Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35857733)

So Jeremy attends an early evening,male dominated networking drinks party at CBI HQ and promptly tells everyone else it's a bad thing to do.....seriously couldn't make this stuff up :rolleyes:

Originally Posted by Ramrod (Post 35859273)

John McDonnell welcomed the financial crash

******* :mad:

Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35859281)

Quite.

We know bitter, dinosaurs like McDonnell have always had a penchant for the nasty but we have an advantage now when compared to the 1970's and 80's when people like him were rife. Now, thanks to the internet, the nastiness which embodies these people is available for all to see in perpetuity. Make no mistake, some rent-a-mob lefties, perpetual wasters and extremist thugs quite like a bit of nastiness (hang then bankers, murder Thatcher, deface memorials etc. etc.) and will vote for it but thankfully they're in a small minority and what the likes of McDonnell, Livingstone and their ilk just cannot help doing is regularly providing us with graphic examples of their true feelings from time to time. The evidence is then available for the world to see and judge them upon yet they still can't reign it in... :nutter:

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35859282)

They haven't been judged yet. Wait until the election.

Originally Posted by RizzyKing (Post 35859291)

As good as it is to see the nasty underbelly of labour exposed and for some of it's more idiotic members to also be exposed the fact is this is massively damaging to our democracy and eventually the people of the UK. We all know the next election is going to be a slaughter of labour if things continue as they are, the lib dems are as usual awol bemoaning the brexit vote so the next election has only one real party for the majority the conservatives.

Whilst i like what Theresa May says it's actions that are needed and the majority they are likely to have after the next election will be huge and no matter how good the party huge majority's are not a good thing. Corbyn will ride labour to it's total destruction as this "humble" politician has an ego the size of most skyscrapers not a good thing for the UK at all.

Originally Posted by Anypermitedroute (Post 35859385)

Erm, you do realise that the link is satire comedy, right?

Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35859580)

Well it makes a change to see some acrimony amongst senior Labour figures...



http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37384866

Originally Posted by RizzyKing (Post 35858931)

I'm getting bored of some people constantly acting like everyone that voted for brexit only did so because of the leave campaign nothing at all to do with experience of 40+ years in the euro club. Clearly every brexit voter is such a moron that they couldn't possibly vote for brexit because they genuinely felt it was the right thing to do or because their experience wasn't pro EU no only remainers did that because they are so much smarter then brexit voters.

Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35859776)

That's so true.... ;)

Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35859771)

It's quite obvious which side was worse, however... ;)

Originally Posted by Paul M (Post 35859795)

Yes, if you voted "leave" it was the remainers, if you voted "remain", it was the leavers. :D


The days after the vote were full of whinging remainers, some really bad losers out there. While we will never know for sure, I think its less likely that something similar would have happened had it gone the othe way, since most leavers had been conditioned by the polls and 'experts' to expect they would lose.

Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35859807)

as a leave voter i fully expected to loose and had prepared myself to accept the democratic outcome but against the odds we won, i now find i have no tolerance for the remoaners in fact their attitude to democracy disgusts me .
they lost the argument its now time to accept that, not constantly bitch about another vote because they don't like the outcome of the democratic process .

Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35859849)

I see Tom Watson wants to change the leadership rules:



http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37416853

That'll go down well with the Corbynistas...

Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35859856)

i think once corbyn wins again he should perform a giant turd flush on the plp
and get rid of all the backstabbers ,i know i would in his position .

Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35859857)

If he does that they'll have nothing to lose from forming their own party and further undermining Corbyn and his loyalists. They'd probably call it "Not Quite the Same Old Labour." :D

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35859825)

I agree. My fear over Brexit is damage to the economy and chances of jobs et rather than leaving the institution itself. If we could avoid the former I wouldn't care, probably even approve, of the latter. Although I also want to retain the right to work across Europe....

Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu (Post 35859889)

Labour is not the party that used to be. I wont vote for them again while Corbyn is in charge

Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35860339)

let the cull begin

Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35860341)

We might include you in that cull as well perhaps old boy.;)

Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35860344)

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016...e-win-but-fac/

I love this quote That would be the Leader, who when he was a backbencher, voted against his own Party line over 500 times... :D

Originally Posted by ntluser (Post 35860347)

It's no real surprise that Jeremy Corbyn has won because he is obviously popular with Labour party supporters.

However, Labour party voters seemed to have not realised that though Corbyn is popular with them he has to be popular with non-Labour voters too.

At general elections roughly 30% of voters vote Labour and roughly another 30% vote Conservative with the remaining 40% consisting of Lib-Dem, UKIP, Green and Independent candidate supporters.

To win an election it follows that both Labour and the Conservatives have to appeal to members of that 40% group in order to achieve victory. Given that is the case it is unlikely that a hard left or a hard right manifesto will win the day.

So it may well be that Jeremy Corbyn has won the battle to stay leader of the party, but unless things change, Labour will lose the war for the hearts and minds of voters in the middle ground.

It will be interesting to see what changes in policy and action are made as a consequence of Jeremy Corbyn's leadership victory especially as Labour has a major credibility problem with running the economy effectively and efficiently and is viewed by many as a lapdog of the unions.

Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35860350)

Yup. A whole lot of people seem to be deluded about Labour's future under Corbyn. Judging by what I saw on the TV earlier, after the result of the vote, some Labour folks even seem to think he's a great leader but I really can't see how anyone can claim leadership's his forte... :spin:

Those who've paid their few quid to join Labour might be patting themselves on the back about this result but the reality is that without all those Scottish seats which used to be nailed on certainties, Labour has to appeal to an awful lot of people who clearly don't like Corbyn's 'new politics' and wouldn't trust Labour with him at the helm or anywhere near it.

Originally Posted by rhyds (Post 35860352)

Well, the Labour membership has spoken, and it has made it clear it wants to keep Corbyn in place.

Owen Smith, to his credit, stood up to offer the party an alternative when none of the big hitters (Alan Johnson, Dan Jarvis, Margaret Hodge, Harriet Harman) had the guts to. I'm sure he'll be quietly sidelined and/or deselected for his trouble.

Now, the Labour party must get back to its actual job of being Her Majesty's Loyal Opposition. Its up to Corbyn to find a way to bring those capable MPs in the parliamentary party back in to his shadow cabinet and build a team that can work together. That's the job of a party leader, and that is what he struggles to do.

Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35860407)

Corbyn's certainly not stronger amongst those Labour needs to win over if they're to have any chance of power.

Then there are these:



http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7325581.html


... and just to add further scope for division in his own party:


power to the people

power to the people ;)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37466034

I think Corbyn's been marginalised for so long that he's become used to it...

Originally Posted by GrimUpNorth (Post 35860436)

It's scary but might not be as cut and dried as some think. Remember the 'experts' haven't done too well at gauging the mood of the electorate at the last 2 national outings to the ballot box.

Cheers

Grim

Originally Posted by techguyone (Post 35860507)

Good post, but certainly in the last 2 GE's the pollsters got it pretty much spot on - the Brexit vote not so much.

Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu (Post 35860099)

I think its an almost certainty that Corbyn will win the battle. BUT, he will never be PM. The public wont have it.

Corbyn is not prepared to take on the major issues that the working class are talking about.
Bedroom Tax, Food Banks which have now become a major issue in the UK.

The working class of this country deserve better that a prat like Corbyn.

I would say by Xmas, we will have another party to take on Labour - within the party.

Labour cannot keep running like it is. We are well behind in the surveys.

Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35860344)

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016...e-win-but-fac/

I love this quote That would be the Leader, who when he was a backbencher, voted against his own Party line over 500 times... :D

Originally Posted by GrimUpNorth (Post 35860436)

To me the worrying thing is many 'younger' people I know (<30 years) seem pretty impressed with him. They like his style and delivery and now seem to be taking an interest in 'mainstream' politics when 18 months ago they'd shown no interest at all.

Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35860346)

don't worry in a couple of weeks their won't be enough left to fill the front bench:)

Originally Posted by Ramrod (Post 35860636)

Labour’s Domestic Violence Spokeswoman Admits Assaulting Husband
:D

Originally Posted by Ramrod (Post 35860636)

Labour’s Domestic Violence Spokeswoman Admits Assaulting Husband
:D

Originally Posted by Ramrod (Post 35860636)

Labour’s Domestic Violence Spokeswoman Admits Assaulting Husband
:D

Originally Posted by RizzyKing (Post 35860664)

Men are constantly told there are no circumstances where it's acceptable to hit a woman in anger something i agree wholeheartedly with so i apply the same to women hitting men. Anyone who has been cautioned for domestic violence has no place being in any position related to domestic violence or labour so hard up for people they can't have a better representative. Domestic violence is suffered by both sexes yet only male on female is routinely discussed despite increasing numbers of men suffering from it so it's not acceptable to me that she holds the position she does.

Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 35860656)

Do you actually know or even care about the truth in this case?

Originally Posted by Ignitionnet (Post 35860742)

What a total shambles. The election has solved absolutely nothing, it's actually gotten even more fractious.

Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 35860776)

Great isn't it.

Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35860921)

I thought Jezza made a great speech today. I'm sure all Cable Forumers will agree ;)

Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35860921)

I thought Jezza made a great speech today. I'm sure all Cable Forumers will agree ;)

Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 35860924)

Corbyn wants to go straight back to the seventies and the total destruction of the remaining manufacturing in this country. Absolute lefty insanity and the usual question: Where's the money going to come from?

Foot 2.0 on steroids. Political suicide.

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Great for killing the Labour party as a credible opposition let alone a government in waiting.

Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35860921)

I thought Jezza made a great speech today. I'm sure all Cable Forumers will agree ;)

Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35860930)

Perhaps we should have a poll my old boy.;)

Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35860934)

and some great pledges


the pledges:

Full employment
A secure homes guarantee
Security at work
A strong public NHS and social care
A National Education service for all
Action on Climate Change
Public ownership and control of our services
A cut in inequality of income and wealth
Action to secure an equal society
Peace and justice at the heart of foreign policy

Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35860921)

I thought Jezza made a great speech today. I'm sure all Cable Forumers will agree ;)

Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35860935)

Love to Den, if only I knew how to do it......:D

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Seem good targets to me. If anyone could deliver a third of that I'd be happy. What's the Ice Queen offering? More misery for those most vulnerable.

Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35860725)

What's more concerning is that we have a shadow "Home Office Minister for Preventing Abuse and Domestic Violence" .....talk about non job creation :rolleyes:

Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35860934)

and some great pledges


the pledges:

Full employment
A secure homes guarantee
Security at work
A strong public NHS and social care
A National Education service for all
Action on Climate Change
Public ownership and control of our services
A cut in inequality of income and wealth
Action to secure an equal society
Peace and justice at the heart of foreign policy

Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35860935)

Seem good targets to me. If anyone could deliver a third of that I'd be happy. What's the Ice Queen offering? More misery for those most vulnerable.

Originally Posted by GrimUpNorth (Post 35860938)

I think you can judge by the lack of snidey comments ;) immediately after the speech that people were having problems putting it down. I think he did well and agree with Me K that it was a great speech.

Cheers

Grim

Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35860948)

We all would ,after all you never see politicians promise the earth and fail to deliver do you :rolleyes:

3 things wrong with that list ,

1...He's not in power

2...He's never going to be in power

3...He's an idiot

Originally Posted by Ramrod (Post 35860950)

I hope that you're being sarcastic :erm:

Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35860932)

So true. They need to have a good look at who's signed up for membership for a few quid. Numbers are one thing but are they really going to translate into seats, especially when the more moderate members/voters realise that the more extreme left are calling all the shots? I very much doubt it...

Originally Posted by rhyds (Post 35861006)

Its pretty obvious he's still thinking in 1980s terms, especially in education.

He promised an "arts pupil premium for every child in England and Wales".

Problem is, education in Wales is the responsibility of the Welsh Government, not the Westminster one, and I'd imagine Welsh Labour have other stuff to spend the money on...

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35860977)

I think some of that speech will resonate with people though. The idea that we should actually be taking advantage of low borrowing rates to invest in the country isn't a new idea or an especially left-wing idea, it's what America did in the aftermath of 2008, and hopefully the Government is now planning to move away from the strict austerity program.

Home building too is badly needed, I don't understand why successive governments have failed on this. Just let councils pay for it and contract out the work to current developers. It's hardly a risky investment is it? You'll make a profit on selling them or they can use them as social housing rather than paying landlords via housing benefit.

Hopefully May steals some of these 'ideas'.

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We should be very cautious. Our electoral system means that he is the most likely Prime Minister if the Tories don't win the next election, he is the defacto alternative choice. It's very unlikely of course, especially when the Tories hit him with all his foreign policy views which will scare most voters, but then so was Trump getting anywhere near the White House and now that's quite possible.

All it takes is people being even more anti-establishment, maybe a recession, and people may suddenly look to Corbyn. One thing he has going for him is people don't think of him as a member of the political elite as it where. People won't like his pro-Russian, anti-Western, foreign policy but Trump is rather pro-Russian and anti-Western and that hasn't harmed him. Trump has made gaffs, seems incompetent and again he is doing fine.

A sudden change and Corbyn as PM might be very real.

Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35861018)

We've been here before electorally and no matter how tough times are, nothing that Labour can say or do will, IMHO, sufficiently inspire the masses to vote for Corbyn. As leader of the second biggest party in parliament of course he's the next most likely non-Conservative PM but the Tories would have to become a complete joke in order for Labour (under Corbyn) to be elected. The Tories have been less than popular since 2010 and times have been very tough but people still chose them ahead of Labour under Brown or Miliband and that was with an electoral situation structurally more favourable to Labour. Corbyn's just told everyone how relaxed he is about migration numbers and that isn't going to help his cause no matter what else he does.

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35861039)

I agree but I still think recent events have shown us not to underestimate the anger that is out there and the appeal of anti-establishment candidates no matter how much they may seem unable to do the job. Trump in America, Le Pen in France, Syriza in Greece.

I still think it's unlikely but I wouldn't assume it's not a real possibility. Say there is a recession and increasing public anger and suddenly things can change. Especially if the argument that austerity didn't work for 8 years and instead prevented growth takes hold.

Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35860934)

and some great pledges


the pledges:

Full employment
A secure homes guarantee
Security at work
A strong public NHS and social care
A National Education service for all
Action on Climate Change
Public ownership and control of our services
A cut in inequality of income and wealth
Action to secure an equal society
Peace and justice at the heart of foreign policy

Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 35861078)

You seem to have omitted the open door immigration pledge. No restrictions whatsoever. Another vote winner.:(

Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 35861078)

You seem to have omitted the open door immigration pledge. No restrictions whatsoever. Another vote winner.:(

Originally Posted by gba93 (Post 35861086)

Or paying for the multi-billion Trident replacement program but promising never to use it - great advert for a economically responsible party.

Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35861103)

:tu: It's good that we're regularly reminded of the sort of deluded nonsense this guy is capable of.

Potential PM??? :nutter:

Originally Posted by Ramrod (Post 35860946)

Have those pledges been chiselled into a monolithic stone yet? :D