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I would like to install the SuperHub to get my speed up to the 30 Meg I am paying for as part of my package (currently 20Meg the limit of my Virgin Modem)

But as I use an Apple Time Capsule as my main Wireless device, I need the SuperHub to act just as a modem, I don't think this is possible at the moment is it :(

Hope I'm not off topic with this question :dunce:

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There is a new firmware on its way which allows this to be done! I will be doing the same thing when its out because at the moment i just have my time-capsule running separately alongside the super-hub for doing backups :)

the superhub should be fine for you to use up untill the new firmware update is out though


these are results that I just got over wireless to the super-hub; From a distance of about 20 feet
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Nice speeds :)

Well I'll possibly wait till the update as I really like my TC as my wireless device

Nice to know an update is on the way though thanks for the info

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No problem :) as far as i know it should be here in a month or so; so your wait shouldn't be too long!

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The new firmware has been "coming soon" since last November, so I wouldn't hold your breath.

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Wake on Lan is working again just fine now that my old Superhub is acting as loft insulation.

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Would you mind detailing how you did this, please? I'd like my PC to wake up when I RDP to it from work, but I definitely don't want to keep it running 24/7.

Cheers.

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Is it true that the power consumption of the Superhub is 17 watts 24/7, as this seems very high ? :shocked:

My current ntl modem uses less than 1 watt 24/7 :)

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As the PSU is only rated at 18w (12v 1.5A) then I really doubt it uses 17w.

The modem and router need to be on. The machine needs to be wired using an ethernet adaptor that supports WoL. I use LogMeIn Free to remotely access my machines at home and that has a WoL function. It lists all the machines which have connected with the LogMeIn software on them set up for your account with the option to power up any that are off.

There are other ways to do this if you prefer to use different remote desktop software and google should give some answers on those.

With the Superhub and no piggyback modem WoL can be made to work on one machine by forwarding UDP port 9 to that machine's (fixed) IP. With something that works properly you should be able to wake any machine on your network that support the feature without any special router settings.

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Your right :)

just looked it up, (should have done that in the first place) :erm:


The spec says its 12.7 watts, not as bad as I thought, but still quite high

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(12 * 24 * 30) / 1 000 = 8.64 kWh a month = £1.08 a month roughly to leave it on 24/7

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Like it ;)

Great Post Thanks:)

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No problem :)

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For the time being at least a very simple rule of thumb is that 1w 24x7 costs £1 a year.

The other thing to wonder about with the superhub is will its consumption fall much with WiFi off and what about modem mode.

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Thanks very much. I will work out how to get RDP to wake up the PC via UDP port 9 :)

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The Superhub's consumption isn't all that high in relative terms, though it's worse than it should be. One of the normal benefits of integrated devices is lower power consumption, yet the SH uses more than seperate devices doing the same function - around 25-50%. Sounds a lot but it's really only around 2-4w more.

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Just thought I would say that I have had the Superhub now for just over a month. First on 50Mbit and now on 100Mbit. I've not had one problem with it. So +1 from me :)

I can't seem to max the 100Mbit over WiFi though but over wired I easily hit 100Mbit anytime of the day or night.

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I use MSI wireless but during the time, it does not function what happen? is it the network?

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It could be interference from other wifi networks, or distance.

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I took the plunge with the VIP 50 service from the VIP 20 service replacing my stable and reliable Ambit 256 modem with the Superhub. So far, after 48 hours, everything is a thumbs up and I'm getting the speeds I signed up for. I'm keeping my fingers crossed that it stays that way, but I've got peace of mind knowing there's a perfectly good router on standby next to it waiting for, which hopefully will come at some point, the R28 firmware for the Superhub if anything goes pear-shaped........but overall I'm quite happy with everything.

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Care to show a few speedtests? :)

Also im coming up to month 3 with the super hub and its still running good

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Birmingham
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London Namesco

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VMNG300:

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2011/07/80.png
Router has QoS on the upload so one connection will never hit the max.

QoS off:
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[QUOTE=TJS;35269492]Care to show a few speedtests? :)


Sorry, where's my online etiquette.;) Think I made a total hash of posting an image of the test speed, but here's what I came up with. Upload could be a little faster, but overall its been consistent.

http://img651.imageshack.us/img651/3389/webtest.jpg

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I replaced my VMNG300 yesterday with the superhub (100MB) as I was having problems gaming. I did notice whilst dismantling my old set up that I had the wrong power supply to the VMNG300, it had a 12v 1.5A instead of 12v 1A

Maybe this caused my gaming "stickiness" problems?

Anyway I set the superhub up and it's working perfectly, no lag whatsoever and no drop outs or wireless problems yet

Here's a TB graph. (the first couple of hours packet loss was me messing around with speedtests / downloads etc - all fine


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Wouldn't have made any difference if the Powersupply was rated at 1.5A and the VMNG300 was only using 1A. Each device will only take as much current as it can. The rest is essentially wasted by the power supply.

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5 Months and still fine :) Just waiting for firmware version 30 or what ever they're calling it not to finally be pushed.


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Glad to see your fine on it I had the 100mb installed and wish I hadn't although when the next software, is released I hope it solves my issue's.

Ping on games went from 20-30ms to 60-100ms, download speed went from 48.5mb to 83mb and upload speed went from 4.5mb to 7.5mb.

Wireless had to be turned off because it was crashing the router, and at the moment 1 of the issues I have is after gaming for a while I cannot surf the net for 10 minutes while I let the router, sort itself out and actually allow connections to the net.

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That is the Superhub PCB yes?

Did you try this? It really is poor for Wifi and should be an easy and non permanent mod

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Funny how VM does by with 2 antennas when comparable routers from the competition (or even Netgear themselves) use 6-8.

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2 is enough if they external.

the superhub is the first router I have where they not external.

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The Airport Extreme is not external and - of course - it pees on the SH for wireless reach (as well as being dual band simultaneous).

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I'm surprised no-one has modded. Its £10 for the necessary bits from eBay and quite reversable. Haven't looked but I assume the case can be opened and shut without it being apparent ;-)

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It is supposed to have anti tamper fastenings and other pointers for a technician to see if you have done so, but who knows.

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Security torx and tri-wing screwdrivers have been available for many a year.. I'm not though advocating altering anything as it's against the terms and conditions of the contract with VM but it does go to show what some people think of the superhub and it's performance.

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I see on the Alternative Cable Forum someone said he was going to but no report of results

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And costs about £140.....;)

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Many people even have them as part of their standard toolkits as well.;)

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my superhub reset once due 2 wireless interference ... i sorted that out & ive never looked back.... got no problems whatsoever. i get full speed using wifi & an A rating on that online ping test program :)

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I'd be more inclined to just plug in a decent router over Ethernet.

At least then you'd both rule out any firmware issues, get dual-band simultaneous, and avoid voiding any warranties or contracts.

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I have had my superhub for about 8 months now with 100meg. Never had a problem and im very happy with the service. I get an occasional speed dip during peak times but that is understandable. I dont use modem mode just the hub and i have not had one reset.

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Not had a single issue with our's and we were getting through routers 2-3 times a year. We've regularly got around 20 devices hooked up at once - it seems to handle it way better than any other router we've used. Very stable too considering how much interference we get in the area (there are approx. 30 other wifi networks picked up).

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My WNDR3700 is not external either. Reaches the farthest corner of a large house.

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It also has 8 antennas verses the Superhub's two.

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Let me make clear just what those Superhub antennas actually are.

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2012/01/50.jpg

A 3cm x 1.5cm PCB making the antenna about a half wave dipole at 2.4GHz. There are two PCBs each mounted at about 45°. This is reasonably efficient but most routers come with one or more external antennas typically offering 4dB of gain over a dipole. You can also usually replace the supplied external ones with alternatives which offer higher gain. Gain is achieved by favouring one direction at the expense of another - typically by "squashing" the vertical radiation on the rod style antennas sold (search for collinear antenna if you want a better explanation).

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Weird how this post came about when I'm just looking at designs for a 1.09Ghz collinear..

My worry with replacing a dipole for a collinear would be an impedance mismatch especially when running duplex on a single antenna, last thing you need is the transmit power to be feeding down the line to the receiver or causing oscillation further into the PCB.

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Superhub has worked well for me up until Sunday. On Sunday the wireless connection suddenly became very unstable, dropping connection and offering extremely erratic speeds when it was connected. Wired connections were still 100% ok.

Seeing the classic signs of interference, and with people recently moved into the flat next door I assumed that they'd turned on a router to the same channel as mine and changed from 7 to 13. This fixed the problem until Monday. On Monday the connection speed remained normal but started to flat out stop working every 5 minutes or so, until the client (iPhone/laptop internal/PC external dongle) was disconnected then reconnected, but the problem would return a few minutes later.

This prompted me to change channel again (to 12), even though I could see through my PC's software that there weren't many competing networks and certainly none on CH13. This returned stability for the next hour or so until I went to bed.

Then this morning while browsing the net on my phone it returned, requiring me to turn off wifi and then back on in order to regain the connection. Faulty hardware, or what?

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I have seen at least one report where a Superhub on auto apparently followed the frequency used by other Superhubs. It seems far fetched to me but so does a year waiting for a diagnosis and fix of a memory leak when there are supposedly half a million of the wretched things in operation.

As has been mentioned before there are only actually 3 non-overlapping channels in the 2.4GHz band - 1 6 and 11. Running on (say) 7 when there is another strong signal on 6 doesn't mean you will avoid all degradation.

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Possibly next door are on Auto-channel or have one of these BT HH3s that bugger everyone else up at random.

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All the BT hubs round here seem to be on ch10 so I normally manually put myself down in the lower ranges. Mind you I only bother with a G rated kindle and laptop on wifi as the whole house is wired for gigabit ethernet

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This is why my network runs across channel 1, 5, 9, 13, 36, and 40.

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Greedy boy :)

---------- Post added at 17:57 ---------- Previous post was at 17:55 ----------

can you confirm that Infinity comes with a modem so there's no need to use a HH at all please...

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Loving the thread title.

The superhub is awful.

1 - To achieve 100 meg I need to be on 5ghz
2 - If i'm on 5ghz my iphones won't work on wifi
3 - The superhub doesn't support simultaneous 2.5 and 5ghz

....so....

Ditch the superhub for wifi - invest in an airport and.....

1 - Get 5 and 2.4 ghz
2 - Immediate wifi speed increase from 70 meg to 95 meg down.

Sorted.

The Superhub was costing be 25 meg down!!!!!

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Unlicensed spectrum is unlicensed.

Bite me :p:

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the rev03 for me seems improved on latency over the rev01 superhub.

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Whilst I have no doubt you're having major issues with the shub, many people's works fine. I get a very solid 120mbps on mine without any dropouts. It's on 2.5ghz with a ton of people in our local area channel hopping daily.

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Quick query, how did you go about getting access to ch 36 and 40? DD-WRT/OpenWRT?

Cheers :)

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Any 5Ghz device should be able to do those channels by default.

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5GHz is immense :D

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BFWA is immenser. Range wise that is.

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:shocked: