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The Artist Taxi Driver says it all.

Link removed..Please do not post links that contain swearing.This is still a family forum.

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Quite a bit of those 'expenses' are support staff and office (including rent etc) costs, both in London and in their constituencies, and travel to/from constituencies....

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7970533.stm

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Workfare Sets You Free!

You do have to wonder if they've got the idea from the Nazis. you really do :)

Poundland are getting ready for the free workers.
they've announced that they're opening 1,000 new stores to celebrate the boom.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-24345284

here we go then..
slavery is officially back in Britain. and it's even legal too LOL

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Tip of an iceberg I reckon, it's just a question of how big.

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the most widespread fraud imo is the couple living together but claiming separate

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I'd agree with that. Though not sure how you can give false info to inflate a disability claim. Saying that I can believe it but not sure how you can get away with it though. It can't be the easiest one to defraud by far.

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and renting a second council property out to get even more money

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You've only got to look at the amount of Motability cars out on the road, when they park up the drivers can do 100 meters faster than Usain Bolt.

That's the biggest money pit.

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To be fair. the driver doesn't have to be disabled to drive the car.

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I also have a blue badge, but I don't drive. If you saw me, you would question my disabilities also on the face of it. Oh and if I get caught short I'd also give Usain Bolt a run for his money too.

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If the disabled person is not in the vehicle or simply remains seated inside, then you are not allowed to use the Blue Badge.
Link

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But will it mean 6 workers doing the same as 1 worker because lets face it, they won't be putting in the same effort as someone doing the same job on full pay.

It will mean that any work will have to be menial as would you trust anyone who's been unemployed for more than 3 years to do something for nothing and expect a level of commitment / standard. It's bad enough when you employ temp workers to a job, anything responsible is a risk. So give that job to someone that doesn't want to be there and not to be paid then you're asking for trouble.

I don't think there is an answer, but doing something is better than nothing, but I think community service isn't the way to go, you might as well turn to crime if the punishment is the same as being unemployed.

And the alternative is to sit in the job centre for 8 hours a day 5 days a week, that's clearly not going to work, and IDS has stated no comment when it comes to reimbursing travel expenses to get there.

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Maybe the punishment for crime needs to be harsher but that's another thread...

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It'll be easier just to class claiming benefits as a crime.

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I can't see them not paying travel expenses.

well maybe I can.

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Then again, I'd like to think that the unemployed would consider community work a useful contribution to society in return for benefits whilst your average criminal and anti-social types would consider it a punishment. Same work perceived differently...

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I would also agree with that. If it was voluntary only.

They want to abolish the something for nothing culture by bringing in a something for nothing policy. I find that quite ironic.

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I want to know where all these 'signers-on' are going to be housed...

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They'll just contract the work out as usual to A4E and the likes.

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They'll save money on leccy bills by not being at home too.

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Of course all this pesky doing stuff for benefits could be avoided if the lazy slobs decided to take back the jobs the migrant workers are accused of stealing .

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wont be able to till we get rid of the freedom of movement act until then there will still be 5 unemployed for every job and over 40 for some low skilled jobs

But magically they will be able to find work to be done for free what a surprise. And all the sheep go baa baaa good get the shirkers

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Here we go. blame the bloody migrants.

at one time the government would be having a conference discussing how we as a country can create jobs and cut down the unemployment figures by way of real help.

but Dave has a plan where the conference is about how we can punish the unemployed, and make a rule where if they can't find a job (that wasn't there in the other conference) then we punish them severely.

like the bedroom tax.
if they can't find one of these 1 bedroom properties that aren't there. and will never be there. then we punish them.

the workers are ok with it. because they've been brain washed into thinking the unemployed are to blame for everything in this country. and they think that Dave really has this big reward for them once he's destroyed Britain.
(with their backing)

I haven't the heart to tell them that Dave is coming for them next.

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I agree totally only its Osbornes policies not DC's aint they?

If we sheared all the sheep here we could knit a few jumpers for the poor lol

It is all just a distraction anyway and will not make enough of a difference to make a difference to the economy. The only ways I see that can fix the economy is get out of the EU or at least stop paying subs,Stop foreign aid,means test the state pension and legalise cannabis all the little scores manage is getting their feet wet

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I get mixed up with them both.

The poor will take what they need from the sheep when it comes to it. don't worry about it :)

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and maybe if the "poor" took the opportunities presented to them they wouldn't be so "poor"

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I've lost count of the times it has been explained to you that the welfare reforms have very little to do with saving money in the short run ,it's far more about making people more responsible for their own welfare .Your failure to see that or accept that sums up perfectly what is wrong with the welfare society

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What was that on Daybreak this morning where someone is going to the High Court because their benefits had been cut from £600 to £500?

I bet she got legal aid @£5,000 for the morning.

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The issue that's making them not work is Child Tax Credits. Why should they get Child Tax Credits if they don't work?

People go to work to earn a living yet they sit at home and spit babies out for money.

They've always said 4 is the magic number, I'm sure it is because if you look on the HMRC website they'll give you over £300 per week in Child Tax Credits, this isn't adding on their Income Support, Child Benefit, free rent, free Council Tax, free Prescriptions the list is endless.

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Aren't blue badges for people who can't walk more than 20 yards unaided?

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you can explain your opinion as much as you want I take no notice.

My point will remain the same and that is if there is work needs doing then give the job to a long term unemployed person and pay them they are then off benefits and bettering themselves without all the bull crap sugar coating vote for us tory crap wrapped round it

Your attitude towards the unemployed sums up nicely the sheep position

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The criteria aren't that stringent. My mum's had one for decades due to chronic, early-onset arthritis, but to this day she can walk for 20 minutes round a shopping centre unaided.

You could also get one if, for example, you had an autistic child and walking them any distance through a car park could be problematic.

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That's your problem right there ,it's not my opinion it's a fact


so are you going to pay the extra tax to pay their wages ? or does the money just appear from the magic money tree

I have an attitude towards the whingers sitting on their keyboards moaning about having to do stuff for some free money given to them by the the state so they don't starve

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In your opinion

Well my cynical mind thinks these jobs are already being paid to be done and all this will achieve is people losing real jobs or subbies losing contracts another Tory cutback imo

I would rather the long term unemployed got retrained or given this work to do for a wage not benefits

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FACT,NOT OPINION LEARN THE DIFFERENCE .The welfare changes are designed to change peoples attitude towards benefits and make them more responsible for their own welfare .That was the stated aim (along with cutting back on the budget)at the start of the program ,so not opinion.Changing peoples attitude over a few generations will save much more in the long run and fortunately we have a government prepared to see past the next election

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That is what they tell you it is for. I do not take what people say as fact so you have chosen to believe what they say so it is your opinion it is fact not mine

The only reason they are not calling it cheap jobs anyway is because they can get them to work longer hours and not pay minimum wage

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good god ,your just a pathetic waste of time

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thank you for adding to the list of names I have been called this week :)

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Well considering the amount of blue badges i see in the front of £50000 Range Rovers parked in the disabled bays my local supermarket there on a good deal. Might look into it myself they are obviously earning far more than me ;)

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The parked expensive cars could belong to family members, the blue badge signifies that the vehicle is being used to the benefit of the badge holder.
The problems start when the badge holder is not in the vehicle and then the badge is being used fraudulently. [Possible fine and removal of badge from said badge holder]!

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and the fact they are often big vehicles means they are often easier to get and out of and also easier to fit wheelchair access

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So technically. it's just raising the school leaving age to 25 then.

unless you find a job.

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You'd have to volunteer to pay the fine.

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they can't ,they have to pursue through a private prosecution ,the same as motorway service stations do to people who stay past 2 hrs

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Well that does makes sense considering that the owners are young, upwardly mobile types who have plenty of money by there looks, they could easily pass for a lawyer or banker. You never see anyone get out of them that you would say would have a problem walking the 10 meters to the shop door. :mad:

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Under normal circumstances I wouldnt like anyone to lose their job but I would make exception for a couple of members of this forum to lose theirs and see how difficult it is to be unemployed.

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At our local centre there is a fixed penalty notice warning of a maximum stay prior to a fine of £60, which includes parking in a disabled bay without a permit.
System is 24/7 with numerous cameras operating.
(Notice of payment is via a posted document)
My neighbour advised me that he received a parking notice for taking over 2bays to park.
Another shopping complex nearby has parking attendants supplied by an agreement with local council, notification is by the normal windscreen penalty notice enforced by court action.

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how is it enforced by court action ? unless it is a council owned car park and proper wardens

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http://news.sky.com/story/1149182/ca...better-britain

What is Cameron playing at by stating that there will be no dole for the under 25's.

I have never heard so much crap in all my life, when young adults leave school - I there is no job for them - how do they survive. Depend on their parents who may be out of work.

What Cameron has to do and l have said this all the time - This government MUST create employment by bringing investments into the UK. At the present time, companies are leaving the UK shores as it is cheaper from abroad.

Supermarkets, restaurants and many small companies take on youngsters on a wage that you cannot survive on, a young adult finds a cheap job, his parents may be on a housing benefit, or benefit himself or low paid job that is supplemented by benefit as they are on a low paid wages - that young adult's [parents then tell the benefit agency - and bingo they lose that income.

Trouble is Cameron and Osborne never think of the hurt they bring on people.

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We will all soon suffer the hurt they have brought on.

but luckily we will have the likes of this woman to help us all through it.

http://www.policecommunitysupportoff...areandrews.jpg

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No.

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I'd quite like to see some people around here try a dose of self employment. The prospect of no work = no pay does wonders for your health... ;)

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Yup, that's a big problem. Nobody genuinely disabled ought to be stigmatised when using a blue badge but I know several people who avoid using theirs now because they fear being abused. IMHO the penalties for deliberate abuse/fraud in all benefit related matters ought to be tougher.

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I hope Gary that you are not having a dig at PCSO's as l support them to the hilt.
Also Osem, l was self employed for nearly three years and hounded by the taxman, so in the end l packed it in and went on the dole for six weeks.

I was banned for two months from unemployment benefit and put on Income Support.

I depended on that so much, the thing that annoyed me was when l was in the employment office, an Indian guy was telling his friends on how to cheat the system in FULL VIEW of workers there and not one done anything about it.

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Ironic how the thread full of all types benefit news so its almost impossible to follow is now on the blue badge which is a concession not a benefit

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But the Tories wouldn't need to be seen as the big bad wolf in all this had Labour not let the welfare state get so out of hand in their 13 years. Drug addicts and alcoholics should never be allowed to claim the benefits they do. What makes me laugh, is I see people claiming Incapacity or now ESA for illnesses which I have and I would get laughed out of my GP's surgery if I asked them to sign me off with those illnesses.

But Labour let the benefits culture grow, and now the Tories are looking bad because they want to cut the bill down by stopping those who don't deserve to claim benefits.

One story though, had my induction today for a work placement in B&M, manager told me someone else sent by the Jobcentre agreed to start, then called yesterday and said he had changed his mind and wouldn't be turning up for it. Even though it says you get sanctioned for at least 13 weeks, bet he gets away with a slap on the wrist and no sanctions at all. Me, I would have been hit with a 26 week sanction. Not fair.

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remember it was Thatcher who made easy to claim incapacity as it massaged the unemployment figures

I know plenty of people in need tricked into sanctions. Had one guy round here who had no money for months as he was not filling out his online job search when they had not even given him the correct creds

Not fair is right

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I've just thought. if Conservative's main stance is "For Hard Working People"

then aren't they expecting the (Non working) voters to support them?

or is it that they don't want the (Non working) people to support them?

Will it go down in history that Cameron was took down by the people he took down?

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They will win again just because no one really wants Ed in power. It is just whether there is another coalition and if the coalition has any balls

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I trust that Cameron DOES NOT get back into power. He does not give a damn about the normal working person.

Everything he has done so far is to hit the poor. He has already said that he will NOT bring in a Mansion Tax, simple reason is - he will lose his donations that keeps his party together.

IF, he is still in power when l retire, then god help me. I will be going down to the food bank, the luxury that l have is a few cans of beer a week and watching football on Tv.

If he had his way he wouldn't pay OAP pension either just to save money. Thing is what is he doing with the money that he is saving - giving it to other countries in Aid.

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Well, he doesn't want under 25's to vote him back in. he doesn't want the unemployed to vote him back in. he doesn't want the disabled to vote him back in. he doesn't want the bedroom tax payers to vote him back in.

there's only the workers left.

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Because it's a civil action, by parking in the bay, you do so under the terms and conditions of the notice.

This forms a contract between you and the car park owner, if you break the terms of the contract he can charge you a penalty, set out under the terms.

If you don't pay he can take you to small claims court and get a CCJ against you.

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don't forget, whatever the issue. It's always Thatchers fault..........

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just say you have a learning difficulty and did not read the sign

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Well you shouldn't be driving if have a learning difficulty and can't read.

Not the best defence out there.

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I do not so you are safe lol

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God. just put the man in the boot and forget about it :)

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just throw them in when someone else blames the last government cuz its all pointless but I like to play along

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From the spin it is all about the hardworkers it says so on all their flyers and logos. I also in a way do understand where they are coming from, but at the same time see I do see it from the side of the unemployed and sick.

They are working on the back of all the past history over the last couple of years of the constant brainwashing that the unemployed and sick are evil and have to pay for their sins. And it is working.

Yet those that are sick and unemployed are all for reform but not in the way they are suggesting so now we're evil and what we say doesn't mean much. The spin has worked enough to turn the workers against everyone else.

Take the Mail today, re-running a story about a family of Six saying those in work are jealous because they get everything handed to them, yet the sheeple will continue to believe them (not just mail readers). I also hear from people that are just unfortunate just to know only the scroungers, but I've yet to hear any defense if they knew what it is really like for the genuine.

I've been told that I should stop feeling sorry for myself, yet I don't in anyway feel anything for myself (I wish I did), other than feeling frustration because it is all against the unfortunate yet those that aren't affected can have a voice and it is all so clear and all so bo**ocks at the same time.

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There's signs that the "Hard Working People" are catching onto the con of "Hard Working People" already.

Hard working families (work harder)

So far we have Work sets you free and Work Harder.
we just need a few more cryptic clues to crack the Dave code.

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The Hard Working People phrase would have been thought up by Dave's specialist mind control psychology team, aka Behavioural Insights Team.

It helps divide and conquer while making the employed not feel so bad about what the government are doing to the unemployed and also making it appear the Tories think in a similar way to the employed, even though Cameron's mind control team has been leading them to think that way for the last couple of years.

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you explained that very well

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It's all scary stuff.

and to think. we had none of this before Dave turned up.
I only hope we work out his plan before it's too late.

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No we didn't ,we had society going down the toilet ,Blair and Browns mind control team did a good job convincing people they didn't need to work and could rely on the state for everything,shame some are still too brainwashed to see any different

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It's distance OR manner of walking OR walking speed OR time taken, and all of those have to without severe discomfort and not just in spite of it. Eg if you have to walk very slowly to avoid severe discomfort then you should qualify regardless of distance you can walk. Then there is a "danger to life or serious deterioration in health" aspect. Why does everybody get hung up on distance, when it is not the only test.

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Being in denial and repeating the same shallow nonsense is comforting for some folks you see. Much cosier to ignore reality and delude yourself that the 'good times' will resume where they left off if Labour are re-elected. If you say it often enough you may even start to believe it...

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Indeed it is sad to see so many people bought by the promise of a few sweeties .The other sad thing is that these people are usually the first to scream against state control and interference ,labour must love them ,so easy to manipulate

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Remember Thatcher made it easy to go on and stay on the sick so the high unemployment figures could be massaged

All this blame the last crew could go back to when the Whigs were still in power

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That is classic head in sand ,lets forget why we are in this situation and lets forget how the last government ruined this country .Yes Thatcher made mistakes ,all governments make mistakes but the scale of labours mistakes where Biblical and must never be forgotten

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head in the sand?? I only ever use the blame game in retorts for those playing the blame game

I could and will argue Labour took over after Thatcher's mistakes meaning they never had a chance now the Tories are blaming Labour when really it was Thatcher who created the mess in the first place or it could have been Callahan Wilson or Heath its all really irrelevant

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It is not the unemployed or the sick costing the tax payer all the money

It is the fact more and more people are getting old. The NI policies have been spent and the tax payer has to pay for the elderly

The figures are out there that prove it but its a far to inconvenient a truth for most to swallow

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I remember when my health went bad it was the job centre who told me I was stupid going there and recommended I went on the sick.

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And as has been stated before, NI was always seen as contributory, and was originally to pay for Unemployment Benefit and Pensions, with some now going to the NHS. It was administered by Approved Friendly Societies until it was Nationalised in 1945.

NI payments in are around £85 million a year, and state retirement pensions are around £144 million per year - not sure how you would square that circle without a cull on pensioners, or cutting the state pension in half. Or should we say that those who haven't contributed shouldn't get a State Pension?

Are you saving up for your retirement, and paying your NI Contribution?

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no no no the state pension costs 74 billion a year

Means test it

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Indeed

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as of course was Thatcher's

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Double indeed! Spend what you don't have and con people into believing they can put less into the system yet get more out. It's a very appealing message for some folks...

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So if the state pension costs £74 billion, and NI brings £85 billion, what is the issue?
So those who contribute through NI and also save up for retirement should be penalised for doing so?

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Yeah well they'd be fat cats and Tories wouldn't they... :rolleyes:

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No it is not about penalising anyone it is about the largest cost and massively so and set to rise to 100 billion if its left yet its being totally left alone and some people do not need it or all of it

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being a Tory has nothing to do with it. The largest single drain on the welfare bill by a huge amount is the state pension. This is incontrovertible

I roll my eyes scratch my head and think are theses people really that blinkered

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So what about all the money they and their employers contribute to NI?

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what about it?

What about the growing cost as more and more people live longer and longer. As I said it is an inconvenient truth but it is still the truth.

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Thanks for being so generous with other's monies.

Are you saving for your retirement, and paying NI as well?

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No it is the government that are wasting others monies not me and the sick and unemployed are not the ones taking it all.

I am not replying because I have already been open and honest in various threads and will choose what I repeat myself on ta very much

Irrelevant anyway because it does not change anything the figures speak for themselves. If you are cutting down a tree you do not start by picking leaves

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But if you pick too many leaves from the tree, it will not produce fruit....

I don't recall anywhere in these threads where you have stated that you are / or are not saving for your retirement (you have mentioned once your are on WRAG ESA), but if you feel the need not to be transparent, that is your prerogative....

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I bet you are though Hugh and I have no doubt as long as your pension does not go tits up you will have a pretty pot to sit on yet you will still get ( unless it changes) an extra £100 +per week paid for by the tax payer

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Erm, 'paid for by the tax payer'?

You must be meaning me, as my employer and I pay total NI of over £700 per month....

I will be 'sitting pretty' because I have always paid between 7 and 10% of my salary into various pensions where I worked - excuse me if I don't feel too guilty about not spending everything I earn and expecting others to foot my pension bill...:erm:

So, how are you saving for your retirement?

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by awaiting the hopefully long off death of my parents ;)

as for the rest it is still one of the biggest bills that el gov and the tax coffers pay for . Like it or not

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So let me get this straight, are you saying you want those who have worked for most of there lives and put money in to be penalised and have there pension stopped or reduced whilst at the same time protecting or increasing the benefits given to those who have NEVER put any money in because they are lazy *******s that have never worked and refuse to work. :shocked::shocked::shocked:

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Why. If i have paid in all my life because i am not a lazy ******* that has no intention of working and has never worked why should my pension be reduced to fund the lazy *******s. I tell you what as of now i agree that anyone that can work but will not work should have every penny of there benefits stopped, i bet they get a job pretty quickly then.


It ****es me off when those who have never worked and will not work because they are lazy ***** still get given benefits. Meanwhile those who work fund the lazy ***** that will not work.

These days i suffer from bad arthritis and the Doctor said i have a case to reduce my hours or not work at all. However the tramadol i get reduces the pain so i can still work WHY because i want to work.

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Yes I understand a very emotive point. However I have not and did not say any of what you said there I also have not attacked the workers over this and I totally understand your point

However the country is in the crap the economy is totally screwed and all the government are doing is chipping away at a big rock of debt with a toothpick

Now you see they are clever educated people so what they have done is manipulated the workers to react just how you just have and blaming all the shirkers for the countries woes. Dude you have been appeased. You see lots in the press about cuts and cutting back on those you think are just lazy when it actually is not achieving anything

As I have said the total ESA and JSA bills together is less than the foreign aid
yet the State pension costs 6 times as much as the aid bill and it is only going to go up and the estimate is 120 billion a year in 20 or 30 years

Now if you Hugh Barney McGrew think that is sustainable by the tiny little meaningless cuts that have you slathering at the bit after the unemployed blood then you be deluded old buddy :)

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@ Sirius: Well that's fair isn't it? I mean why shouldn't folks, who could work but choose not to or decide they want loads of kids they can't afford, just expect to be provided for by the rest of society? If people have paid tax and saved all their lives why shouldn't they have to pay a bit more to support those who would rather sit around whining all day than go out and get a job? :rolleyes:

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It's not achieving nothing. These are structural changes, intended, in part, to change the national attitude to benefit. Ending the culture of welfarism now will result in lower benefit bills in the longer term.

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Another one totally brainwashed by the propaganda.

The unemployed are not actually costing you that much in comparison to what other things

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You get no argument from me on foreign aid trust me :)

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but the welfare bill will continue to rise due to more people getting state pension

I am talking about ways to get the deficit down so we are not paying billions in interest. My point on wanting the state pension means tested has nothing to do with changingpeople views on benefits

Unless we have to discuss the whole thread with all its multiple subjects all at once ? to confusing that

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Actually pensions are a slightly different issue. While they may be a 'benefit' in the broadest sense, they're a class apart because it is more or less inevitable that you're going to get one (unless you die) and it is very, very difficult for any government to make any meaningful difference to the number of recipients or the size of the payment, due to the inevitability of old age and the need to allow for private individuals to make long-term retirement plans that take account of the likely size of the state pension. Any attempt to reform pensions would of necessity be radical.

Benefits for working age people are a different matter entirely. A lot of things can be changed with the aim of paying less money, or no money, to anyone who ought to be able to support themselves. In this area, the amount saved by, say, allowing fiscal drag to reduce the value of tax credits or JSA may be small in the immediate term, but in the longer term the expectation that these benefits will be worth less, or harder to get, will reduce the number of people who are prepared to pass over a potential job and result in a larger saving.

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still comes out of the welfare bill and the tax payers pocket due to all the funds already being long gone