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Well, it is time that changed because as a nation we don't have to accept that.

Some MPs do put the country first and think about the effect on the people.

Other's don't and they are the ones we need to vote out.

Considering the state we are in MPs -our decision makers - need a pay cut not a pay rise.

A fish rots from the head and it is clear that in general we have a corrupt, self-seeking government which sets a poor example to others. All the allowances and expenses available to MPs need to be massively reduced and they need to do what the rest of us do i.e. spend our own money.

Things need to change and quickly.

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Agreed. We really do need politicians who put the country first not their own self-interests.

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No, not to the extent it is now, sure politicians have always been a breed apart... but now, they're almost traitorous to their country, it's a big step change.

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Anyone watching Skynews?

It seems the EU has woken up, it's heard us but a bit to late....

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Juncker says we are "slaves to the financial markets" an as far as London goes that's true.

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We don't need to settle for the same sort of deal as Norway or Switzerland. We are at the bigger and better end of European countries. We are more of an equal to the likes of Germany or France. It is essential that we realise and take account of our true worth. The rest of the EU has a lot to lose without our cooperation.

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It's becoming increasingly obvious that the EU/EC our government , remain voters, pollsters, journalists, never looked outside of London when asking about Brexit.

The EU seems to have just realised Britian is not just London and the banks.

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The rout of the markets has stopped for now thankfully. Hopefully things calm down and any recession isn't too prolonged at least until we know what our relationship with Europe will be. Unfortunately the pound isn't exactly rebounding so imports and petrol will still see price rises unless it increases in the coming days.

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I wonder when the UK Government and opposition will realise the same?

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You could have posted that in the Euro 2016 thread too! ;)

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https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/local/2016/06/9.jpg

This is getting out of hand.

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Unfortunately, Dave did too and he communicated that restricted view to EU leaders. No wonder they are shocked when the leave vote won.

It's a shame the EU cannot come up with a package that will keep the UK trading with Europe in a way that solves the problems of a conflicted nation and meets the needs of both remain and leave voters, as well as restoring good relations with our friends from the EU.

It's a pity Mrs Merkel did not help David "naughty nephew" Cameron as he has paid the price for trying to push through an EU policy to an unhappy British public.

The EU needs reform. We know that. They know that. We, the general public, are not looking for a special deal just for ourselves but a better deal for all the EU countries as there are people there who are just as unhappy as we are, as the Euro MP elections showed.

One of the clinchers for me was a French guy interviewed on television somewhere in the UK who when asked what the UK should do said we should leave. I wonder if Francoise Hollande was listening?

There is massive discontent across Europe and the EU needs to stop being in denial and start listening. Then they need to act to address the problems hightlighted. It's not rocket science. It's common sense if you want the UK and the EU to be happy, peaceful, fairer and prosperous places.

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After consideration, I'll admit to being wrong.

Earlier I felt it would be better to hold off on triggering Article 50

I think given a sensible populace & politicians that would still be the right thing to do.

given that all of our politicians are turning out to be twunts of the highest order, I hope they invoke it PDQ.

I have a real concern that it may never get pressed if the new guy kicks it into the long grass or if somehow someway there's a GE and it just gets sidelined.


Cameron screwed up by not hitting it asap the voting ended, ain't hindsight a wonderful thing.

As for the rest, we'll have to wait and see, hopefully my gut is misleading me.

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No sorry had to dash out but I thought you were referring to the News article at the weekend. That'll teach me to read.

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Since there were over 16 million Remain voters, and around 4 million Remain voters in London, that part of your statement is invalid.

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Where's all the bad EU news gone eh? This temporary hysteria seems to have blinded a lot of folks about what the other option was and what's going on over there. The other option wasn't common sense or sound economics, it was remaining tethered to a broken club run by someone called Juncker who even now is plumbing the depths of credibility and still won't accept he and his ilk are to blame for steering the EU towards break-up.

If we'd voted the other way there'd no doubt have been a temporary positive blip the other way and thereafter things would have gone back to basics and the markets would have crashed every time there was more bad news from Spain, Italy, Greece etc.

Honestly, to listen to some people you'd have thought 2007/8 (or any of the other financial crises) have never happened and this was a first. The markets were expecting us to remain in and when they realised they'd got it wrong, the result was a correction in the already well overvalued stock market and a fall in Sterling due to the resulting uncertainty. Contrary to what some people are saying, this really isn't the end of civilisation and no we're not going to see gangs of union flagged thugs roaming the streets of our towns and cities beating up all foreign people. After the short term fear and emotions have settled a little, things will be sorted out. The reason? Well because sorting them out is in everyone's interests and even the likes of Juncker won't be able to resist. Is anyone really telling me that the Germans will sacrifice their car industry to hurt the UK? Is anyone really telling me the Spanish will want to stop all those Euro-spending UK holidaymakers propping up their decimated economy? It isn't going to happen and all that's going on right now is a largely media driven frenzy which has more to do with filling airtime/pages than anything else. A few days ago it was the Jo Cox murder dominating our news media, before that it was football hooliganism, before that migration, Syria, Isis, the Ukraine etc. etc. etc. The media may not make the news but they certainly do determine how they present it, what balance they apply and how much detail they go into. What we all know for sure is that 24hr rolling news has an insatiable appetite and the more they can stoke up feelings/emotions/fears etc. the more there is for them to report.

Seriously some folks need to calm down and remember that markets rise and fall - take a look at where the FTSE has been over the last few years and put this all into perspective. Right now the weak pound is making our exports and visiting the UK as cheap as chips, so it's not all doom and gloom. Once reality sets in, the markets will once again start taking stock of what's going on in the EU and suddenly the UK will look a better bet and Sterling will rise. FGS this is what happens in world markets all the time. I dare say when it does there'll be people whining about that too however...

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Aye just wish they'd get on with it now and get us the hell out altogether. I'm feart the new Government will try to scupper it and I think Cameron is hoping that too. Let's do it now!

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Hunt said on Skynews earlier he may run for prime minister, an he thinks A50 needs triggering....... Wait for it............ Definitely before the next general election in 2020!!!! So that could be a day before, but then of course it would need to wait till after the election due to uncertainty.

I can see some pretty nasty civil unrest happening!

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Didn't hunt say he wanted a 2nd referendum? Or a referendum on negotiations? I wouldn't want him as PM anyway.

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Yeah he did, he obviously wants Labour or UKIP to have a lot of seats in the commons. If they don'tish the button on A50 that will be the end of the tories in Britian and definitely in England. Labour tried to ignore the Scottish and look what happened to them in Scotland.

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I'm so chuffed for Farage, he finally got to say this to Junker et al:
link
:D

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Lets just cancel the referendum and go back to how things were before all this nonsense started.

Too much carry on going on.

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Yes let's ignore a majority vote in a democratic referendum, then when Scotland ever do vote to leave the UK just ignore it, or if they vote to remain then SNP should just leave anyway.

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You mean "lets get back to the comforting safety blanket of being told what to do and how to do it" by an unelected elite? :D

Here is what we have just got away from:
http://www.collective-evolution.com/...tatesofeurope/

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Calm down and have a cuppa tea . Everything will be just fine ;);)


When adversity strikes, that's when you have to be the most calm. Take a step back, stay strong, stay grounded and press on.

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That's one option. The other is to panic and go crazy. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p4m-lNi61Rk

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Well, no one can say he hasn't earned it. The most effective non-PM politician in a long, long time.

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I think one "problem" for some people is the fact of the English, they've actually spoken and no one knows what the hell to do about it. So just pretend it never happened delay, postpone, ignore brand them racist tell them to be quiet those little Englanders will soon go away.

Not sure about the UK as a whole but if Brexit hasn't happened before the next general election UKIP will romp it in England.


NO THEY WONT!

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An as for Brexit causing divisions in the UK, this what Wales did when Iceland scored against England....but this little Englander will still cheer Wales on.

https://youtu.be/BdDap_YcMb4

Those are professional footballers at a unstable time in the UK!

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A majority of people didn't vote leave. Imo voting should've been compulsory in this referendum and there should of been independent thinkers giving facts not opinions about the EU, just simple this is what they do for us, this is what they cost us and they should've been shown giving these facts at prime time across all channels a number of times. I find it disturbing that in the hours after voting closed the most popular UK Google search is 'what is the EU'

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They have to get on with it. Until Article 50 is invoked there will be no formal nor informal talks.

http://metro.co.uk/2016/06/27/eu-lea...gered-5970164/

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Wasn't really a clear majority. It was a really close result.

Should have been a minimum of 60-70% before it was classed as a confirmed result.

The MPs though could technically reject it and stay.

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It's funny that now that the EU has come clean about forming the EU Army they haven't published how the army will be created, how it operates and what effect it will have on the younger voters who opted to remain in the EU.

I think the forming of the EU Army is potentially dangerous. Let's imagine a scenario. Russia threatens Ukraine. Ukraine appeals to the EU for help. The EU responds by placing EU army troops on the ground in Ukraine to forestall a Russian invasion.Russia feels threatened. What happens next? It could be that a major conflict arises. EU Leaders are asked to supply troops.If the UK does that the UK itself becomes a potential target for aggression. We have already had several air and sea incursions into UK airspace and UK waters.

Might be helpful if the EU clarified how the army would be created and operated and how it will effect those elegible for recruitment.

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The Scottish independence referendum result stood, 55% voted stay , and you stayed. Or do you think the SNP should overrule it? Remember Scotland may well have another referendum of it's own, will that result stand?

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The government are caught between a rock and a hard place.

Remain and run the risk that the UK is perceived as weak, with the EU voting away matters agreed with David Cameron because the deal had to be ratified by EU leaders.

Leave and take your chances that the deal made, if there is one, might be better or indeed worse than the Cameron deal or even the status quo now.

We won't really know anything until the Conservatives elect a new PM.

Either way it's going to be a really sensitive diplomatic matter to deal wwith.

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Maybe all the people so busy frothing at the mouth on social media, and filling in bs petitions, should have been a bit more passionate about voting... the % difference to swing it wasn't that big, it would have made the difference.

Tough titties really to them.

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God knows how a EU Army would work, assuming an none NATO member of the EU army is invaded, then a nato member of the EU army is involved. Is NATO then obligated to join in? So then it's our problem if we're in the EU or not. I don't think a EU Army and NATO can exisit.

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There is a lot of behind the scenes work going on. Labour are drawing up a proposal with, I presume, the mini manifesto leave had. Whilst I'd like A 50 to be invoked sooner rather than later we have to have a plan before we can do this.

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Oh come on. It's over lets get on with it. Would you be saying that if it had been 51 - 49 in favour of remain?

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The result was in no way a clear majority of the country


Just to be clear i voted to leave and i could not agree more with this statement .Voting in referendums should be compulsory and i think in a split decision like this one we should have another one with compulsory voting and if still split then the status quo stays in place.I also think that allowing the government to campaign or even any group to campaign is wrong in referendums we should just be given facts like Daddy says above,enough to allow an informed decision.

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I voted out, but I knew it would be chaos if we left, my vote was mostly a protest vote to immigration. Never imagined the result would be an out vote.

I think there is a chance the result wont be acted upon, but I dont think it is the most likely result. We now in a tough position facing to have to negotiate trade deals as a small country and that includes to the EU members who seem to have now adopted a child mentality in how they want this to go.

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Slight increase in the Pound And the FTSE is 6,149.40 +167.20 (2.79%)

Onwards and Upwards ;););)

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Compulsory voting is a pipedream that should be avoided at all costs. What are you going to do if they don't? Drag them to the polling station? Are you going to watch while they place their cross? What if they spoil their paper?


Voting is a right that each and every person (legally) in this country has, they also have the right not to vote if they so wish.

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There has always been talk of another referendum because of the close split


I'll bet us leavers would be

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In an election i fully agree but a referendum is not a vote for a person or party,it is simply a statement by an individual .Compulsory voting is used in many countries including some in Europe and Australia ,it's not that unusual

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The problem is you, just like the others crying now, treated this referendum just like a General Election without realising what you were voting for.

A referendum is not the place for a protest vote. It is a vote voicing your opinion on the question asked and nothing more i.e. stay or leave.

You voted leave so live with it.

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The difference between winners and losers can be milliseconds.
in this case it was over 1 million people difference.

Voted out won. so we leave.
if we stay in the rest of the world will just see us as weak. all talk and no action.
which we are anyway. we're a pathetic country. we are the pansies of the world.

our Bulldog is a Chihuahua.
Know yourself, Britain.

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/local/2016/06/7.jpg

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Got to agree with this

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I suggested a long time ago that voting papers should have a box marked "I do not wish to vote for any of the above parties/options".

If in the present situation voter turnout is low then the government tend to assume that it is voter apathy and do nothing.

If however all voters go out and vote by ticking the box of their choice and people tick the "no vote" box the government does not have that excuse.

Indeed they have a duty to find out why voters found the choice of parties unacceptable or not worth voting for.

It's a way for unhappy voters to provide feedback to the parties giving parties the opportunity to re-examine the policies that voters do not want to vote for.

I'll bet no-one from government asks Leave voters why they voted to Leave and thus the matter remains unresolved.

If nothing changes and we have a second referendum more people may vote but because matters are unresolved and unaddressed the result could be still the same.

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What scares me is that I know Chrys, and appreciate he is an intellegent person yet he didn't realise. He's helped me with problems well before my accident a few years ago. (I've recovered well enough thanks, nearly back to normal if I knew what that meant.)

What does this say about the Intellegensia of this country???

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So we base the intelligence of our nation on the fact one cableforum user doesn't understand the difference between a referendum and a general election? In that case he would of been better of not voting.

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I think that Chrys feeling he must make a protest vote to the government means the government have not done their job properly in informing the voters properly of the consequences of their decision .In Chrys' case he felt that he had to protest immigration as a lot do and their only avenue was through the referendum ,that is 100% down to the various governments of the day for not properly informing people or allowing reasoned discussion on the subject,i would definitely not call it unintelligent just uninformed.

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Or we could use some of your posts:rolleyes:

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I think there were several reasons for the low turnout and the unexpected result:-

a) some voters simply forgot it was voting day because they were doing something else and were distracted so no votes from them.

b) some voters went to Glastonbury expecting there to be a voting booth there, but there wasn't so no votes from them

c) some voters were busy elsewhere on voting day and were supposed to organise postal votes but never got round to it so no votes from them

d) some voters were really confused about the issues and did not know which way to vote so no votes from them

e) some voters - the really apathetic ones - weren't bothered by the outcome and didn't bother to vote so no votes from them

As a consequence we really need to improve the way we as voters vote for issues and parties in this country and all voters need to take the time and trouble to properly organise their voting arrangements.

It also places a responsibility on political parties to make clear to voters what their policies are and give information about the consequences of voting for them.

In the case of the EU referendum it was a shambles by politicians and voters alike that led to the unexpected result with Leave voters being a bit more organised than Remain voters. There is a lesson here for all of us. Don't forget to vote.

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We are great whingers in this country ,brilliant at identifying problems but when it comes to doing anything about those problems it's all "i'll do it next Tuesday" ,or weather looks a iffy today maybe tomorrow"

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I don't think people can complain if they do not vote on serious national issues and the outcome is not to their liking.

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But they will ;)

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There is no truth that it should have been a minimum of 60-70%

The rules were it was the first passed the halfway line, the numbers that are mentioned in the petition made up by the submitter, incidentally, the starter of the petition is a Brexit supporter.

Our politicians brag about how we have brought democracy to the world and when it comes dow to out own country they do not respect it at all. Brett won by over 1,000,000 votes and democracy says they one, any government who tries to overturn that will not be in government long.

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Actually the person who started the poll did it back in May when he expected a remain result.

He did however word it for a change in the rules which means no matter how many sign it, it won't mean a thing to the result of this recent referendum.

The rules cannot be changed after the fact.

Nice try by Remain though.

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Remainers were very clear before the result, even a difference of ONE VOTE would be accepted, remain also said A50 would be triggered the next day, bunch of liars.

Personally the best thing to come out of the referendum (outside of London) is the massive sense of community in England. For the first time ever as a white English man I feel part of a community and it's a community that I won't let go of!

I'm sure everyone here agree it's great that the English finally got a healthy sense of community.

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Of course people can be unhappy about things every country has them we have all at one time or another been unhappy about something but there was a vote a majority voted for something and unless we're prepared to bin our history we abide by it but don't have to be happy about it. I voted leave but I'm unhappy at the moment at the way the country has responded, unhappy at our politicians who despite the low bar the public set for them have limbo'd under with plenty of clearance and unhappy with how the EU has responded.

I had hoped this vote would make the EU wake up and realise they have issues that need resolving but instead it's a case of get the UK out and carry on as before. Anti EU sentiment is not unique to the UK it's widespread across western Europe and growing because people have had enough and want change. I have no time for farage or ukip and will never vote for them but it's a joke they are more in touch with people then any other party in the UK. We have been let down by successive politicians to the point we have ended up with inept self serving morons who view voters as nothing more then trouble.

As to the question of "if remain had won by the same margin" I'd have been disappointed but would have accepted it as I was prepared to do I didn't believe leave was going to win said so on this forum. Ignoring 17 million voters is not the answer to any of the problems we now face neither is ignoring the 16 million but the result was what it was we have to proceed in a way that best satisfies all but follows the vote and that means leaving the EU. Also trying to interpret why people voted the way they did is redundant now people on both sides may have had their votes influenced by the misinformation and half truths from both camps there is no way to quantify.

Let's put the pressure where it belongs right now onto the politicians to do what the people told them last week and because that is what they are paid to do, or we can carry on as we are get nowhere fast and further divide this nation.

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Now you come across to me a racist. I know plenty of people of different colours who were born here. Being English is not a colour.

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Indeed. Why not go the full way and adopt a Russian System? Vote how you want as long as it's for me.

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OMG Don't let Remainers know about that !!!'

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No but I am white , explain why you think what I said is racist? Unless you think being white is racist? Or you think stating your race is racist?

Sorry pal but your life of being casually racist is over! It all changed Friday , call me a racist call me a thief, call me a red arrows pilot. Neither is true and I don't care if you think I'm either of those.

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I'm totally with you on this Hugh, but I wish that the forum had a definitive policy on this so that everybody knows where they stand:

http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/27...wed-forum.html

I did assume that the leave result would force the EU to adopt concessions (mainly on immigration and sovereignty), but after watching this I feel I may have been too optimistic:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode...reign-minister

Even the former Polish Foreign Minister accepts and understands that the British are fed up with the amount of Poles coming over here!

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We can't get on until the Conservatives elect a new PM and they do not seem to be in a hurry to do that even though the £ is under severe pressure and shares are dropping rapidly in value.

It is similar to the Titanic band playing on regardless while the Titanic was sinking instead of taking action.

MPs need to get on before the damage done becomes irreversible.

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The fact you are white is not racist at all, I am also white. The fact you seem to need to stress it whereas I don't seems odd.

We are both white, you seem to think it means more than anything else. I don't.

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If Cameron did the right thing and invoked article 50 now then we could progress, It is not the politicians who do the deals it is our Diplomats and Civil Service, they cannot do anything until it is invoked, Europe has told us so.

Invoke A50 and let them get on with it.

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Yes it's not like leavers lied about immigration lied about money and lied about control at all is it.

What sense of community are your talking about when the country is utterly divided?

Why do need to single yourself out as a white English male to be part of your new found community?

But hey let's invoke A50 without any sense of the way forward.

What do you propose access to the single market, EEA trade under normal WTO regulations? how much of this fabled sovereignty are you willing to give up for access?

J

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Given that we can't see each other and can't rely on avatar photographs as an indicator of colour, a comment can easily be misunderstood because the poster is perceived as being one colour when they are actually another.

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If we invoke A50 and parliament vetos the Brexit we will lose all established benefits. They may even force us to adopt the EURO.

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He has been asked by both the civil service and Leave campaigners not to invoke it. We shouldn't invoke it until we know what we want.

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Don't worry that will not happen , Brexit is happening!

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Given that David Cameron got the verdict so wrong he felt that he could not continue and opted not to put the his fellow Conservatives on the spot until they were ready to deal with the EU.

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True. it's like myself. I'm black, but a lot of people think I'm white.

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The rest of Europe say no informal deals until invoked. 2yrs to decide what is wanted and should be decided sooner than that.

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So you think a Black women's centre that stress's the fact it's for black women is racist? Or any black person that stressed their colour is racist?

You're from a time that is now over, saying you're white English is fine. Move with the times or stay in your out of date state of mind..

But anyway, you called me a racist on a public forum, you're going to have to back it up!!!

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To invoke Article 50 Parliament must first revoke the 1972 European Communities Act as that is still law. Invoking Article 50 will start that process and give us plenty of time to do a deal with the EU as to trading.

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Ideally on any forum nobody should be posting racist comments and the colour of any poster on the forum should be irrelevant in any discussion in which people have differences.

If someone has to resort to racist comments to make their point they have lost the argument.

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Yes I do think a Black Woman's Centre is racist. Racisism works both ways. As a White Englshman I think your stressing the fact is rasist.

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See I think a Black/Asain women's centre of which there are many is very very important to those community's. So please explain why you feel they're racist?

An "racism works both ways"... What the hell, racism never works and you're either racist or you're not. You can't be a little bit racist.

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I am not, never have been racisit.

"Works both ways" is simple. For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction.

If you are racisit towards anyone they will be to you.

It's about time you researched the history of the English People. At least I have and can argue on my behalf of what being "English" means to me.

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That would mean the UK going unprepared into negotiations with an EU that has already prepared what it is going to accept or offer.

The new PM will have to research and prepare a number of options so that they can switch options if the EU knocks them back on their first choice.

Remember too that our EU Commissioner, Lord Hall has stepped down as he does not support Brexit so we need a new commissioner but that won't happen until we get a new PM who will have the job of appointing and instructing a new EU Commissioner.

As we only have 2 years to sort things out we need to know right from the start what we want so we can avoid wasting time discussing unnecessary things.

It is going to take a while to get things sorted and organised hence the reluctance to invoke Article 50.

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BTW I can trace my family tree over 200 years so far.

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Fascinating, I think mines about the same. As will be most on here.

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Some thoughts here on the likely new Conservative leader Boris Johnson.

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/boris-john...115005244.html

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So what is different about being White English from Black English?

what has colour of skin to do with anything in this thread ?

Does that mean Black English man can't be part of that community ?

Are you a dumbass?

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Do you think it means black people cant be part of that community? I've been for brown stew just last week at a black equality centre, it's only £4.50 for brown stew rice and peas.

But yeah community's do and can intergrate, you really are stuck in a time that no longer exists aren't you?

Am I a dumbass? No, but you can think I am if it gives you a feeling of feeling you're better than me. If you don't start understanding the world you live in, you're going to be left behind.

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Every racist i know say they have a Black friend .

Every Homophobe i know say they have a gay friend


so what is different from being White British to Black British ,there must be a difference because you thought it important enough to mention

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I said I was white English, which I am and it's important to me. Ask a black man if being Black is important to him, I would never be so ignorant to even try to answer that.

But to me being white is important, because it's an important part of my cultural heritage and a massive part of who I am.

But like I said previously, I suspect to haven't yet realised your views are part of a way of thinking that is no longer acceptable.

An as for every racist you know having a black friend and every homophobe you know having a gay friend... I'm not here to judge the kind of people you choose to have as friends or spend time with.

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British is British skin colour has sod all to do with it and a person's skin colour is no indication of the person. All of this is irrelevant as skin colour has no play in this people of all colours voted for both sides so as I said irrelevant.

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I'm trying to establish what community you belong to that demands being White English as opposed to just plain English .

What views are those then

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I never said I'm part of a community that demands being white lol, I just said being white is important to me. You seem to be struggling to accept that I find being white an important part of who I am.

An your statement "what views are those then" makes no sense, or are you talking on behalf of the black Comunity?

I'm going to post these comments on the "The voice Online" Facebook page. See how the black community feel.

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Let's hope that we get some more feedback from the Conservative party in the next few days about how things are progressing about the appointment of the new PM. Quite a few people have already declared their candidature.

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The fact that you are white has no bearing whatsoever on how you should feel about the result and the fact that you even saw fit to mention it means that the colour of your skin is very important to you which is a very bad thing


With respect Russ but if the result of the referendum makes RBMark part of a White British community then I worry ,but i will leave it there as per your request

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Yeah Hopefully we get some forward movement in the coming days and at least a "pencilled in"'timetable of how things will progress.

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Seems like everything is a worse shambles before the referrendum, No one knows what is happening, I think we are worse off now in Scotland, N S is going to fight to stay in and we have gave her another excuse to break up Britain, What a disaster we are in now,

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We are in a fine mess currently that's for sure nash.

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I think it is a case of wait and see. At this point we don't even know if the referendum result will be implemented by the new PM.

If it isn't then Nicola Sturgeon has nothing to worry about.

If it is then we will have to wait and see what deal we get as it might be something Nicola Sturgeon can live with if it still permits trade with Europe.

The ideal solution would be a deal that offers something to those who wanted to remain and something to those who voted leave.

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To be fair a fear campaign won the general election.

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What gets me is that at the moment the out voters views are being held to ransom by the prime minister.

I think he's stalling it that much so the whole country goes tits up so he has an excuse to dissolve the results of the referendum and take back control or something along those lines.

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What's done is done. The positive thing is that the markets have stabilised for now so the immediate threat is gone. The main concern now should be the amount of companies freezing investment, hiring and looking to move out but at least in the latter case they're all 'exploring' the option so if we stay in the single market that will ease up.

We're probably entering a recession but we're not looking at a banking collapse. This is bad but at least it's not 2008 bad.

Don't want to jinx it obviously. I think the real problems mostly come if we decide to pull out of the single market. If we don't this is just a bad year imo.

The bigger positive though is that what is happening to the Labour party is very, very funny.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHPOzQzk9Qo

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http://news.sky.com/story/1718888/th...t-near-commons

Thousands of people are protesting outside the Houses of Parliament against the result in the EU referendum.

Sky's Jason Farrell says the protest appears to be spontaneous and without apparent leadership.

Groups of demonstrators are singing songs and chanting slogans, many of which are aimed at the leaders of the Leave campaign.

Shouts of "no more hate", "down with Boris", "leaders not liars" and "there's no plan", according to several posters on Twitter.

The crowd has also been singing Hey EU, to the tune of The Beatles song Hey Jude.

Farrell says the size of the protest is much bigger than the pro-Corbyn demonstration held in Parliament Square on Monday night



You see these are the losers....look at their ages in the photo they look like students how can you take them seriously they follow FADS they have no control and most of them couldn't even be bothered to turn out for a vote.

WE have a population of spoilt brats that have lived in society where everything has been done for them and haven't had to make decisions.

I voted out because of reasons like this because we have a generation of people that think they can have it their own way all the time no matter what.

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There won't be a rerunning of the vote, if you do then British democracy is down the pan and chaos is the only way forward. An if a bunch of London students who only care about their London banking sector jobs think they will change anything they're Sadly mistaken.

17million honest voters being over ruled by a lesser number of corrupt none democracy respecting thugs will unleash havoc on the UK.

Who wants a country where 17 million are told they don't count? Leave them with nothing, they will leave you with nothing. Unless the army is going to surround London? Brexit has to happen, the alternative I suspect is worse then some economic uncertainty. How many of those in London tonight are the children of wealthy bankers? How many are the children of long term unemployed Welsh or English family's with little or no prospects?

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I am glad that it's bigger than the Pro-Corbyn protest. For all the talk of 'a kinder form of politics' there is something very visceral and nasty about some of the Momentum stuff.

It's not exactly spontaneous. There was a planned rally for Trafalgar Square but it was cancelled on safety crowds, however it appears people turned up and heading down to Parliament.


Yes they are losers but democracy doesn't stop. So what if they're students? Also I imagine the people minded to go to this protest are the ones who did vote.

This does though apply to all generations. At least the people here are doing something. Personally I have more respect for them than the people who do nothing, don't vote 'because it doesn't make a difference', and think unremitting cynicism about politics is somehow commendable.