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djfunkdup 23-05-2012 07:27

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Using Opera and Safari here with ad-block extentions and there are no delays on ads on you tube....videos start right away ................

_wtf_ 23-05-2012 10:11

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FireFox + HTTPS Everywhere + Ghostery = :D

VPN + FireFox + HTTPS Everywhere + Ghostery = :D ;) :erm: :angel:


The result of TPB blocked in the UK

  • 12 Million more vists in the first couple of days
  • 15,000 proxy sites put up specifically for TPB
  • A new IP address, do they have to go back to the courts to get these banned?

The last point is worth keeping an eye on. What if the courts give the BPI a method of adding any IP address or domain name they choose?



Youngsters these days* nothing but a bunch of lazy layabouts and they want all their stuff for free.**



Crazy, crazy and just downright bizarre. This is also interesting, they're trying to sell you something so ...



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"I think it's great. It's like a legend [that's] partly true. I heard that he made, like, 700 copies. And I think that's true. He went into a dub house and had a bunch of dubs made and sent it around. But he was one of many people that were copying it, and it was spreading through a lot of people. It wasn't just George, I don't think."
Matt Stone and Trey Parker*** talking about George Clooney 'pirating' South Park. Surely George Clooney of all people would know that 'piracy' would mean they lose income by his actions. Surely going to a video reproduction studio and having 700 copies made would be a criminal offence which under the current climate would mean either George Clooney would still be in prison or he'd be penniless and on the streets maybe even penniless and in prison.



* If you don't have time to watch all of it have a listen to what he says at around 15:30, it gives an insight into what politicians think when they hear the word internet.

** I hope people realise that's meant to be sarcastic.

*** If you have time read the whole article

carlwaring 23-05-2012 10:31

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Originally Posted by _wtf_ (Post 35431867)
nothing but a bunch of lazy layabouts and they want all their stuff for free.**

** I hope people realise that's meant to be sarcastic.

I don't know why you think that was sarcastic. It was 100% accurate; though it may not be confined to "young people". You only need to look at the fuss surrounding TPB to prove the point.

If people didn't "want all their stuff for free" then TPB wouldn't be so popular; and neither would BT (and certain binary newsgroups for that matter.)

Yes, I know, it's not all "illegal" stuff, but I'm willing to bet the vast majority is :)

_wtf_ 23-05-2012 11:29

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Cinderella - the story was first published by Charles Perrault in Histoires ou contes du temps passé in 1697

Sleeping Beauty - first published by Charles Perrault in Histoires ou contes du temps passé in 1697

Snow White - is a fairy tale known from many countries in Europe, the best known version being the German one collected by the Brothers Grimm in 1812

The Little Mermaid - written by by the Danish poet and author Hans Christian Andersen in 1837

The Princess and the Frog - Grimms Fairy Tales

Pocahontas - Captain John Smith 1706.

Rapunzel/Tangled - The Grimm Brothers' story is an adaptation of the fairy tale Persinette by Charlotte-Rose de Caumont de La Force originally published in 1698.


Then Disney claimed copyright over them and extended copyright so no one else can build on what they have done. Isn't it funny how it's legal for corporations to steal from the public domain yet when they feel it's their work being stolen they need to have laws changed to prevent it happening even if it means walking all over our civil liberties.

Hugh 23-05-2012 12:35

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You appear to be confusing the copyright of the Disney productions of those stories, with general copyright.

Disney do not own the overall rights to any of the examples you cited, only their productions (and ancillary marketing/sales products).

carlwaring 23-05-2012 12:39

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Originally Posted by _wtf_ (Post 35431905)
even if it means walking all over our civil liberties.

Pretty sure your "civil liberties" don't include the right to steal stuff :rolleyes:

Sirius 23-05-2012 13:01

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The more they try to block it the more it will be circumnavigated and that's a FACT. I don't use Torrents and i don't use the TPB, but i will do anything i can to ensure we have a non censored internet.

qasdfdsaq 23-05-2012 13:19

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AAISP agree with you http://aaisp.net.uk/news-censorship.html :)

_wtf_ 23-05-2012 14:15

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My dog just raised his head from his crotch, stopped making a slurping noise and barked out instructions for me to post this.

He also barked that it was funny how someone seems unable to understand when a person is being extradited to a foreign country to face charges under their legal system, even though they have not broken any laws in their home country, they still don't see it as an issue of civil liberties.

Just like every man it seems I've got a clever dog ;)

_wtf_ 23-05-2012 16:34

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AVG now seem to own the copyright on this Rick Astley video. Anyone get the feeling this is getting silly?

qasdfdsaq 23-05-2012 16:36

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LMAO.

Sirius 23-05-2012 16:49

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You can imagine some copyright lawyer running up to you in the street and hitting you with a claim for money because you were singing a song his client owns :LOL:

Hugh 23-05-2012 17:15

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Originally Posted by _wtf_ (Post 35431968)
My dog just raised his head from his crotch, stopped making a slurping noise and barked out instructions for me to post this.

He also barked that it was funny how someone seems unable to understand when a person is being extradited to a foreign country to face charges under their legal system, even though they have not broken any laws in their home country, they still don't see it as an issue of civil liberties.

Just like every man it seems I've got a clever dog ;)

Sure it was your dog? :D

_wtf_ 23-05-2012 17:21

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Originally Posted by Sirius (Post 35432023)
You can imagine some copyright lawyer running up to you in the street and hitting you with a claim for money because you were singing a song his client owns :LOL:

These people want to charge garages, restaurants etc. for having a radio playing in the background. They've actually taken people to court for doing it.

Sirius 23-05-2012 17:30

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Originally Posted by _wtf_ (Post 35432035)
These people want to charge garages, restaurants etc. for having a radio playing in the background. They've actually taken people to court for doing it.

I know them, My wife's work place received a visit from there henchmen and she said it was like watching the bailiffs on TV

Russ 23-05-2012 17:31

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Originally Posted by _wtf_ (Post 35432035)
These people want to charge garages, restaurants etc. for having a radio playing in the background. They've actually taken people to court for doing it.

PRS make me laugh. I get what they're trying to do - ensuring artists get appropriate royalties. But did you know, in short the law says that if you're playing music that another party can hear - for example a shop owner having the radio on that a customer can hear - then that person ought to pay for a licence? So taking that one step further, if you have music on in your car and someone walking past can hear it, technically the PRS guys can take you to court if you do not have a licence for it.

And going on my previous experience with the PRS, it would not surprise me if they tried a test case.

Sirius 23-05-2012 17:33

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In October 2009, the PRS apologised to a 56-year-old shelf-stacker at a village in Clackmannanshire for pursuing her for singing to herself while stacking shelves.[23][24] PRS initially told her that she would be prosecuted and fined thousands of pounds if she continued to sing without a "live performance" licence. However PRS subsequently acknowledged its mistake
This is the sort of attitude they have and give them time and they will eventually try this on in court

Ignitionnet 23-05-2012 17:33

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So, about TPB rather than the whys and wherefores of copyright and enforcement... :)

Sirius 23-05-2012 17:37

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Originally Posted by Ignitionnet (Post 35432043)
So, about TPB rather than the whys and wherefores of copyright and enforcement... :)

As far as TPB goes

TPB have won and the copyright owners have failed spectacularly. They have driven more traffic to the site and they have created a situation where blocking it is now impossible. :rofl::rofl::rofl:

_wtf_ 23-05-2012 18:41

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As just about every household pays for a license that funds the BBC and the BBC pays the PRS for playing the music surely you can play your radio as loud as you like because anyone that hears it most likely pays for a license anyway?

Perhaps the PRS should go about it another way and get a law passed that if you don't live in a household that pays for a TV license then you have to wear ear-buds to stop you listening to music that may be playing in your vicinity.

As to TPB the cat and mouse games are far from over.

Maggy 23-05-2012 19:02

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Russ (Post 35432040)
PRS make me laugh. I get what they're trying to do - ensuring artists get appropriate royalties. But did you know, in short the law says that if you're playing music that another party can hear - for example a shop owner having the radio on that a customer can hear - then that person ought to pay for a licence? So taking that one step further, if you have music on in your car and someone walking past can hear it, technically the PRS guys can take you to court if you do not have a licence for it.

And going on my previous experience with the PRS, it would not surprise me if they tried a test case.

So do they turn up to those residents around a music festival site or open air concerts and demand money with menaces?

_wtf_ 23-05-2012 19:09

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Phew

Sirius 23-05-2012 19:16

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Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 35432072)
So do they turn up to those residents around a music festival site or open air concerts and demand money with menaces?

Well they tried this until they realised they had a PR fiasco on there hands

http://www.techdirt.com/articles/200...34566619.shtml

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 35432072)
So do they turn up to those residents around a music festival site or open air concerts and demand money with menaces?

Well they tried this until they realised they had a PR fiasco on there hands

http://www.techdirt.com/articles/200...34566619.shtml

http://forum.techradar.com/showthread.php?t=23115

qasdfdsaq 23-05-2012 19:25

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Sirius (Post 35432074)
Well they tried this until they realised they had a PR fiasco on there hands

I'd say the blocking TPB idea will turn out to be a similar fiasco.

carlwaring 23-05-2012 20:17

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Sirius (Post 35431936)
The more they try to block it the more it will be circumnavigated and that's a FACT. I don't use Torrents and i don't use the TPB, but i will do anything i can to ensure we have a non censored internet.

I absolutely agree. But that does not include access to illegal content.

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Originally Posted by _wtf_ (Post 35432035)
These people want to charge garages, restaurants etc. for having a radio playing in the background. They've actually taken people to court for doing it.

Yes. Because it counts as 'public performance', for which you need a licence.

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Originally Posted by Russ (Post 35432040)
PRS make me laugh. I get what they're trying to do - ensuring artists get appropriate royalties. But did you know, in short the law says that if you're playing music that another party can hear - for example a shop owner having the radio on that a customer can hear - then that person ought to pay for a licence?

See above comment.

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Originally Posted by _wtf_ (Post 35432060)
As just about every household pays for a license that funds the BBC and the BBC pays the PRS for playing the music surely you can play your radio as loud as you like because anyone that hears it most likely pays for a license anyway?

:rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 35432072)
So do they turn up to those residents around a music festival site or open air concerts and demand money with menaces?

No, because the music festival should be licensed.

Russ 23-05-2012 20:35

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Originally Posted by carlwaring (Post 35432113)
See above comment.

See my comments about how petty they can (and most likely will) be.

AdamD 24-05-2012 14:49

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The PRS sound a lot like the BBC TV licensing team (Or bullies)

Draconian style measures to intimidate and threaten people, should be illegal.

Maggy 24-05-2012 14:52

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Originally Posted by carlwaring (Post 35432113)
No, because the music festival should be licensed.

However the residents in the surrounding area will not have purchased a ticket..BUT they are listening to the music inadvertently..

Russ 24-05-2012 14:58

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The licence for the festival will be a public performance remit and will cover those attending and in the surrounding areas.

Maggy 24-05-2012 14:59

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Originally Posted by Russ (Post 35432361)
The licence for the festival will be a public performance remit and will cover those attending and in the surrounding areas.

Thank you Russ.:)

carlwaring 24-05-2012 17:14

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Originally Posted by AdamD (Post 35432356)
The PRS sound a lot like the BBC TV licensing team (Or bullies)

No, they really don't/aren't :rolleyes:
Quote:

Draconian style measures to intimidate and threaten people, should be illegal.
"Please comply with the law/regulations" is not 'draconian' :(

GrimUpNorth 24-05-2012 19:10

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@CarlW

You don't happen, by any chance, to work for the fincance department of a local authority do you?

Cheers

Grim

cook1984 24-05-2012 19:11

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Originally Posted by carlwaring (Post 35432415)
No, they really don't/aren't :rolleyes:

If anything they are slightly worse. A guy I used to work with ran a Big Band club at the local university and the PRS goons were always coming to concerts and trying to get on stage so they could see if any of the sheet music was photocopied and to make sure they didn't play any copyrighted songs.

Occasionally while tuning up they would demand payment because some random notes sounded a bit like some song, and had to be ejected from the venue. They still hung around outside trying to listen in though.

Sirius 24-05-2012 20:13

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Its easy, If the rights owners act like thugs and thieves which some of them DO then you can only expect the people they target to do the same back.

carlwaring 24-05-2012 20:28

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Originally Posted by GrimUpNorth (Post 35432475)
@CarlW

You don't happen, by any chance, to work for the fincance department of a local authority do you?

Cheers

Grim

No. :confused:

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Originally Posted by cook1984 (Post 35432476)
If anything they are slightly worse. A guy I used to work with ran a Big Band club at the local university and the PRS goons...

Who are paid to do a jog. No real reason to insult them :rolleyes: But at least it shows your bias in the subject.

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.. were always coming to concerts and trying to get on stage so they could see if any of the sheet music was photocopied..
Only your word for this so can't comment.

Quote:

...and to make sure they didn't play any copyrighted songs.
Well, if they'd paid to be able to (and could prove it) they won't have had a problem.

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Occasionally while tuning up they would demand payment because some random notes sounded a bit like some song, and had to be ejected from the venue.
I'm sorry but I just do not believe you.

Russ 24-05-2012 20:33

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Originally Posted by carlwaring (Post 35432497)

I'm sorry but I just do not believe you.

...which just shows your bias.

Sirius 24-05-2012 20:39

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Originally Posted by Russ (Post 35432504)
...which just shows your bias.

I am so glad i don't get to read his drivel all the time unlike you.

You have my sympathy :)

GrimUpNorth 24-05-2012 20:57

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Originally Posted by carlwaring (Post 35432497)
No. :confused:

OK, just wondered, but with any luck you've helped me win the office prize for asking a random person (you) a pre-defined obscure question (do you work in local government finance) in an imaginative way (in a forum).

Cheers

Grim

rogerdraig 24-05-2012 22:30

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cant remember if i posted this but have a laugh if i didnt or you missed it

http://www.forbes.com/sites/timworst...on-in-damages/

carlwaring 24-05-2012 22:39

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Originally Posted by Russ (Post 35432504)
...which just shows your bias.

No, it really doesn't. People can say anything with no proof on the internet and that just sounds preposterously unlikely.

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Originally Posted by Sirius (Post 35432507)
I am so glad i don't get to read his drivel all the time unlike you. You have my sympathy :)

And yet they still find the time to comment on it :confused: :rolleyes: Says more about them than it does about me :)

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Originally Posted by GrimUpNorth (Post 35432512)
OK, just wondered, but with any luck you've helped me win the office prize for asking a random person (you) a pre-defined obscure question (do you work in local government finance) in an imaginative way (in a forum).

Cheers

Grim

Glad I could help. :shrug:

Russ 24-05-2012 22:46

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Originally Posted by carlwaring (Post 35432551)
No, it really doesn't.

Seriously - it does. You just can't see it.

You have as much a bias in this as anyone else. The only difference is yours leans in a different direction - but a bias all the same. The sooner you accept it the sooner you'll be able to move on.

Hugh 24-05-2012 23:10

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We all have biases/prejudices - it's just whether we recognise them, and try to counter them by having reasoned discourse, rather than spouting emotive polemic or diatribe.

carlwaring 25-05-2012 08:32

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Originally Posted by Russ (Post 35432557)
Seriously - it does. You just can't see it.

Sorry. Let me clarify. I'm sure they do do random inspections. I'm just not sure they are conducted with the hyperbole you used to describe it.

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35432568)
We all have biases/prejudices - it's just whether we recognise them, and try to counter them by having reasoned discourse, rather than spouting emotive polemic or diatribe.

And I think that people should similarly avoid hyperbole :)

Russ 25-05-2012 08:39

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Originally Posted by carlwaring (Post 35432599)
Sorry. Let me clarify. I'm sure they do do random inspections. I'm just not sure they are conducted with the hyperbole you used to describe it.

If you could show me where I've discussed random inspections I'll be happy to engage you.

carlwaring 25-05-2012 10:22

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Sorry. Wasn't you. That was cook1984. But the comments sprung from that post :)

Russ 25-05-2012 10:23

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Glad you can now admit your biased view is getting the better of you :tu:

People are permitted alternative opinions; that they are different does NOT make them wrong.

carlwaring 25-05-2012 10:29

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Originally Posted by Russ (Post 35432645)
Glad you can now admit your biased view is getting the better of you :tu:

Not biased at all. Just didn't edit the quoted text down to the bit I was referring to.

(I get "told off" for editing quotes too much but if I don't, this is what happens :))

Quote:

People are permitted alternative opinions; that they are different does NOT make them wrong.
And I never said otherwise.

Russ 25-05-2012 10:35

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Originally Posted by carlwaring (Post 35432654)
Not biased at all. Just didn't edit the quoted text down to the bit I was referring to.

You still can't see it! You accuse of others of having an anti-PRS bias yet you fail to see your own pro-bias.

Not saying there's anything wrong with having a bias. But I see little value in denial.

Stuart 25-05-2012 10:44

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Originally Posted by carlwaring (Post 35432415)
"Please comply with the law/regulations" is not 'draconian' :(

is this not a little draconian?

carlwaring 25-05-2012 11:17

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I'd call that stupid more than anything else :)

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Originally Posted by Russ (Post 35432660)
You still can't see it! You accuse of others of having an anti-PRS bias yet you fail to see your own pro-bias.

And how is what I have said "pro" anything? :confused:

Russ 25-05-2012 11:30

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:banghead:

Mick Fisher 25-05-2012 11:59

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Originally Posted by Sirius (Post 35432507)
I am so glad i don't get to read his drivel all the time unlike you.

You have my sympathy :)

Likewise. :)

Maggy 25-05-2012 12:17

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The topic does seem to have gotten rather lost.Perhaps if we stick to it we might get less stressed and avoid saying things we really shouldn't.



Hugh 25-05-2012 13:55

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Off topic post removed.

AdamD 25-05-2012 16:30

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Mmm, the ignore feature, best invention for a forum, especially where Mr C is concerned.

Yea I've read plenty of horror stories about the TV license team and their bully boy tactics

Mind you, I'm one of those who is opposed to the license fee full stop, heh

But the PRS seem like a more volatile group than even the BBC License team, which is, well, scary.

_wtf_ 25-05-2012 16:42

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This is interesting.

Quote:

“takes existing network content and modifies it in a manner than is unauthorized and illegal. We believe this is a clear violation of copyright law and we intend to stop it.”
I wonder how long before making a cuppa during the adverts will be seen as a copyright violation. :rolleyes:

Hugh 25-05-2012 17:10

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Originally Posted by _wtf_ (Post 35432803)
This is interesting.



I wonder how long before making a cuppa during the adverts will be seen as a copyright violation. :rolleyes:

Nice not-having-any-basis-in-reality straw-man argument there...

You normally make some very good points about civil liberties and inappropriate copyright management - that wasn't one of them.;)

Chris 25-05-2012 17:16

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Getting heartily sick of people taking veiled potshots at each other. The team will be fracking, most severely, the very next off topic post. No further warnings will be issued.

carlwaring 25-05-2012 17:18

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Originally Posted by AdamD (Post 35432799)
Yea I've read plenty of horror stories about the TV license team and their bully boy tactics

No. You've read about a few, isolated cases that were so bad they made "news". Whilst they are bad there is no evidence to suggest that they are the norm.[/quote]

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Mind you, I'm one of those who is opposed to the license fee full stop, heh
You're also against Parks, Libraries, Schools and the NHS then, I assume? We all have to pay for those even if we don't use them; which is the same principle as the LF. (Then again, that's OT for this thread so I'll leave it there.)

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But the PRS seem like a more volatile group than even the BBC License team, which is, well, scary.
Again, one or two "read it on the internet" stories does not make it the norm.

Chrysalis 25-05-2012 18:31

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Originally Posted by AdamD (Post 35432799)
Mmm, the ignore feature, best invention for a forum, especially where Mr C is concerned.

Yea I've read plenty of horror stories about the TV license team and their bully boy tactics

Mind you, I'm one of those who is opposed to the license fee full stop, heh

But the PRS seem like a more volatile group than even the BBC License team, which is, well, scary.

I got an interesting story about the bbc and am now thinking of stopping my licence but of course I would have to d/c my VM stb etc.

carlwaring 25-05-2012 18:45

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Originally Posted by Chrysalis (Post 35432859)
I got an interesting story about the bbc ...

Now I'm curious :)
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...and am now thinking of stopping my licence ...
Because of this "interesting story"? Probably not worth cancelling over I would think; but each to their own.

Milambar 25-05-2012 19:06

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Originally Posted by Chrysalis (Post 35432859)
I got an interesting story about the bbc and am now thinking of stopping my licence but of course I would have to d/c my VM stb etc.

No you wouldn't. As long as there was no TV connected to the STB, you could leave the stb connected to the cable. You only need a licence to watch or record live TV.

Although, disconnecting it would make it easier to claim you weren't watching TV.

Peter_ 25-05-2012 19:11

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Originally Posted by Milambar (Post 35432873)
No you wouldn't. As long as there was no TV connected to the STB, you could leave the stb connected to the cable. You only need a licence to watch or record live TV.

Although, disconnecting it would make it easier to claim you weren't watching TV.

If you continue pay for television services then you would be prosecuted by the TV Licensing Authority because as far as they are concerned you intend to use the box for it true purpose.

To prevent the possibility of prosecution you would have to have your television service disconnected by Virgin Media.

martyh 25-05-2012 20:04

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Any more news on when BT are going to implement a block ,i can't find any updates so maybe they are going to do the sensible thing and ignore it :shrug:

Sirius 26-05-2012 07:18

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Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35432893)
Any more news on when BT are going to implement a block ,i can't find any updates so maybe they are going to do the sensible thing and ignore it :shrug:

I think BT must have a pair and have decided there not going to bother, Its a waste of there money anyway as the block does not work.

General Maximus 26-05-2012 07:28

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good for them, it is nice to see a company that takes pride in their service to customers and stands up for what they believe in. Love the QR code btw :)

jempalmer 26-05-2012 07:30

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Were TPB supposed to be taking their servers down Sirius? I appreciate that the block is a joke but I was under the impression that they were ordered by the court to dismantle the site.

Sirius 26-05-2012 07:33

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Originally Posted by General Maximus (Post 35433009)
good for them, it is nice to see a company that takes pride in their service to customers and stands up for what they believe in. Love the QR code btw :)

Well lets face it, The block does not work and in fact from what i have seen all it has done is

A. Driven more users to the site

B. Highlighted the site to those who may not have known about it

C. Educated people in the alternative file sharing sites

D. Shown people how to use a VPN which makes it harder for them to be found by the rights owners in the first place

EPIC FAIL springs to mind

kwikbreaks 26-05-2012 09:28

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Originally Posted by General Maximus (Post 35433009)
Love the QR code btw :)

Shame there wasn't room for "location" in it :)

carlwaring 26-05-2012 09:57

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Originally Posted by General Maximus (Post 35433009)
good for them, it is nice to see a company that takes pride in their service to customers and stands up for what they believe in. Love the QR code btw :)

Either that or they should get into really big trouble for defying a legally-binding court order.

Sirius 26-05-2012 10:21

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Originally Posted by kwikbreaks (Post 35433037)
Shame there wasn't room for "location" in it :)

I can fix that ;)

kwikbreaks 26-05-2012 11:18

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Much better...

Sirius 26-05-2012 11:20

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Originally Posted by kwikbreaks (Post 35433100)
Much better...

Thanks ;)

kwikbreaks 26-05-2012 11:21

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Originally Posted by carlwaring (Post 35433059)
Either that or they should get into really big trouble for defying a legally-binding court order.

There is no current court order forcing BT to block TPB. They don't risk anything by not blocking the site.

dilli-theclaw 26-05-2012 11:34

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Originally Posted by Sirius (Post 35433076)
I can fix that ;)

That is very clever - you'll have to send me a PM on how to do it :)

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TPB still isn't blocked here (BT) - but I don't ever use it any more. I don't think it should be blocked anyway.

I did give serious thought to ditching the TV License as I use the various on demand services like iPlayer (Not live obviously ;)) and netflix.

But at only £6.06 a month I don't mind paying as I use a lot of other BBC stuff and even if I was paying full price I'd probably stay too.

Sirius 26-05-2012 11:39

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Originally Posted by dilligaf1701 (Post 35433108)
That is very clever - you'll have to send me a PM on how to do it :)


Will phone you m8

dilli-theclaw 26-05-2012 11:44

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Originally Posted by Sirius (Post 35433113)
Will phone you m8

Much Appreciated :)

martyh 26-05-2012 15:32

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Originally Posted by kwikbreaks (Post 35433103)
There is no current court order forcing BT to block TPB. They don't risk anything by not blocking the site.


Yes there is ,they where ordered to block it along with the other major providers.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology...ock-pirate-bay

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In the order, the judge Mr Justice Arnold told Sky, Virgin Media, TalkTalk, O2 and Everything Everywhere to begin blocking access to The Pirate Bay.
Britain's biggest ISP, BT, also received the court order but has requested further time to consider how to block the site.
as yet BT and 02 have not complied

carlwaring 26-05-2012 15:38

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Thanks for posting that and confirming my point, marty :)

kwikbreaks 26-05-2012 15:44

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http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/04...locking_order/

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BT has been granted more time to respond to an order to block The Pirate Bay that was handed down by the UK's High Court in London late on Friday afternoon.
So as I said there is no current court order forcing BT to block TPB.

martyh 26-05-2012 15:53

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Originally Posted by kwikbreaks (Post 35433194)
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/04...locking_order/



So as I said there is no current court order forcing BT to block TPB.

BT are subject to the order the same as everyone else they have asked for more time to comply with the order .If there wasn't a court order with their name on it why would they need extra time to comply ?.My own personal feeling is that BT have managed to convince the judge that they have or are developing a more effective way of blocking such sites and the extra time to implement it ,don't forget that it is not the first time BT have been ordered to block sites

kwikbreaks 26-05-2012 16:00

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I guess it's semantics. I said there was no current court order forcing them to block TPB and there isn't because they were granted time to respond to the order. My main point in the original post was that they are risking nothing by not blocking TPB because right now they don't have to.

Are you by any chance related to carlwaring because you seem to have the same knack of failing to understand simple English.

Milambar 26-05-2012 16:00

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There is a court order. Just because they have been granted more time to comply with it, doesn't mean the order doesn't exist.

kwikbreaks 26-05-2012 16:04

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Re-read my original post.

Yes there is a court order but it doesn't currently force BT to block TPB so they risk nothing by not doing so.

If there was a court order currently in force then they would be in breach of it and in trouble. They aren't so there isn't.

martyh 26-05-2012 16:10

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Originally Posted by kwikbreaks (Post 35433204)
I guess it's semantics. I said there was no current court order forcing them to block TPB and there isn't because they were granted time to respond to the order. My main point in the original post was that they are risking nothing by not blocking TPB because right now they don't have to.

Are you by any chance related to carlwaring because you seem to have the same knack of failing to understand simple English.

It's nothing to do with semantics .There is a court order and BT are included in that order ,it is current and eventually they will have to comply ,it's not difficult to understand

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Quote:

Originally Posted by kwikbreaks (Post 35433206)
Re-read my original post.

Yes there is a court order but it doesn't currently force BT to block TPB so they risk nothing by not doing so.

If there was a court order currently in force then they would be in breach of it and in trouble. They aren't so there isn't.

seriously dude ,read what you saying ,if the order wasn't in place then virgin wouldn't be blocking tpb .The only reason they aren't complying is because the judge gave them permission to take longer to implement the ban .

kwikbreaks 26-05-2012 16:11

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There is no court order which currently forces BT to block TPB. If there were they'd be blocking it. Surely that's not too difficult to understand either?

They may well block it later and I don't dispute that. What I do dispute is that they are risking anything by not blocking the site currently.

_wtf_ 26-05-2012 17:13

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This should make what I posted earlier clearer. Hopefully it is a little simpler for people to understand. I do hope people read it and not just try and post some remarks they perceive as clever ;)

Hugh 26-05-2012 17:25

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That suit is stupid.

However, if the broadcasters don't get any money from advertising, how will they fund the programme-making?

Milambar 26-05-2012 17:33

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I'm confused. How does the DISHNetworks vs Verizon/Comcast and all the others lawsuit have any bearing on how things are in the UK?

The UK does not follow US law, nor does the US judicial system have any jurdistriction over the UK.

Hugh 26-05-2012 17:33

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Except when they extradite someone...

qasdfdsaq 26-05-2012 17:48

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Originally Posted by General Maximus (Post 35433009)
good for them, it is nice to see a company that takes pride in their service to customers and stands up for what they believe in. Love the QR code btw :)

BT has previously fought against a bunch of other similar legislation as well, including the DEA and various related faff. VM were involved too at one point IIRC.

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Originally Posted by jempalmer (Post 35433010)
Were TPB supposed to be taking their servers down Sirius? I appreciate that the block is a joke but I was under the impression that they were ordered by the court to dismantle the site.

TPB already had their servers taken down by the police, they just put them back up again.

GrimUpNorth 26-05-2012 17:59

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There are many other sites with similar content that I'd miss more than TPB, and many sites that are no longer with us that I miss now.

Must admit I don't use TPB, usenet seems to supply me with everything I need.

Cheers

Grim

Sirius 26-05-2012 18:06

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35433236)
That suit is stupid.

However, if the broadcasters don't get any money from advertising, how will they fund the programme-making?

That's there problem not the maker of this device. As for it breaking copyright it just shows how little it takes for the rights owners to see a paycheck and shout SUE.

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35433238)
Except when they extradite someone...

Which they seem to be able to do any time they wish to :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by GrimUpNorth (Post 35433251)
There are many other sites with similar content that I'd miss more than TPB, and many sites that are no longer with us that I miss now.

Must admit I don't use TPB, usenet seems to supply me with everything I need.

Cheers

Grim

And you are far safer ;)

_wtf_ 26-05-2012 20:48

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Originally Posted by Milambar (Post 35433237)
I'm confused. How does the DISHNetworks vs Verizon/Comcast and all the others lawsuit have any bearing on how things are in the UK?

Because once they get their precedent in one country it ripples through. Do you really not think that if this gets upheld in the US it won't become 'law' in other countries? But the real point is that these people see just about everything as breaking copyright law (hence my joke about making a cuppa during adverts)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Milambar (Post 35433237)
The UK does not follow US law, nor does the US judicial system have any jurdistriction over the UK.

Tell that to Richard O'Dwyer.


This is another good example of copyright law stifling innovation.

As to how content creators get paid for the TV they produce that has always been a problem with new technology and it's up to them to figure it out not get laws changed to protect the business model they alredy have.

Perhaps they should start by looking at wages. Did Charlie Sheen really need to be paid $1,000,000 per episode of Two and a Half Men (TAAHM)? At it's peak, a 30 second advert during an episode of TAAHM would cost advertisers $650,000. So, 8 minutes of adverts during each episode we are talking around $10,000.000. And before I get the obligatory that's the exception let's not forget Hugh Laurie gets $700,000 per episode of House. So Hugh Laurie earned $123,000,000 ( $123 million ) dollars for 8 years work. The sad truth is, it's more than a real person who theoretically actually had the skills of Dr. Gregory House would earn in his/her lifetime and probably a few other lifetimes.

Maggy 26-05-2012 20:54

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Originally Posted by _wtf_ (Post 35433232)
This should make what I posted earlier clearer. Hopefully it is a little simpler for people to understand. I do hope people read it and not just try and post some remarks they perceive as clever ;)

Already being discussed here

_wtf_ 26-05-2012 21:02

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Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 35433327)
Already being discussed here

My original post (#657) was posted at 16:42 yesterday and that post at 20:32. Perhaps you should have gone all bold on that post and pointed them to my ORIGINAL post about it ;)

Paul 26-05-2012 21:22

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Ive amended the title of this now.

Just so anyone is clear, the rule hasnt changed, but after 700 posts, Im sure everyone has got the message by now, no need for a ridiculously long title.

Chrysalis 26-05-2012 21:27

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35433236)
That suit is stupid.

However, if the broadcasters don't get any money from advertising, how will they fund the programme-making?

They dont unless they get a tv tax like the bbc or subs like sky.

With the advent of things like IPTV and easy recording via DVR then I think tv advertising has only a downward trend although it will always stay but just be less valuable because the rewards will dwindle.

Maggy 26-05-2012 22:13

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Quote:

Originally Posted by _wtf_ (Post 35433331)
My original post (#657) was posted at 16:42 yesterday and that post at 20:32. Perhaps you should have gone all bold on that post and pointed them to my ORIGINAL post about it ;)

Your post was off topic..so how about we return to the topic The Pirate Bay is blocked?

_wtf_ 30-05-2012 10:08

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This lot are taking this lot to court for copyright infringement. What did they do you ask, they linked to an article about them. As linking is fundamental to the world wide web and would drive traffic to the site being linked to I would say if this became common place the web would simply cease to be.

Meanwhile in other news TPB has simply starting using one of their other IP addresses, apparently they have hundreds. It's pretty obvious that the people who pass these laws not only have no idea how the web works but have also never played whack-a-mole.


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