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Julian 20-09-2015 23:54

Re: Football Season 2015/2016
 
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Originally Posted by Shadow Demon UK (Post 35799139)
St.Marys is fast becoming our second home ;)

Mine too!!!! :D

Russ 21-09-2015 07:02

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As deadly a player he is, Costa is fast becoming the new Drogba. Arrogant, cheating and playing the persecuted victim when he doesn't get his way.

LVG is bleating on about how United are now contenders. It was just one game, let's not forget we still lost to Swansea. Teams don't fear Old Trafford anymore, we'll only be contenders when they do again. LVG is not the man for United and deep down I reckon he knows it, I think he's just a (successful) transitional manager who is preparing the team for whoever takes over from him.

TheDaddy 21-09-2015 07:59

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Originally Posted by Russ (Post 35799214)
As deadly a player he is, Costa is fast becoming the new Drogba. Arrogant, cheating and playing the persecuted victim when he doesn't get his way.

LVG is bleating on about how United are now contenders. It was just one game, let's not forget we still lost to Swansea. Teams don't fear Old Trafford anymore, we'll only be contenders when they do again. LVG is not the man for United and deep down I reckon he knows it, I think he's just a (successful) transitional manager who is preparing the team for whoever takes over from him.

I think he'll be retiring to soon after his utd stint, football needs people with his knowledge and experience. That said I also think he's pretty over rated, failed to qualify the Dutch for a world cup and leaving barcalona in the relegation places are two stand out high lights for me. He seems like the sort of guy that can only get the best out of young impressionable players, anyone older and more experienced he seems to fall out with. Plus can he afford to retire, iirc bernie madof made of with a big pile of his cash.

denphone 21-09-2015 09:27

Re: Football Season 2015/2016
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Russ (Post 35799214)
As deadly a player he is, Costa is fast becoming the new Drogba. Arrogant, cheating and playing the persecuted victim when he doesn't get his way.

LVG is bleating on about how United are now contenders. It was just one game, let's not forget we still lost to Swansea. Teams don't fear Old Trafford anymore, we'll only be contenders when they do again. LVG is not the man for United and deep down I reckon he knows it, I think he's just a (successful) transitional manager who is preparing the team for whoever takes over from him.

The trouble is who can you follow SAF with? even though LVG is not the answer in the long run.

Mr Pharmacist 21-09-2015 10:46

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Russ (Post 35799214)
As deadly a player he is, Costa is fast becoming the new Drogba. Arrogant, cheating and playing the persecuted victim when he doesn't get his way.

He's just misunderstood.....
I'd want him shot if he didn't play for us :)

thenry 21-09-2015 10:55

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Gabriel should have dealt with him. Pathetic sending off.

denphone 21-09-2015 11:15

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Originally Posted by thenry (Post 35799255)
Gabriel should have dealt with him. Pathetic sending off.

He needs to wise up and not react to hotheads like Costa.

Mr Pharmacist 21-09-2015 11:40

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Quote:

Originally Posted by thenry (Post 35799255)
Gabriel should have dealt with him. Pathetic sending off.

I agree, but I think they have history in Spain which meant they were always gonna clash.

thenry 21-09-2015 20:42

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Diego Costa, Gabriel, Chelsea and Arsenal all charged

http://www.thefa.com/news/governance...charges-210915
Costa should serve a longer ban than Gabriel. Chelsea should be fined higher than Arsenal.

MalteseFalcon 21-09-2015 22:22

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See Peterborough have named Westley as new manager. Haven't had that good a laugh for a long time. That's Peterborough on their way down to the bottom of League 2 within the next 2 years then.

denphone 22-09-2015 05:01

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Quote:

Originally Posted by thenry (Post 35799384)
Costa should serve a longer ban than Gabriel. Chelsea should be fined higher than Arsenal.

Good.:tu:

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Quote:

Originally Posted by MarkC1984 (Post 35799392)
See Peterborough have named Westley as new manager. Haven't had that good a laugh for a long time. That's Peterborough on their way down to the bottom of League 2 within the next 2 years then.

Now now Mark old habits are dying hard there.;)

MalteseFalcon 22-09-2015 08:23

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Sorry. Mind you, the way Stevenage have been performing so far, it's like Westley never left at the end of last season. Hoping it clicks soon, otherwise I can see Sheringham being on his way by Christmas.

Mr Pharmacist 22-09-2015 10:35

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Quote:

Originally Posted by thenry (Post 35799384)
Costa should serve a longer ban than Gabriel. Chelsea should be fined higher than Arsenal.

Ok....:p:

denphone 22-09-2015 18:31

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Gabriel red card overturned after Arsenal win appeal.

http://www.skysports.com/football/ne...nal-win-appeal

thenry 22-09-2015 18:51

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:clap: the injustice was beyond belief. Gabriel should have dealt with him but hey ho the FA can now act accordingly.

and it looks like more book throwing at Chelsea...

Quote:

Eva Caneiro 'leaves Chelsea' with Blues bracing for legal battle after Jose Mourinho row

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/f...-10513122.html
they will get taken to the cleaners in court

Julian 22-09-2015 20:56

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And Costa gets a 3 match ban

LINKY

denphone 22-09-2015 22:03

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Well its seem the next manager for the chop will be from the north east.

Arthurgray50@blu 22-09-2015 23:38

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http://www.msn.com/en-gb/sport/premi...cid=spartandhp

Two major problems that have now hit Chelsea.

One sad one and that is Carneiro leaving Chelsea. I sincerely hope that the FA throw the book at Mourinho over this whole affair. Yes, l am NOT a Chelsea fan, but the way Mourinho has treated her is a disgrace.

I was listening to Talk Sport recently, and 8 out of ten CHELSEA fans said that Mourinho has gone over the line and should be sacked.

You cannot treat people like meat. Both Her and her colleague was called onto the filed by the referee - end of story. Mourinho is a disgrace.

Secondly, the Costa ban should have been MORE. Through the game he was becoming dangerous to other players. To me he is a big cheat, and one of these days he will end up seriously injuring a player.

Mr Pharmacist 23-09-2015 10:52

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Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu (Post 35799594)
Both Her and her colleague was called onto the filed by the referee - end of story. Mourinho is a disgrace.

Secondly, the Costa ban should have been MORE. Through the game he was becoming dangerous to other players. To me he is a big cheat, and one of these days he will end up seriously injuring a player.

Bet you can't name her colleague without googling it? As for your next opinion, well that's as silly as you seem to be :p:

Shadow Demon UK 23-09-2015 11:03

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3 games is way over the top for what he did. Should've been a 1 game ban.

denphone 23-09-2015 12:00

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Typical FA in my opinion.

Mr Pharmacist 23-09-2015 12:44

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I could live to 100 and still not understand how the FA work. They seem to be saying Mike Dean got two major incidents wrong, but he still gets to referee this weekend.
And even if Mike Dean did get punished he'd still be refereeing in a lower league. If he's not fit for purpose he shouldn't be doing it at any level for a few weeks.

thenry 23-09-2015 12:53

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There wasn't just 1 incident.

denphone 23-09-2015 14:16

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Originally Posted by Mr Pharmacist (Post 35799673)
I could live to 100 and still not understand how the FA work. They seem to be saying Mike Dean got two major incidents wrong, but he still gets to referee this weekend.
And even if Mike Dean did get punished he'd still be refereeing in a lower league. If he's not fit for purpose he shouldn't be doing it at any level for a few weeks.

Sadly the referees continue with their poor refereeing and nothing ever happens Mr P.

Kabaal 23-09-2015 14:47

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Originally Posted by Shadow Demon UK (Post 35799653)
3 games is way over the top for what he did. Should've been a 1 game ban.

What he did the other day combined with how dirty he plays in every single match deserves a longer ban IMO. Football doesn't need players like him.

Shadow Demon UK 23-09-2015 14:55

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Kabaal (Post 35799736)
What he did the other day combined with how dirty he plays in every single match deserves a longer ban IMO. Football doesn't need players like him.


Each incident was worthy of a yellow imo, so should have been a one game ban. How the FA can ban Costa for 3 games and give Gabriel nothing for kicking out at him is incredible

thenry 23-09-2015 15:00

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Malicious foul play?

Shadow Demon UK 23-09-2015 15:02

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Yep what Gabriel did was malicious foul play, wheres his ban?

adzii_nufc 23-09-2015 15:12

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Is quite a farce you can't just take back a red card on the basis Costa wound him up and has now been punished. Both should be serving a ban when you apply the minimal amount of logic required. Seen plenty of reds for what Costa done twice, his ban length is another argument though.

Reminds me of the disastrous decision to ban Eduardo after a blatant dive against Celtic that resulted in a penalty. Only to remove the ban and basically justify his actions.

thenry 23-09-2015 15:26

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In the context of what happened during the game in all honesty Gabriel should get a 1 match ban for his stupid act. Costa deserves his ban and more.

Mr Pharmacist 23-09-2015 15:53

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This is a good take on it all, and about the way the sending off was reversed. http://www.espnfc.us/barclays-premie...evidence-rules

adzii_nufc 23-09-2015 19:06

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I Don't suppose Arsene Wenger seen the incident and could clear this up :D

Sorry. It's still a mess.

denphone 23-09-2015 21:50

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:(:redcard:

adzii_nufc 23-09-2015 22:24

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Mike Ashley aimed for a cup and he made it to the third round, credit to him :rolleyes:

denphone 23-09-2015 22:28

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Who will get sacked first? , is it

A- Steve McClaren
B- Dick Advocaat
C- Brendan Rodgers

adzii_nufc 23-09-2015 22:30

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Rodgers, Advocaat, The Pope, Sepp Blatter then McClaren.

I still struggle to blame McClaren for a rot that started a year ago anyway, he's inherited a mess.

denphone 23-09-2015 22:34

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But they declared him as the big saviour when he was appointed.

Chrysalis 23-09-2015 22:56

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please dont sack mr brolly, he is doing wonders tieing up one of the relegation slots.

denphone 24-09-2015 05:35

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Originally Posted by Chrysalis (Post 35799928)
please dont sack mr brolly, he is doing wonders tieing up one of the relegation slots.

Well the way we are going we might be down there soon after another tortuous performance last night.:(:td:

MalteseFalcon 24-09-2015 08:34

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That was shameful from Liverpool. I think they were lucky with the penalties tbh, you could tell the Carlisle players had no energy left by then to score penalties.

denphone 25-09-2015 18:12

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Arsenal defender Gabriel will serve a one-match ban after admitting a charge of improper conduct.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/live/33997918

Media Boy UK 25-09-2015 18:31

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Quote:

Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35799922)
Who will get sacked first? , is it

A- Steve McClaren
B- Dick Advocaat
C- Brendan Rodgers

Prices from Sky Bet on who will go first.

Brendan Rodgers 4/7
Dick Advocaat 2/1
Steve McClaren 5/1

thenry 25-09-2015 18:35

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Quote:

Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35800216)
Arsenal defender Gabriel will serve a one-match ban after admitting a charge of improper conduct.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/live/33997918

http://www.thefa.com/news/governance...-charge-250915

there you go justice is served.

denphone 25-09-2015 18:47

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Media Boy (Post 35800219)
Prices from Sky Bet on who will go first.

Brendan Rodgers 4/7
Dick Advocaat 2/1
Steve McClaren 5/1

l will have a £1 on Rodgers then MB.:)

thenry 25-09-2015 18:50

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http://www.skysports.com/football/ne...to-sky-sources

?

denphone 25-09-2015 18:54

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Well who do you think he would manage then?.

Chrysalis 25-09-2015 22:30

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rodgers will probably be gone in the summer but unless liverpool are in danger of relegation he should survive until then.

thenry 25-09-2015 22:55

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The PL wont allow any team to rest on its laurels. Liverpool will find itself in a bit of bother with its fans if they just ride it out. Rodgers either puts something together or pressure will mount and you'll see the likes of Klopp being heavily linked.

denphone 26-09-2015 05:34

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Chrysalis (Post 35800253)
rodgers will probably be gone in the summer but unless liverpool are in danger of relegation he should survive until then.

He will be gone before then as there is considerable discontent on the red side of Merseyside now.

thenry 26-09-2015 15:04

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Wheres Arthur and his linesman flag?

denphone 26-09-2015 15:09

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Well here is another manager who get his P45 the way he is going.

Julian 26-09-2015 15:43

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what is it with the fawning over kane?

He scores an offside goal and he's automatically the messiah.

thenry 26-09-2015 15:54

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They hope he'll end up at Man Utd or the likes

Shadow Demon UK 26-09-2015 18:29

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United top of the league, Arsenal 4th, just like the good old days :)

denphone 26-09-2015 18:37

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Better start celebrating then.

Shadow Demon UK 26-09-2015 18:42

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Liverpool will be, 3-2 against Villa at home is a massive result

denphone 26-09-2015 18:46

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Nope it does not change a thing as far as l am concerned as the sooner they get rid of the dunderhead the better.

Media Boy UK 26-09-2015 19:09

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Dundee United boss Jackie McNamara part company with Dundee United (The Scottish Sun online).

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Motherwell and now maybe Dundee United are looking for new managers in the Scottish Premiership.

adzii_nufc 26-09-2015 19:14

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Ayoze Perez starts, Ayoze Perez brilliantly scores.

thenry 26-09-2015 19:21

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Mitrovic wanted to body slam him as a celebration? :LOL:

iadom 26-09-2015 19:30

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Just back home from OT, United's performance in a word 'functional'. Not always easy against a side bent on damage limitation from the off, Pantillimon was warned for time wasting after only 20 minutes so the first goal well into 'injury' time was poetic justice.

The defence still looks as though it is going to be ripped apart sooner or later, next three games, Arsenal, Everton and City will give a clearer indication. ;)

denphone 26-09-2015 19:31

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Originally Posted by adzii_nufc (Post 35800359)
Ayoze Perez starts, Ayoze Perez brilliantly scores.

The special one has become the not so special one currently.

adzii_nufc 26-09-2015 20:11

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Let it be known that a young lad with no senior league experience absolutely destroyed Pedro over 90 minutes. Kevin Mbabu

denphone 26-09-2015 20:15

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Oh dear Newcastle cannot defend it seems.

adzii_nufc 26-09-2015 20:26

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We'll take that.

denphone 26-09-2015 20:28

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Yes but in reality its two points lost.

MalteseFalcon 26-09-2015 21:10

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I want to know why the referee played enough injury time for Cambridge to score a wining goal before blowing for full time. So cross. At the moment, we'd have been better off keeping Westley.

denphone 26-09-2015 21:35

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Yes the grass is not always greener on the other side Mark.

TheDaddy 26-09-2015 21:46

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Shadow Demon UK (Post 35800350)
Liverpool will be, 3-2 against Villa at home is a massive result

Quote:

Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35800351)
Nope it does not change a thing as far as l am concerned as the sooner they get rid of the dunderhead the better.

Sarcasm, something that happens to other people by the look of it

Russ 27-09-2015 12:13

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Quote:

Originally Posted by iadom (Post 35800364)
Just back home from OT, United's performance in a word 'functional'. Not always easy against a side bent on damage limitation from the off, Pantillimon was warned for time wasting after only 20 minutes so the first goal well into 'injury' time was poetic justice.

The defence still looks as though it is going to be ripped apart sooner or later, next three games, Arsenal, Everton and City will give a clearer indication. ;)

Agree with all that. I'm getting tired of seeing other United fans saying "we're back". No we are NOT back and won't be until we have one or two more key signings plus the strength in depth we had from the mid 90s for a decade or so.

Top of the league? Yes I'm happy with that obviously but at this stage of the season it means nothing other than a feel-good factor for some fans. Personally I pay no significant attention to league positions until around December time, a good example is how SAF always made us start the season pretty slowly.

I still say LVG is the wrong man for the job. Yesterday's result was good obviously and it's great to see Depay and Martial performing, as well as Rooney hitting the net again although one goal does not mean he's back to form, he was abysmal at Southamption (although he had come back from injury).

Losing Shaw is a massive blow and although when he was fit our back line still wasn't as good as the Bruce/Pallister or Ferdinand/Vidic days it had improved from last season's colander defence so we're still weak there and yes the true test will be against Arsenal and to a lesser extent Everton. I would have said City too but Spurs..... ;)

So no, we're not back yet. Martial is exciting but inexperienced, it won't be long before teams will learn how to play him plus at his age he'll have plenty of opportunities to drop form so another establish striker is needed IMO. De Gea will help to stabilise the back a bit and our midfield is looking greatly improved but there's more work to be done in the team. The FA Cup should be a target as form over essentially 6 games is achievable but the league? Unless we're helped by cock-eyed results like City yesterday and Chelsea recently I can't see that happening.

thenry 28-09-2015 23:48

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Not happy about this Sunday although its exciting to see the line up of the main televised matches !

Monaco v Rennes - BT Sports 2 1pm
Everton vs Liverpool - SS1 1:30pm
Ajax v PSV - SS3 1:30pm
Athletic Bilbao v Valencia - SS5 3pm
Arsenal vs Man Utd - SS1 4pm
Bayern Munich vs Dortmund - BT Sports Europe 4:30pm
Atletico Madrid v Real Madrid - SS1 7:30
AC Milan v Napoli - BT Sports Europe 7:45pm
PSG v Marseille - BT Sports 2 8pm

denphone 29-09-2015 05:56

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l ain't happy about it either as it clashes with other sports.

Mr Pharmacist 29-09-2015 10:35

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Quote:

Originally Posted by thenry (Post 35800708)
Not happy about this Sunday although its exciting to see the line up of the main televised matches !

Monaco v Rennes - BT Sports 2 1pm
Everton vs Liverpool - SS1 1:30pm
Ajax v PSV - SS3 1:30pm
Athletic Bilbao v Valencia - SS5 3pm
Arsenal vs Man Utd - SS1 4pm

Atletico Madrid v Real Madrid - SS1 7:30
AC Milan v Napoli - BT Sports Europe 7:45pm
PSG v Marseille - BT Sports 2 8pm

Bayern Munich vs Dortmund at half 4 as well.

thenry 29-09-2015 10:45

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I put that in then took it out :erm: thanks could a mod edit please in the empty space below Arsenal vs Man Utd

Bayern Munich vs Dortmund - BT Sports Europe 4:30pm

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Quote:

Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35800737)
l ain't happy about it either as it clashes with other sports.

NFL :(

denphone 29-09-2015 10:58

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Yes and other sports as well.

denphone 29-09-2015 21:21

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Arsenal typically are struggling in Europe again.

thenry 29-09-2015 21:21

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:woot:

denphone 29-09-2015 21:22

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Bit lucky one must say.

adzii_nufc 29-09-2015 21:34

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The state of English clubs in European competition is frightening, The strength of the Premier League really is falling apart.

iadom 29-09-2015 21:40

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Or it could be that a lot of the other teams in Europe only have two or three really hard matches all season.

denphone 29-09-2015 21:46

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Quote:

Originally Posted by adzii_nufc (Post 35800942)
The state of English clubs in European competition is frightening, The strength of the Premier League really is falling apart.

We are becoming the laughing stock of Europe sadly as our teams can't defend and are rather spineless.

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Quote:

Originally Posted by iadom (Post 35800944)
Or it could be that a lot of the other teams in Europe only have two or three really hard matches all season.

Well we coped in the old days old boy.

thenry 29-09-2015 22:10

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Hilarious.

iadom 29-09-2015 22:13

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Never mind the Premiership, a certain La Liga side is not exactly firing on all cylinders.;)

thenry 29-09-2015 22:15

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They would still beat the PL sides though. Pathetic showing thus far.

denphone 29-09-2015 22:17

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Our clubs are totally shambolic as l have seen The Keystone cops defend better then these so called pampered over paid millionaire footballer's.

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Quote:

Originally Posted by iadom (Post 35800958)
Never mind the Premiership, a certain La Liga side is not exactly firing on all cylinders.;)

The thing with Barcelona is take out Messi and they are quite average.

adzii_nufc 29-09-2015 22:21

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Quote:

Originally Posted by iadom (Post 35800944)
Or it could be that a lot of the other teams in Europe only have two or three really hard matches all season.

Doesn't seem to affect their ability to humiliate us each year though.

Losing to PSV.
Losing to Dinamo Zagreb and now Olympiakos.

English Football is really slipping away from the elite. It's not simply a case of the 'lower' clubs are getting better, it's also a case of the top clubs are getting worse.

Liverpool fell away some time ago, United are in recovery mode from a meltdown. Chelsea won a one horse race last year and are now falling to pieces, City couldn't buy the Champions League.

Years ago, The English top four would give Madrid, Barca, Bayern and co a run for their money and go above and beyond... Can't tell me English Football's not in decline, just because the moneys there doesn't mean the strength and quality is.

denphone 29-09-2015 22:25

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That's what you get when top English sides squander huge amounts on distinctly average players instead of getting players who fit into a cohesive and tactical team ethic where the team comes first rather then the individual.

adzii_nufc 29-09-2015 22:27

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That La Liga team appears to have found it's cylinders.

Damien 29-09-2015 22:33

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I don't think it's the players or the managers. There are plenty of both in the Premier League who are easily Champions League standard. Chelsea, Arsenal, United, City should all be qualifying from their respective groups on paper.

I do think we might be suffering from the overall strength of the Premier League. The German and Spanish leagues have gimme games. Games where anything other than a win for the elite would be a massive shock. This used to be the case to an extent 3/4/5 years ago in the PL but over time the 'smaller' teams have improved considerably. You get teams facing relegation with talented players who would be mid-tier players a few years ago. The mid-table and bottom of the league teams have got stronger as a result of the massive increase in money they get from the TV deals.

There are few shocks in the PL anymore. Even if Arsenal lose to West Ham (or everyone loses to West Ham) or Chelsea draw against Newcastle. We're at the stage where Arsenal winning at Leicester was a decent result. Teams have to play these games and then play CL.

I don't think that's the only reason, there might be other factors too, but it's not that the quality isn't there.

thenry 29-09-2015 22:43

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If the PL sides are suffering from the strength of the PL then why try so hard in the CL? Arsenal being overintricate during tough times doesn't make sense?

Damien 29-09-2015 22:50

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Quote:

Originally Posted by thenry (Post 35800970)
If the PL sides are suffering from the strength of the PL then why try so hard in the CL? Arsenal being overintricate during tough times doesn't make sense?

I think it's more about preparation and mental focus/fatigue. If they had the chance to rest some players more or take a breather during the games then it wouldn't be so bad but instead they don't the time to have a single lapse of concentration and then when they finally hear the final whistle they have to throw themselves into the next game at the same intensity.

It's exhausting to be 100% focused on something with such intensity and to do that twice a week. Just think of it like a work or school task when it dominates your time and then as soon as it's done you need to reach that level again? You can only do it for so long. This is a much more extreme version of that.

Barcelona and Munich can go into some games pretty much on autopilot. Do their thing and get three points and not worry really about the other team. PL teams can't.

adzii_nufc 29-09-2015 23:09

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No disrespect to Olympiakos but even a makeshift Arsenal XI shouldn't be losing, weekend game or not. Besides Bayern in Europe, they appear to be a bit of a bogey team. 3 wins and 3 losses on a quick count.

Quick fun fact though, I believe out of all the English teams to play Olympiakos in European football, Newcastle United are the only ones to hold a 100% record against them, First time we played them I attended, Alan Shearer scored way back in 2004/2005 I believe...Aaaand I've just broken my own heart :(

If any club wishes to swap places we'd be delighted to crash out of the Champions League in your place, what I'd give for European nights like these again. The old Uefa cup that is and The Champions League, Europa League is dire.

thenry 29-09-2015 23:10

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Which calls for rethinking how the competition is approached. Arsenal even with changes only play one way. Actually its that or sit back as a unit. Can Arsenal stand tall and play off whats infront of them turning it on now and then? Man Utd will do exactly that on Sunday, stand tall and pick them off because the sides naive.

MalteseFalcon 29-09-2015 23:20

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That is the overall problem with Arsenal imo, everybody knows the way Wenger likes them to play. It hasn't changed for seasons now, so everybody has a tactic ready for playing Arsenal. I won't be shocked if there is another 6-2 win for United on Sunday.

adzii_nufc 29-09-2015 23:21

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Speaking on assumption and probability here, Arsenal have pretty much a mountain to climb and still need results to go in their favour from here on in.

If you get nothing from two games against Bayern you'd have to consider that it?

Iker Casillas though, 152 Champions League games, 3 times a winner and the youngest ever Champions League final goalkeeper

denphone 30-09-2015 06:21

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To basically go out after two games is shocking because they won't get nothing against the mighty Bayern so they are out in my book.:td:

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Originally Posted by thenry (Post 35800970)
If the PL sides are suffering from the strength of the PL then why try so hard in the CL? Arsenal being overintricate during tough times doesn't make sense?

Arsenal have one predictable style and that is it and teams suss that out very easily.

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35800971)
I think it's more about preparation and mental focus/fatigue. If they had the chance to rest some players more or take a breather during the games then it wouldn't be so bad but instead they don't the time to have a single lapse of concentration and then when they finally hear the final whistle they have to throw themselves into the next game at the same intensity.

It's exhausting to be 100% focused on something with such intensity and to do that twice a week. Just think of it like a work or school task when it dominates your time and then as soon as it's done you need to reach that level again? You can only do it for so long. This is a much more extreme version of that.

Barcelona and Munich can go into some games pretty much on autopilot. Do their thing and get three points and not worry really about the other team. PL teams can't.

Sorry but most of us would like to play twice a week for the money they get so l think that's a poor excuse to say they can't cope with it as English teams coped with it 30 to 40 years ago quite easily.

adzii_nufc 30-09-2015 18:31

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Think the point Damien was making was the quality of the teams they're playing at the weekend is significantly increasing when compared to I.E Leicester 5 years ago.

You'd expect them to be able to play 2 games a week easily, a lot of people make that statement, a lot of people also miss out training. We all seem to forget they do a 9-5 like most of us but with physical training.

Still shouldn't be losing to Olympiakos regardless :D

denphone 30-09-2015 20:53

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Are we all ready for another night of Champions League humiliation?.

adzii_nufc 30-09-2015 22:40

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What's Rooney on again? Surely he's a player you have to be looking to get off the books now.

Shadow Demon UK 30-09-2015 22:53

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The assist from Mata for our second goal was quite brilliant. Thats what happens when he gets into more central positions rather than out on the wing.


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