Originally Posted by Russ (Post 35589130)

I've tried changing the language of mine to US English but it's still not working.

Originally Posted by Jameseh (Post 35589160)

You can make it go to the list of all programs/apps instead and you right click for shut down options, don't know what else you use your start menu for.

Originally Posted by Russ (Post 35589164)

StartIsBack is staying for me then.

Originally Posted by Jameseh (Post 35589432)

Still can't get the upgrade to work after changing everything to US English.

Originally Posted by Jameseh (Post 35589240)

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/local/2013/06/3.jpg

That's all you'd see though, basically just a full screen 'show all programs'.

Originally Posted by Dave42 (Post 35589433)

try the iso files that should work

Originally Posted by Sirius (Post 35589439)

So has any confirmed they have blocked the 3rd party start button apps in this update. I might try sending Micros$ft an email but they will probably not reply. ????

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So it is nothing like you have in the normal start menu which would show your installed programs such as those you install after you have installed windows, ie office or games like BF3

What a sodding joke and here was i thinking they might see sense. If only BF3 would run in linux i would not need windows. Still i will never pay for another Microsoft product anymore after this.

Originally Posted by Russ (Post 35589526)

I quite like it to be honest but it does wipe off your programmes. Not happy about Kaspersky Pure 3 not being compatible, neither is the Norton Identity Toolbar.

I have a copy of NIS 2013 I'm just trying to install instead of KP3...

Originally Posted by Sirius (Post 35589439)

So it is nothing like you have in the normal start menu which would show your installed programs such as those you install after you have installed windows, ie office or games like BF3

What a sodding joke and here was i thinking they might see sense. If only BF3 would run in linux i would not need windows. Still i will never pay for another Microsoft product anymore after this.

Originally Posted by Russ (Post 35589537)

And NIS 13 installs (and works) just fine :)

Interestingly the standalone password toolbar doesn't work but the one included with NIS is fine. Odd but there you go.

Originally Posted by Sirius (Post 35589694)

Does startisback work Russ as that's my savoir when it comes to windows 8. Without that i would be well and truly buggered and would have to revert to using pirated copys of windows 7 as microcrap refuse to return my windows 7 legit key to active.

Originally Posted by Jameseh (Post 35589776)

Ring the support line.

Originally Posted by tizmeinnit (Post 35589923)

start8 has updates or 8.1

Originally Posted by Sirius (Post 35591461)

I have now returned to this country from malta and i have installed the 8.1 beta. My first impression is that when those of us asked for a start menu we did not quite ask the right question so Microsoft decided to do as we asked.

This means we were given a half way house that works but is not really what we asked for. I will try it over the next few days and see if it works. If not its back to a copy of Windows 8 with startisback and the updates turned off so i dont get 8.1 forced on me.

BTW on a separate subject has any noticed that no matter what you do you cannot stop the Bing desktop update showing up in updates EVEN if you tell it not to show again. Bing desktop is a major piece of crap and Microsoft should be ashamed of themselves for making it.

Originally Posted by Dave42 (Post 35591463)

you can boot straight to desktop which I sure you be happy about and can make it show your programs instead of start screen if you wish too when you click start button which should be better for you sirus as I know you hate the start screen plus can turn of the hot corners too if you chose so 8.1 gives you lot more choice

Originally Posted by Sirius (Post 35591466)

I am slowly going through the options at the moment. :)

Originally Posted by Dave42 (Post 35591471)

to get to desktop boot options right click on taskbar on desktop then click properties then navigation menu for options you want Sirus mate

Originally Posted by tizmeinnit (Post 35591881)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=21LtA5-wiwU leap motion on windows 8

Available Amazon end of the month I will buy one this year

Originally Posted by damien c (Post 35593227)

Gone back to Windows 7.

8.1 looked like it was going to be really good, as I had none of the problems that I got with Windows 8 in terms of installing drivers and random crashes.

Then I tried to play a game of COD 4 and it locked my pc up fully, and I then tried it the next morning again and this time other games that were working stopped working.

Looks like I will be on Windows 7 for a long time yet.

Originally Posted by Russ (Post 35592127)

Not sure if this has already been posted but right-clicking on 8.1's start button brings up some helpful options albeit on a lesser scale than left-clicking on 7's button.

Originally Posted by Jameseh (Post 35593293)

I'm sure it now has the shut down options too.

Originally Posted by Graham M (Post 35593288)

Has it changed from 8's right click in the bottom-left Russ?

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Originally Posted by Jameseh (Post 35596389)

Has anyone with 8.1b been able to remove it or reinstall Windows 8 RTM without having to start from Windows 7 again?

Originally Posted by Jameseh (Post 35596429)

Right that was my worry, the W7 disc is christ knows where and I just lent the disc drive from a friend to install it last time.

Its my final straw anyway, I'm moving to Ubuntu.

Originally Posted by Jameseh (Post 35596429)

Right that was my worry, the W7 disc is christ knows where and I just lent the disc drive from a friend to install it last time.

Its my final straw anyway, I'm moving to Ubuntu.

Originally Posted by Jameseh (Post 35596780)

Tried Ubuntu, its okay but I'm pining for Photoshop and a decent Skype app so I've bought one of those 4p to produce DVD drives on eBay so I can reinstall Windows 7.

I just want a working computer and my bloody sanity back.

Originally Posted by Sirius (Post 35596792)

I want the same. Windows 8 will go down in history as the same rubbish as windows Millennium and windows Vista.

Originally Posted by damien c (Post 35596808)

It will go down in history to me as being the worst OS I have used, since I had no issues with ME or Vista.

I will get rid of Windows though, if the day ever comes that DirectX works on Linux so that I can still game.

Originally Posted by SnoopZ (Post 35610095)

Windows 8.1 will start to roll out to everyone on windows 8 as a free upgrade on October 18th from the windows store.

http://www.techspot.com/news/53622-m...ober-18th.html

Originally Posted by Dave42 (Post 35610108)

cant wait roll on October :):):)

Originally Posted by Sirius (Post 35610115)

I will wait for windows 9 and see what that's like, happily ruining windows 7 :)

Originally Posted by Dave42 (Post 35610127)

9 will be more like windows 8 than 7 IMHO more improvements on the metro side

Originally Posted by tizmeinnit (Post 35614413)

use the search luke

Originally Posted by idi banashapan (Post 35614549)

The problem is, unless you know the exact name if what you're looking for, even the search function isn't helpful. Calculator is pretty easy, but there's a lot more than that in the windows OS.

Originally Posted by tizmeinnit (Post 35614413)

use the search luke

Originally Posted by Stuart (Post 35614603)

The thing is, while a decent search tool can be handy (not that I am implying that Windows 8 has a decent search tool, as it doesn't), if users are having to search for basic things like a calculator, what really is the point of having a resource-hungry gui?

Originally Posted by tizmeinnit (Post 35614607)

Most windows users will use only a fraction of what the pc can do.
There is more than one search method in 8 have no problem with any of them and if you do not know the name why would you want to use it?
resource hungry gui? funny win 8 is the lightest out the box since XP

Originally Posted by Sirius (Post 35614615)

Shame it does not act or feel anything like that. ;)

If you had a room of say 100 non windows 8 users and asked them to do a variety of tasks with windows 8 that they can presently do now with windows 7, how many would you say would be able to do it as quickly as they do now and how many would say WTF, why does it look like a mobile phone or pad interface ????.

Microsoft decided to force a whole new way of working on there users and never at one time prior to it did it strike them that people might be a bit ****ed off about it :LOL:

Originally Posted by tizmeinnit (Post 35614598)

Oh right thanks for setting me straight I know nothing about computers like ;)

Originally Posted by idi banashapan (Post 35614619)

windows 8 might work nicely on a touch screen tablet device, but on a desktop, it's not so friendly in terms of an interface.

microsoft's mistake is thinking they can make a one-size-fits-all OS. if we take into account the number of businesses out there that are MS domains, having to retrain the staff on how to use the OS is going to be painful for the admins. especially as a large number of users already have serious PC illiteracy issues. windows 8 only goes into compounding the fact they will essentially need to relearn a new way of doing things.

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please don't bring back the old attitude that everything is a personal attack on your windows desktop knowledge. the sarcastic, passive-aggressive comments were not welcome under the old name, let's not associate them with the new one, smiley or no smiley.

Originally Posted by tizmeinnit (Post 35614621)

it takes 1 minute to add a start menu and then its just like any other windows since 95 pretty much

Originally Posted by tizmeinnit (Post 35614621)

Please do not tell me what to do that is the teams job not yours

Originally Posted by dilligaf1701 (Post 35614623)

Just as long as Microsoft don't try to put the start menu back. I much prefer it the way it is. I guess in windows 9 they could have it with metro or not as an option in the installer.

Originally Posted by idi banashapan (Post 35614622)

You work as a system admin in a medium to large company, right?



think of it as friendly comment on an observation. you can take it as advice if you like, or you can ignore it and potentially end up in the same position as last time. personally, I don't care. It was a comment for your benefit, not mine. this is the last I will say of it as it's now off topic.

Originally Posted by idi banashapan (Post 35614626)

that really is all that is needed. I for one don't mind W8, but I'm an experienced Windows user. all the same, I don't like the way W8 flicks between the metro interface and the 'old' style desktop. just keep it on the desktop imo. metro for a tablet, sure. not so much for desktop machines.

Originally Posted by tizmeinnit (Post 35614627)

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as I said it takes just one minute to change all that. And it could be slipstreamed for mass deployment if needed

Originally Posted by tizmeinnit (Post 35614627)

I do not get in trouble because of my arrogance when it comes to tech. In fact its the tech support I have offered the forum that has extended me the grace period I now enjoy. What gets me into trouble is I take no crap and speak my mind that is not going to change. The same result for this name is inevitable due to those reasons

Originally Posted by idi banashapan (Post 35614643)

just remember, you're not the only one here who can offer advice on computing. there are a number of very useful and friendly posters here who offer more than desktop pc advice. you are by no means an authoritative figure. imo, just lose the attitude and the anger. you're no special more special than anyone else here. :)

Originally Posted by tizmeinnit (Post 35614645)

lol you talk like your trying to help yet you are condescending yourself. I will continue as I am and if our opinions differ I can live with that. Cheers Dad ;)

Please be aware that all I said today was " use the search luke" to the guy who could not find the calculator which is very easy to find using the search ( or in my case a keyboard key) then I get you trying to teach me to suck eggs so of course I was sarcastic in my reply. You no likey? me no carey

Originally Posted by tizmeinnit (Post 35614621)

it takes 1 minute to add a start menu and then its just like any other windows since 95 pretty much

Please do not tell me what to do that is the teams job not yours

Originally Posted by tizmeinnit (Post 35614607)

Most windows users will use only a fraction of what the pc can do.
There is more than one search method in 8 have no problem with any of them and if you do not know the name why would you want to use it?
resource hungry gui? funny win 8 is the lightest out the box since XP

Originally Posted by Stuart (Post 35614657)

Not as light as an OS with just a command line which is effectively what you are using if you need to resort to searching for everything.

Originally Posted by Sirius (Post 35614651)

But why should we have to add a start button, seems to me they don't have a clue how to offer an option to there users and instead make some else do it. User friendly os my arse.

BTW i have lots of patience, but not for an over hyped under powered mobile phone operating system. Lets be truthful here it has not got a very good reputation, in fact a reputation that has forced the company who created it to rush out a fix with i might say a start button that is still nothing like the original one, could that be because it has not sold anywhere near what they expected it to sell, could it be that they know it will be very hard now to temp windows 7 users to down grade there massively better OS for this pile of cow excreta :)

Originally Posted by Ben B (Post 35614763)

I for one have no issues with Windows 8, Windows + Q to get to the search for applications is easy enough and applications I use regularly I add a shortcut to the desktop or pin it to the taskbar, you just have to adapt. Then again I didn't really use the Start Menu on Windows 7, so there wasn't that much to adapt to for me personally. I just think a lot of people don't like change

Originally Posted by tizmeinnit (Post 35614794)

and no one is twisting your arm making you use it either. Yet you have a few times, liked it then not liked it again when something does not work right yet like an old game like Call of Duty 4 for example

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you are right :)

I however embrace it because change in tech means advancement :)

Originally Posted by Ben B (Post 35614763)

I for one have no issues with Windows 8, Windows + Q to get to the search for applications is easy enough and applications I use regularly I add a shortcut to the desktop or pin it to the taskbar, you just have to adapt. Then again I didn't really use the Start Menu on Windows 7, so there wasn't that much to adapt to for me personally. I just think a lot of people don't like change

Originally Posted by Dave42 (Post 35614855)

exactly well said :clap::clap::clap: plus lot quicker to find your programs on windows 8 usually one click instead of scrolling threw all the start menu don't need a start menu at all windows 8 is lot better than 7

Originally Posted by Ben B (Post 35614763)

I just think a lot of people don't like change

Originally Posted by Sirius (Post 35614890)

I do like change but i like change that i can control. You can clap all you like but the sales figures for windows 8 prove its not going to be the hitter Microsoft wanted or expected. It will never be taken up by business and will ultimately join the ranks of the Microsoft fails.



http://www.zdnet.com/windows-8-conti...il-7000016222/

The sooner there are api's to allow BF3 and 4 to run in linux the better then i can dump windows for good.

Originally Posted by Sirius (Post 35614890)

I do like change but i like change that i can control. You can clap all you like but the sales figures for windows 8 prove its not going to be the hitter Microsoft wanted or expected. It will never be taken up by business and will ultimately join the ranks of the Microsoft fails.

Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35614905)

It's unlikely that most Corporates/SMEs will move to Win8 in the next couple of years - they have all just moved/are moving to Win7, and the effort involved in migrating ad fixing hundreds, if not thousands, of applications on hundreds, if not thousands ,of desktops, isn't something people want to do more than every five years or so....

According to Tiz's link, Win8 is growing at 0.5% per month, or 6% per year - so it should take around 16 years or so....;)

Originally Posted by tizmeinnit (Post 35614909)

does anyone really think M$ is in any kind of real trouble?

Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35614912)

I am not talking about MS being in trouble, just about adoption of Win8 - MS have many more strings to their bow besides their OS.

Windows is less than a fifth of their revenue stream.

Originally Posted by Russ (Post 35614910)

In overall finances, no. But compared to its past results? Certainly.

Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35614905)

It's unlikely that most Corporates/SMEs will move to Win8 in the next couple of years - they have all just moved/are moving to Win7, and the effort involved in migrating and integrating hundreds, if not thousands, of applications (including complex Line of Business and ERP systems) on hundreds, if not thousands ,of desktops, isn't something people want to do more than every five years or so....

Originally Posted by tizmeinnit (Post 35614894)

also M$ have over 90% hold on Desktop market share and Windows 8 is increasing that hold

http://www.zdnet.com/new-usage-stats...op-7000016211/

Originally Posted by tizmeinnit (Post 35615188)

I always thought RTM was the final product RTM so they can get drivers etc ready to ship OEM hardware on release day. Not an un finished product