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Yep, even sounds like bullying. But you know what? I just suck it up.
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I can see that you're becoming upset, so let's leave it there. Take care :) |
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I don't see Russ getting upset.
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Honestly, there’s no shaming in saying “Sorry, I was wrong”. |
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Any chance we can stick to the topic, stop it with the provocative character assassination tones or this thread will close.
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The Digital, Media, Culture and Sport committee has today accused facebook of deliberately and intentionally violated privacy & anti competition laws:
https://www.parliament.uk/business/c...blished-17-19/ Amongst other things eg fake news, they have called for a compulsory code of ethics overseen by a regulator and for websites to be obliged to take down 'harmful' content. They also want the regulator to be given legal powers to take action against those in breach of the code. |
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Just another colossal waste of money to create a huge bureaucracy that will not really achieve anything useful. |
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Why don't you think it'll achieve anything Paul? Even if it only covers the 10% of the internet available to most people, I think it will have a massive impact. |
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The Metropolitan Police have now started including online bullying/trolling in their online report form:
https://www.met.police.uk/ro/report/...eport-a-crime/ |
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We haven't needed to do anything like this in the past because while paedophiles, terrorists and all sorts of bad people have existed as long as humans have, modern technology has made it easy for those people to communicate with each other and potential victims. Frequently using methods that cannot easily be monitored by other people who can help. Take bullying. When you and I were kids, any bullies would be able to upset their victims by insulting them and making them look bad in front of their friends (or any group). They may have been able to do so in or out of school, in the local town or where-ever the person hung out. Once the bullying was sorted out, there would likely be little physical evidence it had every occured and the victim could get on with their life. Now, Bullies have access to all the previous physical locations they used to bully victims. They can also bully the victim on many social media websites (facebook, twitter, thousands of forums etc), the evidence may well be publicly available and, unless the websites can be persuaded to delete the evidence, it will stay for years, possibly even coming up in any social media searches done by prospective employers (which, for the record, is something I don't like, but happens). Also, insulting people based on their gender, race, any disabilities, and a whole range of other reasons is already illegal, but what can the authorities in this country do if the poster refuses to delete the offensive content, the site is hosted abroad and the owner of the site refuses to do anything? I believe the changes in the law are designed to help get something done. Let's face it, Google, Facebook and Twitter can make it very difficult to get content deleted even if includes beheadings. |
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Totally agree with you Stuart, something has to be done as it's now getting way out of hand.
Facebook have, up until now, sought to justify refusing to take down innapropriate posts on the grounds of free speech, but now appear to be taking matters more seriously. In the past they refused to take down hate speech against a wheelchair user, but Tommy Robinson has now had his Facebook and Instagram accounts closed due to 'violating community standards': https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-47371290 He is now officially barred from the platform due to hate speech. Facebook made it clear that they would not tolerate an environment of intimidation and exclusion towards minority groups. In addition, PayPal & YouTube are refusing to do business with him. |
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That'll be about 85% of facebook and twitter accounts gone in the next 6 months then . . if the bosses stick to their word :rolleyes:
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None of the groups or people I link to exhibit those behaviours, as I wouldn’t join a group or be "friends" to anyone who did. It’s a small, but very vocal, minority. |
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The trade body 'The Internet Association' (they represent sites such as facebook, Google, Twitter etc) has written to the Culture, Health and Home Secretaries in an attempt to influence the ongoing negotiations over new rules for the internet.
They have asked for: - A distinction to be made between illegal and harmful content that is posted. - Intermediary liability. (Basically, this means that they don't want to be held responsible for the things that their customers post). - Machines rather than moderators to remove most content. - A distinction to be made between what is posted publically and what is sent to people in private messages. This has been interpreted by the BBC Media Editor as a pre emptive strike that recognises that regulation is now needed, but tries to ensure that the internet isn't "pulled in a direction that's bad for business". |
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I think on most sites that PM's are quite literally private and only a team member with administrator priveleges can view them? Moderators can only act when a recipient reports the PM and also sends a copy to the team.
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On most sites (inc this one) administrators dont have direct access either, only someone with actual database access could read them.
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But if a complaint was made, do you then get access?
. . if a complaint was made |
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Again, no.
The functionality simply does not exist in the software, complaints would not magically change that. |
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The royal family have now issued guidelines on how to behave on their social media channels:
https://www.tatler.com/article/royal...ls-with-police Those who do not follow these guidelines and post offensive, inflammatory, hateful, discriminatory etc comments face sanctions including being reported to the police. |
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Facebook does offer the option to lock down your profile so that it's only accessible by friends and apps/pages you've given access. I am unsure if that is switched on by default, because I've been a member of facebook for years (I locked down my own profile), and am not going to set up another facebook account just to check this. Generally, on my timeline ,I see posts from friends, and pages i've "liked", and the stuff I read on my timeline is stuff I am usually interested in, even if I don't agree with it. The problem comes because even if the account is locked down, it is entirely possible that someone bad (be it a bully, ISIS recruiter or whatever) can get your facebook details and request a friendship. They can do this by genuinely appearing friendly, even using tricks to appear more friendly. Or they can threaten you. I don't have accurate figures, but I suspect that the vast majority of social media users are just normal people. People who use facebook to keep track of old friends, use it to comment on other posts, and post the odd photo of family or a good night out. People who use Twitter for the same. |
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Tbh, don't know why anyone uses Facebook or other social media if they value their own privacy. FB have already shown they can't be trusted with anyone's data.
Don't give your details/ info out is the best policy. People are far too lax giving their phone nos, details to all and sundry, then complain when they are inundated with junk or have their identity stolen. |
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https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/06/t...vacy-blog.html They say that private messages will be encrypted, so that even facebook can't access them. I still don't trust them. |
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It is up to you how much info you lay out in FB. You don't have to put everything about you anywhere on social media. You don't have to provide anything about you re your life is you don't want to. There are a number of sites that keep asking for my mobile number so they can check that I'm me.I just don't provide it. As a result I get no spam texts or phone calls.
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I would think that, whilst it will make it more difficult, they would be able to circumvent the encryption eg if someone is suspected of plotting a terrorist act. This mornings 'Crimewatch Roadshow' said that hate crimes had nearly doubled to 100,000 in the last five years. Sam Renke, a wheelchair user, told how she had received online comments such as 'It's not just uncomfortable, it's creepy', 'That thing isn't normal', 'Disgusting, freakish and awful', Ew, she is disabled' etc. Professor Imran Awan, Government advisor on muslim hate crimes, talks about the impact of hate crimes on this community. If anyone wants to watch it, episode 4 is about 36 minutes in and lasts for about four minutes: https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00ss27z |
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If you could circumvent when you wanted then it would be completely useless. |
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The man who invented the internet has written a letter to express his regret that his invention has become "A space for those who spread hatred" and urged Governments to "crackdown on this and not be defeatist":
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencet...-internet.html |
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A man who called a footballer a "Black donkey" in a message has been arrested on suspicion of sending a malicious communication:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/47552029 Looks like they are starting to use the Malicious Communications Act to help tackle online abuse. |
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It seems that the things posted online has reached a new low:
https://metro.co.uk/2019/03/22/peopl...-dead-8981558/ This has made me feel physically sick. I wonder if they thought that posting pictures at Auschwitz for 'amusement' ever entered their heads and was grossly disrespectful to over a million people and their surviving relatives who were murdered here? |
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Mark Zuckerberg now accepts that regulators and Governments should play a more active role in controlling the internet and asks for their help:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-47762091 |
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The great wall of Europe incomming.
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The Government has now announced that they will be creating an independent regulator (paid for by the tech companies) to oversee inappropriate content on the internet to make the UK "the safest place to be online on the globe".
Websites who break the rules could be blocked, face substantial fines and their senior management could be held personally liable for any failings. A newly introduced 'duty of care' would require sites to deal with harmful content and become responsible for the safety of their users. There are also calls for annual transparency reports to show the statistics for harmful content and how they are addressing it. These new rules will apply to any site of any size that allows users to share or discover user generated content or interact with each other and includes social media, file hosting sites, forums, messaging services and search engines: https://www.itv.com/news/2019-04-08/...e-safety-laws/ A twelve week consultation will now take place before draft legislation is published. |
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It's the mainstream media(eg soaps, films, etc) that are broadcasting and encouraging harmful content.
With the internet people are SELECTIVELY LOOKING for particular content. The initial idea is already there in their minds. So where else does the initial idea come from promotion by the mainstream media and possibly other people around them. They are putting thoughts in people's heads that weren't there beforehand. |
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The biggest set of "adverts" for a particular behaviour come from the media reporting on it. |
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Las year, advertisers spent $40 billion on sponsored content on Facebook - they don’t do that for the good of their health. Just because you don’t understand/agree with it, doesn’t mean it’s not true. https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...7&d=1554741576 |
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But how many even remotely related to harmful content? That STILL leaves the question of "where did the INITIAL idea spring from".
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For instance, their friends like internet gaming, and some of them look at 4Chan stuff, which then feeds their friends other stuff that other gamers and 4Chan users like, which could then show up in the person’s FB or Twitter feed. |
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Eg there are SO many things that I only have any knowledge of, because of the media banging on about them. If the media didn't say anything, LESS people would have even the faintest notion of those things. Classic long time example is the media going on about thin runway models and anorexia. How many girls would be aware of it, if it wasn't for those gripes by the media? |
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That does not mean the media don’t bear a lot of the blame. They do, but it’s not either/or. It’s both. |
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Facebook has just announced that far right people and groups are to be banned from their platform in an effort to control hate speech and stop the encouragement of discrimination, hate, attack or exclusion against people for simply being who/what they are:
https://www.theguardian.com/technolo...-britain-first This is a far cry from their previous line that such posts were acceptable in the name of free speech. I suspect that they are trying to clean up their act before the new legislation comes in. |
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It won’t control hate speech. This will just move it somewhere else.
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whats troubling is as centrists get pushed out of the main social media companies they can end up finding alternate ones when they can find themselves around real nazi's and communists.
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"The Chatham House survey published on Tuesday found 55 percent of Europeans from 10 different nations agree that Muslim immigration should be stopped."
half of europe are nazi's? https://www.washingtontimes.com/news...ation-stopped/ |
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The Independent is reporting that Adam Mosseri, the boss of Instagram, has said that help is needed by social networks to stop online trolls and that they "cannot stop people saying mean or nasy things" alone.
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"No, free speech isn't under threat...but some debates should be shut down".
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On behalf of facebook, Nick Clegg has today called for more regulation to stamp out harmful content, hate speech and fake news.
I'm pleasently surprised that internet sites are doing the right thing as it's long overdue. Too many lives have been lost or ruined. Source: The Telegraph. |
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The Equalities and Human Rights Commission has made a report highlighting this only today. Manchester Law Centre has launched a campaign to let people know what's going on and to call for restoration of legal aid for the most vulnerable in society. |
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The Church of England has announced ten new digital commandments to try and improve online interaction:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...-social-media/ These include: - Do not share sexually explicit, threatening or discriminatory posts. - Speak to others online the way you would speak to them in person. - Remember that your posts could remain online forever and that you can be held accountable for them. - Be aware of childrens safety. - Verify the accuracy of everything you share online. |
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I think internet moderation is beyond even god's abilities and patience.
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Instagram have introduced a feature whereby posts are checked by AI. If the post contains hurtful or offensive comments, a "are you sure you want to post this?" message will appear.
I don't think that this will do much to stop those out to cause deliberate upset, but it might stop posts posted in anger. |
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So "hurtful or offensive" in who's opinion exactly ?
How can an AI possibly know whats either of these. |
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Let's hope Boris puts an end to snowflakism in politics. All this political correctness is driving many of us up the wall. |
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Gary Linekar (and others) are to use a new initiative to deal with trolls:
https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/new...ncing-16923908 There was also an interesting programme the other day about someone who suffered mental health issues after online bullying: https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p07lsr4d |
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I mean who would have thought it eh ? block and report trolls, amazing stuff. :rolleyes: Next they will realise they dont have to even read it - or better still, just dont use twitter at all. :erm: Its almost as revolutionary as when people first discovered the TV off button, when programmes they dont like come on. :dozey: |
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The Royal College Of Psychiatrists has called on the recently announced independent regulator for online safety to take measures to deal with online abuse, including a mandatory ‘duty of care’ for companies and for the regulator to have enforcement tools to not only issue fines, but also block access to sites and potentially impose liability on individual members of senior management:
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As part of efforts to improve their platform, one of the most prolific trolls, Katie Hopkins, has had her Twitter account suspended whilst her account is investigated for hateful content, some of it retweeted by Donald Trump:
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So its ok for them to hate Katie ?
Have they suspended Donald Trumps account as well ? Dont get me wrong, Katie is a complete muppet, but twatter should not be randomly suspending accounts just becasue someone "demands" it. That said, the world would be far better if all these antisocial media sites were shut down. |
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Everybody has a right to an opinion.Everyone has a right to express that opinion. However that doesn't mean everyone to listen to that opinion.
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I don't think that Katie's particular brand of hate should be tolerated. Nor do I think the brand of hate often spouted by those that consider themselves politically correct. I certainly don't agree with Twitter that Trump should be allowed to tweet his brand of hate because it is historically significant. It may be historically significant, but that does not mean it's right. That said, Trump gets a lot of publicity (and therefore views) for twitter, so of course they are going to give him a little more leeway. |
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Look if I don't like something on social media I just block the person.As I said before I don't have to listen to people expressing their views.
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Looks like this was done as a result of pressure from Rachael Riley (countdown host) and the Campaign to Counter Digital Hate (CCDH).
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CCDH . . . no not the Apache stuff, the gang mentioned above.
Seems a bit dodgy to me from reading an article from last September ;) https://medium.com/@tennissocialist/...h-b1d6f5204bc7 made me smile anyway |
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Ofcom have been chosen to be the regulator that will deal with online bullying etc. They have reiterated that they intend to make accessing the internet in the UK the safest place in the world:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-51446665 This follows numerous failed attempts to make websites self regulatory, eg not doing enough to prevent harassment/bullying in the first place, or failing to take down offensive material quickly enough or at all. Seyi Akiwowo welcomed the 'Online Harms Bill' after setting up the online abuse awareness group 'Glitch' following sexist and racist harassment online. |
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Another huge waste of money and government inteference. :rolleyes:
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