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Dave42 19-02-2012 15:13

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Originally Posted by jb66 (Post 35384450)
vip30 is a rip off, vip50 is much better value

exactly and you get sky premium HD included with vip 50 too

Fspiders 20-02-2012 14:13

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I'm on vip50 and only pay £3 more than you're paying for vip30.

My bill is due to go up by £4.60 in April and after phoning VM up they have very nicely agreed to give me a rolling credit of £4.60 a month for 12 months. Seems it sometimes pays to be a long standing customer who gives em a hefty wad every month.

So I'm still a happy chappy.

Regards.

joglynne 20-02-2012 17:31

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V+ TV XL, L BB, M Phone. £4 increase.

HDFootyMan 20-02-2012 18:55

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How is my bill going up by £4?

I thought XL TV was going up by £2, and L broadband by £1. So, what's the other pound for? (I'm on M phone).

Ray.uk 20-02-2012 19:25

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Fspiders
Is that with Tivo,and the extra £3 is on top of which figure the £99.45 or the 103.95 ?

HDFootyMan 20-02-2012 19:26

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Originally Posted by HDFootyMan (Post 35385198)
How is my bill going up by £4?

I thought XL TV was going up by £2, and L broadband by £1. So, what's the other pound for? (I'm on M phone).

Just rang up VM, they didn't know either. :erm:

They promise me I'll be paying £3 extra. I intend to keep them to that.

thunderlips 20-02-2012 20:39

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got my price rise letter today !

Fspiders 20-02-2012 21:05

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This is my bill

http://img812.imageshack.us/img812/9720/31503750.png

If you knock off the £4 for ACR and CD Then I'm on £102... Don't have (or want!) Tivo

And my price is staying as it is as VM have given me a rolling monthly credit of £4.60 to cover the increase for 12 months.

Regards.

James79 20-02-2012 21:27

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That anonymous call rejection sounds like a handy thing!! Sick of getting cold calls from Sky and Thomas Sanderson!!

I'm on a new 12mth contract with VM and I've only had my windows replaced and blinds put up!!

MrGiles2 21-02-2012 23:29

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After six years with Virginmedia I left just before xmas cos my bills were getting ridiculous for what I was receiving. I went back to Sky, get twice as many channels, HD, Phone, and broadband and pay £11 a month less. Virgin are beginning to price themselves out. I agree with many comments that incomes are stagnating, yet these companies keep pushing their prices up. They are going to lose more customers soon.

Mr K 21-02-2012 23:40

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Tivo and VHD, XL Package. L BB, M Phone. £3.50 (8%) increase.

VM have got too greedy it will backfire on them.

There will be £5 per TiVo box charge coming to everybody aswell within the next 12 months . No guarantee from VM that it won't.

Hugh 22-02-2012 00:21

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No guarantee it will...

AndyCambs 22-02-2012 07:25

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Originally Posted by James79 (Post 35385273)
That anonymous call rejection sounds like a handy thing!! Sick of getting cold calls from Sky and Thomas Sanderson!!

I'm on a new 12mth contract with VM and I've only had my windows replaced and blinds put up!!

Anonymous call reject is great - and for those on some legacy (pre-Virgin) networks is free if you can remember the old codes!

denphone 22-02-2012 08:05

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35386009)
Tivo and VHD, XL Package. L BB, M Phone. £3.50 (8%) increase.

VM have got too greedy it will backfire on them.

There will be £5 per TiVo box charge coming to everybody aswell within the next 12 months . No guarantee from VM that it won't.

You sure have got a bee in your bonnet about something you suppose to be happening Mr K as remember most things in life are ifs, buts and maybes and so far we have been told that this will not affect existing customers and thats good enough for me.

stereohaven 22-02-2012 09:50

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Originally Posted by MrGiles2 (Post 35386004)
...Virgin are beginning to price themselves out...

Couldn't agree more.

I only joined in October but will be giving notice on the 1st April as the Sky offering is better value IMHO, plus, my actual experience of Sky services is they are very reliable where as the opposite is true for VM.

Mr K 22-02-2012 10:02

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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35386054)
You sure have got a bee in your bonnet about something you suppose to be happening Mr K as remember most things in life are ifs, buts and maybes and so far we have been told that this will not affect existing customers and thats good enough for me.

I just don't like VM (or anybody else) being dishonest about their intentions and deliberately misleading customers.

Neil Berkett accidentally told the truth about the TiVo increase FOR ALL earlier this month. In his his carefully prepared, not 'off the cuff' statement, to investors he said 'Existing customer would be 'rolled out' onto new £5 TiVo charge when their contracts come to an end'. Strangely I don't think he thought existing customers would pick up on this. The hurried retraction (not from NB, but on the support forum) contradicting him saying it wouldn't happen to existing customers contained the 'reserve the right' proviso. i.e. no guarantee. Personally I believe a statement to investors from the head guy more than a posting on the support forum.

It's going to happen at some point, just a matter of when. If Vm are increasing prices of course it's up to them and people can make a decision, however they need to be open and honest. Customers can then make an informed choice without feeling ripped off or tied into another 12 month contract. VM might retain more customers by not taking them for fools.

richard1960 22-02-2012 10:02

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Originally Posted by stereohaven (Post 35386070)
Couldn't agree more.

I only joined in October but will be giving notice on the 1st April as the Sky offering is better value IMHO, plus, my actual experience of Sky services is they are very reliable where as the opposite is true for VM.

I will say this for VM their price is going up in april Sky usually have their rise about september time so it could be out of the frying pan into the fire.

In my area however sky can only offer 1mb broadband and no on demand due to pathetically low broadband speed so for me virgin offer a much better serivce, virgin is better value IMO especially since they let me keep my V+ for free multiroom.:)

VM in all my years with them and before that NTL and before that Anglia Cable, have always been reliable.

denphone 22-02-2012 10:06

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Originally Posted by richard1960 (Post 35386077)
I will say this for VM their price is going up in april Sky usually have their rise about september time so it could be out of the frying pan into the fire.

In my area however sky can only offer 1mb broadband and no on demand due to pathetically low broadband speed so for me virgin offer a much better serivce, virgin is better value IMO especially since they let me keep my V+ for free multiroom.:)

VM in all my years with them and before that NTL and before that Anglia Cable, have always been reliable.

l will second that as my experiences with Virgin on the whole have been excellent.

Itshim 22-02-2012 10:25

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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35386081)
l will second that as my experiences with Virgin on the whole have been excellent.

Ill second that - hope you were sitting down when you saw this denphone!;)

denphone 22-02-2012 10:31

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Originally Posted by Itshim (Post 35386087)
Ill second that - hope you were sitting down when you saw this denphone!;)

Yes l had a nice cup of coffee in my hand while sitting down but alas no biscuits as l have cut them out for the time being.:)

Itshim 22-02-2012 10:32

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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35386091)
Yes l had a nice cup of coffee in my hand while sitting down but alas no biscuits as l have cut them out for the time being.:)

We are so alike cup of coffee no biccys the boss she say no !!

richard1960 22-02-2012 10:37

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Originally Posted by Itshim (Post 35386093)
We are so alike cup of coffee no biccys the boss she say no !!

:D:D Luckily i am my own boss.:D

andy_m 22-02-2012 10:41

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Thirded (fourthed?). I had no end of trouble with unreliable Sky equipment, but have had just one call out with Virgin. In addition I can't get much more than 2 or 3mb broadband from BT or one of it's resellers, and there are as yet no plans for infinity. Coupled with the fact that I actually prefer the TV offering from Virgin there would need to be a substantial difference in price for me to even consider going back.

stereohaven 22-02-2012 10:59

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Of course we all have different experiences of each provider and that colours our judgement.

We had no issues with Sky in 4 years and have had numerous problems with VM in 5 months, so you can see why I feel the way I do.

Plus, we are in a Sky unbundled area so get good ADSL speeds and Infinity is up and running so we can probably take Sky Fibre when we move back.

I wanted to like VM, I really did. Fast Broadband and the TiVo should be a winner at the right price, unfortunately for us one thing or another has always had a fault at least once a week.

VM's biggest threat isn't Sky it's the stability of it's own network! They could offer me the whole package for £20 a month and I wouldn't stay because there is always something wrong.

Sure Sky might put prices up again in September, but then again, they might not and our experience is that their products work consistently for us and that is the most important thing.

You can have the fastest broadband and snazziest PVR in the world, but if it doesn't work consistently to the customer's satisfaction then it ain't worth jack.

denphone 22-02-2012 11:34

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Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35386123)
Couldn't agree more I had issues with HD On Demand not being available at the times we wanted to watch it , the channel range was poor and you wait an eternity for new channels to arrive if they ever do , BB that was unusable at peak times , for me all in all Sky beats VM by a country mile and the STB is the most stable I've ever had and great speed wise.

Mmmmmm a country mile the other ways methinks with regards to faster broadband. superior STB and VOD services and thats just for starters.:rolleyes:

richard1960 22-02-2012 11:34

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Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35386123)
Couldn't agree more I had issues with HD On Demand available at the times we wanted to watch it , the channel range was poor and you wait an eternity for new channels to arrive if they ever do , BB that was unusable at peak times , for me all in all Sky beats VM by a country mile and the STB is the most stable I've ever had and great speed wise.

It might do if you ive in an area that is capable of more them 1mb through a phone line muppetman,also i do get free multiroom whereas freinds who do have sky get charged for this.

1mb BB would not be enough even to stream you tube let alone sky VOD where i live.

Yes Sky do have a greater channel range, but even friends who do have sky will look at the EPG when i am around and they like me with VM will say all these channels and nothing to watch tonight.

In my area Sky certainly do not beat VM by a country mile.:(

kop32 22-02-2012 11:48

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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35386091)
Yes l had a nice cup of coffee in my hand while sitting down but alas no biscuits as l have cut them out for the time being.:)

I'm giving up chocolate and predictive text for Lindt......:D:D

denphone 22-02-2012 11:49

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Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35386129)
Richard try and read a post properly , I said for me don't forget I have used both services unlike some on here , I'm sure the person im referring to knows who I'm on about.

Well my experience of Sky comes from being down my parents place and their broadband is of a generally poor quality with a very intermittent and poor signal happening most of the time and really can you say overall that Skys TV service is that much better then Virgins as Virgin have by far the superior VOD service so overall it is just as good if not better and then the there is a superior STB to boot as well thus making Virgins TV service overall the better package in my mind.

richard1960 22-02-2012 11:49

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Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35386129)
Richard try and read a post properly , I said for me don't forget I have used both services unlike some on here , I'm sure the person im referring to knows who I'm on about.

I did read the post muppetman which is why i put my piece in about the service sky provide not being any good in my area dus to 1 MB BB speed mate.

I did see you said skys service is a country mile ahead of VMs as a general comment and was really only reacting to that as in my area its clearly not.:)

denphone 22-02-2012 11:50

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Originally Posted by kop32 (Post 35386132)
I'm giving up chocolate and predictive text for Lindt......:D:D

You naughty boy.:naughty::naughty:

richard1960 22-02-2012 11:56

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Just had my letter through the box £3.50 increase for me.

Guess thats £2 for the TVXL and £1.50 for the BB.

stereohaven 22-02-2012 12:16

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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35386133)
Well my experience of Sky comes from being down my parents place...

Your post allows me to illustrate my earlier point perfectly...

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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35386133)
...their broadband is of a generally poor quality with a very intermittent and poor signal happening most of the time...

My Sky Broadband service was excellent and rock steady during my time with them. In fact, despite only hitting 8MB (which it stayed at no matter what), I could enjoy far better streaming and gaming during peak times than I can on my VM connection which is over 3 times faster.

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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35386133)
...and really can you say overall that Skys TV service is that much better then Virgins as Virgin have by far the superior VOD service so overall it is just as good if not better...

Yes I can.

Sky Anytime works. During my time with VM I have had issues with iPlayer and 4oD. I haven't used the other two.

With iPlayer and ITV Player being added to Sky Anytime (with the others being added later no doubt), one of the few USP's VM had is going to be quickly eroded.

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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35386133)
...and then the there is a superior STB to boot as well...

I like TiVo, but then I am a gadget freak. My Wife, who is probably far more representative of "normal" customers on either platform hates it.

To her it's just an over complicated TV box that is confusing to use and has far too many features that she will never need or understand the power of. Why? Because she just wants to watch some telly. That's it.

In terms of basic customer experience (not for those of us gadget freaks...), the Sky+ box and it's GUI is genius. Simple and does exactly what it says on the tin. That is why to me it is the better STB.

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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35386133)
...thus making Virgins TV service overall the better package in my mind.

And Sky's the best in mine.

I'm not picking on you specifically by the way, just trying to demonstrate that these Sky v. VM discussions are going to do nothing but go round in circles because we will all stick up for the platform we prefer or have the best experience of.

:)

lewisnadasurf 22-02-2012 13:13

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£5.25

VIP 50.

Shocking.

I will be leaving in June. Only had VIP since June as well.... Up over 5%, i'd like to add i haven't had a 5% pay rise in that time. :mad::td:

blackthorn 22-02-2012 13:23

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Originally Posted by lewisnadasurf (Post 35386159)
£5.25

VIP 50.

Shocking.

I will be leaving in June. Only had VIP since June as well.... Up over 5%, i'd like to add i haven't had a 5% pay rise in that time. :mad::td:

I`m on vip 50 as well but my email says £4.25. Have you got something extra on yours.

alwaysabear 22-02-2012 13:23

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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35386133)
Well my experience of Sky comes from being down my parents place and their broadband is of a generally poor quality with a very intermittent and poor signal happening most of the time and really can you say overall that Skys TV service is that much better then Virgins as Virgin have by far the superior VOD service so overall it is just as good if not better and then the there is a superior STB to boot as well thus making Virgins TV service overall the better package in my mind.

I have had VM and Sky and the only reason I am still with VM is BB. My BB is stable and a constant 18mb. As far as TV is concerned Sky wipe the floor with VM , my mother has Sky TV so I have up to date knowledge , more choice and more HD and you don't have to wait an eternity for new channels to appear. Sky are catching up fast on what VM does have an advantage over them(OD) and when sky have fibre BB watch out.

As for STB well that is horses for courses, TiVo appeals to the tech savy people which lets face it are in the minority. The average person wants the box to change channels record the odd program or series and have access to OD.

stereohaven 22-02-2012 13:26

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Originally Posted by alwaysabear (Post 35386164)
...As far as TV is concerned Sky wipe the floor with VM , more choice and more HD and you don't have to wait an eternity for new channels to appear. Sky are catching up fast on what VM does have an advantage over them(OD) and when sky have fibre BB watch out.

As for STB well that is horses for courses, TiVo appeals to the tech savy people which lets face it are in the minority. The average person wants the box to change channels record the odd program or series and have access to OD.

Couldn't agree more and congratulations on 1000 posts. :clap:

alwaysabear 22-02-2012 13:30

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Originally Posted by stereohaven (Post 35386167)
Couldn't agree more and congratulations on 1000 posts. :clap:

Thanks M8 only just realised that.:D

lewisnadasurf 22-02-2012 13:55

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Originally Posted by blackthorn (Post 35386163)
I`m on vip 50 as well but my email says £4.25. Have you got something extra on yours.

1 V+ box
1 HD box
50meg
anytime calls

Thats all?

richard1960 22-02-2012 13:55

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A couple of points to remember is Skys TV service is their core product so probably will always be better then VMs linear channel offering sky also provide broadband and telephone but are only re-selling BT products.

VM re-sell tv channels but that is not the main product the broadband is hence VM able to offer high speeds,the TV service is secondary to that.

Having said that i find VM do carry all the channels i require.

But the two main pay TV channel providers are both focussed on differing products hence the disparity when it comes to certain features.

Dave42 22-02-2012 14:02

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just price compare with sky would be £107.25 for all i got now would lose tivo 100MB BB only paying £111 for vip 100 going up to £116 after price rise so would never be worth it i would never ever go to sky anyway just did it for a price compare got the best box on market with VM and best BB in country too so its a no brainer even if i would consider sky which i never ever go too

stereohaven 22-02-2012 14:05

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Originally Posted by richard1960 (Post 35386189)
...sky also provide broadband and telephone but are only re-selling BT products...

That's not true though is it? :nono:

Sure Sky use some of the BT network for part of the delivery, or all of the delivery if you are a Connect customer, but that is true of nearly all ISP's including VM's "national" customers.

However in unbundled areas it is Sky kit in the exchanges and for the backhaul. It is nothing like "re-selling BT products".

richard1960 22-02-2012 14:10

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Originally Posted by stereohaven (Post 35386198)
That's not true though is it? :nono:

Sure Sky use some of the BT network for part of the delivery, or all of the delivery if you are a Connect customer, but that is true of nearly all ISP's including VM's "national" customers.

However in unbundled areas it is Sky kit in the exchanges and for the backhaul. It is nothing like "re-selling BT products".

In unbundled areas then sky do not use any part of the BT network? then why are they waiting for BT to roll out infinity before offering up to 40 mb speeds.

Sorry if that sounds un- technical its because i am.

All i said in my posting was both the main pay TV channel providers were concentrating on different areas which they are unless you know different.

BenMcr 22-02-2012 14:15

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Originally Posted by richard1960 (Post 35386206)
In unbundled areas then sky do not use any part of the BT network? then why are they waiting for BT to roll out infinity before offering up to 40 mb speeds.

Sorry if that sounds un- technical its because i am.

No-one said Sky don't use any part of the BT network, but they don't use all of it

Sky use the wires for their main service, but that's about it. The kit at each end of the wire is theirs

Same for when they launch the fibre service, they will use the fibre and wire but the kit will be theirs

richard1960 22-02-2012 14:17

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Originally Posted by BenMcr (Post 35386214)
No-one said Sky don't use any part of the BT network, but they don't use all of it

Sky use the wires for their main service, but that's about it. The kit at each end of the wire is theirs

Same for when they launch the fibre service, they will use the fibre and wire but the kit will be theirs

Thats probably right but my key point has now been lost however which was sky and virgin are focussing on different products as their flagship ones.:(

But as i said that point has gone.:(

stereohaven 22-02-2012 14:19

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Originally Posted by richard1960 (Post 35386206)
In unbundled areas then sky do not use any part pf the BT network? then why are they waiting for BT to roll out infinity before offering up to 40 mb speeds.

As I said above, they do use part of BT's network but not all of it. My point is they don't "just re-sell BT products", they pay a fee for the bit of network they use and sell their own products.

For Fibre they will be doing exactly the same thing, using BT infrastructure for part of the journey, as will many ISP's. However, again the product they offer will be totally different in terms of price and possibly performance.

For example, BT Infinity may move their customers onto 80MB from 40MB, but there is no guarantee Sky will do the same because it is a different product.

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Originally Posted by richard1960 (Post 35386206)
Sorry if that sounds un- technical its because i am.

No need to apologise. :)

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Originally Posted by richard1960 (Post 35386206)
All i said in my posting was both the main pay TV channel providers were concentrating on different areas which they are unless you know different.

I know nothing more than you. All I see is Sky quietly getting their ducks lined up so that they can knock out VM's USP's one by one. Eventually all they will have left is headline speed and by using BT infrastructure Sky will be able to deliver decent speeds, potentially cheaper and to a much wider geographic area than VM.

This is partly why I think price increases right now are business suicide for VM.

BenMcr 22-02-2012 14:22

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Originally Posted by richard1960 (Post 35386218)
Thats probably right but my key point has now been lost however which was sky and virgin are focussing on different products as their flagship ones.:(

To be honest at present I'd say both companies are very intrested in improving the number of products customer's have with them

So for Sky it's getting their TV customers to take phone and broadband with them

For Virgin it's keeping as many people as possible on all 3 services, and getting them to upgrade as well as getting more people to take mobile phones with them

---------- Post added at 13:22 ---------- Previous post was at 13:21 ----------

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Originally Posted by stereohaven (Post 35386219)
This is partly why I think price increases right now are business suicide for VM.

I would expect Sky to increase their prices this year too

richard1960 22-02-2012 14:22

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Yes i think your right unless VM do something Sky will indeed given time erode VMs USPs.

Thanks for the answer Ben yes i think you sum it up well.:)

stereohaven 22-02-2012 14:31

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Originally Posted by BenMcr (Post 35386224)
I would expect Sky to increase their prices this year too

I would expect them too as well, but it wouldn't surprise me if they didn't because if they continue to grow their income per customer as they have by selling more bundles (especially with Fibre launching this year), they don't actually need to.

They could have a massive PR opportunity ahead and I wouldn't put it past them to make the most of it.

passingbat 22-02-2012 15:25

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When Sky roll out fibre, I think VM need to worry because I think many people stay with VM for the fast reliable BB, even though the better TV selection on Sky is tempting. When Sky roll out fibre, that won't be the case.

For me, Sky would have to have a box like Tivo to tempt me; three tuners and whishlists being something I would hate to live without now.

There is also the very good reliability and great service I get from VM that I would prefer not to take a chance on with Sky; I've never used Sky so can't compare, but I know I'm happy with VM in that regard.

But these things won't be enough for some people to stay with VM, so when Sky get fibre, VM need to get definitive USPs. This is why I find it strange that VM aren't getting a move on with multiroom and more Tivo apps, because Sky will soon be a very credible alternative for many VM users IMHO.

Itshim 22-02-2012 15:32

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Look to wards the SKY every year at contract renewal time.
"Infinity" is in my street ( if that the right way to put it) H D is not an issue ( can`t tell the difference 32" TV) Would look for cheapest telephone line rental I could find, cost per minute not an issue. Virgin upping costs SKY freezing them. It may well be a no brainer .
How ever last year Virgin came out cheaper so who knows.

muppetman11 22-02-2012 15:48

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Originally Posted by passingbat (Post 35386283)
When Sky roll out fibre, I think VM need to worry because I think many people stay with VM for the fast reliable BB, even though the better TV selection on Sky is tempting. When Sky roll out fibre, that won't be the case.

For me, Sky would have to have a box like Tivo to tempt me; three tuners and whishlists being something I would hate to live without now.

There is also the very good reliability and great service I get from VM that I would prefer not to take a chance on with Sky; I've never used Sky so can't compare, but I know I'm happy with VM in that regard.

But these things won't be enough for some people to stay with VM, so when Sky get fibre, VM need to get definitive USPs. This is why I find it strange that VM aren't getting a move on with multiroom and more Tivo apps, because Sky will soon be a very credible alternative for many VM users IMHO.

Couldn't agree more , for you TIVO is an essential part of your package however I suspect a lot choose VM for BB speed , with a Sky fibre product ever nearer now is the time VM need to vastly up their game or risk losing customers , Sky have many other products/channels in the pipeline this year.

stereohaven 22-02-2012 16:00

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Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35386304)
...Sky have many other products/channels in the pipeline this year.

Sky have a refreshing take on the phrase "Coming Soon", i.e. things do!

VM have a different definition by all accounts... :D

Talking of new products, I think the roaming Wi-Fi powered by The Cloud (which is free to Broadband Unlimited customers) will prove to be a brilliant USP in the years ahead as we consume more and more data on the move.

denphone 22-02-2012 16:14

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Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35386304)
Sky have many other products/channels in the pipeline this year.

And so do Virgin have many things in the pipeline this year.:)

stereohaven 22-02-2012 16:19

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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35386331)
And so do Virgin have many things in the pipeline this year.:)

Virgin have too many things in their pipeline, that's the problem...

:LOL:

alwaysabear 22-02-2012 16:25

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Originally Posted by stereohaven (Post 35386338)
Virgin have too many things in their pipeline, that's the problem...

:LOL:

They need drain blocker to get the pipeline moving because its been bunged up so long now!:D:D:D:D

denphone 22-02-2012 16:30

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Originally Posted by alwaysabear (Post 35386346)
They need drain blocker to get the pipeline moving because its been bunged up so long now!:D:D:D:D

Well at least the ducts are fiber optic rather then copper.:D:D

alwaysabear 22-02-2012 16:34

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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35386348)
Well at least the ducts are fiber optic rather then copper.:D:D

That copper will be turning to fibre in the near future soon den. Vm have got to up their game and soon.:)

Stephen 22-02-2012 16:35

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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35386348)
Well at least the ducts are fiber optic rather then copper.:D:D

The ducts are plastic :D

Its what is in them thats copper or fibre :p:

blackthorn 22-02-2012 16:38

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Originally Posted by lewisnadasurf (Post 35386187)
1 V+ box
1 HD box
50meg
anytime calls

Thats all?

Ah, thats where its different I`ve got

Tivo 1Tb
V+
50meg and all the usual stuff that goes with Vip 50

denphone 22-02-2012 16:42

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Originally Posted by alwaysabear (Post 35386350)
That copper will be turning to fibre in the near future soon den. Vm have got to up their game and soon.:)

And l have no doubt they will and l think you only have to look at the Tivo sales figures and the first profit they have ever had to see that they are very clearly on the right lines and this year will just be a continuation of that and its only the doomsayers or the doubting thomases who will will believe differently.

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Originally Posted by Stephen (Post 35386351)
The ducts are plastic :D

Its what is in them thats copper or fibre :p:

Thank you kindly for putting me right yet again.:)

Itshim 22-02-2012 17:05

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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35386358)
And l have no doubt they will and l think you only have to look at the Tivo sales figures and the first profit they have ever had to see that they are very clearly on the right lines and this year will just be a continuation of that and its only the doomsayers or the doubting thomases who will will believe differently.

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That they are on the right lines is not in doubt.
I feel there problems are that they announce things way to soon. Hence "coming soon" can be years away. Think of
1) Red button
Really because of the rush to launch .Tivo they have in some ways scored an own goal just look at the complaints.They do not reflect well on the company. and the latest fix- I would have kept quite about that one. Again gets a lot of peoples backs up over nothing - in real terms.

2) higher speeds - stupidly offered as free ( hey we will put up the charges any way) this announcement should have been reversed- price rise first - lets be honest we all knew it was coming. Then increased speeds.( mine seems to be an year away - that`s if the time table is followed no faith on that score either, but then I don`t care happy with what I have )

3) What channels are coming - keep quite until you have them - stop saying we are in talks - that becomes Virgin are getting,x y or z in no time at all. :)

tridens 22-02-2012 18:44

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I agree with MR K
Virgin Media have got too greedy it will backfire on them.

my bill has gone up by over 8%

I do like vm BB L fast reliable but had to cancel £26 pm is to expensive in my opinion being disconnected 2nd March had to save money in these hard times at work we had to except 10% cut in wages but the bills still have to be paid if tivo goes up to £5 pm that will go as well

devilincarnate 22-02-2012 18:49

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My bill has gone up but all I can say is WTF as if I was really bothered about it I would vote with my feet. But who care as it is only money and you can not take it with you?

Mr K 22-02-2012 20:22

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Originally Posted by devilincarnate (Post 35386427)
My bill has gone up but all I can say is WTF as if I was really bothered about it I would vote with my feet. But who care as it is only money and you can not take it with you?

yes of course you're right. Why doesn't VM take my house and car aswell they're only material possessions :rolleyes:

Truth is nobody else, including utility companies/council tax/sky, is daring to put up their prices at the moment. VM have miscalculated.

devilincarnate 22-02-2012 20:27

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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35386487)

Truth is nobody else, including utility companies/council tax/sky, is daring to up put their prices at the moment. VM have miscalculated.

You will not complain if they do not when the utility companies do?

denphone 22-02-2012 20:33

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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35386487)
yes of course you're right. Why doesn't VM take my house and car aswell they're only material possessions :rolleyes:

Truth is nobody else, including utility companies/council tax/sky, is daring to put up their prices at the moment. VM have miscalculated.

Have you got any proof of why you think they have miscalculated as it seems strange to me as you just seem to have it in for Virgin at the moment and strange that you think utility companies and council tax have not gone up because they have in the last 6 months and also don't think that Sky won't put their prices up later in the year because they damn well will.:)

Arthurgray50@blu 22-02-2012 20:36

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We have been advised by email to say that our services is going up by £3.50 per month and our online system is going up by £1.00.

VM cannot justify this increase, Where are any new channels - there isn't any, the tv service is poor, just had an email back from Niel Burkett and he tells me that there is still a charge of £49.99 for Tivo.

I seriously believe that they have shot them self in the foot, l do have a full package on Sky, and l think that VM will be gone shortly.

Without new channels, the Tv service is poor, if people say that you get HD channels free, well lets put it this way Sky offer 50 channels on HD for a fee and they keep increasing them no problem.

Mr K 22-02-2012 20:36

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Originally Posted by devilincarnate (Post 35386495)
You will not complain if they do not when the utility companies do?

At least Utility companies lower bill occasionally, have VM ever done that ?

There will be 2 increases for current TiVo users within the next 12 months, this one and the full £5 TiVo charge per box when their contract comes to an end (source: Neil Berkett's statement to Investors - and not guaranteed it's not true or withdrawn from anybody at VM).

denphone 22-02-2012 20:41

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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35386508)
At least Utility companies lower bill occasionally, have VM ever done that ?

There will be 2 increases for current TiVo users within the next 12 months, this one and the full £5 TiVo charge per box when their contract comes to an end (source: Neil Berkett's statement to Investors - and not guaranteed it's not true or withdrawn from anybody at VM).

You really seem to have a bee in your bonnet about this imaginary £5 Tivo charge for existing customers and you really have no real substantiation of this wild claim at this present moment.

Mr K 22-02-2012 20:44

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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35386514)
You really seem to have a bee in your bonnet about this imaginary £5 Tivo charge for existing customers and you really have no real substantiation of this wild claim at this present moment.

Berkett's quote:
http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/35378652-post1.html

denphone 22-02-2012 20:50

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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35386516)

Best not to believe everything you read Mr K as it often is different to what usually happens on the shop floor.:)

Mr K 22-02-2012 20:54

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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35386519)
Best not to believe everything you read Mr K as it often is different to what usually happens on the shop floor.:)

It was a carefully prepared statement to investors, not an off the cuff remark.

If it's untrue or he's made a mistake why hasn't he personally withdrawn it ? If he's misled investors he'll be in big trouble, which leads me to believe the statement is what VM is intending.

Digital Fanatic 22-02-2012 22:15

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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35386521)
It was a carefully prepared statement to investors, not an off the cuff remark.

If it's untrue or he's made a mistake why hasn't he personally withdrawn it ? If he's misled investors he'll be in big trouble, which leads me to believe the statement is what VM is intending.

It was withdrawn on the Official Forum.

devilincarnate 22-02-2012 22:21

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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35386521)
It was a carefully prepared statement to investors, not an off the cuff remark.

If it's untrue or he's made a mistake why hasn't he personally withdrawn it ? If he's misled investors he'll be in big trouble, which leads me to believe the statement is what VM is intending.

Why not follow them on the stock market and see what is happening?

http://www.nasdaq.com/symbol/vmed

http://www.londonstockexchange.com/e...L1017USGBXSSMU

It is good fun with money?

Mr K 22-02-2012 22:35

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Originally Posted by Digital Fanatic (Post 35386590)
It was withdrawn on the Official Forum.

Not quite. It was preceeded by a 'whilst we reserve the right' statement which means it meant nothing. I also gave Mark Wilkin the opportunity to promise there wouldn't a TiVo charge price rise for current customers this year. Not a big or open ended guarantee, if they are genuine about no increase for current customers. He didn't give it. Personally I believe a statement from the head bloke to investors more than a post on a forum from someone else that has ifs and buts attached.

tridens 23-02-2012 02:18

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Hi
I phoned retentions just to find out my bill will be going up by £3.50 from April and that tivo will go up from £3 to £5 from end of February for new customers and later in the year £5 for ALL CUSTOMERS

daggman 23-02-2012 03:24

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Well they may have made there first profit, but like others i have cancelled the phone (L) and TV (xl), i also believe that the tivo cost will rise in autumn along with line rental. also what happens if sky increase the costs of sports and movies would that effect the cost virgin have to pay for the channels, causing more price rises.sky fibre is in my area in April, so may even cancel that aswell soon, 10 years of cable services over, back in the day cable was much cheaper than sky on price, not anymore.

kop32 23-02-2012 08:54

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Quote:

Originally Posted by tridens (Post 35386652)
Hi
I phoned retentions just to find out my bill will be going up by £3.50 from April and that tivo will go up from £3 to £5 from end of February for new customers and later in the year £5 for ALL CUSTOMERS

OMG, Please don't let Den see this post.

richard1960 23-02-2012 09:00

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Originally Posted by kop32 (Post 35386668)
OMG, Please don't let Den see this post.

:D:D

Itshim 23-02-2012 09:00

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35386487)
yes of course you're right. Why doesn't VM take my house and car aswell they're only material possessions :rolleyes:

Truth is nobody else, including utility companies/council tax/sky, is daring to put up their prices at the moment. VM have miscalculated.

Your lucky my Utility bills went up on the 1st of Jan this year & council tax will be going up by just over 4% :(

richard1960 23-02-2012 09:03

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Quote:

Originally Posted by tridens (Post 35386652)
Hi
I phoned retentions just to find out my bill will be going up by £3.50 from April and that tivo will go up from £3 to £5 from end of February for new customers and later in the year £5 for ALL CUSTOMERS

No surprisng really it was hardly likely that VM would run a two price structure for TiVo for long.

MrB 23-02-2012 09:45

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The CEO announced the Tivo rise for current customers in his investors presentation. One of their strategy team then said on the comminity forums that they had clarification and it would not go up for existing customers. As has been said, the CEO announcement would have been scripted so the community board retraction is likely a short term retraction with the right reserved to put it up (when our current annoyance/reaction dies down or most likely when they judge we have forgotten about it!).

They already have different pricing for different deals, including the £3 per box/£3 per installation change in November and the "free" relocation /keeping of V+ for existing customers. It will be a major hike if we suddenly start get charged £5 per TiVo/free V+ and they decide to add on the multi room cost as well!

VM have an increasing reputation of not honouring deals/prices agreed and contracted, particularly over the last few years.

MrB

Itshim 23-02-2012 09:51

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Perhaps some one can answer this once & for all . As I understand it when your contract runs out the new cost will be £5. Havent seen anything that says this isnt so from the powers that be.

denphone 23-02-2012 09:55

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Originally Posted by kop32 (Post 35386668)
OMG, Please don't let Den see this post.

Well my all seeing eye sees everything but l suspect whoever told them this is talking a load of baloney with regards to this imaginary £5 Tivo fee for existing customers later in the year.:)

Mr K 23-02-2012 10:12

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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35386700)
Well my all seeing eye sees everything but l suspect whoever told them this is talking a load of baloney with regards to this imaginary £5 Tivo fee for existing customers later in the year.:)

Do you believe in the Tooth Fairy too Denphone ? ;)

This is coming from more than one source in VM now. All they have to do is guarantee there will be no increase in the TiVo charge for existing customers this year. So far they haven't done it.

denphone 23-02-2012 10:33

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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35386708)
Do you believe in the Tooth Fairy too Denphone ? ;)

This is coming from more than one source in VM now. All they have to do is guarantee there will be no increase in the TiVo charge for existing customers this year. So far they haven't done it.

So you regard speaking to someone on the other side of the phone as total proof well that is open to question and as DF said earlier the said comment has now been retracted and as far as l and many are concerned that is the end of the matter but if you are happy to continue with your crusade then you are well entitled to do that.:)

No l stopped believing in tooth fairys some 35 years ago Mr K.:)

Itshim 23-02-2012 10:38

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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35386722)
So you regard speaking to someone on the other side of the phone as total proof well that is open to question and as DF said earlier the said comment has now been retracted and as far as l and many are concerned that is the end of the matter but if you are happy to continue with your crusade then you are well entitled to do that.:)

I will take your word for this.

No l stopped believing in tooth fairys some 35 years ago Mr K.:)

What do you mean - these is NO tooth fairy - please tell me that the Easter bunny is real. How else will I get my chocolate fix:confused:

denphone 23-02-2012 10:43

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Originally Posted by Itshim (Post 35386725)
What do you mean - these is NO tooth fairy - please tell me that the Easter bunny is real. How else will I get my chocolate fix:confused:

You could always buy one of those Willy Wonka bars and see if you can win one of those 6 golden tickets.:D

BenMcr 23-02-2012 11:28

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Originally Posted by Itshim (Post 35386698)
Perhaps some one can answer this once & for all . As I understand it when your contract runs out the new cost will be £5. Havent seen anything that says this isnt so from the powers that be.

That is wrong. There is no automatic rise at the end of a contract.

If Virgin decided to change that (and I am in no way implying that they have or will) then it would be considered a price change under the terms and conditions and so would require written notification and trigger the price change clause

stereohaven 23-02-2012 11:33

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I called to be told my price rise is £3.50 but I haven't received a letter so I have no idea how that breaks down.

They said I could give notice on the 1st April so am I right in assuming that is across all services rather than just those that have a price increase?

I think the only thing that isn't going up is line rental but I will want rid of that at the same time.

Itshim 23-02-2012 11:49

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Originally Posted by BenMcr (Post 35386765)
That is wrong. There is no automatic rise at the end of a contract.

If Virgin decided to change that (and I am in no way implying that they have or will) then it would be considered a price change under the terms and conditions and so would require written notification and trigger the price change clause

Thank you for this Ben

Den -were o were can I buy some !!!:angel:

Alan Fry 23-02-2012 11:52

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Originally Posted by richard1960 (Post 35386077)
I will say this for VM their price is going up in april Sky usually have their rise about september time so it could be out of the frying pan into the fire.

In my area however sky can only offer 1mb broadband and no on demand due to pathetically low broadband speed so for me virgin offer a much better serivce, virgin is better value IMO especially since they let me keep my V+ for free multiroom.:)

VM in all my years with them and before that NTL and before that Anglia Cable, have always been reliable.

VM are also a good proivder (except for some TV channels, which I hoping the price rise will fix), so I will stay with VM (for now)!

richard1960 23-02-2012 11:54

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Originally Posted by stereohaven (Post 35386774)
I called to be told my price rise is £3.50 but I haven't received a letter so I have no idea how that breaks down.

They said I could give notice on the 1st April so am I right in assuming that is across all services rather than just those that have a price increase?

I think the only thing that isn't going up is line rental but I will want rid of that at the same time.

Got mine yesterday there was no breakdown on it either you letter will not have one i only broke it down to £2 for the TVXL and £1.50 for the broadband from what i have read on here.

Alan Fry 23-02-2012 11:59

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Originally Posted by richard1960 (Post 35386126)
It might do if you ive in an area that is capable of more them 1mb through a phone line muppetman,also i do get free multiroom whereas freinds who do have sky get charged for this.

1mb BB would not be enough even to stream you tube let alone sky VOD where i live.

Yes Sky do have a greater channel range, but even friends who do have sky will look at the EPG when i am around and they like me with VM will say all these channels and nothing to watch tonight.

In my area Sky certainly do not beat VM by a country mile.:(

Sadly, they have got more HD channels, Sky Atlantic and Premier Sports! :td: :(

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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35386133)
Well my experience of Sky comes from being down my parents place and their broadband is of a generally poor quality with a very intermittent and poor signal happening most of the time and really can you say overall that Skys TV service is that much better then Virgins as Virgin have by far the superior VOD service so overall it is just as good if not better and then the there is a superior STB to boot as well thus making Virgins TV service overall the better package in my mind.

VM's STB, Broadband and VOD are better than Sky! :angel:

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If Sky lanuchs 80MB broadband and improve their VOD (plus adding Netflex and LoveFilm), they VM will be in real trouble!

mike24 23-02-2012 14:37

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I have just changed, my package , 30Mbps/tvM & phone.
Just had a email from April increase of £3.70
With broadband doubling from July nothing like a free lunch!
You either put up with it or cancel.
michael

richard1960 23-02-2012 14:41

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Originally Posted by mike24 (Post 35386909)
I have just changed, my package , 30Mbps/tvM & phone.
Just had a email from April increase of £3.70
With broadband doubling from July nothing like a free lunch!
You either put up with it or cancel.
michael

Yep pretty much my broadband speed increases from july as well in our area.

stereohaven 24-02-2012 13:03

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Apologies for quoting myself but...

Quote:

Originally Posted by stereohaven (Post 35386774)
They said I could give notice on the 1st April so am I right in assuming that is across all services rather than just those that have a price increase?

...does anyone know the definitive answer to this?

As far as I can tell it is the cost of TV and Broadband that is going up but not line rental, although call costs are increasing I think I read somewhere here.

So can I give notice on all of my services on the 1st April or just the TV & Broadband?

2 reasons why I am keen to know the answer, 1. I need my phone line to get ADSL back from Sky and 2. I've just received a very tempting "return to Sky" offer that I only have a couple of weeks to take advantage of!

BenMcr 24-02-2012 13:05

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Originally Posted by stereohaven (Post 35387437)
So can I give notice on all of my services on the 1st April or just the TV & Broadband?

You'll need to speak to Customer Relations. Some people have managed to do so and some haven't.

Although technically as the line rental hasn't increased then the price change clause doesn't count, as the changes in charges are voluntary usage.

You couldn't, for instance, cancel the TV if the price of the Filmflex movies changed

stereohaven 24-02-2012 13:08

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Originally Posted by BenMcr (Post 35387440)
You'll need to speak to Customer Relations. Some people have managed to do so and some haven't.

Thanks for the answer.

When I called to check the price increase and asked specifically if I could cancel everything I was told "Yes", but I know these things can depend on who you speak to on a particular day or what the current directive from on high is.

Luckily I have two lines into the house so worse case scenario I'll have the other one connected for £10 and use that for ADSL instead!

daggman 24-02-2012 14:04

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You dont have to wait till the 1st April to give notice, as soon as you are notified of price increase u have 30 days, i got my letter on Monday, i had a little think about it and cancelled on Wednesday. You will get the come back to sky letters every month without fail.


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