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andrewbrown 25-02-2013 20:51
Re: ESPN, BT, Euro, Premier and Sky Sports news
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35541572)
Andrew there is no way Sky will drop the prices of their sports packages and more to the point they are likely to put them up again later in the year.
Maybe, but there are now factors involved that they can't control:

They only have 3 packages rather than 4
They have to share first choice games where they had them all before.

Pure speculation of course, but I'm thinking that they may be subject to more market forces than they ever have before in their history.

denphone 25-02-2013 20:56
Re: ESPN, BT, Euro, Premier and Sky Sports news
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by andrewbrown (Post 35541575)
Maybe, but there are now factors involved that they can't control:

They only have 3 packages rather than 4
They have to share first choice games where they had them all before.

Pure speculation of course, but I'm thinking that they may be subject to more market forces than they ever have before in their history.
But the problem is sports rights have shot up in price and it will be us the customers who will have to face the brunt of these extravagant auctions in yearly ongoing price rises.

Dave42 25-02-2013 21:01
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Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35541572)
Andrew there is no way Sky will drop the prices of their sports packages and more to the point they are likely to put them up again later in the year.
exactly Den prices will continue to go up only

muppetman11 25-02-2013 21:16
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Quote:
Originally Posted by andrewbrown (Post 35541575)
Maybe, but there are now factors involved that they can't control:

They only have 3 packages rather than 4
They have to share first choice games where they had them all before.

Pure speculation of course, but I'm thinking that they may be subject to more market forces than they ever have before in their history.
Sky actually won 116 games which is the maximum one broadcaster can hold , BT won 38 games.

andrewbrown 25-02-2013 22:08
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Quote:
Originally Posted by andrewbrown (Post 35541575)
Maybe, but there are now factors involved that they can't control:

They only have 3 packages rather than 4
They have to share first choice games where they had them all before.

Pure speculation of course, but I'm thinking that they may be subject to more market forces than they ever have before in their history.
Correction to my figures, Sky have 5 packages rather than 6 - there are 7 in total.

BT Sports will show 38 games where ESPN showed 23, mostly Saturday 12.45pm

Chad 25-02-2013 22:08
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Here is some info from BT:

http://www.btlife.bt.com/entertainme...nels-business/

"The transaction is expected to complete on July 31, 2013 after which BT will continue to operate at least one ESPN-branded channel which is expected to form part of the BT Sport TV package that will be launched by BT this summer."

I'm guessing ESPN America will be in their Sports pack.

smallclone 26-02-2013 12:31
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Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35541577)
But the problem is sports rights have shot up in price and it will be us the customers who will have to face the brunt of these extravagant auctions in yearly ongoing price rises.
Imagine how people who only enjoy cricket and rugby feel. Football has made watching minority sports unfairly expensive.

Chad 26-02-2013 12:50
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Quote:
Originally Posted by smallclone (Post 35541748)
Imagine how people who only enjoy cricket and rugby feel. Football has made watching minority sports unfairly expensive.
It's those who are in charge of cricket and rubgy TV rights who choose to sell their TV rights to the likes of SKY, BT and Premier Sports. They will fully understand that the sport is being put behind an expensive pay wall. Clearly those in charge of cricket and rugby value TV money ahead of TV viewers.

They could always break away and start their own dedicated channel like Boxnation did for boxing.

denphone 26-02-2013 13:00
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Chad (Post 35541756)
It's those who are in charge of cricket and rubgy TV rights who choose to sell their TV rights to the likes of SKY, BT and Premier Sports. They will fully understand that the sport is being put behind an expensive pay wall. Clearly those in charge of cricket and rugby value TV money ahead of TV viewers.

They could always break away and start their own dedicated channel like Boxnation did for boxing.
And then it will be £10 each for four or five different sports channels all showing their different sports thus making it even dearer.:erm::nono:

alwaysabear 26-02-2013 15:14
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Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35541763)
And then it will be £10 each for four or five different sports channels all showing their different sports thus making it even dearer.:erm::nono:
Agreed, fragmentation of sports rights is not proving advantageous to the consumer.

Doug P 26-02-2013 17:17
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Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35541572)
Andrew there is no way Sky will drop the prices of their sports packages and more to the point they are likely to put them up again later in the year.
BT have a time for Premier League which simply doesn't suit me so will stick with Sky cos of that and the extra cost. BT having some first pick games doesn't impress me as they cost extra and ESPN didn't.

TonyM19 28-02-2013 15:35
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NRL confirmed to Premier Sports for the next 5 years, including play-offs, Grand Final and State of Origin.

<sigh> Its either off to Sky or subscribe to PS online streaming service

Arthurgray50@blu 28-02-2013 19:37
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What l want to know more about is BT SPORTS joining the VM network or is going to a case of being kept waiting as usual

denphone 28-02-2013 19:50
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu (Post 35542761)
What l want to know more about is BT SPORTS joining the VM network or is going to a case of being kept waiting as usual
You will have to wait a few months before VM confirm that it will come on their network but that applies to all providers as talks are ongoing between BT Sports and other providers currently.

Doug P 01-03-2013 12:48
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It would be immensely stupid of BT not to have their sport available on VM via some means.

But then.... :-)

denphone 01-03-2013 12:53
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Sky, BT secure Premier League rights in Ireland.

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/media/ne...n-ireland.html

thenry 01-03-2013 15:59
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so does this mean extra money going into the pot for broadcasting companies or the game itself or both?

does...

Quote:
International broadcast revenue is distributed equally between all 20 clubs.

http://www.premierleague.com/en-gb/f...ast-money.html
come into it?

Chad 01-03-2013 17:16
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Quote:
Originally Posted by thenry (Post 35543110)
so does this mean extra money going into the pot for broadcasting companies or the game itself or both?
Wherever it's going, it's not helping to reduce tickets prices for fans.

denphone 01-03-2013 17:21
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Chad (Post 35543160)
Wherever it's going, it's not helping to reduce tickets prices for fans.
Or reduce prices for us TV viewers.

thenry 04-03-2013 16:23
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big money being pumped into the game though...

http://swissramble.blogspot.ch/2012/...shines-on.html

denphone 04-03-2013 16:37
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Quote:
Originally Posted by thenry (Post 35544290)
big money being pumped into the game though...

http://swissramble.blogspot.ch/2012/...shines-on.html
Yes indeed there is and its mainly going to primadonnas who don't care two hoots about the supporters and are more interested in appearing in the front page of the daily red top tabloids or appearing at the latest celebrity bash.

alwaysabear 04-03-2013 17:18
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Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35544301)
Yes indeed there is and its mainly going to primadonnas who don't care two hoots about the supporters and are more interested in appearing in the front page of the daily red top tabloids or appearing at the latest celebrity bash.
IMO the worse to happen to football in this Country was the Premier League, it is now about money and little else. The same teams year after year are at the top, you then have the middle rankers , followed by the usual suspects fighting for survival. :(
At least it is not as bad as Spain is now.;)

denphone 12-03-2013 13:44
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Lawrence Dallaglio joins BT Sport as rugby expert.

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/media/ne...by-expert.html

muppetman11 13-03-2013 09:59
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Qatar's plans for Dream Football League could see English clubs offered £175m to compete

Quote:
Four English clubs will reportedly be offered £175 million each to play in a 24-team 'Dream Football League' in Qatar and other Gulf countries in 2015.

Manchester United, Manchester City, Arsenal and Chelsea are among the game's aristocrats targeted by the Qatari organisers, whose astonishing plan could redraw the world football map if it gains support.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/foo...o-compete.html

andy_m 13-03-2013 10:06
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That's amazing money, that's just for taking part. Enough to expand the squad significantly enough to compete in it, still maintain a competitive presence in the other main competitions and take a profit from it, I would suggest.

denphone 13-03-2013 10:24
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Somehow l hope it does not happen as the top players from the top clubs have too many matches as it is each year.:nono::td:

thenry 13-03-2013 12:06
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as a rival to the CL. no.

mike_gain 13-03-2013 13:14
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Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35547689)
Somehow l hope it does not happen as the top players from the top clubs have too many matches as it is each year.:nono::td:
Perhaps the FA will follow the SFL's lead and propose that Man Utd could field a "colt" team in England while parading their full team in whatever of the money leagues they decide to play in.

For the record I agree neither with the SFL's daft idea nor this "Dream League" concoction. The Champion's League has ruined European football and the English and Scottish top flights have ruined their respective domestic football (unless you support one of the big teams from Glasgow or Manchester).

The day we get back to all games kicking off at 3pm on a Saturday will be the day football can say it is recovering.

EDIT:it would appear the Dream League thing is a hoax....still it's sad that very few were in any doubt that this could be true. A summer mega league will happen at some point.

Chad 14-03-2013 22:43
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Boxing promoter Frank Warren who own's 70% of boxing channel Boxnation today announced:

"There will be an announcement from Boxnation tomorrow concerning funding. You'll see tomorrow that Boxnation are turning a big corner."

Rumours are rife that BT have bought a stake in the channel and will offer the channel as part of their sports package from this summer. Simon Green the head of BT Sport is still a non-exec Director at BoxNation. The Independant ran a story 8 weeks ago which suggested BT had an interest in the channel.

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/g...g-8449350.html

Nothing confirmed yet however if BT have agreed a deal and include the channel as part of their sports package along with BT Sports 1, BT Sports 2 and ESPN America that will surely make them a really big player in the sports TV market.

Of course it's just rumours for now.

muppetman11 14-03-2013 22:49
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Chad (Post 35548388)
Boxing promoter Frank Warren who own's 70% of boxing channel Boxnation today announced:

"There will be an announcement from Boxnation tomorrow concerning funding. You'll see tomorrow that Boxnation are turning a big corner."

Rumours are rife that BT have bought a stake in the channel and will offer the channel as part of their sports package from this summer. Simon Green the head of BT Sport is still a non-exec Director at BoxNation. The Independant ran a story 8 weeks ago which suggested BT had an interest in the channel.

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/g...g-8449350.html

Nothing confirmed yet however if BT have agreed a deal and include the channel as part of their sports package along with BT Sports 1, BT Sports 2 and ESPN America that will surely make them a really big player in the sports TV market.

Of course it's just rumours for now.
I agree 100% Chad , it gives Sky Sports something to think about and keeps them on their toes.

HDFootyMan 14-03-2013 22:55
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Quote:
We will offer BT Sport on Virgin Media if it makes commercial sense to do so
http://bt.custhelp.com/app/answers/d...l_tw_sportfaqs

Translation: "Show us the money, Virgin!"

:erm:

Chad 14-03-2013 23:02
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Quote:
Originally Posted by HDFootyMan (Post 35548396)
http://bt.custhelp.com/app/answers/d...l_tw_sportfaqs

Translation: "Show us the money, Virgin!"

:erm:
Thanks for the link. Some good info.

"We don't know if it will be available over cable, but we are talking to Virgin Media about this."

"We will offer BT Sport on Virgin Media if it makes commercial sense to do so."

Not looking good for Virgin at the moment however BT do also state "We have plans to distribute the channel as widely as possible and we will be making more announcements closer to launch." Of course this doesn't automatically mean Virgin will be included. BT could argue that the majority of Virgin homes will also have access to Freeview. By witholding the channels from Virgin, BT could sell the channels directly to Virgin homes via Freeview. Not likely, but not impossible.

It all depends how much BT want to use BT Sports as a tool to close the gap on virgin as the second biggest pay TV provider in the UK. Time will tell.

denphone 15-03-2013 05:04
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Chad (Post 35548388)
Boxing promoter Frank Warren who own's 70% of boxing channel Boxnation today announced:

"There will be an announcement from Boxnation tomorrow concerning funding. You'll see tomorrow that Boxnation are turning a big corner."

Rumours are rife that BT have bought a stake in the channel and will offer the channel as part of their sports package from this summer. Simon Green the head of BT Sport is still a non-exec Director at BoxNation. The Independant ran a story 8 weeks ago which suggested BT had an interest in the channel.

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/g...g-8449350.html

Nothing confirmed yet however if BT have agreed a deal and include the channel as part of their sports package along with BT Sports 1, BT Sports 2 and ESPN America that will surely make them a really big player in the sports TV market.

Of course it's just rumours for now.
Now if thats true then l might give it more serious consideration.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by HDFootyMan (Post 35548396)
http://bt.custhelp.com/app/answers/d...l_tw_sportfaqs

Translation: "Show us the money, Virgin!"

:erm:
Only a fools company would not offer it to both big providers.

andy_m 15-03-2013 06:19
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I would think Bt would be on a slightly sticky wicket if they don't offer the channel to Virgin on at least a wholesale basis. After all, Sky have even been made to provide the hd versions of two of their channels. I have no doubt that Bt would like to withhold it, but I can't see how they'll be allowed.

johnasimmons 15-03-2013 09:08
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For what BT spent on getting rights they will have to sell it wholesale to as many service providers as possible (in my opinion).

Dave42 15-03-2013 09:45
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Quote:
Originally Posted by andy_m (Post 35548456)
I would think Bt would be on a slightly sticky wicket if they don't offer the channel to Virgin on at least a wholesale basis. After all, Sky have even been made to provide the hd versions of two of their channels. I have no doubt that Bt would like to withhold it, but I can't see how they'll be allowed.
well why is sky allowed to withhold channels

muppetman11 15-03-2013 10:11
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Quote:
Originally Posted by andy_m (Post 35548456)
I would think Bt would be on a slightly sticky wicket if they don't offer the channel to Virgin on at least a wholesale basis. After all, Sky have even been made to provide the hd versions of two of their channels. I have no doubt that Bt would like to withhold it, but I can't see how they'll be allowed.
Sky were made to wholesale Sky Sports 1&2 because of their dominant position with sport on pay TV , BT aren't currently in the same dominant position.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave42 (Post 35548483)
well why is sky allowed to withhold channels
The only channels content that's exclusive on Sky is Sky Atlantic , there are no requirements to wholesale this channel so platforms have to strike a deal which both feel represents value for both subscribers and shareholders.

denphone 15-03-2013 10:31
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Quote:
Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35548497)
Sky were made to wholesale Sky Sports 1&2 because of their dominant position with sport on pay TV , BT aren't currently in the same dominant position.

The only channel that's exclusive on Sky is Sky Atlantic , there are no requirements to wholesale this channel so platforms have to strike a deal which both feel represents value for both subscribers and shareholders.
Its not just Sky Atlantic which is not available but also several HD variants which are being withheld as well.

muppetman11 15-03-2013 10:44
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Edited my original post now to read what I meant to say.

coulsontom 15-03-2013 11:13
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looks like bt wont be coming to virgin judging by that. Seems bt insisting on buying direct through them to stop sky making profit on it or undercutting

denphone 15-03-2013 11:19
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Quote:
Originally Posted by coulsontom (Post 35548517)
looks like bt wont be coming to virgin judging by that. Seems bt insisting on buying direct through them to stop sky making profit on it or undercutting
BT Sports will come to Virgin unless they are absolutely stupid.

Dave42 15-03-2013 11:22
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Quote:
Originally Posted by coulsontom (Post 35548517)
looks like bt wont be coming to virgin judging by that. Seems bt insisting on buying direct through them to stop sky making profit on it or undercutting
just makes it look like no chance of it being in XL pack it be a pay extra channel

coulsontom 15-03-2013 11:28
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave42 (Post 35548524)
just makes it look like no chance of it being in XL pack it be a pay extra channel
Yes it's going to be a rip off £10 type price, maybe even £12.99 style.

For basically 1 game per week in premier league.

They will claim they have the other rights but personally don't care about French football etc...

denphone 15-03-2013 11:35
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Quote:
Originally Posted by coulsontom (Post 35548525)
Yes it's going to be a rip off £10 type price, maybe even £12.99 style.

For basically 1 game per week in premier league.

They will claim they have the other rights but personally don't care about French football etc...
Well we shall see what the price is but if its too expensive then there won't be many takers.

johnasimmons 15-03-2013 11:35
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If BT Sports - all channels - comes to VM in both sd & hd form I feel it will be nearer £15 a month - It could also include all the BoxNation boxing depending on a announcemant being made by Frank Warren later today...

OLD BOY 15-03-2013 12:37
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Quote:
Originally Posted by coulsontom (Post 35548517)
looks like bt wont be coming to virgin judging by that. Seems bt insisting on buying direct through them to stop sky making profit on it or undercutting
That would be the wrong conclusion to draw.

BT said 'We will offer BT Sport on Virgin Media if it makes commercial sense to do so.' Notice that they said 'on Virgin Media' and not 'to Virgin Media'. BT have made very clear they want to get on as many platforms as possible and all they are doing here is recognising that nothing is in the bag until contracts are signed. However, there will be a certain minimum price level beyond which clearly it would not be commercially viable for BT to offer it.

We will definitely get the BT Sports channels unless VM choose not to offer them on their platform. That would be a commercially ridiculous decision for them to make and I don't believe for one moment they will go down that route. Clearly, they would lose a significant number of customers if they did so.

Given the likely price BT will be charging and the fact that VM might try its best to have a similar arrangement as for ESPN, these negotiations may drag on a bit so don't expect to hear anything concrete until much nearer the transmission date. Don't forget, they are trying to get the best deal for you, and this takes time.

alwaysabear 15-03-2013 14:20
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Quote:
Originally Posted by johnasimmons (Post 35548530)
If BT Sports - all channels - comes to VM in both sd & hd form I feel it will be nearer £15 a month - It could also include all the BoxNation boxing depending on a announcemant being made by Frank Warren later today...
That would make the BT pack better value for money for boxing fans who already pay £10 I think. The rest of us would still probably have to choose between Sky and BT at the £15 a month price.

Jameseh 16-03-2013 01:22
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Guessing nought happened?

Arthurgray50@blu 16-03-2013 21:44
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I wouldn't mind paying £5.00 per month, if it was FOUR channels, l believe it is going to be three BT Sports channels, plus Box Nation.

Thats only £1.25 per month per channel - not bad.

Dave42 16-03-2013 21:55
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu (Post 35549284)
I wouldn't mind paying £5.00 per month, if it was FOUR channels, l believe it is going to be three BT Sports channels, plus Box Nation.

Thats only £1.25 per month per channel - not bad.
cant see it being that low Arthur be double at least

Chad 16-03-2013 21:56
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jameseh (Post 35548845)
Guessing nought happened?
The Boxnation announcement, whatever it will be, has been pushed back until Monday.

denphone 17-03-2013 06:48
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Chad (Post 35549289)
The Boxnation announcement, whatever it will be, has been pushed back until Monday.
We await with anticipation.

Gavin-D 18-03-2013 15:27
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BT Sport solo sales pitch could make it costly to Sky customers

Quote:
BT will sell its Sports channels directly to Sky customers this Summer instead of bundling them via Sky like ESPN - potentially making it an expensive addition.

Customers will be able to choose an HD or standard-definition subscription to the package of at least three BT Sport and ESPN channels, by calling BT direct.

There’s no deal confirmed for Virgin Media yet, according to the BT Sport website, but if one goes through, BT Sport will join a TV package because Virgin doesn’t allow direct sales by third-party channels

A notice on BT Sport’s website reads: “We are setting up channels on the Sky platform, so that Sky customers will be easily able to receive BT Sport in standard and high definition, by calling us. You therefore won’t buy the channel from Sky, but directly from BT.

“BT will sell BT Sport directly to customers. The channel will feature on the Sky TV guide, but you’ll have to call a number and speak directly to BT to get the channel.”

The independent sales pitch also means BT Sport will be available to anyone with a working Sky box and dish, even if they don’t have a Sky subscription.

However, it could cost Sky Sports subscribers dearly as Sky won't be able to combine both packages together in a more attractive bundle as they do with ESPN.

BT has promised to make its sports channels - which will show Barclaycard Premier League, English FA Cup and Aviva Rugby Premiership games - available on YouView and Freeview as well as its own BT Vision service.
http://recombu.com/digital/news/bt-s...rs_M11312.html

denphone 18-03-2013 15:35
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It also makes me think that like the ESPN deal in 2009 BT Sports will be cheaper to get if you are on Virgin's platform.

Dave42 18-03-2013 15:40
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Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35549956)
It also makes me think that like the ESPN deal in 2009 BT Sports will be cheaper to get if you are on Virgin's platform.
we have to see if we can get it first Den

johnasimmons 18-03-2013 15:41
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It also makes me think that VM might not have BT Sports when it starts :(

Media Boy UK 18-03-2013 15:42
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Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35549956)
It also makes me think that like the ESPN deal in 2009 BT Sports will be cheaper to get if you are on Virgin's platform.
Hope so but I think BT Sports will only appear on Virgin as part of 'The BT Sports Package' on an 'Pay as you go deal' like Sky Sports and Sky Movies.

With Virgin making (let say) 50p the head with the rest going to BT.

denphone 18-03-2013 15:43
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave42 (Post 35549959)
we have to see if we can get it first Den
My strong hunch is that we will get it.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by johnasimmons (Post 35549960)
It also makes me think that VM might not have BT Sports when it starts :(
l cannot see that scenario John.

johnasimmons 18-03-2013 15:43
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Or something like BoxNation MB?

Media Boy UK 18-03-2013 15:44
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Chad (Post 35549289)
The Boxnation announcement, whatever it will be, has been pushed back until Monday.
Any update from CF Boxing reporter Chad on the Boxnation announcement?

denphone 18-03-2013 15:45
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Quote:
Originally Posted by johnasimmons (Post 35549966)
Or something like BoxNation MB?
It would be nice if BoxNation is included in the BT Sports bundle.

johnasimmons 18-03-2013 15:55
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I have been keeping a check on BoxNation for the announcement and nothing yet...

---------- Post added at 16:55 ---------- Previous post was at 16:46 ----------

This line from BT really worries me...

We will offer BT Sport on Virgin Media if it makes commercial sense to do so

Media Boy UK 18-03-2013 16:00
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Quote:
Originally Posted by johnasimmons (Post 35549969)
I have been keeping a check on BoxNation for the announcement and nothing yet...

---------- Post added at 16:55 ---------- Previous post was at 16:46 ----------

This line from BT really worries me...

We will offer BT Sport on Virgin Media if it makes commercial sense to do so
Maybe BT are looking into:

-How much will Virgin give them to be part of the XL Pack.
-Or wants an three year deal with no cut if Viewer do not want BT Sports after 30days and Virgin are only puting an three year but like Sky Sports and Sky Movies (Goes up if viewer add channel to Package but is Cut if viewer remove channel from Package) on the table.

I do not work for Virgin Media and is just an Virgin viewer like you.

johnasimmons 18-03-2013 16:02
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Media Boy (Post 35549974)
Maybe BT are looking into:

-How much will Virgin give them to be part of the XL Pack.
-Or wants an three year deal and Virgin are only puting an three year but like Sky Sports and Sky Movies.

I do not work for Virgin Media and is just an Virgin viewer like you.
Hopefully that is the case MB :)

Mr Banana 18-03-2013 16:12
Re: ESPN, BT, Euro, Premier and Sky Sports news
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Media Boy (Post 35549974)
Maybe BT are looking into:

-How much will Virgin give them to be part of the XL Pack.
-Or wants an three year deal with no cut if Viewer do not want BT Sports after 30days and Virgin are only puting an three year but like Sky Sports and Sky Movies (Goes up if viewer add channel to Package but is Cut if viewer remove channel from Package) on the table.

I do not work for Virgin Media and is just an Virgin viewer like you.
Bit of a mare really as VM (like evertone else) realise that BT and Sky caused each other to pay over the odds for football. I see a similar dillema to the Sky Atlantic issue around percieved value and whether they will gain customers if they take it or lose custom if they don't. Reckon there is a big challenge re sports generally as Sky will no doubt whack their prices up as well to cover their inflated outlay in time for next season.

denphone 18-03-2013 16:31
Re: ESPN, BT, Euro, Premier and Sky Sports news
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by johnasimmons (Post 35549969)
I have been keeping a check on BoxNation for the announcement and nothing yet...

---------- Post added at 16:55 ---------- Previous post was at 16:46 ----------

This line from BT really worries me...

We will offer BT Sport on Virgin Media if it makes commercial sense to do so
It seems BT Sports really are in some state of delusion as its simple in that if they don't wholesale on the main providers then their sports escapade will just go belly up just like the others before them.

colin25 18-03-2013 16:56
Re: ESPN, BT, Euro, Premier and Sky Sports news
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35549998)
It seems BT Sports really are in some state of delusion as its simple in that if they don't wholesale on the main providers then their sports escapade will just go belly up just like the others before them.
Bt and sky could do a deal, which benefits both of them to Virgin's detriment.

But all speculation, if price is ok..i might get..else..not get not watch..simples

HDFootyMan 18-03-2013 17:06
Re: ESPN, BT, Euro, Premier and Sky Sports news
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35549998)
It seems BT Sports really are in some state of delusion as its simple in that if they don't wholesale on the main providers then their sports escapade will just go belly up just like the others before them.
Don't be so sure - neither Setanta or ESPN had income from offering triple-play services.

There's no way that BT will make BT Sports on VM an more attractive offer than BT Sports on BT's own platform. Why should they? This is about grabbing VM customers and live football is a great draw for that, just ask Sky.

denphone 18-03-2013 17:18
Re: ESPN, BT, Euro, Premier and Sky Sports news
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by HDFootyMan (Post 35550023)
Don't be so sure - neither Setanta or ESPN had income from offering triple-play services.

There's no way that BT will make BT Sports on VM an more attractive offer than BT Sports on BT's own platform. Why should they? This is about grabbing VM customers and live football is a great draw for that, just ask Sky.
l think there's a big difference in that Sky have far more in terms of Football and Sports rights and no matter what BT do l think they will find it a much harder sell then they think especially in these hard economic times especially when people are cutting back a lot more.

Arthurgray50@blu 18-03-2013 17:50
Re: ESPN, BT, Euro, Premier and Sky Sports news
 
My own personnel view is that IF BT Sports isnt on VM by the time the new season starts, then l will switch back to Sky for Premier League Football.

BT Sports will go the same way as Setanta, they have spent a lot of money on the football rights, just as Setanta did and didn't get enought cvcustomers.

Yes Sky do have the customer base, but if the cost of a Pat alone channel, that will put customers off.

Jameseh 18-03-2013 17:55
Re: ESPN, BT, Euro, Premier and Sky Sports news
 
Newcastle ain't going to be on BT much and I don't enjoy watching either Manchester so its not too big of a miss for me if it ends up £13+.

HDFootyMan 18-03-2013 18:11
Re: ESPN, BT, Euro, Premier and Sky Sports news
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35550037)
l think there's a big difference in that Sky have far more in terms of Football and Sports rights and no matter what BT do l think they will find it a much harder sell then they think especially in these hard economic times especially when people are cutting back a lot more.
But BT (and TalkTalk) are targeting VM, not Sky. BT and Sky both have content to offer the other side - VM have none.

denphone 18-03-2013 18:22
Re: ESPN, BT, Euro, Premier and Sky Sports news
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by HDFootyMan (Post 35550074)
But BT (and TalkTalk) are targeting VM, not Sky. BT and Sky both have content to offer the other side - VM have none.
Virgin have been a target for years but yet their customer numbers continue to grow HD so l think it will not make much of a difference as l think you are underplaying Virgin own strengths and in my mind and others they are quite considerable.

HDFootyMan 18-03-2013 18:31
Re: ESPN, BT, Euro, Premier and Sky Sports news
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35550085)
Virgin have been a target for years but yet their customer numbers continue to grow HD so l think it will not make much of a difference as l think you are underplaying Virgin own strengths and in my mind and others they are quite considerable.
You can't compare previous situations to now since, up until now, VM haven't had to compete against 2 rival fibre-optic broadband competitors who both have vaults full of TV content, including EPL football.

I think you're underestimating the threat YouView / BT / TalkTalk pose to VM but we'll have to agree to disagree. :)

muppetman11 18-03-2013 18:48
Re: ESPN, BT, Euro, Premier and Sky Sports news
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by HDFootyMan (Post 35550092)
You can't compare previous situations to now since, up until now, VM haven't had to compete against 2 rival fibre-optic broadband competitors who both have vaults full of TV content, including EPL football.

I think you're underestimating the threat YouView / BT / TalkTalk pose to VM but we'll have to agree to disagree. :)
It's about so much more than just TV though , a fully unbundled phone/BB customer with Talk Talk and Sky still nets Openreach money around £90.00 a year I believe granted its considerably less than if that customer directly subscribed with BT retail , a customer on VM has a completely seperate line and pays all their sub to VM so as you can see BT are very keen on winning some of these customers back and installing a BT line at their address.

colin25 18-03-2013 18:59
Re: ESPN, BT, Euro, Premier and Sky Sports news
 
If virgin had sky atlantic..I might consider them as viable...tv content is king

Broadband..not overly concerned (I can survive on any product)...telephone is a joke no matter who offers it

Problem for me..is Virgin are not viable for tv..and they don't seem bothered

denphone 18-03-2013 19:10
Re: ESPN, BT, Euro, Premier and Sky Sports news
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by colin25 (Post 35550102)
If virgin had sky atlantic..I might consider them as viable...tv content is king

Broadband..not overly concerned (I can survive on any product)...telephone is a joke no matter who offers it

Problem for me..is Virgin are not viable for tv..and they don't seem bothered
On the first point is that SA is highly likely to come sometime in the future and on the third point to think that they are not bothered is simply not the case as the last few weeks have proved.

Dave42 18-03-2013 19:32
Re: ESPN, BT, Euro, Premier and Sky Sports news
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35550105)
On the first point is that SA is highly likely to come sometime in the future and on the third point to think that they are not bothered is simply not the case as the last few weeks have proved.
would not hold your breath Den as MM posted on another thread sky advertising it as only on sky again no chance we get it

denphone 18-03-2013 19:33
Re: ESPN, BT, Euro, Premier and Sky Sports news
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave42 (Post 35550120)
would not hold your breath Den as MM posted on another thread sky advertising it as only on sky again no chance we get it
You can't say that Dave as things change very quickly in the TV world.:nono:

Dave42 18-03-2013 19:35
Re: ESPN, BT, Euro, Premier and Sky Sports news
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35550124)
You can't say that Dave as things change very quickly in the TV world.:nono:
why spend millions advertising saying only on sky why waste that money if they were going to let VM have it

denphone 18-03-2013 19:39
Re: ESPN, BT, Euro, Premier and Sky Sports news
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave42 (Post 35550127)
why spend millions advertising saying only on sky why waste that money if they were going to let VM have it
Because l have seen it with other channels and then suddenly it has arrived.

Media Boy UK 18-03-2013 20:18
Re: ESPN, BT, Euro, Premier and Sky Sports news
 
BT to stop broadcasts of Sky Sports and ESPN on Freeview around May time.

BT are telling viewers of BT Vision that BT will axe Sky Sports 1, Sky Sports 2 and ESPN around May time and broadcast them via broadband.

-ESPN is broadcasting right now on Freeview and BT Vision Channel 34
-Sky Sports 1 is broadcasting right now on Freeview and BT Vision Channel 41
-Sky Sports 2 is broadcasting right now on Freeview and BT Vision Channel 42

http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showp...6&postcount=20

NOTE: BT PLC own the Sky Sports Channel numbers on Freeview.

Chad 18-03-2013 20:58
Re: ESPN, BT, Euro, Premier and Sky Sports news
 
Nothing at all from Boxnation or Frank Warren today :(

Keeping an eye on Twitter, Facebook and boxing forums.

Frank Warren revealed on Thursday that an annoucement would be made on Friday. The Telegraph then reported it had been put back until today.

---------- Post added at 20:58 ---------- Previous post was at 20:54 ----------

Noticed some posts on Twitter about Boxnation and the funding announcement.

Tweet to Boxnation:

"any news on this funding announcement from frank warren?"

Boxnation reply:

"you'd have to ask the guys @frankwarren_tv about that one mate."

spiderplant 18-03-2013 21:24
Re: ESPN, BT, Euro, Premier and Sky Sports news
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by johnasimmons (Post 35549969)
This line from BT really worries me...

We will offer BT Sport on Virgin Media if it makes commercial sense to do so
I'd be worried about a company that did anything that didn't make commercial sense.

denphone 19-03-2013 10:44
Re: ESPN, BT, Euro, Premier and Sky Sports news
 
Sky Sports goes pay-as-you-go on NOW TV.

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/tech/new...on-now-tv.html

Quote:
Sky Sports has gone pay-as-you-go for the first time in its history, with the service now available without contract on the NOW TV internet streaming platform.

From today (March 19), millions of people can pay £9.99 a month for 24-hour unlimited access to all six Sky Sports channels via NOW TV, without contract, set-up costs or installation.

spiderplant 19-03-2013 10:58
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Quote:
£9.99 a month for 24-hour unlimited access
Err... it's £299.70 a month.

(*Typical figure quoted. Month lengths may go down as well as up)

paultrademark 19-03-2013 11:19
Re: ESPN, BT, Euro, Premier and Sky Sports news
 
£9.99 per day? Bloody hell

johnasimmons 19-03-2013 11:23
Re: ESPN, BT, Euro, Premier and Sky Sports news
 
Digital Spy reported Sky Sports pay-as-you-go on NOW TV as £9.99 a month; it is actually £9.99 a day!

Dave42 19-03-2013 11:28
Re: ESPN, BT, Euro, Premier and Sky Sports news
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by paultrademark (Post 35550309)
£9.99 per day? Bloody hell
and some people say sky don't overcharge for things unbelievable

muppetman11 19-03-2013 11:29
Re: ESPN, BT, Euro, Premier and Sky Sports news
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by johnasimmons (Post 35550310)
Digital Spy reported Sky Sports pay-as-you-go on NOW TV as £9.99 a month; it is actually £9.99 a day!
Its designed for people to dip in and out of sport , maybe a user wants to watch the Grand Prix on Sunday combined with a football match , Sky were never going to make it too cheap and risk people cancelling Sky Sports subs.

paultrademark 19-03-2013 11:32
Re: ESPN, BT, Euro, Premier and Sky Sports news
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave42 (Post 35550311)
and some people say sky don't overcharge for things unbelievable
Yeah it's ridiculous, we have a family member who subscribes to Sky with the Sky Sports package so use their login to view any games on SkySports I want to see using Sky Go.

If they made this PAYG service a reasonable price, I would have considered using it, but guess they can't make it cheaper than having the actual package from them.

Dave42 19-03-2013 11:34
Re: ESPN, BT, Euro, Premier and Sky Sports news
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by paultrademark (Post 35550314)
Yeah it's ridiculous, we have a family member who subscribes to Sky with the Sky Sports package so use their login to view any games on SkySports I want to see using Sky Go.

If they made this PAYG service a reasonable price, I would have considered using it, but guess they can't make it cheaper than having the actual package from them.
very true but should make it a reasonable price not a rip off price

paultrademark 19-03-2013 11:41
Re: ESPN, BT, Euro, Premier and Sky Sports news
 
Which asks the question, what is a reasonable price?

£5 per day seems about right to me, so even if you wanted to do it for Sat/Sun over a month to watch football it would cost you £50 this month for example.

Or if you wanted to watch a golf open, over 4 days it would be £20 which seems fair.

Dave42 19-03-2013 11:47
Re: ESPN, BT, Euro, Premier and Sky Sports news
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by paultrademark (Post 35550318)
Which asks the question, what is a reasonable price?

£5 per day seems about right to me, so even if you wanted to do it for Sat/Sun over a month to watch football it would cost you £50 this month for example.

Or if you wanted to watch a golf open, over 4 days it would be £20 which seems fair.
yes agree £5 a day seems fair to me too and they still get a decent profit

nstokes 19-03-2013 11:48
Re: ESPN, BT, Euro, Premier and Sky Sports news
 
Just been reading the BT sports post a few pages back. So no bundle deal like ESPN on Sky Sports. Looks like ill be cancelling ESPN at end of season and just prey that BT Sports isnt to expensive. If its more than £15 a month i think ill skip that but also i think £15 a month is a little steep when also have Sky Sports.

Any news on what happend with the announcement from Box Nation?

denphone 19-03-2013 12:21
Re: ESPN, BT, Euro, Premier and Sky Sports news
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by spiderplant (Post 35550294)
Err... it's £299.70 a month.

(*Typical figure quoted. Month lengths may go down as well as up)
Sorry SP my mistake.:dozey:

---------- Post added at 12:21 ---------- Previous post was at 12:03 ----------

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave42 (Post 35550316)
very true but should make it a reasonable price not a rip off price
That's good old Sky for you l am afraid.

alwaysabear 19-03-2013 12:38
Re: ESPN, BT, Euro, Premier and Sky Sports news
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by johnasimmons (Post 35550310)
Digital Spy reported Sky Sports pay-as-you-go on NOW TV as £9.99 a month; it is actually £9.99 a day!
That's daylight robbery:shocked:

Chad 19-03-2013 12:46
Re: ESPN, BT, Euro, Premier and Sky Sports news
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by nstokes (Post 35550321)
Any news on what happend with the announcement from Box Nation?
Still nothing

---------- Post added at 12:46 ---------- Previous post was at 12:41 ----------

Quote:
Originally Posted by johnasimmons (Post 35550310)
Digital Spy reported Sky Sports pay-as-you-go on NOW TV as £9.99 a month; it is actually £9.99 a day!
Consumers will decide if £9.99 is too much. If people are prepared to pay £9.99 for the service then SKY will argue they have set the right price. It's all about demand. Give it 6 months. If the service is not pulling in the expected numbers SKY will reduce the price.

Ultimitely it's a service that has never existed before. Its existance now doesn't really add or subtract value from anyone. If £9.99 is to expensive for you, give the service a swerve. Nobody is being forced to do anything ;)

denphone 19-03-2013 13:30
Re: ESPN, BT, Euro, Premier and Sky Sports news
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chad (Post 35550350)
Still nothing

---------- Post added at 12:46 ---------- Previous post was at 12:41 ----------



Consumers will decide if £9.99 is too much. If people are prepared to pay £9.99 for the service then SKY will argue they have set the right price. It's all about demand. Give it 6 months. If the service is not pulling in the expected numbers SKY will reduce the price.

Ultimitely it's a service that has never existed before. Its existance now doesn't really add or subtract value from anyone. If £9.99 is to expensive for you, give the service a swerve. Nobody is being forced to do anything ;)
Come on Chad take off those rose tinted glasses for once and admit that its a absolute rip off as even you and the master can surely see that.

Dave42 19-03-2013 13:43
Re: ESPN, BT, Euro, Premier and Sky Sports news
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chad (Post 35550350)
Still nothing

---------- Post added at 12:46 ---------- Previous post was at 12:41 ----------



Consumers will decide if £9.99 is too much. If people are prepared to pay £9.99 for the service then SKY will argue they have set the right price. It's all about demand. Give it 6 months. If the service is not pulling in the expected numbers SKY will reduce the price.
Ultimitely it's a service that has never existed before. Its existance now doesn't really add or subtract value from anyone. If £9.99 is to expensive for you, give the service a swerve. Nobody is being forced to do anything ;)
sky have never lowered prices apart when was forced to by Ofcom for overcharging on movies and sports yes they froze them for 1 year never lowered though


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