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nomadking 28-01-2014 20:19
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Link
Ethnic breakdown of street grooming offenders and victims.
30% White, 28% Asian, 2% Black, 0.16% Chinese, 38% unknown.
That report was from May 2012 and there has been more convictions since then.
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Mark Williams-Thomas, a former police detective and child protection expert, believes there is a trend which he says he was first made aware of 10 years ago in which men of Pakistani heritage abuse white girls.
But the former detective called for a more nuanced view of the problem, saying it was important to distinguish between grooming and the trafficking of young girls.
"Attacks in isolation and grooming tend to be perpetrated by white men. Collectively, the transferring of girls among young men for sex involves Pakistani men," he said.
"This is a significant problem and it's been going on for many years.
The involvement of White men tends to be for "personal use".
From Rochdale case.
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Some of the girls were beaten and forced to have sex with "several men in a day, several times a week", the jury was told.
One teenager told the jury she was forced to have sex with 20 men in one night.
Another recalled being raped by two men while she was "so drunk she was vomiting over the side of the bed".
Only nine men convicted, so only nine will appear in any figures. As they were taken to several different parts of the country, you easily be talking about 100+ more that should be in the figures.

Hugh 28-01-2014 20:21
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Or you could just as easily be making up some figures on the spot....

nomadking 28-01-2014 20:33
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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35666822)
Or you could just as easily be making up some figures on the spot....
If you're referring to my post, I did include a link to a BBC article. The figures are from CEOP. It is displayed as a bar chart and as a pie chart.

Hugh 28-01-2014 21:01
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Where does it state it could easily be 100+, which were the figures I was referring to...

nomadking 28-01-2014 21:40
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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35666844)
Where does it state it could easily be 100+, which were the figures I was referring to...
There was one instance of 20 men in one night with one girl. The girls were taken to other places to see OTHER men. Some of them were convicted of trafficking.

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The gang lured an officially estimated 47 girls (the figure may well be higher) aged 12 to 16 with gifts, alcohol and drugs before passing them around to have sex ‘with several men a day, several times a week’ in flats, houses, cars, taxis and kebab shops.
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As a result, the worst of Girl A's ordeal came after she had told police what was going on. In the four months after she spoke to police, she was driven around a succession of sordid flats and houses where she would be raped by up to five men each night, four or five days each week.
The only affect the arrests had on the pattern of abuse was that she was passed to the control of Abdul Aziz, 41, a taxi driver who would transport her between the "chill" houses where she would be raped.
Many of her abusers are unlikely ever to be identified, but among them was Kabeer Hassan, to whom she was passed on as "a treat".
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Another victim, Girl C, became pregnant at 13 by Adil Khan. She said: "Pakistani men pass you round like a ball, they're all in a massive circle and put a white girl in the middle."
I did not state the 100+ as fact, but as a not unreasonable conclusion based on the facts.
In the Rochdale case a further 40 potentially identifiable were being looked for.
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Detectives who brought down a child sex grooming ring are poised to make more arrests - as the hunt continues for more than 40 other suspected members of the gang.
...
But many more remain at large as officers try to establish the real identities of men referred to in court only by nicknames such as Goofy, Ray, Juicy, Arfan, Ali, Manni, Mamma, Pino and Arfan.
The suspected abusers have proved difficult to track down and it is feared some of them have already fled the country.

Russ 20-02-2014 11:38
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http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news...e-girl-3165067

Are we ready to admit this is a recognised problem yet?

Hugh 20-02-2014 11:46
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Russ, I don't think anyone has stated (well, I haven't, anyway) that this sort of behaviour isn't a problem, and is recognised as such - it's just that the focus on it to the exclusion of the vast majority of sex crimes that is the problem (again, to me, anyway).

Gary L 20-02-2014 11:50
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As sickening as it is. one of the things that stands out about this is the fact that it says taxi drivers turned up in groups. it just goes to show that the problem is known and is seen as normal amongst these people.

can you imagine that this was happening next door to you. you know there's a young girl, or young girls in there. and you see all these people turning up? it wouldn't take you long to work out what is going on.

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35674149)
Russ, I don't think anyone has stated (well, I haven't, anyway) that this sort of behaviour is a problem, and is recognised as such - it's just that the focus on it to the exclusion of the vast majority of sex crimes that is the problem (again, to me, anyway).
You don't think that anyone has said that this is a problem?

Russ 20-02-2014 11:56
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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35674149)
Russ, I don't think anyone has stated (well, I haven't, anyway) that this sort of behaviour is a problem, and is recognised as such - it's just that the focus on it to the exclusion of the vast majority of sex crimes that is the problem (again, to me, anyway).
The focus as I see it is that in one particular community (Asian), sex 'street' gangs are prevalent to the point that unless there's a media conspiracy to hush it up, we just don't hear about it from any other community. White Brits can be (and often are) part of any other sort of sex crime but these street gangs never seem to have any. It would appear community leaders, unless Asian themselves refuse to speak out about the problem, citing 'community cohesion' more of a priority.

weenie 20-02-2014 12:10
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**** OF THE EARTH ... All human rights should be removed from these people ...
Could not believe what I was reading especially the bit where a father took his son who was wearing his school uniform at the time. Sick Sick Sick thank goodness they were caught and God love these poor girls ... they will never get over the sickening acts that were forced on them... I hope the men rot in HELL...

Hugh 20-02-2014 13:29
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Gary L (Post 35674151)
As sickening as it is. one of the things that stands out about this is the fact that it says taxi drivers turned up in groups. it just goes to show that the problem is known and is seen as normal amongst these people.

can you imagine that this was happening next door to you. you know there's a young girl, or young girls in there. and you see all these people turning up? it wouldn't take you long to work out what is going on.

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You don't think that anyone has said that this is a problem?
Typo - I meant to type "I don't think anyone doesn't think this is a problem"/

Apologies. :(

Russ 20-02-2014 13:31
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And another one: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-26276101

richard s 20-02-2014 14:07
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Drop them off in the Artic and let the Polar bears decide their fate.

weenie 20-02-2014 14:26
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Originally Posted by richard s (Post 35674200)
Drop them off in the Artic and let the Polar bears decide their fate.
:clap::clap::clap: could not have said better myself...

Russ 20-02-2014 14:42
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That sort of punishment should of course apply to any sex offender.

Taf 31-03-2014 19:16
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And yet more...

Quote:
Five men are on trial for trafficking and raping eight girls, aged between 13 and 16, between 2008 and 2013.
Quote:
Yasir Ali
Daaim Ashraf
Akash Yasin
Mohammed Aslam
James Daly

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england...shire-26821303

Russ 31-03-2014 19:29
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Just a coincidence that so many of them have Asian names of course. Nothing to be read in to that at all.

Although it'll be interesting to hear about the last guy, this could be a first.

Gary L 31-03-2014 19:36
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Russ (Post 35685015)
Just a coincidence that so many of them have Asian names of course. Nothing to be read in to that at all.

Although it'll be interesting to hear about the last guy, this could be a first.
https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/local/2014/03/1.jpg

nomadking 31-03-2014 20:15
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Careful, it's an ongoing trial.

Ignitionnet 31-03-2014 22:51
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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 35685033)
Careful, it's an ongoing trial.
None of them are under the age of 18, we may say what we wish.

If guilty, however, there is nothing wrong with them that full castration wouldn't cure and I'm sure they would be very popular in prison. Shares in an adult-size diaper/nappy company may well be a good investment.

nomadking 31-03-2014 23:11
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Originally Posted by Ignitionnet (Post 35685095)
None of them are under the age of 18, we may say what we wish.

If guilty, however, there is nothing wrong with them that full castration wouldn't cure and I'm sure they would be very popular in prison. Shares in an adult-size diaper/nappy company may well be a good investment.
Nothing to do with the ages of anybody. It is not wise to comment on a current ongoing trial. Isn't it seen as contempt of court? No real need to comment on it until the end of the trial.

Ignitionnet 01-04-2014 00:06
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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 35685113)
Nothing to do with the ages of anybody. It is not wise to comment on a current ongoing trial. Isn't it seen as contempt of court? No real need to comment on it until the end of the trial.
We aren't in an Orwell police state just yet, even if it does feel like it at times. To be in contempt of court would require a court instruction to be in contempt of.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Russ (Post 35685015)
Just a coincidence that so many of them have Asian names of course. Nothing to be read in to that at all.
Indeed. A wild coincidence; no cultural background increasing the likelihood of such behaviour at all.

Stuart 14-05-2014 12:40
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And, they believe there are a lot more victims.. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england...shire-27394888

Russ 14-05-2014 12:49
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Quote:
"We've also identified people we wanted to speak to and they've also given us very significant accounts"
Hmmm, I wonder....

Qtx 14-05-2014 14:24
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Russ (Post 35698075)
Hmmm, I wonder....
Quote:
"We've also identified people we wanted to speak to and they've also given us very significant accounts."
Seems like every asian/muslim/transgender/whatever is innocent, no matter what they do.

nomadking 14-05-2014 14:33
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuart (Post 35698068)
And, they believe there are a lot more victims.. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england...shire-27394888
And other abusers that were not prosecuted and won't appear in any figures.
Quote:
They were then each either abused by the men themselves, given to the men's friends or offered at a price to others who were not on trial.

Jimmy-J 14-05-2014 14:34
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Said after last year's trial...

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After the case concluded, social services and the police apologised for not acting sooner.
What were the reasons for not acting sooner?

TheDaddy 30-06-2014 07:06
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Another gang :(

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...Berkshire.html

Russ 30-06-2014 07:12
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Just a coincidence that they're all Asian of course.

TheDaddy 30-06-2014 07:18
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Originally Posted by Russ (Post 35710719)
Just a coincidence that they're all Asian of course.
Are we sure their Asian, it's been very sunny recently. Shouldn't joke really, let's just hope they're caught soon and receive some prison style retribution in kind over and over again for the duration of their sentences

Russ 30-06-2014 07:27
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I can't see how anyone can ignore or deny the fact that in each of these case all members of the gangs are either Asian or non white British.

Nobody would be so stupid as to suggest that white Brits can't be sex offenders but when there are 3 or more working in a 'street gang' together there's an extremely clear common denominator every time.

Maggy 30-06-2014 08:43
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I don't care what the racial make up of these gangs are,lets just get them and jail them..

Osem 30-06-2014 08:50
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If there are cultural reasons which play a part in this behaviour within some communities it's important that they're understood and something's done about changing those attitudes not just reacting to the aftermath.

Taf 30-06-2014 10:31
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I really wish the description "asian" was dropped. It has so many possibilities from Chinese to Pakistani, Korean to East European Roma. Not at all descriptive to help the public (or police) find the foul culprits.

greeninferno 30-06-2014 14:31
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35710739)
If there are cultural reasons which play a part in this behaviour within some communities it's important that they're understood and something's done about changing those attitudes not just reacting to the aftermath.
eh? "cultural reasons"?

and what do you suggest is done to re educate sub human **** that gang raping young girls is wrong?

Osem 30-06-2014 14:49
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Quote:
Originally Posted by greeninferno (Post 35710846)
eh? "cultural reasons"?

and what do you suggest is done to re educate sub human **** that gang raping young girls is wrong?
Take it you didn't see the word 'if'?

I was referring to the particular subject of this thread which is about 'Asian' gangs. I have no idea to what extent cultural differences play a part in this but there does seem to be a link and no that's not the same as condoning rape by anyone or saying that all (or most or even many) Pakistani men are rapists.

We very probably can't re-educate some human **** but we might just be able to stop the propagation of their beliefs and behaviour to younger generations by better understanding where they stem from and challenging them. If an attitude of contempt towards women in general and western women in particular is a factor in what's going on with these gangs then it's important something's done about that before it leads to abuse and rape. Punishing the guilty is great but tackling the root of the problem is also important.

weenie 30-06-2014 14:50
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 35710736)
I don't care what the racial make up of these gangs are,lets just get them and jail them..
:tu:

Maggy 30-06-2014 16:55
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It seems to me that there is more concentration on the racial makeup of offenders than the crime or the victims.:mad:

Osem 30-06-2014 17:24
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Well there's nothing we can do about the awful crimes which have been committed is there. There is something which can be done about understanding why it's happening and trying to prevent more young girls becoming victims. That'd include the authorities taking these matters far more seriously - an aspect of the discussion which has had plenty of debate and also seems in part to have been a reluctance to accept that these young people were vulnerable and being specifically targeted by certain gangs for fear of offending certain 'communities'.

Russ 30-06-2014 17:39
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When there's a clear link between so many offenders you have to wonder why it is the authorities don't seem to be doing much or anything about it, or even to help prevent it happening again.

Russ 04-09-2014 10:45
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Oh what a surprise http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england...herts-29058297

Qtx 04-09-2014 12:14
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Why does it take the scare of bad publicity for the police to go and act on this kind of thing that they know is going on in their areas?

Wonder how long it will take to hear if they are all of a certain ethnic background? If they are 'white british' I am sure we will be told straight away...

Gary L 04-09-2014 12:50
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Qtx (Post 35726414)
Why does it take the scare of bad publicity for the police to go and act on this kind of thing that they know is going on in their areas? Wonder how long it will take to hear if they are all of a certain ethnic background? If they are 'white british' I am sure we will be told straight away...
You can tell they're Asians. you can tell by Russ's "Oh what a surprise!"

Russ 04-09-2014 13:43
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Well yeah and the thread topic.

nomadking 04-09-2014 18:12
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ITV News said all were Asian and some needed interpreters.

Hugh 04-09-2014 20:13
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Details from the local press.

http://www.bucksherald.co.uk/news/mo...ourt-1-6279670

Taf 09-09-2014 20:25
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A gang of five men have gone on trial accused of trafficking a 13-year-old girl and taking it in turns to abuse her after she ran away from home.

Mohammed Shapal, 22
Shakeal Rehman, 26
Usman Ali, 21
Bekir Rasheed, 36
Yaseen Amini, 36
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...rns-abuse.html

Osem 10-09-2014 08:42
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Wonder how many more of these cases are yet to come to light and how many have been 'allowed' to happen through the authorities effectively turning a blind eye.

Taf 10-09-2014 13:30
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Another pair charged, but the story has just vanished from the web?

It's back

Harmohan Nangpal, 40
Faisal Iqbal, 31

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...hire-town.html

Ignitionnet 10-09-2014 16:10
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Interestingly all of the men mentioned seem to have a certain ethnicity about their names.

Can't quite place it but the names aren't European in origin.

There seems to be a pattern developing.

Hugh 10-09-2014 16:17
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Taf (Post 35727907)
Another pair charged, but the story has just vanished from the web?

It's back

Harmohan Nangpal, 40
Faisal Iqbal, 31

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...hire-town.html
On the BBC as well...

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-b...herts-29138409

Gary L 10-09-2014 16:57
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Ignitionnet (Post 35727961)
Interestingly all of the men mentioned seem to have a certain ethnicity about their names. Can't quite place it but the names aren't European in origin. There seems to be a pattern developing.
They're all Muslims. it's as if Sharia law was alive and well in the UK. and underage UK girls were unprotected.

truthspeaker 02-10-2014 18:53
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am from Rochdale. nice town

heero_yuy 04-10-2014 17:18
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Originally Posted by truthspeaker (Post 35732535)
am from Rochdale. nice town
Most towns have nice bits, usually in the Western reaches. It's the seedy East end bits where the low life live.

greeninferno 05-10-2014 14:33
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Originally Posted by truthspeaker (Post 35732535)
am from Rochdale. nice town
the fact that cyril smith was MP for what? 20 years would suggest the place is a cesspit.

truthspeaker 08-10-2014 08:54
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if a Christian man does the same thing they BBC News don't blame Christian's religion.
i watch BBC News etc, most of Child grooming gang are white and so called Christian compared to Asian.
most of the crimes done in UK are by white people. am sorry to say.

according to The Guardian News
Year 2011
38% were white, 26% were Asian and 32% were recorded as unknown

Year 2012
Of these, 545 were white, 415 were Asian and 244 were black.

Chris 08-10-2014 10:09
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Errr... "truth" speaker ... As about 85% of the population of this country is white, those figures really don't do your argument any favours. IIRC the Asian population is around 10% of the population, yet is apparently responsible for 26% of the crime? That ain't good.

Osem 08-10-2014 10:11
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Yes there's been nothing in the news at all about the widespread child abuse amongst Catholic priests has there. Even the most rigorous internet search comes up completely blank. It's as if it never happened... :rolleyes:

Mr Khan's numbers don't do his argument many favours either.

truthspeaker 08-10-2014 10:53
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this is from Wikipedia crime in UK
Population aged 10 and over (2009)
88.6% white
5.6% Asian
2.7% Black
1.4% mixed
1.6% Chinese or other

i wonder why BBC News don't blame white people with Religion?
and if Asian man does it. its all over the place front page news paper and use the word Muslim and Islam.

Osem 08-10-2014 11:11
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I see you chose not to comment on white Catholic priests being widely associated with child abuse in the media then. Better just to carry on claiming it doesn't happen and quote some more wiki-facts without any proper link to their source or what they actually refer to.

weenie 08-10-2014 11:19
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I personally do not care what religion, colour or race these lowlifes are all I care about is they get caught and jailed for a long time and taken off the streets.

Osem 08-10-2014 11:21
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Amen to that. Let's also hope that lessons are learned by those who are shown to have been at fault.

Maggy 08-10-2014 12:36
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Quote:
Originally Posted by weenie (Post 35733689)
I personally do not care what religion, colour or race these lowlifes are all I care about is they get caught and jailed for a long time and taken off the streets.
Agreed! Focusing on the ethnicity of perpetrators detracts from the victims and the way the police SHOULD deal with all those who offend in this manner.

I also dislike the way the law separates the crimes by the age of the victim.IMHO anyone targeting under 16s is guilty of the same crime.When I was 16 I wasn't experienced enough sexually to be able to know how to deal with such people and those targeted who were more vulnerable than I certainly wouldn't.

A girl or boy can be emotionally open to abuse at 15 depending on their home circumstances.

Russ 08-10-2014 16:46
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Quote:
Originally Posted by truthspeaker (Post 35733655)
if a Christian man does the same thing they BBC News don't blame Christian's religion.
i watch BBC News etc, most of Child grooming gang are white and so called Christian compared to Asian.
most of the crimes done in UK are by white people. am sorry to say.

according to The Guardian News
Year 2011
38% were white, 26% were Asian and 32% were recorded as unknown

Year 2012
Of these, 545 were white, 415 were Asian and 244 were black.
Nobody is blaming Muslims - these gangs are Asian - religion isn't brought in to it.

Plus these cases are gangs, not individuals.

TheDaddy 08-10-2014 17:02
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Russ (Post 35733786)
Nobody is blaming Muslims - these gangs are Asian - religion isn't brought in to it.

Plus these cases are gangs, not individuals.
Interesting, so he doesn't actually speak the truth after all

truthspeaker 09-10-2014 17:40
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@Russ. so why don't the media use the word Asian instead of Muslim or Islam ?

@Osem you don't need to call me Khan. you can call me truth speaker.

Gary L 09-10-2014 20:07
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Quote:
Originally Posted by truthspeaker (Post 35734157)
@Russ. so why don't the media use the word Asian instead of Muslim or Islam ?
Because not all Asians want to be associated with this trend that these Muslims are doing to non Muslim white girls.

Osem 09-10-2014 21:32
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Quote:
Originally Posted by truthspeaker (Post 35734157)

@Osem you don't need to call me Khan. you can call me truth speaker.
Oh right - are they mutually exclusive then?

Anyway, I'd prefer to call you 'questionanswerer' but you rarely do.

Russ 10-10-2014 06:22
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Quote:
Originally Posted by truthspeaker (Post 35734157)
@Russ. so why don't the media use the word Asian instead of Muslim or Islam ?
In all the links I've posted to the men have been referred to as 'Asian'.

richard s 10-10-2014 10:26
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Still they want to hang them up by their scrotums, regardless of race or religion!

Osem 18-10-2014 20:40
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Quote:

Rotherham Council's director of children's services was paid £40,000 to leave in the wake of the child sex abuse scandal, it has been revealed.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-29674059

Quote:
Joyce Thacker resigned last month after weeks of pressure following the publication of the Jay Report.

It was discovered shortly before she quit that she had been on sick leave.

The council told BBC Radio Sheffield the amount paid to Mrs Thacker was less than the contractual notice entitlement.
IMHO she shouldn't have been entitled to any notice period.

Maggy 28-10-2014 23:18
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-29794729

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Asian - as well as white - girls are being groomed for sex by Asian men in Rotherham, victim support groups say.
Support workers believe that a report on children abused in the town between 1997 and 2013 may have under-estimated the number because it was unlikely to include the experiences of Asian girls.
The Jay report, published in August, put the figure at at least 1,400.
But Yasmin Ishaq, who has supported victims, said: "It's not just the young white girls that they're targeting."
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She told BBC File on 4: "The Pakistani girls are not going to be part and parcel of this report. There's no record of what's happened to them. They're too afraid to have ever gone to the law.
"The men will get away with this because nobody wants to address it and nobody wants to own up to the fact that their daughter has been molested."
Now that makes sense to me..:erm:

Russ 09-11-2014 09:57
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http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news...moment-4596311

Taf 19-11-2014 19:24
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Six men banned from contact with young girls after a council became the first to use civil injunctions to block child sexual exploitation can be named, a High Court judge has said.

Mohammed Anjam, 31
Omar Ahmed, 27
Mohammed Javed, 34
Alam Shah, 37
Sajid Hussain, 40
Naseem Khan, 29

An injunction against a seventh man, who cannot be named for legal reasons, was also granted.

Police had raised concerns about the men's safety.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england...ngham-30114936

Russ 19-11-2014 19:31
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Should we honestly be surprised?

nomadking 19-11-2014 19:48
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Just the tip of an absolutely massive iceberg.
Quote:
A case against four other men, who cannot yet be named, continues.
Detective Chief Superintendent Danny Long, of the West Midlands Police Public Protection Unit, said similar measures may be used to tackle the 75 live cases of child exploitation currently being investigated in Birmingham.

Ignitionnet 19-11-2014 20:01
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Merely cultural enrichment.

Maggy 19-11-2014 21:44
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Why can't they just be prosecuted?This seems an about arse way of doing things..:confused: :mad:

Never mind about grumpy old men.I'm becoming an extremely livid old biddy..

TheDaddy 19-11-2014 21:50
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Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 35742036)
Why can't they just be prosecuted?This seems an about arse way of doing things..:confused: :mad:

Never mind about grumpy old men.I'm becoming an extremely livid old biddy..
Becoming :D

Derek 21-11-2014 11:25
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Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 35742036)
Why can't they just be prosecuted?This seems an about arse way of doing things..:confused: :mad:
Civil injunctions have a far lower burden of proof than criminal proceedings so they can use this to try and stop further crimes or do them if they breach the order.

Osem 21-11-2014 11:47
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Originally Posted by Derek (Post 35742298)
Civil injunctions have a far lower burden of proof than criminal proceedings so they can use this to try and stop further crimes or do them if they breach the order.
Yes and it can be very complicated. I found this interesting:

http://www.findlaw.co.uk/law/dispute...al/500248.html

Pierre 23-11-2014 07:17
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Slightly different, but still an organised rape involving Asians and Taxi's.

Seems that even when you do the sensible thing and get a taxi to take you home, you are still at risk of attack.


http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news...-raped-4672201

papa smurf 23-11-2014 09:26
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its part of multicultural Britain now -its embedded in the culture its not going away :(

nashville 23-11-2014 15:56
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This does not seem like justice to me. They should find a way to prosecute. Red Tape I suppose

Maggy 24-11-2014 11:23
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-30152240

It's really isn't about race.It's about very bad men targeting vulnerable young girls.:(

Taf 24-11-2014 12:09
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Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 35742836)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-30152240

It's really isn't about race.It's about very bad men targeting vulnerable young girls.:(
Very bad men of one particular religion.

Chris 24-11-2014 12:33
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Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 35742836)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-30152240

It's really isn't about race.It's about very bad men targeting vulnerable young girls.:(
I beg to differ. The number of Asian perpetrators is grossly out of proportion to their representation in the population as a whole.

This problem has been allowed to get as bad as it has, because too many people have been walking on eggshells for fear of being branded racist.

From your link:

Quote:
A report has lifted the lid on the sexual exploitation of at least 1,400 children in Rotherham between 1997 and 2013, by gangs of men who were predominantly of Pakistani origin. Although most of the victims were white, some were also Asian.
Racial, cultural, religious. Call it what you like, but sanitising it as "very bad men" will not help anybody.

Pierre 24-11-2014 13:12
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if they were white footballers we'd be all over them.......................................

Russ 24-11-2014 13:17
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 35742836)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-30152240

It's really isn't about race.It's about very bad men targeting vulnerable young girls.:(
I'm very surprised at that observation. The race of the 'very bad men' in these gangs never seems to be white/British.

Osem 24-11-2014 15:26
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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 35742874)
if they were white footballers we'd be all over them.......................................
Yes, odd that...

Maggy 24-11-2014 21:02
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Originally Posted by Russ (Post 35742876)
I'm very surprised at that observation. The race of the 'very bad men' in these gangs never seems to be white/British.
The fact is that they don't pick the girls according to race but according to vulnerability..but carry on thinking it is a race crime.You all seem to have made up your minds about that.:rolleyes:

Chris 24-11-2014 21:07
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Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 35742972)
The fact is that they don't pick the girls according to race but according to vulnerability..but carry on thinking it is a race crime.You all seem to have made up your minds about that.:rolleyes:
I don't think folks are arguing that it's a race crime. They are arguing that it is a crime disproportionately being committed by those of a certain race.

Russ 24-11-2014 21:11
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Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 35742972)
The fact is that they don't pick the girls according to race but according to vulnerability..but carry on thinking it is a race crime.You all seem to have made up your minds about that.:rolleyes:
You'll find that at no point in this thread whatsoever have I commented or hinted at the ethnicity, colour or race of the victims.

Maggy 24-11-2014 21:32
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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 35742976)
I don't think folks are arguing that it's a race crime. They are arguing that it is a crime disproportionately being committed by those of a certain race.
The only real difference is the way in which the victims are targeted.Other rings use the internet and social media.I recall a ring in Portsmouth in the 80s that targeted young vulnerable girls in much the same way as this group..they were white.

My point is that the crime of pedophilia is the same however the victims are targeted.it's always the same crime but just a different approach made to the victims and the race of the group is entirely immaterial..

Russ 24-11-2014 21:52
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Go to Google and type in 'sex gang in court'.

See if you can spot a recurring theme in each case about the perpetrators.

Chris 24-11-2014 22:00
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Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 35742981)
Tthe race of the group is entirely immaterial..
Not true.

The race of the perpetrators is entirely material, if the crime is being disproportionately committed by those of a particular ethnic background. There is a mine of information there that is very useful for crime detection and prevention. Just so long as we're not hamstrung by hand-wringing political correctness of course.

Pierre 24-11-2014 22:04
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 35742981)
The only real difference is the way in which the victims are targeted.Other rings use the internet and social media.I recall a ring in Portsmouth in the 80s that targeted young vulnerable girls in much the same way as this group..they were white.

My point is that the crime of pedophilia is the same however the victims are targeted.it's always the same crime but just a different approach made to the victims and the race of the group is entirely immaterial..
It is this kind of " head in the sand" , "can't see the wood for the trees" , denial and apologistic attitude that has let these Asian sex rings profligate.

greeninferno 24-11-2014 22:57
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Is this not more a case of if there is a "ring" they are more likely to be the same race?

Can it be proven that paedophilia is more prevalent in one race over another?

Pierre 24-11-2014 23:04
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Originally Posted by greeninferno (Post 35743002)

Can it be proven that paedophilia is more prevalent in one race over another?
Race, religion, culture, values, personal evil , A mix of all

It doesn't have to "proven". It's there to be seen

nomadking 24-11-2014 23:11
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Originally Posted by greeninferno (Post 35743002)
Is this not more a case of if there is a "ring" they are more likely to be the same race?

Can it be proven that paedophilia is more prevalent in one race over another?
Only if there is a high enough concentration of potential participants, that they can simply ask the person standing next to them.

When calculating numbers involved, it should be remembered that the gangs pass them around the country and therefore the actual number of sex offenders is MANY times the number actually convicted. Eg if 5 are convicted, it is possible that 100 others were also involved.


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