ? :rolleyes:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...ry-clinton-ban
The thing is, how would they profit? Obama was not allowed to stand, and if the Democrats were caught profiting from it, even if they had won, the presidency would have been tainted. They didn't win, but it's entirely possible that if they were caught, they may still be tainted, and lose the next election as well.

In short, while I don't claim either political party is innocent, and I don't believe that of any politician, I think the potential risks of wiretapping a presidential candidate outwiegh the potential benefits, both for the sitting president and his party.

On the other hand, Trump needs something to distract people from the rumours of his own campaign staff having links with a foreign power, and the various courts overturning his ban.

1andrew1 07-03-2017 13:33
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
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Originally Posted by passingbat (Post 35888962)
You could always pop over to America and find a way to take a law suit out against them ;) I think they would probably let you in :D
I'm interested to see if Obama takes out a lawsuit against Trump for his evidence-free phone-tapping accusations.

Mick 07-03-2017 13:37
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Trump has just tweeted the folllowing:

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Donald J. Trump‏ @realDonaldTrump 21minutes ago

For eight years Russia "ran over" President Obama, got stronger and stronger, picked-off Crimea and added missiles. Weak! @foxandfriends
He is not wrong.

1andrew1 07-03-2017 13:57
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
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Originally Posted by Stuart (Post 35888968)
The thing is, how would they profit? Obama was not allowed to stand, and if the Democrats were caught profiting from it, even if they had won, the presidency would have been tainted. They didn't win, but it's entirely possible that if they were caught, they may still be tainted, and lose the next election as well.

In short, while I don't claim either political party is innocent, and I don't believe that of any politician, I think the potential risks of wiretapping a presidential candidate outwiegh the potential benefits, both for the sitting president and his party.

On the other hand, Trump needs something to distract people from the rumours of his own campaign staff having links with a foreign power, and the various courts overturning his ban.
Good points.

Mick 07-03-2017 14:00
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35888969)
I'm interested to see if Obama takes out a lawsuit against Trump for his evidence-free phone-tapping accusations.
I said above that there were reports that Obama has a history of spying on folk, even friends. So I ask again, if he happily spied on ally's, Ban Ki Moon... why not DJT ?

1andrew1 07-03-2017 14:21
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35888977)
I said above that there were reports that Obama has a history of spying on folk, even friends. So I ask again, if he happily spied on ally's, Ban Ki Moon... why not DJT ?
Obama just continued an existing Republican scheme. Are you saying that existing Republican scheme Obama inherited and continued would have involved spying on Trump then?

adzii_nufc 07-03-2017 14:39
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35888980)
Obama just continued an existing Republican scheme. Are you saying that existing Republican scheme Obama inherited and continued would have involved spying on Trump then?
Yes. I'd probably agree with the idea Obama spied on Trump, I'd also agree with it being a continuation of existing ventures. I reckon Obama was probably scoped out himself by the previous POTUS. I wouldn't be that shocked to know they all spied on each other to be honest.

In fact, strangely enough, Vault 7 just appeared via Wikileaks which is detailing the incredible tools the CIA are currently using, it's both disturbing and far worse than expected.

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CIA made NSA style database with less accountability
So the CIA are evidently doing as they please, and there's nothing saying they're actually answering to anyone, so what if Trump's right about being tapped, but wrong about who's done or doing it.

1andrew1 07-03-2017 15:59
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
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Originally Posted by adzii_nufc (Post 35888984)
So the CIA are evidently doing as they please, and there's nothing saying they're actually answering to anyone, so what if Trump's right about being tapped, but wrong about who's done or doing it.
If Trump believed that to be true then he would be prioritising it. He's not.


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