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No but that story didn't get anywhere. They did move +2 towards Trump when the FBI had the press conference about not recommending charges but calling her very careless.

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Ed Klein though - Guilty as sin author... notorious Clinton hunter. It's the same idea I suggested earlier, Comey is under pressure and he's stupidly dove in head first and now he looks the prat.

Even if by miracle he turns something relevant up, his job is surely done.

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...31488794923008

Check the date.

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Imagine if something in the e-mails had come up after the election and he didn't told anyone? It's a no-win situation really. If Clinton wins then she'll be glad he did it because it wouldn't help if it emerged they were secretly investigating her a week before the election.

His problem was the letter made it the case seem a lot more serious than it currently is. He should have been clear that they currently had no idea if anything of relevance would be found.

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To be fair to him, it was the slant the Republican Chairs gave it which hit the headlines, not his original letter.


But he should have known it was going to happen.

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If he hadn't made a botch of the first one it wouldn't have been this late. Everything going on is his own fault. If he turns something up, he's still being scrutinized for those failings the first time round. If he doesn't turn anything up then it's even worse and the FBI as a whole will suffer from it.

There's no sane scenario where this man is still employed as FBI director after this. It's America though...

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The Huma Abedin/Anthony Wiener issue has been known about for a while. It's been a stick to beat Clinton with before.

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It would have been. This is new evidence (if there is any).

We risk judging him on decisions where we don't have all the information he did or know the legal implications as well.

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never stopped anyone before:)

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All this blame game on Comey is all a bit delusional, he did the right thing re-opening the FBI case, he had no choice. It is being said, there was an FBI Mutiny going on behind closed doors, all because the first time attempt to get her indicted failed.

Wikileaks has since released revelation after revelation, very much to Clinton's annoyance, but the law states, law enforcement's can't use evidence obtained illegally, however, they can use Weiner's laptop data now that a Warrant has been issued. They now have to sift through 650,000 found emails on Weiner's Laptop.

They knew she was an out and out liar regarding her emails but it appears before the last investigation concluded, we can all guess that she must have had help to cover her tracks, lots of emails vanishing from her private server, as Trump said 'Acid washed' and people, who worked closely with her, taking the 5th Amendment etc etc, when being interrogated by the FBI.

Now history is a very hard thing to erase. Let's rewind only 8 years ago..... when the current President Obama said the following about HC back in 2008, this was one of his official campaign ads:-

"Hillary Clinton, she'll say anything to get elected." AND "Hillary Clinton, she'll say anything and change nothing." Barack Obama, 2008.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vGqD8-a-REQ

This was only 8 years ago, yet only 3 days ago he campaigned for her in Florida, also his wife, Michelle, did not say nice things about her 8 years ago either, and now she is the best thing since sliced bread, yeah right, bloody hypocrites, the lot of them. The stench of Democrats, sleazy at their best and I am convinced more and more that with her as President, WWIII is a distinct probability, maybe this infowars campaign ad released recently, is not so far fetched as it looks.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VoI7KMJuQBw

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I always thought Obama would turn out to be a US version of Blair.

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The Wikileaks are unrelated. They're e-mails from her campaign manager whereas this is about a insecure private server she used whilst at the State Department.

I think most people just accept that it's part of the political game. Obama appointed her Secretary of State in his first term so he clearly had some confidence in her.

Just as an example of that here is Trump praising Clinton back in 2008: http://edition.cnn.com/videos/politi...e-jnd-orig.cnn He's changed his tune as well.

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But he will the first one to throw her under the bus, if his own reputation is at risk, oh wait...

Already seen it. But your point is moot, Trumps opinion changes from Positive to Negative, where as Obama's changes from Negative to Positive. It's not linear, where Trump's is.

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He wouldn't be under any pressure had he not dished out immunity deals then have one of them backfire and leave him looking like an idiot. Something that then made the rest of the FBI look like total fools. You know when reddit find more evidence than your organization does, after you've given the key witnesses immunity for no viable reason. He's still got to take some of the stick for this.

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Don't really see why changing your opinion from negative to positive is wildly different from going the other way.

People behave differently when they're in the midst of a political campaign compared to when they're back on the same side. It happens all the time in political campaigns. Look at Ted Cruz's 100% volte-face on Trump.

Anyhoo. Nevada voting numbers looking decent for Clinton: http://www.ktnv.com/news/ralston/the...ly-voting-blog

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Reddit's investigatory skills don't have a good track record.

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In fairness it was all concluded on Combetta's own stupidity. He was the one dumb enough to dump static IP's and his own car in posts that traced all the way back to him. How was a guy like that ever tasked with scrubbing Emails?

I know people should be safe online etc and it takes an arse to dig through your stuff to expose you and be a troll but come on. Unless there's two Paul Combetta's that own the same Pontiac, worked for Platte River and assisted E.T (Whilst kindly dumping their network logs and evidently static IP) and both live and work in Denver then it was him.

That's just that though.

These folks seem to be happy to work on the basis it was Combetta: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=amMsn3dfVU4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQcfjR4vnTQ

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Just a heads up, Trump knows whats in the new emails :D

Think, then speak. He does himself no favours sometimes. He'd have been perfect for claiming there were WMD's in Iraq then

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If he'd kept his head down, did and said nothing, he'd be home and dry by now....

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Meanwhile, more revelations come out from Wikileaks that Hillary Clinton was leaked some questions that were asked at the debates from the Primaries stages.

http://money.cnn.com/2016/10/31/medi...ion/index.html

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My God and we thought the Brexit referendum was toxic! This whole thing has become a joke and in not very many days one of these people is going to be running the show over the pond. :spin:

Is this just the media creating/exaggerating news or something much more sinister at the heart of US politics?

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America is becoming increasingly polarised and we have two of the most unlikable candidates for President in a long time. The news doesn't help though, it's very hysterical. Although I suspect the internet is more to blame for the current feeling as people retreat more and more into confirmation bias and bubbles.

Whole books and studies could probably be done on this. Anyone who claims they can explain it away easily is probably lying. I don't think it's too dissimilar to Brexit in some respects, the divide in society, but it's not as nasty here.

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Whoever finally wins this is going to be the president of a very divided and angry nation and if clinton gets in and pursues any anti gun stance it could become a much more violent nation. In all my time having americans as friends there has never been the sense of anger and lack of faith in their country as there is now, i take the gun owner's with a pinch of salt as they have become increasingly defensive over the last 15-20 years. My friends from both political parties just cannot see either candidate as a good potential president and have little faith in either to do whats best for ordinary americans it's all very depressing.

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Completely true. I feel like anyone could've ran against Clinton without even trying.. Trump on the other hand seems to say a lot of things to ensure he's not elected whilst apparently still trying to win.

Come on though. 'The Motherlode' not even the FBI know their head from their ass right now but Trump seems to be a step ahead :dunce:

Silly statement.

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The motherland might have been a better choice of word considering what's about to hit the fan about the donald. His handlers back in Russia are bricking it to, gulag awaits

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SHOCK CLAIM: Clintons are a ‘CRIME FAMILY’ as bad as the GAMBINO MOB, ex-FBI chief says

HILLARY and Bill Clinton have sensationally been branded a "crime family" by a former assistant FBI director.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/...sidential-elec

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From your link... [quote]The former director, who is a Trump supporter,]/quote]

Obviously does not have an overt agenda, then...

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The former director, who is a Trump supporter, also criticised the handling of the FBI investigation into the presidential candidate's emails, claiming it was impeded by Attorney General Loretta Lynch – a Clinton ally.

also from my link.

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I remember when you used to just post stuff from the Daily Wail. The Daily Sexpest makes it look rather timid by comparison.

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i know but its all i have to work with and it does provoke some interesting responses ;) oh and its free :D

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To be fair Lynch was already up there for criticism with Comey anyway so its not really a shocker.

Clickbait headline.

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Donald Trump overtakes Hillary Clinton for first time since May in ABC poll

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...-a7390696.html

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Mick is the only person to have been calling this one right all along.

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I think the media is to blame for quite a lot of this because they increasingly seem willing to report/propagate all sorts of nonsense, the extent to which they do this being linked, to a greater or lesser extent, to those paying the bills. Once news is out there it's easily distorted, spreads like wildfire across the internet and is impossible to stop. There are those suffering with terminal confirmation bias who'll lap up what they want to hear and spread the word but there are many more, I believe, who can have their views changed on the basis of anything ranging from blatant lies to slight exaggerations if they're exposed to enough of them.

Where are we heading with all of this I wonder? I think this is only going to get worse with elections, referenda etc. being increasingly influenced, delayed and undermined by different factions and vested interests beyond the control of any govt. which doesn't choose to operate like N. Korea. Our freedoms might just be catching up with us and ultimately result in us losing some of them because that's the only way things can function effectively... :erm:

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I think we underestimate how much it is our own confirmation biases direct the media though. They're feeding us with what we want but because to be commercially successful they need a rather broad base the mainsteam press isn't as bad as the Internet. The internet though can go even more hyper-partisan as appeal to a narrow group feeding them everything we want to hear.

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Not the only one, just the most vocal

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Trump can win. The polls show him losing. Those polls are getting closer but they still favor Clinton at the moment. The map itself still looks difficult, he'll have to keep all the states where he is currently ahead and the swing states then also switch one currently blue. He'll need Florida, North Carolina, Ohio, Nevada and then flip either Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin, New Mexico or Colorado.

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That is how l see it but alas my predictions can be wrong sometimes.;)

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Most people don't watch the news for entertainment, they watch for information and the way in which that information is presented will affect how they react to it. Clearly some people prefer certain media outlets for the reasons you cite but I reckon that when it comes to the news, most of the time, most people don't feel all that strongly about it either way, they're just trying to keep abreast of what's going on in the world.

What we do know categorically, though, is that commercial reasons do affect their output in various ways and they have a vested interest in sensationalising whatever they can in order to fill their airtime/pages. Those outlets with a definite and deliberate political bias such as RT will of course be highly selective in what they do/don't cover and IMHO it's the gradual drift in that direction coupled with the power of the internet to distort matters which means we're either going to wind up running around in circles not knowing what to do or working ourselves up into a frenzy of rabid outrage every time a decision, election or whatever goes the wrong way and we feel we have to overturn it. Who'll be the winners from that state of affairs? Maybe the resulting paralysis and disquiet will be the reason for someone to come along who's authoritarian enough to effectively seize control and thereafter dictate what we're told and how we're allowed to react. :shrug:

I don't like the way the world's heading. Freedom is a wonderful thing but too much freedom exercised the wrong way can be a very dangerous thing and they could be on the verge of that situation in the states. It'll be interesting to see the outcome of the election over there and what happens next. I wouldn't be surprised if there's trouble.

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My American pals are telling me today that some States that do allow vote reconsideration in the early voting stages, so those Americans not happy with their vote for Hillary have asked to change their vote to Trump.

The latest revelations as well that Hillary cheated by being given some of the questions, in some of the earlier debates has not gone down well at all either.

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On Mick's point.

http://heavy.com/news/2016/10/early-...-donald-trump/

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I reckon there's going to be an even bigger bombshell dropped this week.

No wonder she's urging everybody to get out and vote early in all the states that have early voting.

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I am starting to think Trump is actually going to pull this off now though. I have that feeling it just became all too possible again for him to take the White House.

People are circulating an 'update or something' from the FBI tomorrow. No actual source, seems like chinese whispers to me. Even if it was true it wouldn't be anything significant. Can't see it actually being true though given the media coverage since :erm:

Of course there is the possibility Wikileaks follow up this:

By Podesta, with proof, which would signal intent.

Context: People get the impression this occurred: Obviously Podesta was referring to dumping all the emails on the Clinton Server. In other emails they indicate that they have cleaned it up so they are OK. So, I expect that they had no idea that everything sent to Huma got backed up on the Weiner Computer. In which case, Trump would have his 'Motherlode' - Take it with a pinch of salt though, assumptions never go wrong...

I still feel that if Wikileaks had something significant they'd have dropped it a while back. Then I think, what if they drop the atomic bomb the night before the election. Many people are banking on Wikileaks to 'save them'

It's still massively unlikely any of this will be significant before the election. It's a sure bet to just continue on regardless of the Election. Becomes a lot easier if Clinton loses of course but we'll see.

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I think you're right. Good journalism is crucial to democracy and I think one of the things that is currently undermining it is both people's distrust of the media causing them to seek even more partisan reporting and the fact that an absolute truth doesn't seem to exist anymore. When nothing is true anymore and the answer to any story, any evidence, is that 'well, that's one side of it' then we'll never agree on anything. How can we agree when there is no common ground?

This suits some people's agenda though and you've nailed it when you say it causes disquiet and paralysis: http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/29/wo...formation.html

I only disagree with you on the last line:

I am not sure what the alternative is and I think any clamp down will be exactly the reaction the enemies of the West, and there are enemies of the West, want. Look at how much of a PR coup for Russia Natwest closing their accounts was. RT/Sputnik are constantly on the lookout for examples of Western hypocrisy to justify Russia's lack of a free press.

We are in dangerous times though and I do worry.

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You need to find which state (or states) would flip. Let's give Florida to Trump, Ohio, North Carolina, and Nevada to Trump (the last two have Clinton ahead in average polling). We assume all the states learning towards Trump he wins. You still fall short. You need one of the following to flip as well: Colorado, New Mexico, Pennsylvania or New Hampshire.

http://image.prntscr.com/image/90f8a...a822b57a48.png

This is why the betting markets are more bullish on Clinton than the atmosphere would suggest. It's harder for Trump to get to 270.

Of course he still could. In that map Pennsylvania or Colorado are probably the more likely to flip. He might get a surprise win in Michigan (Clinton +7). However at the same time we're assuming Clinton doesn't win North Carolina or Florida. She does either of those and it's hard to see where Trump wins without something going completely mad.

This stuff always happens. For weeks I have heard of the existence of two Trump tapes which never materialised. This time in 2008 Republicans on the Internet were going crazy about a supposed video where Obama said he hated white people - they were convinced it was coming - and it never happened.

24 million people have voted. In Nevada it's 35% of the entire electorate already. In Florida the current early voting is tied and with that state going to be so close why would you wait?

Something might come out but I don't think either campaign is sitting on something. Thursday night would be the time to drop it though. (night before election is far too late, too many voters will miss it).

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Dump in that context means 'drop'. The context of the rest of the e-mail shows they mean get them out: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...hinks-it-does/

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Maybe Rand Paul will finally shoot her down with the whole supplying weapons and lying under oath claim he keeps stirring. That was August from my search, the guy has a rant every other day but has since produced nothing.

Then maybe the 'Clinton Cartel' will unravel for all to see. You know, Obama, Clinton and co all sipping some fine whiskey whilst supplying Iran etc. :D

(Sarcasm just incase, Rand Paul is a tool, he pops up every now and then to make silly digs at Clinton I.E a month after his rant about Clinton and weapons he started badgering on about her health, completely forgetting his previous rant)

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As expected. Hillary Clinton has released an Ad in conjunction to her visit to rally in Dade City, Florida today, basically highlighting Trump's attitude to Women with clips of him from the past saying comments which could be considered sexist remarks.

Let's face it, he has been very disrespectful in the past and he has ran away with his mouth, no two ways about it, but then so have lots and lots of other men and lots and lots of women have been disrespectful to other men.

As for the sexual allegations, well, they have not been proven and Trump has denied all claims, insisting they were brought about by the sleazy DNC campaign.

Whichever way you look at it. This is a desperate woman trying to turn the negative press and attention back to on Trump.

What made me laugh though in her speech, yeah, I brought myself to watch what she had to say, I will never be able to the time back on that, anyway, she said:

Does this silly woman have a short memory ? She labeled half of Trump's supporters 'A basket of deplorable's.' That's a very large portion of the voting public, she insulted with that remark.

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He can win, I think I'd like to see him win, but ultimately I don't think he will win.

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That's to be expected though. Isn't that a Politician's go to move.

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I have been watching up to date CNN news. And it states that Trump is going to swing states. As there is an up to date map of who is winning what.

Trump is going to States where he thinks he can win.

But Clinton is 272 and Trump is 8 points behind

I would keep watching CNN if l was you

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People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones, not when one of her closest aids husbands has been sexting children

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North Carolina publish the demographics and party affiliation of those who've already voted:

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2016/11/30.jpg

Nothing to differ from the polls. No surge of white men, more women and Hispanics voting.

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Possible big story about Trump breaking tonight, something which has been in the background for months but no media outlet touched because it doesn't seem to have much evidence. This is it but the media has held off and the Clinton campaign haven't touched it: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/...0c43e6c1d9834? We'll see.

Meanwhile: https://twitter.com/Nate_Cohn/status/793891326743941121

E-Mail damage seems to have stopped.

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Peter Kadzik outed as 'Mole' for Clinton Campaign.

They're running with mole but he tipped them off either way.

https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails...CqACvADUADXAIF

Trump is all over it already: https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...&v=3hheSZg72Qc

The damage might have stopped for now but regardless of this election, this E-mail business isn't going away.

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What's wrong with that? Testimonies aren't held in secret, that wouldn't have been private information from what I can see.

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That, that's what's wrong with that. Secret or not it's pretty blatant Kadzik (A DOJ employee) was assisting the Clinton camp and wasn't sending this is any sort of professional way, he was pretty clearly all too friendly with Podesta.

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I think chance for mischief is just a jocular comment whilst informing them that problems are coming. It's not very professional but the information he was passing would have been public knowledge. I don't think that is going to cause them a lot of issues.

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Unless there's anything else no, it won't do a thing.

It just further adds to the thought Clinton was already clear of the investigation before it had even started, Comey, Kadzik and co all playing along. Now Comey is under fire and went and poured petrol on it.

It just seems stupid to have Kadzik even involved in the investigation, although I'm unaware if it was known at the time that he and Podesta were mates. I'm also not sure if that even matters in a case like that.

Moving away from the E-mails Donna Brazile... a comment that sums it up: whom decided her opinion was more important than the people, basically perverted the course of democracy. Sacked and still tweeting crap.

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Early voting is not a good indictor of overall voting but this is interesting: https://twitter.com/Nate_Cohn/status/793929734287724544

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Very objective piece from a ver objective source.

I especially love the " editors note" at the end

Fair and balanced....to coin a phrase.

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I just googled the first item to be honest. This isn't the source. They're all reporting the same story: http://www.politico.com/story/2016/1...awsuits-230647

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The rape stuff will be big stuff if it comes out - doubt if it will. Trump will see to that.

Its being released today. According to the press release

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Remember the Media and the Clinton campaign have stayed well clear of this, at least until now, so they must think there isn't much evidence/substance to it.

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Yeah could be slander if it goes * up? That would be a good reason for Clinton to stay away from it.

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Doesn't matter now anyway, they've cancelled the press conference.

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I think they would be less worried about slander (the campaign would be clever enough to avoid that) but you don't make accusations you can't somewhat back.

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There is no answer to this. Thanks largely to the internet and social media large numbers of people are being presented with all sorts of convincingly distorted 'facts' (even doctored images/videos) which they choose to believe for one reason or another. Rather than question the sources or seek alternative views/reasoning before deciding, it's easier for them to accept what's presented, especially if it confirms what they already believe or is simply what they want to hear. Isn't this why so many students simply do a Google search for information and then base their work on what comes up at the top of the list. Google's effectively doing their thinking! In the past we relied upon the likes of the BBC and mainly well established and credible (albeit biased) newspapers to present information but now people are exposed to information from all over the world and increasingly form their opinions from that, often without question. There's so much information around, it's getting increasingly difficult to tell what's real anymore. The consequence of a digital existence isn't just losing ourselves in entertainment, it's increasingly blurring the boundaries of reality in all other aspects of our lives particularly for those who've known nothing different in their short lives. Check your email inbox every day for evidence of that - seemingly genuine messages from what appear to be major, trusted, institutions which are not only fake but are designed to do you harm. Now we have seemingly genuine news providers making it up to suit their warped agenda and very convincingly so.

The genie is out of the bottle, there is no answer to this and not so slowly but surely we're heading in a dangerous direction which will leave us all open to influence, exploitation and control by all sorts of dubious interests from all around the globe. What's real nowadays depends on who/what we choose to believe... :shrug:

Anyway, on a lighter note, I notice Obama's not above the old project fear trick - this time it's only the 'fate of the world' which is at stake thankfully... :spin: :)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2016-37854525

I wonder if it'll do for the Democrats what it did for the Remainers?...

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"... nothing is true any more ..." - do you believe that statement to be true?

Sorry - return to normal service.

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Looks odds on to me Trumps going to win this. Very tempted to put something on at the bookies (Hillary Clinton: 2/5, Donald Trump: 15/8). Many Democrat voters aren't going to turn out which will be her downfall. The country really deserves him anyway.

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I just hope HC wins. I have checked cnn and us papers. If there is a trump win. All hell will break loose in thr US.
Trump is a billionaire and thinks of only himself and helping the rich. Just like the Tories over here. According to cnn, HC is leading and that Trump is dependant on swing states to win.

CNN have said that it will be tight at the finish but Clinton is hot favourite. Depenfing on swing states dont change there vote.

As l also understand the 'rape' victim is now known and has recieved death threats from Trump supporters

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No it won't. You need to stop adding fantasy scenario's in.

Yeah, just like the Tories... Because that's not an old boring cliche now.

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Trump seems to be closing in to Clinton in latest polls.

http://www.dailywire.com/news/5361/c...james-barrett#

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It's an average of the polls. The momentum has stalled somewhat though. The RCP average has been a 2pts for many days now. Clinton is doing better in Florida too.

I think the die is cast now anyway. Early voting is really underway. Nevada is over 50%. Clinton's 'firewall' is still holding and if she takes either Florida or North Carolina she will likely win. Trump needs to take something like Pennsylvania whilst also taking Florida or North Carolina.

So unless there is a big news story it's a wait and see approach.

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Never say never. It ain't over til the fat lady sings.

I don't like either of them but it's not my country.

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I am not saying saying never.

Clinton is going into the election at the moment as the favorite but with a real chance of losing. At the moment she is in a better position to get to 270 states but if Trump wins Pennsylvania then Clinton is in real trouble. Likewise if she wins either NC or Florida then Trump needs something big or he is finished.

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The early vote is so high in Florida we might know early if Clinton wins or has to wait: http://www.tampabay.com/blogs/the-bu...s-here/2301397

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Let's say for one moment she does win, she will be entering the White House as the first Woman President. I wish I could be really excited for her but her dire reputation has severely damaged all possibly of me being even remotely excited. But that is not all, because of her real tarnished reputation, there is real chance of massive civil unrest (I accept this could also be true for Trump) and I would not blame US citizens taking to the streets, not accepting the result because she is currently under a big FBI Investigation (AGAIN), I would not accept the result either and would more than likely, if I was a US citizen, join in with the unrest and protest (peaceful of course).

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I mean it's a democracy. She still becomes President even if people don't want to accept it. Protesting her administration and working to a Republican elected in 2020 would be different to not accepting the result which would presumably mean you don't accept her claim to the Presidency and think Trump should be installed instead.

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Well if she is indicted, she will be removed from Office of President anyway, who then becomes President? Kaine, her vice President.

It's questionable democracy Damien, with reports of voter fraud, over a million dead people registered to vote and people crossing State lines to vote again. The voting system in America is laughable, it really is. Maybe when Trump says the system is rigged, it appears to really be the case.

http://www.desmoinesregister.com/sto...ines/92892042/

http://yournewswire.com/two-million-...s-voter-fraud/

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will it still be rigged if Trump wins ? i heard him in the news the other day enjoying his rise in popularity according to recent polls ,the same polls he said where rigged when they put Clinton 6 points in front

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At the end of the day they are only polls and not the main official poll that matters and as we know Polls can and have been wrong.

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Well, considering 2.5 million people a year die in the USA, and the electoral rolls are updated yearly, it's to be expected...

btw, the lady in your link voted twice for Trump.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...twice-in-iowa/

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Was more commenting on Trumps hypocrisy

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No hypocrisy here. :rolleyes:

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Well considering nothing. Dead people don't normally have the capability to vote which has been the case here and in past Elections.

As for you pointing out that a woman voted twice. I know that's why I posted the link. If this woman is voting twice, how many other people are doing it? Vote fraud, is voter fraud.

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im utterly excited about this election. can bill clinton return to the white house or will we be left with one of the most extraordinary election wins ever with a trump win. Either way its a game changer day for the world on tuesday.

Ive been signed off another week from work so ill be up all night watching it if anyone else is!

My prediction? i have a sneaky feeling trump will win. hes closing in the polls and i think a lot of people in the opinion polls arent admitting theyll vote trump. i think its brexit 2 all over again

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Bill Clinton ???

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You better like Mick;) put your wad of money on it then Vince.;)

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Well, unless you missed the obvious, Bill Clinton, is married to Hillary Clinton and thus, he will be returning to the White House, as the First Husband, First Gentleman, whatever title is given to the Husband of a female President, it's just unfortunate that if the first female President, is Hillary Clinton, it will be one marred by a bad reputation and serious controversy.

Infact, it's been said Bill will even lend a helping hand to Hillary. Which I'm sure he will. All this assuming they win of course and also assuming Hillary doesn't get Indicted any time soon for her alleged crooked dealings while she was Secretary of State.

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http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/05/up...-safe-one.html

Good overview of the state of the election. Clinton ahead but within a polling error of losing.

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I have no idea what's going to happen. I don't like calling these things. I don't have the sinking feeling of my side losing which I had a few weeks before Brexit. The betting markets have it around 70-30 as does the FiveThirtyEight projection so I'll go with that.

There are a lot of undecided voters in the early voting, record highs. However there is also an increase in women, the margin is wider so far, and hispanics whilst African American turnout is down. So I guess either:

• Trump wins a Brexit style victory from white men without a college degree turning out in record numbers
• Clinton wins ala the polls from slightly higher turnout from women, less from men, more from latinos, less from African Americans but otherwise matches Obama in 2012
• Clinton wins comfortably from a huge increase in women and hispanic voters. Voters will a college degree go majority democratic for the first time

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I'm starting to think trump might pull it out of the hat too three wives of my friends are voting for trump more because they utterly despise clinton but the fact they are voting for trump rather then not voting puzzles me. I have no doubt trump is the sleazy misogynistic bigot he appears to be and the thought of women voting for him just seems off. Must be the first time in presidential campaigns that both candidates are probably the worst people each party could have representing them it's all very bizarre.

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President Trump ..... just makes me laugh thinking about it.

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Early voting finish in Nevada. They had to keep polling stations open because of the number of, largely, Latino voters voting. https://twitter.com/timjhogan/status/794740175150514176
It looks like record levels of Hispanic voters by a long, long way.

Same thing in Florida: https://twitter.com/steveschale/stat...45859070164992

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l think that bodes well for Clinton.

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People are grasping at whatever they want to see. The black vote isn't coming out like it did for Obama, more fool them. Suspect, just like shy Tories, there's a hidden Trump vote. People esp. Americans are usually more stupid than you think, and base their vote on all the wrong reasons (i.e. who they hate less). However I got the Brexit vote wrong so hopefully I'm wrong again ;)

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There is an element of people looking into this how they want but Nevada especially looks very good for the Democrats because that state is largely done via Early voting.

The rest of it's up in the air. Lots of independent voters and new voters but who those new voters are is unknown. But they may not be 'shy Trump' voters: http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/04/up...te-voters.html

Heres an article on it: http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/05/us...T.nav=top-news

Also this is how 'dead people end up voting' http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016...medium=twitter

they die after casting their ballots. R.I.P.

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How Obama reacts to protesters is so much classier than how Trump does it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6WGCEKmeVYQ

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In a certain light maybe?... :shrug:


:D

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But of course, your narrow-minded view of everything is that if someone votes opposite to you, you class them as stupid or uneducated which I find quite pathetic, IMO.

Meanwhile, Julian Assange has done a very interesting interview just recently describing the same money which funds ISIS, passing through the Clinton Foundation. So perhaps the Americans voting for Trump, because let's face it, why vote for for a candidate that is facing potential impeachment, if she wins anyway, perhaps they are not that stupid after all.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_sbT3_9dJY4

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Prof. Michael Hudson, economist and author speaks to Ross Ashcroft about the difficult choice faced by Americans in the upcoming US elections.

Never heard of this guy before, but what he says is pretty grim.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ztIskZuIzsQ

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So you obviously missed Crooked Hillary looking rather unhinged, ranting at a similar protester at her rally the other day...

But let's not forget he is just as class, when he said only eight years ago, Hillary Clinton will say anything to get elected and now he thinks the sun shines out of her ass.

Also, if I was an American Citizen, I'd be questioning the use of Air Force One, which is tax payer funded, to continually campaign for crooked Hillary. How many rallies has he done this week for her ? I'd also be questioning, has he got nothing else better to do at all than campaign for a potential criminal?

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The campaign pays for the use of Air Force One. The same question comes up when a President is campaigning for election. They charge some sort of pro-rata fee to the campaign in question.

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Let's not let facts get in the way of another childish rant:

FACT CHECK: Air Force One, Who Pays?

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Still does not make it right that he is spending all the time in the world trying to get her elected, when she is under FBI Investigation (Again) and facing possible Indictment and Impeachment if Elected.

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Not to get too technical but Fox News have retracted that Indictment story: http://www.politico.com/blogs/on-med...-report-230743

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But who pays for the Pizza Party!?

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Speaking of which....

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/...b08d73b8319f15

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What has Fox News got to do with the price of fish ? Far as I am concerned that crooked devil is still under FBI Investigation (Again).