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Well clearly not.

For a start there is no way that he, the club, or Rooney would have wanted things to get this far. Rooney's image has been damaged in the last week amongst United's own fans and while the spin to rehabilitate him has already started (it was his agent, he was only concerned about the future of the club) it should be remembered that it was Rooney's people who gave the nod for the 'Rooney leaving' stories at the start of the week and he gave the statement on Wednesday.

The affair story had been lost already, to suddenly flare an issue up months later makes no sense. The media may well have known last August, in fact they enquired about a rumored move to City, but both club and agent denied this and the press didn't run with it.

I am not sure if this was a spectacularly ill-conceived contract negotiation attempt, or he wanted to move to City but was taken aback by the reaction.

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His image has already been damaged, he'd been dropped from some advertising campaign. I can't see his reputation getting that much worse out of this and even so perhaps SAF considered this the lesser of 2 evils. His people would have been involved in this too.

I just can't see such a massive U turn coming so soon after him saying he wants to leave. 5 years is a big contract to sign.

And I really can't remember anything mentioned about Rooney possibly leaving back in AUgust :confused:

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I think Utd have played a blinder as they have now secured a prized asset for a further 5 years, meaning that if he wanted to move again, say in Summer, he will now command a much higher transfer fee.

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I do wonder if Fergie will kick him out in the summer. He never seems to allow such open challenges before.

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Great mind game, to completely turn the press against some one when their personal life is already front page news, making the press look like fools isn't going to divert their attention away from Rooney for a long, long time. Master of mind games my arse, if anyone is manipulating the situation it was Rooneys agent, that's without even going into the impact this'll have on his team mates and fans.

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Yes but what did Rooney get out of it, pay rise? Well if he'd waited till January he'd have been able to name his own wages all but and secure a massive signing on fee.

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Bearing in mind his reasons were not motivated by money (alledgedly), and more so by thinking the club would ot be able to win any trophies through lack of new signings, once the re-assurance had made that Utd are going to sign new players, could he really then justify leaving? (hope that made sense)

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Makes perfect sense however if all he wanted was reassurance why let the situation get so far out of hand, he has behaved so badly toward his team mates, fans and management he might not be able to turn it round.

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I think money was a huge factor in the deal. If the reports are true hes pretty much doubled his money.

The way I see it its one of the following options

1/ It was a cynical ploy on the part of Rooneys team to secure the best monatary deal possible and Rooney had no intention of leaving.

2/ He has been given assurances on the future of the club and has changed his mind. That said I'm not sure what assurances could be given and how binding any assurances would be.

3/ Fergie has said - Sign a new deal for a huge payrise and give us one more year. If you still want to leave then we won't stand in your way.

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The press were against him anyway - as I said the lesser of 2 evils, one of which has now been solved.

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Against him is different to out to get him

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All this has really made me laugh, you had Rooney stating this and that and he wanted to leave. Then when none of the potential champions league winning teams expressed any interest, because he is the most over rated player in the world he does a u turn and signs the same deal that was allready on the table.

Utd are left with a striker who hasn`t scored in open play since March, who has publicly dissed his team-mates and manager, smokes and drinks (not to mention other habits) and they think everything is super-duper!
Debt`s of >£700 million and rising aren`t an issue :rolleyes:

He is not in the same class as people like Ronanldo, Messi, Pato, Higuain, etc, but because he`s English the press and pundits rave on about him as if he`s as good as George Best was. Far far from it, it if hadn`t been for some superb "team-mates" he wouldn`t have scored half as many goals.

Oh and he`s got an ankle injury now :rofl: you couldn`t make it up...your welcome to him!!!

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I'm taking it by that you don't think Real Madrid have a chance in he Champions League this season

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I think Real Madrid have a very good chance of winning the champions league, they certainly don`t need Rooney to achieve that. Also from what iv`e read i doubt they were that interested, maybe Mourinho said a few things but remember that`s Mourinho and things work differently in Spain ;)

From Real Madrid director general Jorge Valdano

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Sepp Blatter fallling down

Added bonus is that it looks like it really hurt, although we'll only know for sure if he was just laying there, rather than rolling around and appealing

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Its no secret that Perez is a fan of Rooney.

But yep you're right no interest there. If only you had told Marca before they splashed it on their front page.

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Oh come on, we had Rooney in a City shirt plastered all over our papers...

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none of our papers are as closely linked to clubs as marca are to Real Madrid.

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Seems like Rooney has doubled his money to £180,000 a week. Which ironically will make it harder to bring in more top class players as there wage bill will spiral. Victory for him and his agent though as it's considerably more than the touted £120,000 offered in the summer.

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Marca are a bit OTT though. It's well known Madrid were looking quite closely at buying him but they felt City were ahead in the players mind.

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Ah that must be what Matty means about clubs with no chance of winning the Champions league ;)

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I do think that this has damaged the relationship between him and the players and it will be interesting to see how they react the next time they are all playing.

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http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/f...s-2109748.html

Did you really think Rooney was going to Madrid in January (Jorge Valdano stated "In January there will be neither ins nor outs"? Also would Mourinho have wanted to upset his potential future employers?

Utd and Rooney have got what you wanted, Rooney stays.........as do the Glazers!!!

Did someone say Rooney has a mind :shocked:

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The incident outside Rooney's home came after his team-mate Patrice Evra said that the striker should be frozen out at United over his public declaration that the club have not signed players who can make them competitive. Evra said: "If one player does not trust the other players, that player should not play. I am not like that as I trust everyone and I know we can win."

Full story: the Independent

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According to Sky Sports News (TV), Portsmouth FC are to be liquidated.
Feel sorry for the fans if it goes through, the players won't care as they'll get their money.

http://www.skysports.com/story/0,195...461734,00.html

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Tragic. Puts the pathetic Rooney story in perspective.

This month:

• Liverpool get saved on the day their loans need to be called in.
• Italy and Serbia game is called off due to violence.
• FIFA members investigated for corruption.
• Napoli fans attack Liverpool fans
• Rooney, in public, expresses a desire to leave and then signs a new contract for at least £180,000
• Portsmouth may well cease to exist

What a month for football eh?

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I think Rooney will regret his actions of the past week.

United have now acquired his signature on a further five year contract which is what they wanted. (Needed for a maximum sell on fee).

My guess is that he will not be a Man utd player in say 18 months time.

You stand up against Fergie/Man Utd at your peril.

Plus Rooney needs to get rid of his agent imo.

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Most above, if not all, are not that unusual, though maybe in Liverpool case, more high profile

I don't feel sorry for Portsmouth, I think more clubs should go to the wall. I do feel sorry for all the businesses that lose money purely due to bad management by the owners of football clubs. I think something should be done to them.

Otherwise, corruption in office, sick fans attacking someone (and italy, shock) and a footballer on the front of the newspapers...nope..usual :D

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What about Portsmouth fans? The ones who have poured countless money into the club? They deserve a sympathy vote surely? After all, its not the fans that decide to pay silly wages etc.
If all this goes through, it could be a BIG wake up call to "bigger" teams that they need to start living within their means - though something inside says it won't.

As for Rooney...well, to question Sir Alex is bordering on lunacy. You can probably work out that I'm not Man United's biggest fan, but SAF deserves more respect, he's got Man United winning things with an average squad for the last 4 years I'd argue, simply because he's a winner and it rubs off on people. If Rooney did have doubts, they should have been aired in private, before he announced his intention to leave.

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Nope. You pays your money, you takes your chance.

The club, at one time was owned by somebody, and then went into public ownership. So someone took a conscious decision to sell.

As to fans, what do they own? They supported a club..they had a choice. No one forced them, and i don't see how they can complain.

Loyalty means nothing...let's not kid ourselves on that point.

If a few clubs go to the wall..so be it...if from that, clubs start living within their means..great. And if Man city keep spending their owners money..good..after all..it is his money.

I think the petty jealousy needs to be dropped, I don't let people tell me how to spend my money..and i have been known to spend it foolishly

And as for the fans..peeing a few pints or more of lager against a wall is not the best use of money..but is their choice..as is going to a football match

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Good points but I do think you are being a bit harsh, don't forget some people will have been paying to watch Pompey 50+ years before it was a rich mans game, and to suddenly have it taken away due to greedy agents...I just feel sorry for them.

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I have sympathy..but garnished with realism

Whilst i know some make supporting their clubs their whole life..I think some take it too far..hence the supporters outside rooney's home

And no reason they don't do a wimbledon..not happy, support someone else local. But playing with the big boys costs money. And their club was living beyond their means.

I would think these days..most football clubs must be someone's possession. Only club I know owned by the fans, is the one bought on internet, Ebbsfleet United
(I swithered paying money back then to join them...but didn't..thought of other things to waste my money on :)..but supported the sentiment )

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I completely agree with that. It is only a game at the end of the day, thats why I cringe when I hear that Leeds fans have been in trouble, theres a small minority that give the rest of us a bad name.
I think the only way to stop football imploding is a salary cap. Every interview that a player gives, they always say "it's not about me, its the team, blah, blah, blah", well if they really believe that, then they'd have no problem getting paid the same. At the END of the season, maybe the clubs could reward some success with a financial bonus, that I wouldn't have a problem with. And I certainly wouldn't mind the England players getting paid if they actually won something, but to be paid to represent your country should be an honour that money can't buy.

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I agree with a salary cap and i know its worked in rugby league. The only thing is it would have to be international, otherwise players would be leaving to play in other countries and the prestige of the premiership would be lost.

What do we reckon then - minimum wage lol. Haha, thats just for the LFC players atm ;)

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I'm amazed football has got away with the financial 'structure' they have, lately

Players are paid more per week than an average worker would hope to earn in 5 years and a decent seat at a match costs more than a flight to a nice sunny holiday destination.

- then they want to also charge a subscription to watch a game on the telly, meanwhile the clubs are apparently millions of pounds in debt ..

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The real problem is the way that they can afford the inflated wages in the first place. Each club is effectively a monopoly as fans don't transfer allegiance as you would with supermarket chains. They can also demand inflated fees for things like TV rights because again they are effectively monopolies, ie you can't buy the rights from somewhere else.

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A salary cap would never work, sneaky ways round it would be found and exploited.

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and yet no one complains when business men (except bankers) earn millions a year or when F1 drivers sign million pound contracts, footballers are different though and have you ever wondered why a footballers salary is reported as weekly? No one elses is, you dont hear of Tiger Woods weekly wage but you do footballers, it's a throwback to the days of earning a fiver a week, it's not a working class game anymore and the players earning big bucks earn their clubs a hell of a lot of revenue in the process.

Some of the clubs are millions of pounds in debt, some have been poorly run yes but just as many have been subject to hostile take overs burdening them with debt and some like my own club have just been unlucky, typical really the richest man in Iceland buys the club just as the bubble bursts...

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The real problem is after boom comes bust, the football bubble wont carry on forever, nothing ever does and not many clubs have had the foresight to plan for this very real eventuality.

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[QUOTE=TheDaddy;35112576]A salary cap would never work, sneaky ways round it would be found and exploited.





and yet no one complains when business men (except bankers) earn millions a year or when F1 drivers sign million pound contracts, footballers are different though and have you ever wondered why a footballers salary is reported as weekly? No one elses is, you dont hear of Tiger Woods weekly wage but you do footballers, it's a throwback to the days of earning a fiver a week, it's not a working class game anymore and the players earning big bucks earn their clubs a hell of a lot of revenue in the process.


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A salary cap could work, it works in rugby. Players could get a set amount from their club, for arguments sake £10k, then are free to chase their own sponsorship deals and lucrative contracts elsewhere.
I'm not complaining at the fact that they get paid alot, it's the fact that they are paid obscene amounts and the clubs are getting into debt because of the demands. This is for arguments sake, but if Chelsea win the league this season and get £25m prize money I would have absolutely no problem with the players sharing that, the players are the attraction of football and DO deserve a cut of the money, but it needs to be regulated or capped, with the rest going into investing in youth, grass roots etc.

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Oh really

Salary-cap abuse is killing the English game, warns Wasps' Steve Hayes

English rugby union is facing a crackdown on breaches of the salary cap, with administrators considering sanctions to match those which have seen an Australian rugby league club stripped of two championship titles. It is believed that one high-profile Guinness Premiership club could be charged next month amid concerns of widespread abuses.

The London Wasps owner, Steve Hayes, is among those who allege the salary cap rules are being cynically exploited by certain individuals

http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2010...p-tsar-warning

You don't think the abuses would be far worse once football agents get their teeth into the global market, rather than the chairmen of a fringe game.

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COME ON!

Arsenal have won a big game :D. Seriously, it's sounds pathetic. You my fellow forumaties will be rolling your eyes but Arsenal have not won a big game since beating United a couple of seasons ago. City are certainly a 'big game' especially at Eastlands. They beat Chelsea there after all. They were second in the table.

These is a very Important victory. Not because it put us up there in 2nd and level on points with City, United but also because it will give them confidence they can compete at the top level.

3 - 0 at Eastlands. Awesome.

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As for Salary cap the UEFA fair play rules will hopefully deflate the wages a little because their simply is not enough money in the game to sustain the wages that Chelsea and City play. Chelsea, to their credit, are aggressively cutting it for example. No need for a cap.

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City aren't a big team. A rich team, but not a big team.

So, sorry Damien, you'll have to wait a bit longer. :D

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But they are genuine title contenders I think, which makes a victory against them worth noting. City, though, did play well until the final stages.

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Hey they are a big team. I know what you mean but they are title contenders, top 4 contenders, and it was away. Spurs are a top team as well. Don't get me wrong, I'll enjoy beating them too :D

For my big team argument I don't think you can disagree (I mean you can, and just did, but still) they are a big team. They beat Chelsea there, they were second and they have some top players.

Anyway. I am pretty drunk. For the 'big games' (or what I consider to be the big games) I find a double shot of makers mark (whiskey) helps calms my nerves and when we won I thought another double shot would be a good idea :D

Arsenal! Arsenal! Arsenal!

(PS I Support Arsenal in case you were wondering)

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So Arsenal need to play 85 minutes against 10 men to have confidence that they can compete? :rolleyes:

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No, Arsenal need to comprehensively beat a direct rival away from home, to have confidence.

In case it's what you're insinuating; the 10 men you had doesn't take anything away from the victory, it adds to it in fact. You went down to 10 men because of Arsenal's superiority and the deficiencies in your team. If it was an incorrect or fluke sending off, then it would be right to say Arsenal's victory wasn't that impressive, but it wasn't.

Anyway, on a lighter note, some Stoke City fans today:

http://d.yimg.com/a/p/sp/getty/d6/fu...oke_city_v.jpg

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Amazing viewpoint made after 5 minutes and a simple stupid mistake by one person.. or shall we forget about playing the other 85 and just finish the games there from now on ;) :D

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Stupid mistakes decide games, especially the big ones where both teams are at the top of the league. In this case an incisive pass from Fabregas and a good run by Chamakh had broken though the City defence, Just prior to this a similar move and only just failed due to offside, and Boyata committed a professional foul.

City can have no complaints about that. It wasn't simply a mistake by one person either, the defence shouldn't have been opened up like that and left Boyata in such a position. Where on earth was City's left back for example?

Red cards are as much apart of Football as anything else and it was a fair red card. You do play the remaining 85 minutes and Arsenal had the quality to make it count.

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But a defence open at that particular moment and then a desperate tackle doesn't make a game.. It can shape the games future but 5 minutes is just a small part of the game..

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So? A goal may only be moments of the game. :confused: As I said there was a warning before hand with a previous pass which broke down because of an offside. Arsenal cut though the defence and city reacted poorly. Even then City had to be broken down, they were at home and aspire to challenge for the title. The deadlock was broken pretty quickly after that when Arsenal, again, exploited City's left back.

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A goal has to be a moment in the game otherwise we might as well work on the golden goal rule and go home ;)

What counts is the result at the end of the 90 minutes and also how you got to that result..

I'm sure there are games that your team have won but you wonder how, as well as games where they lost but you've thought "They played great but were unlucky"

I though don't think that a game against 10 men for 85 minutes can be seen as a test or a confidence builder

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Because Arsenal won away from home against a team that are viewed as title contenders for the first time in 2 years. They didn't get lucky, the red was a result of a situation Arsenal created.

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No, the red was a result of one persons actions and one persons alone.. (otherwise the ref would have dismissed 1 city and 11 arsenal players :p: ) Arsenal can create as many situations as they want to but unless a player is stupid enough to react then it's not gonna make a difference ;)

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It's a team of 11 players. If he hadn't being stupid there would have been a clear goal scoring opportunity so meh.

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And how many clear goal scoring oppertunities actually result in a goal :D

We can debate all day what might have happened but I really do prefer to focus on what did happen :p:

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Yup. 3 - 0 to the Arsenal at Eastlands. :D

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Yep, Arsenal won, would have been nice though to see two 11 men teams though fight it out instead of one having an advantage for most of the match..

Still though it evens things up a bit now so makes the top of the premiership a lot more exciting

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Perhaps this argument can be revisited in May...;)

One sending off, goal or game doesn't make a season

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I reckon the way City lost showed a lot more character than many `other` teams fans give the players credit for. Talking to a pal who was there City managed to pretty much hold their own for large parts of the match, obviously second half when legs got tired is when it really began to show. I mean if there`s one team you don`t wan`t to go down to 10 men against it`s Arsenal.
By all accounts if Adebayor was in half decent form he could easily have equalized, i still thing we`d have lost but defeat is not allways a bad thing.
The fans certainly applauded the players for their efforts, even if it was in vain, also nice to see Balotelli getting a run out, just need a fit Kolarov and things mike look a bit better.
One thing that does annoy me is look at Mark Hughes signings compared to Mancini`s, how and why he paid what he did for some players i`ll never know :rolleyes:

Chamakh could be Arsenals missing link, then again :erm:

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Has anyone ever been to Camp Nou before?

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yer i been there ages ago went on a tour.

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Yes I went in May Damien - why do you ask?

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Thinking of going to a game there but was wondering how easy to get to and from the airport was. It's look awkward because all their games seem to be in the evening.

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Flying into Barcelona BCN? We got the train into Catalunya in the centre (not long iirc, about 30 mins) and its only a few minutes from there to the ground. You could bus, metro it or jump a cab - there are plenty around. I wasn't overly impressed with the ground, but then again i suppose thats not what you are going for.

Here is the link for a good transport map too http://www.fgc.es/eng/planol.asp

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Hmmmm, would they really let one of their better players leave for nothing over 20k?

http://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/2896/...npaid-survival

With a bit of luck he'll win and get to leave for free and come back to Rangers. :scratch:

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Cheers. It's awkward La Liga games are so late.

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Somehow I don't really see them going elsewhere, when they leave Utd. At their age, I think that they will just retire.

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Will your club wear poppies with pride?

Nice quote From Harry and good support from most clubs, but why on earth United don't want to honour the memory of those that lost their lives, God only knows. Maybe they can't afford the badges. It's not like the team is filled with Germans and Itallians is it?

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Utd will have poppys according to Rio

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The Italians were on our side in WWI ;)

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United V Spurs today, it should be a good game as usual between these two. It wouldn't surprise me if United got turned over today.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/foot...em/9137317.stm

Prediction: United 1 Spurs 2

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Only after the beginning of Sept 1943 in ww2 though ;)

There's no reason as to why Germans or Italians should commemorate their war dead.. They were all people just for most parts on the wrong side..

I'd rather though if a club didn't want to display the poppy that they give the costs of the shirt design to the poppy appeal ;)

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You must be joking. Even when you give us a 2 goal headstart we still lose. And we're on our 4th and 5th choice centre-back pairing and playing away.

Utd 4 - 0 Spurs. If we are lucky, then 3 - 1 with VDV to score first.

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I think it should not matter if the clubs wear the Poppy or not. They never used too and the recent trend seems to be a PR exercise. The players don't choose to wear them as a matter of personal choice and turning it into an image issue cheapens it IMO. Last year United didn't wear them, they did however donate money and allow collections around the ground yet this didn't matter to the press who made the wearing of the Poppy the absolute decider of respect or disrespect.

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Exactly and that's why it's necessary. Footballers have so much influence on young people and these are the kind of people that tend to lack respect to the fallen especially WW1 and WW2.

The other side of PR here is important. Honouring the dead from 90 years ago but the RBL need money now to help those suffering from WW2 and more recent conflicts

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I think asking for respect for a cause is just fine. Demanding respect ... well, ok, depending on the cause (fine in this case), but demanding respect and then prescribing how that respect is to be shown is a step too far.

I am no fan of anything that goes on inside Old Trafford (except for the home team getting thrashed, of course), however they should have the right to conduct their affairs the way they see fit without being demonized for not doing things exactly the way someone else says they should.

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Or even a 3 goal lead at your place ;)

All I said was "It wouldn't surprise me" but I will stick with my prediction :)

Anyway, you still need to even things out. Do you remember this......

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/local/2010/10/2.jpg

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Very well, that was Pedro Mendes' shot.

Even if we had been given that win, the record over the last 21 years speaks for itself. We just can't seem to get enough points from the top 4 away from home.

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That's my prediction out of the window then 2 - 0 United, latest

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And again it shows that United always get the right ref descisions at OT. Especially against us. It's like playing against 12 men. Any wonder we never get a result there?

Unbelieveable.

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The ref made a mistake, up until then the game was about equal, except for the score of course.

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We should just forfeit next year. Save the petrol and hotel money.

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The only mistake he made was not giving a penalty for the foul on Nani, prior to his dive and handball.

The goal was perfectly valid, it was Gomes' fault. The ref played advantage instead of giving a freekick, so the ball was still in play when Gomes dropped it and Nani scored. Where was the ref's whistle for Gomes to take a freekick? Nowhere. And Gomes' imaginary freekick was nowhere near where the offence occurred either.

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The ref did not make a mistake, watch it again.
Firstly nani should have had a penalty, he didnt get it.
Secondly he dived or fell and handled the ball, the ref saw that but because gomez had the ball and 2 united players were out of posistion he gave the spurs advantage.
He clearly indicates play on (because gomez has the ball), gomez, for reasons only known to himself throws the ball in front of him instead of humping it up the field. No whistle has been blown, the balls still in play and nani scores.
Nothing wrong with the goal.

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I was at the Arsenal game and I have to ask; How on earth are West Ham in the regulation zone? Fair enough Arsenal were not really on their game today but still! It was an impressive performance, especially from Rob Green, they will have no trouble if they play like that. Only negative note was the fans singing 'Sit down you Pedo' to Wenger. I thought Spurs/United were the last teams to cut that out.

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Somehow, I think this goal will be mentioned every year, like the Mendes "goal" by commentators and fans...

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I doubt it. One was a valid goal incorrectly disallowed which may well have earned Spurs an historic victory. The other was a valid goal correctly allowed which didn't change the result.

Apples and oranges.

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Reminds me of the incident with Porto vs Arsenal. Fabanski picks up a back pass, turns away after handling the ball back, Porto slot it into the net.

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Don't worry, next year it will be something different.

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Well if that defeatist attitude is prevalent among Spurs players and staff, no wonder you have such a dismal record against Man United.

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Having watched it again on MOTD, it would appear you and Blackthorn are correct in your analysis. In my defence, I was making a cup of tea at the time, and therefore only taking notice of the commentators on ESPN, it seems my judgement was somewhat misguided.

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Don't get me wrong, I thought that it was a goal, but to paraphrase Vic Reeves, they never let it lie...everytime we play them...it's 5 years now...

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To be fair to Spurs there is utter confusion over if they had been given the free kick or not. The whistle hadn't blown but the ref hadn't waved play on. Not sure if he didn't see it but the linesman did and seems to do little. Gomes should have picked it up but people make mistakes.

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It's the old adage, play to the whistle...

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In all the confusion and the crowd noise (not least eminating from a penalty appeal) it's very easy for the whistle to be missed. When it was clear Gomes thought the whistle had gone Clattenberg should have said something. Nani clearly handled and just as clearly Clattenberg never played the advantage. There was never any advantage to play in the first place.

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Come on, it's not just us. No visiting team ever gets a descision at OT. We just seem to get the most obvious descisions against us.

Even Jon Champion who has no great love for Spurs alluded that every year we inexplicable get so many descisions incorrectly against us.

Incidently, Ferguson still carries around his stopwatch doesn't he?

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Also I should point out as it has obviously escaped your notice that yesman (A Utd fan last time I looked) brought up the Mendes goal, not me. And then Jon Champion did, several times, before I did.

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The biggest and major problem with officials is that there is no consistancy, the linesman flagged for an offence, which was the handball, but that idiot Clat, failed to see it, and therefore failed to take the nessersary action.

Nani should have been booked for delibarate handball, and the goal should have been disallowed.

It is not the first time that Liono Beck and Clattenburg have been involved in aggro involving Utd v Spurs, the biggest clanger was the goal that Spurs scored when the ball was 2 feet over the line, and the officials didn't see. What will happen now is that Harry will get heavily fined for having a go at the Ref.

Too me he should not be refing, due to problems he had last year in regards to his finances, any ref that goes to Utd get influenced, you only have the read the article from Graham Poll.

What should happen is that the FA should look at the footage of the game, and overrule the ref, and this has happen before.

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Strange how they can hear it other times... ;) Play to the whistle...

Classic, that old chestnut ;)


Also, I should point out as it has obviously escaped your notice that I didn't name you, unless you are the only the Spurs fan ;)

Here's my post where I said commentators and fans... ;)

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Would that be drawn out by the was Modric was booked for appealing but Rio Ferdinand was allowed to become part of a three way conversation with Ref and linesman.

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Have been playing well most of the season....

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Nearly 90 minutes of my life wasted watching that but good result in the end and some mildly entertaining stufff:

Gerrard wearing "special" boots planted by Agent Hodgson to prevent shots on target

Bolton main threat via hoof balls to WWE superstar Kevin Davies

Second half - tubby midfielder Joe Cole's leg falls off

Johan Elmander substituted after 81 minutes throwing toys out of cot by winner in Igor Biscan lookalike competition in last weeks Bolton matchday programme

86 minutes Maxi "Pele" Rodriguez places the ball in the onion bag from exquisite Torres backheel

88 minutes Hodgson tries to bring Christian Poulsen out of cryogenic suspension, fails but brings him on anyway

FT - the big Greek goes to spark the Bolton mascot but decides to shake hands instead

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Yes, 90 minutes of my time wasted also.
I refuse to watch another game when Bolton are playing, especially when Kevin Davies is in on the pitch, I lost count of how many times he went over and conned the ref.

Never again :td:

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Just thought I would throw in my two penneth if that is OK guys...

1 Spurs at Man Utd. Again another dodgy decision against Spurs up there. This one is very simple, poor reffing without a doubt. No whistle NOR clear indication as to play on just a simple shrug of the shoulders???? Schoolboy stuff, even the park refs clearly wave play on OR blow the whistle.

2 West Ham...results keep you up not how well you play but lose. Would be a shame to see you relegated. You know I mean that most sincerely...COYS

3 Bolton Vs Liverpool was your average fair for a 6 pointer relegation dog fight. No skill, no desire and no hope of achieving anything this year.

Happy Days, bring on the Inter :D

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What ever team go to MU, you are not going to get the result, all officials are scared stiff of Fergie, and if l am not wrong last season, the cameras were on Fergie seen talking to the 4th official, and seconds later up pooped 5 mins added time, and the oppostion manager is lipped read to say ' where did the 5 minutes come from' and clearly Fergie was smiling, and what happens, United get the winner.

I don't scare what anyone says, Fergie clearly has some say with the officials,.