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geordiechris 30-11-2013 13:57

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If you look at what the cost of 30Mb broadband and M Phone should cost as a package, I'm only saving £6 per month. According to the email confirmation I got my package should have been £29.49 (before the £1 per month increase coming in Feb) but as it is i'm only paying £23.49

RobboEdin 30-11-2013 14:42

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Quote:

Originally Posted by geordiechris (Post 35650950)
If you look at what the cost of 30Mb broadband and M Phone should cost as a package, I'm only saving £6 per month. According to the email confirmation I got my package should have been £29.49 (before the £1 per month increase coming in Feb) but as it is i'm only paying £23.49

The standard pricing, after the coming price increase, will be £25 per month for standalone BB 30Mb and £31.49 with the landline added.

Anything below these prices, for only one or two services and already little revenue to Virgin Media, should be considered as doing well.

The claim made by nicko that the discount given for adding a landline is around the same as for paying annually in advance is clearly wrong. As I stated above, the extra cost of adding a landline to BB 30Mb is £6.49, considerably less than the £10 per month of annual in advance (goes up to £10.67 after the price increase).

nicko 30-11-2013 18:18

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Quote:

Originally Posted by RobboEdin (Post 35650957)

the extra cost of adding a landline to BB 30Mb is £6.49, considerably less than the £10 per month of annual in advance (goes up to £10.67 after the price increase).


No it's not, broadband is not charged at £25 if you have a landline, it's charged at something like £16 + phone line £16 = £32 approx. if you then pay phone upfront you can save £6 approx = £26 which is roughly what this fella has been offered to stay with Virgin.

RobboEdin 30-11-2013 18:39

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Originally Posted by nicko (Post 35650996)
No it's not, broadband is not charged at £25 if you have a landline, it's charged at something like £16 + phone line £16 = £32 approx. if you then pay phone upfront you can save £6 approx = £26 which is roughly what this fella has been offered to stay with Virgin.

You're simply not looking at this from a logical point of view!

Arithmetic here in Scotland is a law of nature.

You are paying £25 per month for a BB service.

If you add a landline, the charge becomes £31.49, meaning that the additional charge for the landline is £6.49.

How it may be displayed on the bill is immaterial.

Someone paying £25 for a BB service pays £6.49 extra for the landline and, using the commutative law of arithmetic, would only save £6.49 if they chose to cancel the landline.

To show how your argument is flawed. Would you get the BB for £16 if you cancelled your £16 landline in your example? No.

nicko 30-11-2013 20:09

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Quote:

Originally Posted by RobboEdin (Post 35651005)
You're simply not looking at this from a logical point of view!

Arithmetic here in Scotland is a law of nature.

You are paying £25 per month for a BB service.

If you add a landline, the charge becomes £31.49, meaning that the additional charge for the landline is £6.49.

How it may be displayed on the bill is immaterial.

Someone paying £25 for a BB service pays £6.49 extra for the landline and, using the commutative law of arithmetic, would only save £6.49 if they chose to cancel the landline.

To show how your argument is flawed. Would you get the BB for £16 if you cancelled your £16 landline in your example? No.


No it's not flawed at all just accountants playing with figures, I said they were giving him the same discount for his loyalty that he could get by paying the line rental upfront (12months) which you disputed.
Just work out the total cost of both packages and see if they are not virtually the same cost.

andy_m 30-11-2013 20:13

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Quote:

Originally Posted by nicko (Post 35651028)
No it's not flawed at all just accountants playing with figures, I said they were giving him the same discount for his loyalty that he could get by paying the line rental upfront (12months) which you disputed.
Just work out the total cost of both packages and see if they are not virtually the same cost.

Definitely worth pointing this out. As I posted on the Netflix thread, the 6 months free Netflix is actually with less than £36. As you point out, this deal on the landline is actually already achievable by paying it in advance.

Some of the current special offers aren't that special when you break them down. Not saying they aren't worth having, just that people need to be certain they're worthwhile before they recontract.

nicko 30-11-2013 20:34

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Quote:

Originally Posted by RobboEdin (Post 35650957)
The standard pricing, after the coming price increase, will be £25 per month for standalone BB 30Mb and £31.49 with the landline added.

The claim made by nicko that the discount given for adding a landline is around the same as for paying annually in advance is clearly wrong. As I stated above, the extra cost of adding a landline to BB 30Mb is £6.49, considerably less than the £10 per month of annual in advance (goes up to £10.67 after the price increase).


The first part about the £6.49 is correct the second part is NOT the way that Virgins pricing works, if you pay landline upfront it doesn't cost £35 a month for BB/phone.it works out like this

Total bill £31.49 - 14.95 (phone) + £10 upfront phone = £26.54 which is broadly equivalent cost to the other fellas package with his loyalty discount, with as I said a similar amount of discount.

OLD BOY 30-11-2013 22:01

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So what's coming soon, then? Seems we have been a little diverted! :erm:

theone2k10 30-11-2013 22:28

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Quote:

Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35651042)
So what's coming soon, then? Seems we have been a little diverted! :erm:

Price rises :D Christmas :D

New channels only the bbc hd ones are on the Horizon.
BTW there is a cryptic clue in this post ;)

passingbat 30-11-2013 22:31

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Quote:

Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35651042)
So what's coming soon, then? Seems we have been a little diverted! :erm:


Didn't you tell us that all the remaining Sky channels are coming? Are you now saying they aren't?

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Quote:

Originally Posted by theone2k10 (Post 35651045)
Price rises :D Christmas :D

New channels only the bbc hd ones are on the Horizon.
BTW there is a cryptic clue in this post ;)


Hope it's not the blasted Horizon box.

howardmicks 30-11-2013 22:34

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Originally Posted by passingbat (Post 35651046)
Didn't you tell us that all the remaining Sky channels are coming? Are you now saying they aren't?

---------- Post added at 21:31 ---------- Previous post was at 21:29 ----------




Hope it's not the blasted Horizon box.

Well if it is and there ditching TiVo that's VMtv gone in my house straight away :(

Nelgy 30-11-2013 22:48

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Quote:

Originally Posted by theone2k10 (Post 35651045)
Price rises :D Christmas :D

New channels only the bbc hd ones are on the Horizon.
BTW there is a cryptic clue in this post ;)

This thread has now lost the plot what happened to coming soon etc ???? It's went from comments of speculation to price increases. I've had enough will now stop visiting forum and check my TiVo box on a tues or Thursday to see if anything has really happened. Few people on here full of their own importance and at best guess what's happening which rarely comes to fruition eg sky Atlantic and remaining sky HD channels. Last post an goodbye

martin201002 30-11-2013 23:15

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Quote:

Originally Posted by passingbat (Post 35651046)
Didn't you tell us that all the remaining Sky channels are coming? Are you now saying they aren't?

---------- Post added at 21:31 ---------- Previous post was at 21:29 ----------




Hope it's not the blasted Horizon box.

Horizon box looks good.

pengedragon 30-11-2013 23:35

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I'm enjoying the discussion about packages etc ( we all want to save money I guess) but maybe it should be separated from actual.coming soon stuff ? Just a thought

TAZMANUK 30-11-2013 23:37

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Horizon box looks awful

Dave42 30-11-2013 23:37

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Quote:

Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35651042)
So what's coming soon, then? Seems we have been a little diverted! :erm:

only bbc hd channels

theone2k10 30-11-2013 23:55

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Nelgy (Post 35651053)
This thread has now lost the plot what happened to coming soon etc ???? It's went from comments of speculation to price increases. I've had enough will now stop visiting forum and check my TiVo box on a tues or Thursday to see if anything has really happened. Few people on here full of their own importance and at best guess what's happening which rarely comes to fruition eg sky Atlantic and remaining sky HD channels. Last post an goodbye


:waving::waving::waving:
if only i had a sense of humour :sigh.

Anyway back on topic Horizon box has indeed been mentioned but i believe the Tivo contract still has some way to go so that may all change.
Talks of a 3tb box are still circulation as are the Sky channels launching before Christmas. Regarding the Sky channels if they launch this year i'd expect them on the 10th December along with the bbchd channels. If they don't come by then i think it's safe to say they won'y be here until 2014.



My christmas and price rise comments were meant in just humour and were tongue in cheek comments. Sorry if they've annoyed anyone. :)

JohnR5573 01-12-2013 00:21

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Like many, I've been eagerly awaiting sky Atlantic. However I have recently cancelled movies a sport to reduce bill ( sport easy to drop as I'm a rugby fan and BT have premiership covered)
With the money saved I have purchased Now TV with entertainment and movies.
I now have sky Atlantic and movies and I'm paying aprox £30 per calender month.
I'll be pleased if sky Atlantic does come, but I'm no longer desperate NowTV works fine as a stop gap solution.

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Sorry,
That was meant to be £30 per month less

harry_hitch 01-12-2013 02:47

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Quote:

Originally Posted by andy_m (Post 35651029)
Definitely worth pointing this out. As I posted on the Netflix thread, the 6 months free Netflix is actually with less than £36. As you point out, this deal on the landline is actually already achievable by paying it in advance.

Some of the current special offers aren't that special when you break them down. Not saying they aren't worth having, just that people need to be certain they're worthwhile before they recontract.

I was once told by a CS rep, that half price deals were pointless. All "losses" incurred were re-gained and profited upon within the contracted period. TBF, they probably are, but I would happily save vast sums of money over 6/12 months and pay "more" over a shorter period time, before changing suppliers to get a similar deal.

VM and Sky probably do not really care about churn if the info the CS rep told me is true (but the "churn" figures make for "good" reading in annual reports thus making it seem like a big deal, when it is not), as they make a profit on short term contracts and people who chop and change suppliers. Consumers are also happy to change suppliers as they do save large lumps of money over a reasonably short period of time.

It makes sense for people to change suppliers all the time. It helps all involved, the businesses make a profit on a 12/18 month contract and the consumer gets some save some serious amounts of money over a 6/12 month period of time on a promotional discount. :)

theone2k10 01-12-2013 02:57

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It's gotten all festive in here :D:

harry_hitch 01-12-2013 03:06

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35651042)
So what's coming soon, then? Seems we have been a little diverted! :erm:

Old Boy, you are not helping yourself. You have been challenged many times to prove your sources regarding your certainty of Sky Atlantic and/or missing Sky channels launching soon. When challenged, you have said you get inside information like many other posters.

If you get inside info and you are certain SA and/or missing Sky channels are coming soon, why ask this question?

You appear to have dug yourself into a hole here :-/

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Quote:

Originally Posted by theone2k10 (Post 35651067)
:waving::waving::waving:
if only i had a sense of humour :sigh.

Anyway back on topic Horizon box has indeed been mentioned but i believe the Tivo contract still has some way to go so that may all change.
Talks of a 3tb box are still circulation as are the Sky channels launching before Christmas. Regarding the Sky channels if they launch this year i'd expect them on the 10th December along with the bbchd channels. If they don't come by then i think it's safe to say they won'y be here until 2014.



My christmas and price rise comments were meant in just humour and were tongue in cheek comments. Sorry if they've annoyed anyone. :)

With regards Horizon, how long was the Netflix deal signed for?

Would the Horizon box allow apps?

If not, does the Netflix deal effectively extend the TIVO contract with VM?

I imagine the answers to these questions are company sensitive, but if not can some more intelligent/enlightened let me know?

andy_m 01-12-2013 03:39

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Quote:

Originally Posted by harry_hitch (Post 35651085)
Old Boy, you are not helping yourself. You have been challenged many times to prove your sources regarding your certainty of Sky Atlantic and/or missing Sky channels launching soon. When challenged, you have said you get inside information like many other posters.

If you get inside info and you are certain SA and/or missing Sky channels are coming soon, why ask this question?

You appear to have dug yourself into a hole here :-/

---------- Post added at 02:06 ---------- Previous post was at 01:58 ----------



With regards Horizon, how long was the Netflix deal signed for?

Would the Horizon box allow apps?

If not, does the Netflix deal effectively extend the TIVO contract with VM?

I imagine the answers to these questions are company sensitive, but if not can some more intelligent/enlightened let me know?

Can't find the link now, but read at the time that Netflix said they signed the Virgin deal before the Liberty takeover, but were working towards an Horizon app. I can't imagine Virgin would ever be able to launch Horizon without Netflix having made such a fuss about it launching on TiVo. Who would give up their TiVo box in those circumstances?

harry_hitch 01-12-2013 04:30

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Originally Posted by andy_m (Post 35651090)
Can't find the link now, but read at the time that Netflix said they signed the Virgin deal before the Liberty takeover, but were working towards an Horizon app. I can't imagine Virgin would ever be able to launch Horizon without Netflix having made such a fuss about it launching on TiVo. Who would give up their TiVo box in those circumstances?

Thanks for answering andy,

HA HA, not me.

Anypermitedroute 01-12-2013 09:36

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Nelgy (Post 35651053)
This thread has now lost the plot what happened to coming soon etc ???? It's went from comments of speculation to price increases. I've had enough will now stop visiting forum and check my TiVo box on a tues or Thursday to see if anything has really happened. Few people on here full of their own importance and at best guess what's happening which rarely comes to fruition eg sky Atlantic and remaining sky HD channels. Last post an goodbye

Apart from sky channels being withheld and no concrete evidence they will be here anytime soon (SA and missing sports HD), MGM and foreign channels that most people would consider niche there isn't actually a lot more to "come soon to Virgin" mate so not sure what your are expecting from this thread.

As it's a discussion forum you expecting people to just hang around and not say anything would be a bit weird. I haven't said much (I said my peace a while back regarding foreign and skysports HD) but I still "listen" and read the current discussion whether I agree or not I still respect all opinions

mhatter67 01-12-2013 10:25

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Originally Posted by Anypermitedroute (Post 35651108)
Apart from sky channels being withheld and no concrete evidence they will be here anytime soon (SA and missing sports HD), MGM and foreign channels that most people would consider niche there isn't actually a lot more to "come soon to Virgin" mate so not sure what your are expecting from this thread.

As it's a discussion forum you expecting people to just hang around and not say anything would be a bit weird. I haven't said much (I said my peace a while back regarding foreign and skysports HD) but I still "listen" and read the current discussion whether I agree or not I still respect all opinions

Agree totally, would be nice for VM mop up as many missing HD variant channels (SKY permitting) in 2014 without breaking the bank!

blue666666 01-12-2013 12:20

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still think if any sky channels come this year it will be news channels in HD.

piquet41 01-12-2013 13:27

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Hi everyone, my total channels went up from 430 to 431 last night, anyone any idea what that maybe?

denphone 01-12-2013 13:35

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Quote:

Originally Posted by piquet41 (Post 35651151)
Hi everyone, my total channels went up from 430 to 431 last night, anyone any idea what that maybe?

Perhaps MB can tell us.

ocav 01-12-2013 14:35

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Quote:

Originally Posted by piquet41 (Post 35651151)
Hi everyone, my total channels went up from 430 to 431 last night, anyone any idea what that maybe?

Sky Movies Drama and Romance became Sky Movies XMAS, but I think it's the same stream. Possibly BBC HD tests are starting this week.

Dave42 01-12-2013 14:51

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Quote:

Originally Posted by blue666666 (Post 35651140)
still think if any sky channels come this year it will be news channels in HD.

sky news HD and SSN HD only sky channels we got chance of getting

denphone 01-12-2013 14:54

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Originally Posted by Dave42 (Post 35651198)
sky news HD and SSN HD only sky channels we got chance of getting

You are a naughty pessimist Dave.:nono::nono:

Dave42 01-12-2013 14:55

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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35651203)
You are a naughty pessimist Dave.:nono::nono:

just a realist Den

blue666666 01-12-2013 14:59

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I am with dave42 on this sky channel coming,can't see sky channels launching this year maybe next year or the year after that :LOL:

denphone 01-12-2013 14:59

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave42 (Post 35651205)
just a realist Den

Yes just like the BT Sports is not coming message that we heard on a regular basis.:)

Dave42 01-12-2013 15:01

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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35651208)
Yes just like the BT Sports is not coming message that we heard on a regular basis.:)

that was the masters servants saying that not me it was always coming both sides needed the BT sports deal sky don't need a deal for the withheld channels big difference Den

denphone 01-12-2013 15:07

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave42 (Post 35651210)
that was the masters servants saying that not me it was always coming both sides needed the BT sports deal sky don't need a deal for the withheld channels big difference Den

l don't think we can moan about this year as Virgin have upped their game considerably making itself in the process the best overall provider in my humble opinion.

Dave42 01-12-2013 15:11

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Quote:

Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35651213)
l don't think we can moan about this year as Virgin have upped their game considerably making itself in the process the best overall provider in my humble opinion.

VM has had a very good year no complaints from me at all just cant see sky changing there stance on withheld channels if anything the BT sports deal would made sky make sure they wont give anyone the channels

johnathome 01-12-2013 15:16

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Originally Posted by Dave42 (Post 35651216)
VM has had a very good year no complaints from me at all just cant see sky changing there stance on withheld channels if anything the BT sports deal would made sky make sure they wont give anyone the channels

Well if the rumours of Sky not launching Bravo without an agreement with VM are true then i can see a deal being done sometime.

Sky Atlantic is, after all, about 3 years old now?

Chad 01-12-2013 15:16

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Originally Posted by Dave42 (Post 35651216)
VM has had a very good year no complaints from me at all just cant see sky changing there stance on withheld channels if anything the BT sports deal would made sky make sure they wont give anyone the channels

NOW TV is apparently doing really well sales wise, with cheap SKY Movies and access to SKY Atlantic being the 2 main selling points.

Until NOW TV has been fully milked, I can't see SKY Atlantic on any other platform.

I'm with you Dave, SKY Sports News HD and SKY News HD seem the most likely to launch on Virgin. I can't see SKY changing their stance on SKY Sports 3 & 4 HD. I think SKY might allow access to SKY Atlantic in the near future, as they enter into the last 2 years of their content deal with HBO. I can see SKY cashing in on SKY Atlantic to cover their outlay for the channel over the past 3 years.

In my humble opinion, I don't think SKY Atlantic will have a long term future.

denphone 01-12-2013 15:18

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Quote:

Originally Posted by johnathome (Post 35651218)
Well if the rumours of Sky not launching Bravo without an agreement with VM are true then i can see a deal being done sometime.

Sky Atlantic is, after all, about 3 years old now?

This from my l hear is possibly one of the reasons why it has not arrived yet but it will.

Chad 01-12-2013 15:18

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Quote:

Originally Posted by johnathome (Post 35651218)
Well if the rumours of Sky not launching Bravo without an agreement with VM are true then i can see a deal being done sometime.

Sky Atlantic is, after all, about 3 years old now?

Quarter 4 of 2014 for SKY Bravo, according to a focus session I took part in recently IF SKY decide to push forward with the idea.

Dave42 01-12-2013 15:21

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you still coming back to VM chad mate

denphone 01-12-2013 15:23

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Originally Posted by Dave42 (Post 35651223)
you still coming back to VM chad mate

Remember he has to say all his goodbyes first.;):D

Chad 01-12-2013 15:25

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave42 (Post 35651223)
you still coming back to VM chad mate

I'm looking into it just now. I received a mail shot offering me V+ HD as my secondary box, due to being a Virgin mobile customer. Problem is I've lost the mail shot. It gave a specific phone number to call, and reference to quote. I called Virgin this morning but the person I spoke too was not aware of such a deal.

I posted for help last night on the Virgin Community forum without success.

I'm trying to find out if I can sign up for 6 months half price on Premier Collection, with the £100.00 credit and have V+ as my second box.

I do have to think carefully about my options. Turns out my work has a deal in place with Virgin for mates rates. Just checked to see what I can get as a mates rate deal:

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Dave42 01-12-2013 15:33

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Originally Posted by Chad (Post 35651226)
I'm looking into it just now. I received a mail shot offering me V+ HD as my secondary box, due to being a Virgin mobile customer. Problem is I've lost the mail shot. It gave a specific phone number to call, and reference to quote. I called Virgin this morning but the person I spoke too was not aware of such a deal.

I posted for help last night on the Virgin Community forum without success.

I'm trying to find out if I can sign up for 6 months half price on Premier Collection, with the £100.00 credit and have V+ as my second box.

I do have to think carefully about my options. Turns out my work has a deal in place with Virgin for mates rates. Just checked to see what I can get as a mates rate deal:

http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/2258/9kz5.jpg

good luck hope you get a good deal mate to come back

Chad 01-12-2013 15:38

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave42 (Post 35651230)
good luck hope you get a good deal mate to come back

I'm happy to shop around. If SKY offer me 1/2 for 12 months to stay I'd find that difficult to turn down.

I'm just after good all round entertainment at the right price. The price of both companies top end packages are getting pretty expensive. Both come it at almost £1500.00 per year, and that's before you have to pay for any additional phone calls etc... Whilst it's affordable, I've got better things to spend such money on.

ocav 01-12-2013 15:40

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave42 (Post 35651198)
sky news HD and SSN HD only sky channels we got chance of getting

The amount of times I heard the words "available nowhere else" when signing up to sky does make me feel this is right at the moment. To quote the conversation;

"You get all the entertainment channels in HD including Sky Atlantic that will never be on Virgin Media"

"Sky Movies On Demand with more titles available on demand than anywhere else"

"All 6 Sky Sports channels in HD which are not available anywhere else"

Even Sky Sports News HD I'd begin to question now...

Dave42 01-12-2013 15:43

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Chad (Post 35651232)
I'm happy to shop around. If SKY offer me 1/2 for 12 months to stay I'd find that difficult to turn down.

I'm just after good all round entertainment at the right price. The price of both companies top end packages are getting pretty expensive. Both come it at almost £1500.00 per year, and that's before you have to pay for any additional phone calls etc... Whilst it's affordable, I've got better things to spend such money on.

yes agree the price of both is beyond a joke now if I leave VM it be for crappy freeview

JustaBloke 01-12-2013 15:49

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Chad (Post 35651219)
NOW TV is apparently doing really well sales wise, with cheap SKY Movies and access to SKY Atlantic being the 2 main selling points.

Until NOW TV has been fully milked, I can't see SKY Atlantic on any other platform.

I'm with you Dave, SKY Sports News HD and SKY News HD seem the most likely to launch on Virgin. I can't see SKY changing their stance on SKY Sports 3 & 4 HD. I think SKY might allow access to SKY Atlantic in the near future, as they enter into the last 2 years of their content deal with HBO. I can see SKY cashing in on SKY Atlantic to cover their outlay for the channel over the past 3 years.

In my humble opinion, I don't think SKY Atlantic will have a long term future.

I don't think Sky have a stance on SS3 & 4 HD. I think that VM wanted to offer their customers what appeared to be a better deal in offering HD for £7 instead of Sky's £10. I think that VM could offer those channels (and F1 HD) at any time, if they wanted to, but the HD charge would have to raise to £10.

Of course, I'm only speculating, but I don't think that VM think there would'nt be enough takers, given that most of the sport that people are willing to pay for is on SS1 and 2.

Chad 01-12-2013 16:01

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Quote:

Originally Posted by JustaBloke (Post 35651236)
I don't think Sky have a stance on SS3 & 4 HD. I think that VM wanted to offer their customers what appeared to be a better deal in offering HD for £7 instead of Sky's £10. I think that VM could offer those channels (and F1 HD) at any time, if they wanted to, but the HD charge would have to raise to £10.

Of course, I'm only speculating, but I don't think that VM think there would be enough takers, given that most of the sport that people are willing to pay for is on SS1 and 2.

You do make a good point.

Since I've had SKY, and all SKY Sports channels in HD, I'd have to guess that about 90% of the live action I've watched has been on SKY Sports 1 & 2. In fact I don't think I've watched a single thing on SKY Sports 4 HD in the past 12 months.

The boxing is on SKY Sports 2, Scotland Internationals tend to be on SKY Sports 2 and the Scottish Cup tends to be on SKY Sports 2. I do tend to watch tennis and have noticed that SKY shows the early rounds of tournaments on SKY Sports 3, but once you get to the latter stages their coverage switches to either SKY Sports 1 or 2.

Based on what I watch, SKY Sports 3 & 4 HD aren't that important at all.

JustaBloke 01-12-2013 16:24

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Originally Posted by Chad (Post 35651242)
You do make a good point.

Since I've had SKY, and all SKY Sports channels in HD, I'd have to guess that about 90% of the live action I've watched has been on SKY Sports 1 & 2. In fact I don't think I've watched a single thing on SKY Sports 4 HD in the past 12 months.

The boxing is on SKY Sports 2, Scotland Internationals tend to be on SKY Sports 2 and the Scottish Cup tends to be on SKY Sports 2. I do tend to watch tennis and have noticed that SKY shows the early rounds of tournaments on SKY Sports 3, but once you get to the latter stages their coverage switches to either SKY Sports 1 or 2.

Based on what I watch, SKY Sports 3 & 4 HD aren't that important at all.

They're likely to be even less watched when the Champions League moves to BT next season.

denphone 01-12-2013 16:31

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Originally Posted by JustaBloke (Post 35651250)
They're likely to be even less watched when the Champions League moves to BT next season.

No its in 2015 when it moves.

paultrademark 01-12-2013 16:42

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So the posters who are convinced the missing Sky channels that are on a list are coming in the Autumn.... are you still confident?

JustaBloke 01-12-2013 16:46

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Quote:

Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35651252)
No its in 2015 when it moves.

I stand corrected.

denphone 01-12-2013 16:51

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Quote:

Originally Posted by JustaBloke (Post 35651263)
I stand corrected.

That's okay.:)

Chad 01-12-2013 16:57

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I just called SKY to cancel my services early. My current deal expires on 15th January meaning I should actually call on 14th December giving them 31 days notice. I advised I'm aware of this but don't mind paying 13 days worth of early cancellation costs. I was told call back on 14th December, quote the persons name who set me up on 50% off friend and family in the first place, and they'll give me another full year at 1/2 price!

Must admit it's looking very unlikely I'll be coming back to Virgin. SKY are giving me everything for just under £63.00 per month.

DaMac 01-12-2013 17:16

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Are there any people who would like go be my friends or family?

JustaBloke 01-12-2013 17:21

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Chad (Post 35651270)
I just called SKY to cancel my services early. My current deal expires on 15th January meaning I should actually call on 14th December giving them 31 days notice. I advised I'm aware of this but don't mind paying 13 days worth of early cancellation costs. I was told call back on 14th December, quote the persons name who set me up on 50% off friend and family in the first place, and they'll give me another full year at 1/2 price!

Must admit it's looking very unlikely I'll be coming back to Virgin. SKY are giving me everything for just under £63.00 per month.

Have you looked at using Top Cashback or Quidco when ordering VM?

BenMcr 01-12-2013 17:47

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Quote:

Originally Posted by JustaBloke (Post 35651236)
I don't think Sky have a stance on SS3 & 4 HD. I think that VM wanted to offer their customers what appeared to be a better deal in offering HD for £7 instead of Sky's £10. I think that VM could offer those channels (and F1 HD) at any time, if they wanted to, but the HD charge would have to raise to £10.

Of course, I'm only speculating, but I don't think that VM think there would'nt be enough takers, given that most of the sport that people are willing to pay for is on SS1 and 2.

That's not true at all. It was made clear at the time of the Sky F1 launch on VM that HD was staying exclusive to Sky

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/media/ne...gin-media.html

Quote:

However, Virgin will not be able to offer the high definition version of Sky Sports F1, as that will stay exclusive to Sky.
Also the ruling from OFCOM only covers Sky Sports 1 & 2 in HD, so again it's why Virgin Media only have them

http://www.theguardian.com/media/201...dia-sky-sports

Quote:

Part of Ofcom's ruling states that HD versions of Sky Sports 1 and 2 must be offered to rivals on "fair, reasonable and non-discriminatory terms".

JustaBloke 01-12-2013 18:01

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Quote:

Originally Posted by BenMcr (Post 35651297)
That's not true at all. It was made clear at the time of the Sky F1 launch on VM that HD was staying exclusive to Sky

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/media/ne...gin-media.html



Also the ruling from OFCOM only covers Sky Sports 1 & 2 in HD, so again it's why Virgin Media only have them

http://www.theguardian.com/media/201...dia-sky-sports

I'm having a bad day today. I stand corrected again then. :D

muppetman11 01-12-2013 18:46

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Chad (Post 35651270)
I just called SKY to cancel my services early. My current deal expires on 15th January meaning I should actually call on 14th December giving them 31 days notice. I advised I'm aware of this but don't mind paying 13 days worth of early cancellation costs. I was told call back on 14th December, quote the persons name who set me up on 50% off friend and family in the first place, and they'll give me another full year at 1/2 price!

Must admit it's looking very unlikely I'll be coming back to Virgin. SKY are giving me everything for just under £63.00 per month.

Great deal , I have a discount part of which ended last month meaning my sub has increased making it cheaper elsewhere , a call to retentions may be in order.:D

howardmicks 01-12-2013 18:53

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Chad (Post 35651270)
I just called SKY to cancel my services early. My current deal expires on 15th January meaning I should actually call on 14th December giving them 31 days notice. I advised I'm aware of this but don't mind paying 13 days worth of early cancellation costs. I was told call back on 14th December, quote the persons name who set me up on 50% off friend and family in the first place, and they'll give me another full year at 1/2 price!

Must admit it's looking very unlikely I'll be coming back to Virgin. SKY are giving me everything for just under £63.00 per month.

Major result bud ;)

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Quote:

Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35651319)
Great deal , I have a discount part of which ended last month meaning my sub has increased making it cheaper elsewhere , a call to retentions may be in order.:D

I would bud,il be doing it next sept if the deal is right sky for TV. And vm for bb and phone line

OLD BOY 01-12-2013 19:06

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Originally Posted by passingbat (Post 35651046)
Didn't you tell us that all the remaining Sky channels are coming? Are you now saying they aren't

Don't know where that came from, passingbat! I was merely trying to get this thread back on track!

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Originally Posted by harry_hitch (Post 35651085)
Old Boy, you are not helping yourself. You have been challenged many times to prove your sources regarding your certainty of Sky Atlantic and/or missing Sky channels launching soon. When challenged, you have said you get inside information like many other posters.

If you get inside info and you are certain SA and/or missing Sky channels are coming soon, why ask this question?

You appear to have dug yourself into a hole here :-/

I have only said that we will be getting the missing Sky channels. I don't know what else is coming, apart from the BBC channels on 10 December. I do not have 'insiders' but I have done my research.

denphone 01-12-2013 19:08

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Quote:

Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35651325)
Don't know where that came from, passingbat! I was merely trying to get this thread back on track!

Well with Chad and his master sticking to the dark side this thread is clearly back on track.:waving::nworthy::romance:

OLD BOY 01-12-2013 19:13

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Originally Posted by paultrademark (Post 35651261)
So the posters who are convinced the missing Sky channels that are on a list are coming in the Autumn.... are you still confident?

Like everything, Paul, nothing is absolutely certain when it comes to dates. Reports of launches may well be correctly reported, but then a technical glitch or something else happens to delay it and everyone is up in arms. Just need to relax a little.

theone2k10 01-12-2013 19:13

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Quote:

Originally Posted by paultrademark (Post 35651261)
So the posters who are convinced the missing Sky channels that are on a list are coming in the Autumn.... are you still confident?

Nope and am more than happy to stand corrected , i did already state that my sources were giving conflicting information and i have got rid of them and only kept 1.
The one i have kept has said no more channels except for bbchd this year.

Dave42 01-12-2013 19:15

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Quote:

Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35651336)
Like everything, Paul, nothing is absolutely certain when it comes to dates. Reports of launches may well be correctly reported, but then a technical glitch or something else happens to delay it and everyone is up in arms. Just need to relax a little.

or even more likely I was right sky will not change there stance and not give anyone the missing channels said all alone there is no chance

denphone 01-12-2013 19:16

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave42 (Post 35651339)
or even more likely I was right sky will not change there stance and not give anyone the missing channels

No no no Dave that is not the case.:nono::nono:

OLD BOY 01-12-2013 19:16

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave42 (Post 35651339)
or even more likely I was right sky will not change there stance and not give anyone the missing channels said all alone there is no chance

Time will tell, Dave, time will tell....;)

Dave42 01-12-2013 19:19

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Quote:

Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35651342)
No no no Dave that is not the case.:nono::nono:

it very much the case Den I say once again the day sky give the channels the day they lose lots of customers sky know that to do you really think sky want to lose customers think about it Den

andy_m 01-12-2013 19:49

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Quote:

Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35651325)
Don't know where that came from, passingbat! I was merely trying to get this thread back on track!

---------- Post added at 18:06 ---------- Previous post was at 18:01 ----------

I have only said that we will be getting the missing Sky channels. I don't know what else is coming, apart from the BBC channels on 10 December. I do not have 'insiders' but I have done my research.

Would you be prepared to make your case in open forum? It could lead to some interesting debate.

theone2k10 01-12-2013 20:40

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave42 (Post 35651345)
it very much the case Den I say once again the day sky give the channels the day they lose lots of customers sky know that to do you really think sky want to lose customers think about it Den

Sky have the ability and muscle to offer skysports and movies half price. Sky will let vm broadcast the likes of Atlantic but it will be at a high price.
They are coming but when - nobody knows.

denphone 01-12-2013 21:01

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Quote:

Originally Posted by theone2k10 (Post 35651369)
Sky have the ability and muscle to offer skysports and movies half price. Sky will let vm broadcast the likes of Atlantic but it will be at a high price.
They are coming but when - nobody knows.

But you could say that its the loyal customers who are consistently subsidising the customers who get half price deals either by moving suppliers or getting retention deals year after year.:)

OLD BOY 01-12-2013 21:06

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Quote:

Originally Posted by andy_m (Post 35651354)
Would you be prepared to make your case in open forum? It could lead to some interesting debate.

I don't think it matters what I say, to be honest. It will still degenerate in an 'oh, yes it is' 'oh no it isn't' debate and although this is the season for pantomime, I'm a little tired of it.

You know what I think, and we know what you think. Let's leave it at that and we'll see who's right soon enough.

harry_hitch 01-12-2013 21:28

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Quote:

Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35651380)
I don't think it matters what I say, to be honest. It will still degenerate in an 'oh, yes it is' 'oh no it isn't' debate and although this is the season for pantomime, I'm a little tired of it.

You know what I think, and we know what you think. Let's leave it at that and we'll see who's right soon enough.

I don't think it is a case of who is right or wrong, not sure why you would bring that up.

But seeings as you did......

I predict new channels will launch at some stage in the future too, much like SA apparently will. I don't know when they will launch either (like SA), but when they will come I will be able to say I was right too.

Its bone fide information too, I have done my research which I don't need to share.

theone2k10 01-12-2013 21:31

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Quote:

Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35651376)
But you could say that its the loyal customers who are consistently subsidising the customers who get half price deals either by moving suppliers or getting retention deals year after year.:)

Very true.

paultrademark 01-12-2013 22:01

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Quote:

Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35651336)
Like everything, Paul, nothing is absolutely certain when it comes to dates. Reports of launches may well be correctly reported, but then a technical glitch or something else happens to delay it and everyone is up in arms. Just need to relax a little.

So are you saying that they are due to launch but will most likely be delayed? :erm:

If so, can I have next weeks lottery results?

---------- Post added at 21:01 ---------- Previous post was at 21:01 ----------

Quote:

Originally Posted by harry_hitch (Post 35651388)
I don't think it is a case of who is right or wrong, not sure why you would bring that up.

But seeings as you did......

I predict new channels will launch at some stage in the future too, much like SA apparently will. I don't know when they will launch either (like SA), but when they will come I will be able to say I was right too.

Its bone fide information too, I have done my research which I don't need to share.

:D Indeed

andy_m 01-12-2013 22:11

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Quote:

Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35651380)
I don't think it matters what I say, to be honest. It will still degenerate in an 'oh, yes it is' 'oh no it isn't' debate and although this is the season for pantomime, I'm a little tired of it.

You know what I think, and we know what you think. Let's leave it at that and we'll see who's right soon enough.

I'm big enough to ignore the inevitable it will it won't merry go round if you are? I was actually genuinely interested in knowing how you've got to your conclusions. They don't match my own, you're right. I don't think that Atlantic will come to Virgin. A poster here who was very confident on the basis of insider information is now less confident. You're confident on the basis of no insider information and I really would be interested to know why. Either way, like you say, Autumn's nearly done.

XxDanoxX 01-12-2013 22:27

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With each passing month we come a little closer to getting the missing SKY channels, we're also in exactly the same position as we have always been - they're not here and may never appear.

Nobody knows and 10 mins after the announcement happens that they have finally arrived (if they finally arrive) nobody will give a rats backside about this discussion.

Next......

passingbat 01-12-2013 22:36

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Quote:

Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35651325)
Don't know where that came from, passingbat! .

You didn't see the irony of your post?

The person who was (adamantly) telling us exactly what is coming soon, is now actually asking what is coming soon!

vincerooney 01-12-2013 22:54

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All I'm seeing over the weekend is people saying the missing sky channels are coming but offering no proof again? Is that all I've missed?

harry_hitch 01-12-2013 22:57

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Quote:

Originally Posted by vincerooney (Post 35651404)
All I'm seeing over the weekend is people saying the missing sky channels are coming but offering no proof again? Is that all I've missed?

Pretty much. I still love the speculation on here, although this not really speculation currently. Still it is better than nothing!

---------- Post added at 21:57 ---------- Previous post was at 21:56 ----------

Quote:

Originally Posted by XxDanoxX (Post 35651399)
With each passing month we come a little closer to getting the missing SKY channels, we're also in exactly the same position as we have always been - they're not here and may never appear.

Nobody knows and 10 mins after the announcement happens that they have finally arrived (if they finally arrive) nobody will give a rats backside about this discussion.

Next......

Feel free to start another topic of conversation.......

Mr Banana 02-12-2013 08:57

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[QUOTE=vincerooney;35651404]All I'm seeing over the weekend is people saying the missing sky channels are coming but offering no proof again? Is that all I've missed?[/

SA is still a challenge apparently as the price Sky want does not make commercial sense for VM.

andy_m 02-12-2013 10:39

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[QUOTE=Top banana;35651431]
Quote:

Originally Posted by vincerooney (Post 35651404)
All I'm seeing over the weekend is people saying the missing sky channels are coming but offering no proof again? Is that all I've missed?[/

SA is still a challenge apparently as the price Sky want does not make commercial sense for VM.

Is that based on new information?

Chad 02-12-2013 12:02

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I called SKY yesterday to discuss cancelling my contract, in view of joining Virgin, due to my 50% off deal coming to an end. As posted yesterday they've agreed to give me another 50% off for a further 12 months if I call on 14th December. However I received this e-mail from them this morning:

[img]Download Failed (1)[/img]

So I called them to ask what is going on. I explained my conversation from yesterday and what was agreed. Problem solved however the woman in the cancellation team wanted to know if I was happy with the SKY service in general or was I originally looking to cancel due to my 50% off deal expiring. I told her about Virgin being half price for 6 months with £100.00 cash back, Netflix free for 6 months and BT Sports included at no extra cost. I also threw in that SKY Atlantic is reportedly coming soon to Virgin. The person I was speaking too gave out a slight snigger and told me they hear this stuff day in day out. She advised it's simply not true. SKY Atlantic is not coming to Virgin, is not coming to BT and is not coming to Talk Talk.

Of course this could just be sales chat but she seemed pretty sure about what she was saying.

denphone 02-12-2013 12:11

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And of course she would say that working for Sky.

ocav 02-12-2013 12:14

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Chad (Post 35651460)

So I called them to ask what is going on. I explained my conversation from yesterday and what was agreed. Problem solved however the woman in the cancellation team wanted to know if I was happy with the SKY service in general or was I originally looking to cancel due to my 50% off deal expiring. I told her about Virgin being half price for 6 months with £100.00 cash back, Netflix free for 6 months and BT Sports included at no extra cost. I also threw in that SKY Atlantic is reportedly coming soon to Virgin. The person I was speaking too gave out a slight snigger and told me they hear this stuff day in day out. She advised it's simply not true. SKY Atlantic is not coming to Virgin, is not coming to BT and is not coming to Talk Talk.

Of course this could just be sales chat but she seemed pretty sure about what she was saying.

This is exactly how I felt when speaking to them. They basically said "Sky Atlantic will remain exclusive forever" (or until the HBO deal falls and they have no content).

Unfortunately with this and just the level of service and the welcome I've received (including an invite to the beta testing programme) I cannot fault sky yet. I'm sure we will see once it's installed but Sky Go, the Sports and Movies app. The remote record app. Everything I've seen so far unfortunately one-ups Virgin. It's could be a push for VM to bring me back in 12 months.

andy_m 02-12-2013 12:19

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Chad (Post 35651460)
I called SKY yesterday to discuss cancelling my contract, in view of joining Virgin, due to my 50% off deal coming to an end. As posted yesterday they've agreed to give me another 50% off for a further 12 months if I call on 14th December. However I received this e-mail from them this morning:

[img]Download Failed (1)[/img]

So I called them to ask what is going on. I explained my conversation from yesterday and what was agreed. Problem solved however the woman in the cancellation team wanted to know if I was happy with the SKY service in general or was I originally looking to cancel due to my 50% off deal expiring. I told her about Virgin being half price for 6 months with £100.00 cash back, Netflix free for 6 months and BT Sports included at no extra cost. I also threw in that SKY Atlantic is reportedly coming soon to Virgin. The person I was speaking too gave out a slight snigger and told me they hear this stuff day in day out. She advised it's simply not true. SKY Atlantic is not coming to Virgin, is not coming to BT and is not coming to Talk Talk.

Of course this could just be sales chat but she seemed pretty sure about what she was saying.

I suppose it's no different to when a Virgin rep says it is coming and people queue up on here to say they couldn't possibly know. She might have sounded confident, but she certainly can't have been sure unless all customer service agents have been briefed that this is the case, in which case we'd all know.

Chad 02-12-2013 12:25

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Quote:

Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35651463)
And of course she would say that working for Sky.

Yeah but she didn't have to say it, I'd already agreed not to cancel my subscription at that point. I would understand her bending the truth to convince me to stay if I'd waded into the call with that line. I pretty much threw SKY Atlantic at her as an after thought towards the end of the conversation.

She seemed pretty genuine however I'll happily change my opinion if someone can post some kind of proof that SKY Atlantic is actually coming. Until then how can I not believe what she just told me?

theone2k10 02-12-2013 12:36

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Chad (Post 35651460)
I called SKY yesterday to discuss cancelling my contract, in view of joining Virgin, due to my 50% off deal coming to an end. As posted yesterday they've agreed to give me another 50% off for a further 12 months if I call on 14th December. However I received this e-mail from them this morning:

http://img689.imageshack.us/img689/3785/zn2u.jpg

So I called them to ask what is going on. I explained my conversation from yesterday and what was agreed. Problem solved however the woman in the cancellation team wanted to know if I was happy with the SKY service in general or was I originally looking to cancel due to my 50% off deal expiring. I told her about Virgin being half price for 6 months with £100.00 cash back, Netflix free for 6 months and BT Sports included at no extra cost. I also threw in that SKY Atlantic is reportedly coming soon to Virgin. The person I was speaking too gave out a slight snigger and told me they hear this stuff day in day out. She advised it's simply not true. SKY Atlantic is not coming to Virgin, is not coming to BT and is not coming to Talk Talk.

Of course this could just be sales chat but she seemed pretty sure about what she was saying.

I had similar tactics i was told movies come on sky 12 months before Netflix , i pointed out not if you use a vpn they don't. They were still in denial and saying every movie comes on sky 12 months before Netflix. So merely mentioned Hansel and gretel witch hunters , hunger games , the hobbit a unexpected journey. They looked rather sheepish lol.
They say anything to gain/keep a customer it's the same with any company tbf.

Chad 02-12-2013 12:36

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Quote:

Originally Posted by andy_m (Post 35651467)
I suppose it's no different to when a Virgin rep says it is coming and people queue up on here to say they couldn't possibly know. She might have sounded confident, but she certainly can't have been sure unless all customer service agents have been briefed that this is the case, in which case we'd all know.

There's been a few things we thought we knew about what customer service agents had been told at SKY, which have turned out to be nothing more than rubbish:

http://helpforum.sky.com/t5/Sky-Prog...1198530#M20628

muppetman11 02-12-2013 12:41

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Chad (Post 35651469)
Yeah but she didn't have to say it, I'd already agreed not to cancel my subscription at that point. I would understand her bending the truth to convince me to stay if I'd waded into the call with that line. I pretty much threw SKY Atlantic at her as an after thought towards the end of the conversation.

She seemed pretty genuine however I'll happily change my opinion if someone can post some kind of proof that SKY Atlantic is actually coming. Until then how can I not believe what she just told me?

Who knows what's happening with Atlantic but for me it's one of the things along with customer services what keeps me with Sky and I've told them numerous times in consumer feedback. This is purely my personal opinion I'm sure there's many don't like Atlantic and have no interest in it likewise I'm sure there's people whove had bad experiences with Sky CS also.

What was the outcome of your call Chad are you getting your 50℅ off extended ?

Chad 02-12-2013 12:52

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Quote:

Originally Posted by theone2k10 (Post 35651473)
I had similar tactics i was told movies come on sky 12 months before Netflix , i pointed out not if you use a vpn they don't. They were still in denial and saying every movie comes on sky 12 months before Netflix. So merely mentioned Hansel and gretel witch hunters , hunger games , the hobbit a unexpected journey. They looked rather sheepish lol.
They say anything to gain/keep a customer it's the same with any company tbf.

Call me foolish but I'm happy to believe her. Of course I'm happy to jump on the bandwagon, and call her a fibber, if someone can post proof that SKY Atlantic is coming to Virgin soon. Until then why wouldn't I believe her?

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Quote:

Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35651475)
What was the outcome of your call Chad are you getting your 50℅ off extended ?

I've to call back on the 14th of December with the name of the person who got me signed up for the deal last year. As long as they are still employed by SKY, which they are, they're going to give me a new 12 months 50% off deal.

I was happy to go back to Virgin Media however the deal from SKY is just too good to turn down. Just under £63.00 per month for broadband, phone line, SKY Sports, SKY Movies and multiroom. It's saving me about £55 per month. I don't have to worry about any price increases for another 10 months.

I've said this before, it makes you think how much we are all being overcharged by our providers. SKY must still be making some kind of profit from me on this deal.

Perfect Choice 02-12-2013 12:58

Re: Coming soon to Virgin TV (2013) Vol. 6.
 
The trouble with Sky’s tactics on Sky Atlantic/HBO is that it could back fire on them once their exclusive agreement comes to an end IMHO.

By denying access today, they may gain a temporary advantage but as far as I've seen posted, there is no real evidence of a significant subscription base being with Sky purely because of SA i.e. nice to have but not enough to move to Sky if you cannot get it.

But by taking this stance, HBO may well be approached to do content supply deals with VM, BT and TalkTalk, which will easily cover the loss of revenues with any deal renewal with Sky not being exclusive. Of course HBO may continue an exclusive relationship with Sky but not sure this would be in their best interests.

So while Sky have their exclusivity in the UK (legally at least) for new content from HBO, this will not be forever IMHO and then their tactics will back fire on them.

Considering what BT have done to Sports, plus the likes of Netflix having greater access to content, Sky do have a battle on their hands as has been the case recently with Sports and they are not exactly helping themselves by forcing competitors to consider alternative roués to content instead of reaching agreements to supply channels under their existing agreements with the likes of HBO.

When is the deal with HBO due to expire anyway, was it 2014 or 2015?

Chad 02-12-2013 13:08

Re: Coming soon to Virgin TV (2013) Vol. 6.
 
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Originally Posted by Perfect Choice (Post 35651481)
The trouble with Sky’s tactics on Sky Atlantic/HBO is that it could back fire on them once their exclusive agreement comes to an end IMHO.

By denying access today, they may gain a temporary advantage but as far as I've seen posted, there is no real evidence of a significant subscription base being with Sky purely because of SA i.e. nice to have but not enough to move to Sky if you cannot get it.

But by taking this stance, HBO may well be approached to do content supply deals with VM, BT and TalkTalk, which will easily cover the loss of revenues with any deal renewal with Sky not being exclusive. Of course HBO may continue an exclusive relationship with Sky but not sure this would be in their best interests.

So while Sky have their exclusivity in the UK (legally at least) for new content from HBO, this will not be forever IMHO and then their tactics will back fire on them.

Considering what BT have done to Sports, plus the likes of Netflix having greater access to content, Sky do have a battle on their hands as has been the case recently with Sports and they are not exactly helping themselves by forcing competitors to consider alternative roués to content instead of reaching agreements to supply channels under their existing agreements with the likes of HBO.

When is the deal with HBO due to expire anyway, was it 2014 or 2015?

Good points.

The HBO deal expires 2015. SKY are paying HBO £30 million per year for the content. I'm not sure I can see any other platform paying that kind of money to access the content.

Now that SKY Atlantic is available on NOW TV, any household in the UK with a broadband connection can access the channel. That's 83% according to recent figures:

http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/rel/rdit2/...b-ia-2013.html

Even if you don't want to go down the SKY route, HBO have a deal with Blinkbox for their content. Again this means 83% of households in the UK can legally watch HBO programming without any kind of TV subscription.

If anything, more people in the UK have direct access to HBO content than in the States.

Media Boy UK 02-12-2013 13:09

Re: Coming soon to Virgin TV (2013) Vol. 6.
 
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Originally Posted by Perfect Choice (Post 35651481)
When is the deal with HBO due to expire anyway, was it 2014 or 2015?

July 2015.

greeninferno 02-12-2013 13:11

Re: Coming soon to Virgin TV (2013) Vol. 6.
 
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Originally Posted by Chad (Post 35651477)

I've said this before, it makes you think how much we are all being overcharged by our providers. SKY must still be making some kind of profit from me on this deal.

Some are in the unique position of being able to play Virgin off against Sky - in an Infinity area to compete for broadband speeds.

it makes complete commercial sense for Sky to deprive Virgin of a customer while at the same time making £60 a month.

Media Boy UK 02-12-2013 13:15

Re: Coming soon to Virgin TV (2013) Vol. 6.
 
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Originally Posted by piquet41 (Post 35651151)
Hi everyone, my total channels went up from 430 to 431 last night, anyone any idea what that maybe?

News to me - no channels has been added or removed in my areas over the past weekend.

Here is the football result that Sky will not tell you:

Sky 3, BBC Scotland 7.

The BBC pick (Hearts game) of the 4th round of the Scottish cup has more goals than the Sky two picks (Rangers and Aberdeen games).

Chad 02-12-2013 13:17

Re: Coming soon to Virgin TV (2013) Vol. 6.
 
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Originally Posted by greeninferno (Post 35651484)
Some are in the unique position of being able to play Virgin off against Sky - in an Infinity area to compete for broadband speeds.

it makes complete commercial sense for Sky to deprive Virgin of a customer while at the same time making £60 a month.

I'm in a great position. Where I live is historically a cabled town. Telewest was the clear winner in my area during the 90's. This has continued on during the Virgin Media years, not too many SKY dishes where I live.

Now that Infinity has been rolled out in my area, I'm forever getting mailshots with interesting deals from the likes of Virgin Media and BT.

It means I can bounce from provider to provider if I want.

OLD BOY 02-12-2013 13:23

Re: Coming soon to Virgin TV (2013) Vol. 6.
 
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Originally Posted by paultrademark (Post 35651393)
So are you saying that they are due to launch but will most likely be delayed? :erm:

If so, can I have next weeks lottery results?

All I have been saying is that the missing Sky channels were mooted to launch on VM this autumn. I have no idea whether the original time penciled in for this has changed, but I haven't heard or read anything about it if that is the case.

It is possible that a delay may have happened because Sky brought a proposal forward to launch Sky Bravo on Virgin Media rather late in the day. So if these channels don't launch before Christmas, this is probably the sticking point.

You must understand that these negotiations are being conducted under a cloak of secrecy and I cannot tell you what I do not know.


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