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Unfortunately, the law is black and white and what you've said on here to attempt to excuse what you do wouldn't hold up in a court.

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OK.

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I bet your trembling with fear :LOL:

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You do actually realise that even though Chris is a moderator on here that he is still able to post as an ordinary member and when a moderator feels the need to moderate they use bold typeface to indicate that they are posting thus.;)

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Lol @ Adzii was bragging about having a cloned sky card.. Thanks alot lol Now I Had to go back and tell them it was a hoax and a Subactive Of My making..
Which I dont care if its illegal or not because im not paying over the top for multi-room! I pay for sky.. so im having it where i want it!

I will not sit and Pretend I've never downloaded a movie or streamed something Because I have many of times..

Last week I Paid to see Haloween II this week I downloaded Dead Man Running.. Call the PM and have him spank me?

I dont order movies from sky box office but im a keen WWE and boxing fan.. so last night I paid 15 quid to watch boxing.. Not so long ago it was 15 quid for WWE.. So I pay my fair share aswell as the Occasional download or stream

The most Ive done with VM is tamper with their Shabby Wiring! But Like I've Said And a Few others have said They Dont really care who steals what.. I dont care.. My TV Viewing is Fine

But Let me Also state this.. When these 'Dodgy Boxes' are cut off.. Who will Increase In Customers.. Sky or Virgin?

After this Post Can This Thread Go Back to Being about VM Dodgy Boxes and Not a Debate over What is Right and Wrong In Streaming and Downloads

And I know before you say Sky Multiroom is only a tenner Extra a Month But Im not gonna pay that For them to Do what I've done In 10 Minutes..

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Hmmm.....where did I put that Bold pen.....ah, there it is.....

Right you lot, back on topic. Stop the bickering, drop the arguments about the legalities/moralities of downloading, and get back to discussing 'Virgin media possibly getting serious on dodgy boxes?[sic]' or I'll start banging heads together.

Thank you for your cooperation :)

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Great handwriting for such a bold pen... Bold pen lol? Marker pen?

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:rolleyes: The pen is mightier than the swear! :rolleyes:

Rob M, why the '[sic]'? The only thing I can see wrong with the thread title is the lack of a capital 'M' in Media. Was that it?

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Well apparently some guys in Middlesborough are close to Finishing Software to crack Nagra 3

If this is true.. what a mess this will be

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On related news lead can now be made into gold by a simple process say some guys in Middlesbrough who understand the laws of physic better than Steven Hawkins.

BTW how can guys in Middlesbourgh be hacking N3 when its not in that area according to all the press and forum information that is available ????

N3 has never been hacked and up to now everyone who has tried has failed. I would not be holding my breath over this ********.

BTW considering the ******** you post on another forum and was found out on

I take what you have said with a very very large lump of salt

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Presumably Nagra 3 is available in Middlesborough from other sources (i.e. various satellite feeds) even if it is not on VM yet.

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Well i was talking to a guy on Hotmail from down boro way. He tells me they are ready for Nagra 3.

He also told me this.. i know its slightly off topic but someone just tell me this aint possible. A chipped NTL modem he claims to be selling, Surely thats impossible right I mean that would case an outrage. If i talk to him again Ill keep the chat logs for you lot to inspect :)

if anyone wants to do some undercover work Im up for giving you his email lol


Something else that bothers me people who make claims, noone in this world knows nagra 3 will be unbeatable yet everyone acts like its the second coming of jesus, If it works well then it works but if it Does'nt how stupid will you feel then.

I've gave warnings before and again..The guys behind these boxes dont care about anything but money they will make.. to them.. impossible is nothing

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they are not chipped ffs

I have no doubt myself nagra 3 will eventually get hacked but I think its gonna take a good while

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They are cloned modems.

Nagra 3 aint cracked, middlesborough isn't even a test area AFAIK.

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I know lol.. read what i said... CHIPPED MODEM! Its the first time ive ever heard about these things..

Reality or just some crap he's made up?

The boxes are Flashed with firmware is what you meant presumably?

Ahh just read cloned modem.. and this allows him to gain free internet ?

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Correct.

The modems wont last much longer either when a new system gets put in place.

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Well i've changed my stance from Neutral to against these boxes and any other sh*t like it..

Cloned modems, Free tv

£37 a month for my BB.. and these guys dont pay for zilch

I mean Sky tv with HD packs etc. alone is around 52.00 a month due to go up to 72.00 or so when i get sky broadband to replace VM

Is it just Virgin you can get these modems for.. If so yet another brilliant Flaw in VM's appauling system!

I apoligize for my original stance of not caring about these boxes and whatnot but when there actually stealing the internet to go with it.. thats just insulting

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You can get sky hd for £23 a month and a free hd box.

Yes only on virgin can these modems be cloned.

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Ours comes up to about the 50 mark inc all the packs etc.

Soon to be Sky BB too for only an extra 15 quid pm

So they gain free internet Next someone is gonna say they dont get throttled with speed either :mad:

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Now !!! it will be... :)

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I think we're putting too much faith in our Northern friends abilities to crack something that has so far remained intact.

Typical freetard bluster if you ask me.

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Part of me would like to think that the UK has such talented programmers that they can crack Nagra3 (if that even is what the new system is) in days when it isn't even fully rolled out when the best that Canada/Germany/USA/Spain etc. haven't been able to crack it.

Somehow I doubt it which leaves the options of:

• VM are using a different system which is easier to crack
• The people who claim to have cracked it are talking out their bottoms

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Thing is Derek you can never say never. Look at how long its took VM to get to a point where they are ready to roll it out. Look at how much time the boxes have been available? pretty much all the time since the old analogue boxes were actually chipped

Ive seen advanced systems where a certain box is hooked up and connected remotely to a system where a pier who has a powered dish and actually subscribes to loads of different satellite services and then somehow allows the 3rd party boxes to access the content ( admittedly the guy got caught)

Even if it takes 2 or 3 more years to crack it how many more years will it take before VM can beat them again?

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VM aren't using plain Nagra 3, they have financial guarantees from Kudelski on the strength of the conditional access system that has been made for them and it remains a fact that no-one has been able to crack even plain Nagra 3.

It would be interesting to see how people in Middlesbrough who don't even have the signals being transmitted to them managed to compromise the CA, and more to the point how they managed to do in a matter of weeks what the rest of the world hasn't been able to do in over 2 years.

I do love reading those boards, where they use various insulting names to describe the cable company. The least they could do is be polite as they steal service.

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I find there site interesting to read on a low IQ sort of level :LOL:

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I find the sites lower my IQ so can't spend too long on them.

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ive got no idea on the subject but I do know saying something will never be cracked gives it an awful long lifespan in which it has to remain secure lol

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Cardsharing, it's pretty trivial to do on near enough any encryption, but it's relatively easy to track down and stop rather than having to fix encryption.

The only type of cardsharing that lasts is between very close groups of friends, you simply cannot have widespread cardsharing as you just have to let the wrong person in for it to be shut down.

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Systems don't tend to be cracked in the way some people imagine. It often involves inside help often either through blackmail or bribery. I'm pretty sure the reason why NDS hasn't fallen is due to better people management and no single person holding enough information to completely break the encryption. Maybe Kudelski have learnt from their previous mistakes in this respect.
To suggest some random person in Middlesbrough has broken this system is ludicrous to say the least, unless they have access to an electron microscope then it isn't going to come from there. Older techniques which I won't mention here don't seem to be working. If VM do switch to N3 or an enhanced version of, then I would guess that IPTV will have taken over long before that system is broken.

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Nagra 2 was cracked, in such a way that they could generate daily keys from the main keys, this was different to the old Sky days when videocrypt wasn't cracked instead some disgruntled employee decided to hand out the master keys from which the main keys and daily/user keys are generated :rolleyes:

Look at Sky's current encryption NDS, has been out for years and apart from brief security problems (as Horace mentions) it's soon been patched and is as secure today as it was when it first came out. Nagra3 looks as though it too will stand for a bit and probably in VM's case well into the IPTV era..

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I would imagine Horace is in part referring to the NDS cracking of the Canal Plus encryption - which involved a team of experts, a lot of money, and 6 months with an electron microscope reverse engineering the card a transistor at a time.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology...media.citynews

But for sure the guys on these forums can break the N3 variation that VM are using. The rest of the world are just stupid amateurs clearly having failed in 2 years to do what these guys have in a couple of months.

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??? Sorry but I always thought the card is just a simple PIC and has nothing to do with the full encryption but is normally just a carrier of the user key/details (which can be encrypted in thier own right and why the card needs changing if the main or master keys are updated) which when combined with the main key enables the decryption of the signal.. If so how can an electron microscope be used when a simple reader will do :rolleyes:

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The cards decrypt control messages which provide information the box needs to decrypt data, plus they also decrypt the individual subscriber addressable control messages.

http://video.aol.co.uk/video-detail/...ard/1526516239

The reason VM can use Nagra 1 and 3 simultaneously is that the control word will be encrypted with both schemes. It is this control word that the encryption is there to protect, strongly obfuscating / scrambling the actual digital TV signal is easy, it's protecting the control word while simultaneously ensuring that authorised users receive the up to date word every few seconds that's the tough part.

A smartcard has more than enough processing power to decrypt 8 bytes every 10 seconds or so.

The cards hold record of what the customer is authorised to use (which package they are on), and they decrypt control words appropriately to ensure that that subscriber has the access they are authorised for. Reverse engineer what the card holds, how it holds it, and what it does with it and you've just undone the encryption. This is what they will be targetting as the existing dodgy receivers already have the capability to descramble the signals once they have the appropriate keys / algorithms to decrypt the control words as they come down.

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All this talented hacking skill in a region of the world famed for hanging monkeys as french spies. who says evolution takes a long time!!!

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Your thinking of Hartlepool.

Middlesbrough are smoggies.

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did you lot know there were 1100+ successful hack attacks either accessing code or injecting malware on NASA last year? I bet they thought they were secure too lol

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NASA website != NASA.

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no it was NASA the report was in NewScientist

in fact one guy is in the news as the yanks are trying to extradite him http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...91130965502807#

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I'd bet like in most organisations 99% of those are down to NASA employees running malware that they either received in email or from a website.

Gary Mckinnon is also no hacker, he just stumbled on a load of NASA machines that had zero protection and used very basic tools to get onto them. It wasn't some huge security breach because there was no security protecting the machines, all it took was a port scan of NASA's IP range and basic windows networking tools to gain access. If they thought they were secure then they didn't have much of a clue over how their systems were setup as there was no security on them at all, workstations with public IPs and no firewalls are asking for trouble.

Actual hacks that aren't down to user stupidity are extremely rare, and rely on vulnerabilities being found that can be exploited.

You can't find a vulnerability without being able to run the code, which is why to hack a smart card you need to pull it apart layer by layer and examine it with an electron microscope to reverse engineer what the card does and extract the data.

N3 is not going to be hacked by some random people without access to some very sophisticated equipment.

That's not to say it can't be hacked, it probably can be, the more complex something is the more chance it can be hacked, but will it be done by some bloke from Middlesbrough who posts on a forum about stealing cable? Not a chance in hell.

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but can you tell me it will never be hacked?

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It probably will be hacked eventually, just not at the moment..

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I hope they do. I HATE people illegally using VMs services with a passion, especially when genuine customers pay so much!

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and by then everyone will probably be on VM's IPTV network ;)

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What's iptv?

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Internet Protocol Television. More or less like wot drives the iPlayer on your PC.

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pretty much on demand vod for all

http://www.cisco.com/en/US/netsol/ns..._category.html

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Im assuming IPTV is video on demand all the time via what device ? a computer ?

Its basically watching anything you want whenever it becomes available?

If not then anyone sum IPTV up in English :angel:

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TV channels over internet.

You wanted it simple, that's as simple as it gets.

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Sorry for my Low Intelligence in the TV department lol but I'm assuming it's Similar to the sky player ? Except what your watching is streaming the same time on normal tv?

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More similar to the BT Vision.. ;)

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IPTV is not as simple as "TV channels over the internet".

IPTV is a closed system, like the current cable network, but where the traffic is encapsulated into IP streams and routed over IP based devices. This makes it easy to take advantage of multicast rather than broadcast traffic to implement SDV, but it's still running over a closed private network. You can't plug an IPTV STB into any internet connection and have it work, nor can you receive the services on other IP based devices like a PC, you still need to be connected to the providers network.

AT&T's U-Verse service is probably the best example of IPTV around as it offers nearly 400 SD, and over 100 HD channels, all over VDSL.

"TV over the internet" such as Sky player, is Internet TV, an entirely different thing.

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Not completely, but for the uninitiated, it is.

AKA TV channels over the internet. Better to elaborate that it uses an internet or network connection (cable or DSL) to get the channels, not like a normal cable box in that sense.

That's like catch-up TV with some live streams thrown in. ;)

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No, it's really not TV channels over the internet by any stretch of the imagination.

The broadcasts do not touch the internet at all, it's all routed across their internal network only on segregated bandwidth.

Saying it's TV channels over the internet is like saying streaming from one pc on your home network to another pc on your home network is streaming over the internet. In neither case is the internet involved, it's all internal network traffic. That the same connection gives you your internet connection is irrelevant.

A lot of people are under the impression that IPTV will mean you can use any internet connection to get the channels, you can't. You have to be connected directly to the providers network as they are NOT sent over the internet.

Internet TV = TV sent over the internet, IPTV = a walled garden where TV is transmitted across an IP network.

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So in simple terms as the person wanted.

its TV over an intranet ;)

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See IPTV for a description where it states:-

So it uses the Internet Protocol (IP) but, in VM's case, not over the public network.

I would be interested to know though, if it is going to be on a seperate stream from the broadband traffic coming down the same co-ax cable.

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That's going to be a given, they can't give separate TV and phone packages otherwise. ;)

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You've underlined a lot of nice words, but missed out the a couple of important ones, that being:

Not the actual internet, but the access networks to those.

Read further down the same page for a complete definition:

The key point in the ITU definition is that the network has to be managed, that means owned by the IPTV provider. You'll struggle to find anyone in the industry refer to IPTV to mean anything but using a privately owned IP network to deliver TV services, anything that touches the internet is referred to as Internet TV.

Yes.
Even in the VDSL systems the bandwidth is entirely segregated from the actual internet traffic.

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Corrrrrrrr.....I remember 'doing' this tv over DSL, (as it was at the time...even thought DSL was carrying IP), back in the late 90's. 3DSL I seem to recall it was named....twas a triple play offering basically. Was good as well. Hull took our, (when I say 'our' I mean the company I worked for at the time), solution as I recall. Something about Hull and telecoms, (cant remember or be bothered to look up), but the telecom provider up that neck of the woods doesnt have to conform to national regulations in some way or other?

Was proper VoD, (delivered over DSL), but was pretty much telly via IP. Clever stuff at the time. Lost touch with it all now mind.

Going back to the original topic, reckon that N3, (or what people call N3 even though there aint any such thing really), will happen, but will take a while to fully roll out. I've got to admit that I think this may cost Virgin in the long run. Reason behind this thinking is that they will be rolling out IP TV in the not too distant future, which would kill any 'dodgy' boxes. Why not let people who pinch the telly stay on the network, (theyve been there for crikey knows how many years now...one more wont make much difference), and realise some sort of income, then 'bedazzle' them with the IP TV service? Reckon what will happen is that a lot of people will move over to Sky when they lose their telly and stay there?

Just my opinion like, could be totally and utterly wrong, (and not for the first time either).

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It could also be that maybe this card change is required for the IPTV to be implemented :shrug: all we can do is speculate until more info or something happening appears

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Hmmm.....good point. But, (and I'm speaking with the benefit of a bottle of decent red inside me here.....anythings better than the X bloody factor and Celeb insect munching), IPTV, in my humble opinion would require a new 'box'. IPTV is totally different tech to how your current t.v. piccie is delivered, (or at least it used to be)? I know a bloke who knows everything there is to know about IP TV, (even if he does work for a competitor of Cisco, he does know his *****), and will ask him. Sure that a card change cant 'IP enable' the current set top boxes, (he says ready to be shot down)?

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I'm not sure what the 'phone has to do with it. That comes down the twisted pair copper wires attached to the side of the co-ax to form the siamese twin cable as it's known. I'd have thought that the bandwidth for broadband and IPTV could be shared on the co-ax rather than using distinct frequencies for each IP stream but it is probably not likely given that one will be handled by the cable modem/router and the other by the STB.

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I didn't intentionally underline anything, they were links in the original text when I copied and pasted it. No emphasis intended. I was just trying to make the distinction between 'the internet', as most people understand it, and 'an internet protocol network' regardless of it's open or closed status or LAN, PAN, WAN etc. nature.

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:rolleyes: Kingston-Upon-Hull is an autonomous republic enclave within the UK. I'm not even sure it's part of the EU. :rolleyes:

Excusing any inaccuracies, AFIK, BT developed ADSL in the 80s/90s at their Ipswich research centre purely for VoD. Public access to the internet was relatively new then and nobody saw a need for broadband given that dial-up modem speeds were rapidly reaching 9600 baud and beyond. ;) Unfortunately for them, before deregulation, BT's licence did not allow them to compete in the TV or VoD markets and so the technology was shelved until the need for broadband eventually became a reallity.

My question is won't conditional access controls still be needed for IPTV? There will still have to be something that decides what the viewer is entitled to watch.

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Depends if Virgin deploy any conditional access for the IPTV they watch. The advantage is that you can give a certain line from the headend a certain range of "channels" to view, but cheats will always get around it one way or another.

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Huh?

Scenarios ...

So I have a cable running up to my house but I don't have a VM subscription. I should get nothing, not even the terrestrial five basic 'public service' channels.
I have a basic VM package which anyone with a VM subscription is entitled to view. This should be available to anyone with a suitable STB.
I have a better package (e.g. XL) and possibly some additional packages (e.g. sports, movies). The network needs to control what my STB is allowed to show.

How's it going to work under IPTV? Will there be subscription cards in the box? Will it be controlled from the 'server' end rather than the 'client'? Is it more complicated if I have more than one STB on the same cable?

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You'll still have a smartcard in the STB.

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I can (kind of) confirm my speculations about the card change being required from IPTV. Info taken from Help & Info on my STB.

This suggests my speculations are true to me.

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That 'help and info' answer is vague to say the least.

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Some guy on his Twitter has said he's using a chipped box, doubt anything can be done about it right??

"Smokin G-13, originally grown by the CIA. 1 of my favourite strains. Sippin rose. Watchin "Hitman" on a chipped up Virgin box. Life is good."

http://twitter.com/UpNorthMillz

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He won't be watching it much longer lol

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but he will still be smoking his G-13 so he most likely wont care to much lol

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Looks like smart card change may move to Derby soon. Got home to find box set to 999, which suggests it has had a software update

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Interesting thread. So basically Nagra 3 rollout involves new smart cards which will stop cable pirates in their tracks? I don't understand how pirates get hold of their dodgey STBs. Is it usually originally down to a breach internally with Virgin employees selling STBs? Or on the black market are there STBs that mimic a virgin box? Also, how many pirates are out there? Are we talking say 100,000 in the UK?

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Wow. I'm shocked. I just did some googling and came accross "another forum" shall we say. It's like the people there think that Virgin (they refer to them as "Vermin") owe them something for nothing. It absolutely fills me with rage. They talk in " txt spk innit m8 " and there is a guy on there that was/is actually contemplating moving from Leeds to Manchester in an attempt to keep recieiving "free tv". Another person on there back in December complained publically that he had just bought LCD flat screens for his kids (one each) for Xmas and that they wouldn't be happy.
Absolute **** on there. Why should we all pay for services they receive free? Does this really spell the end for them and when will the whole country be on the new cards as I have not got a letter about it yet at all.

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It's down to two things:

1) Dodgy boxes. These don't necessarily come from VM employees (although some do). They sometimes come customers who, having had the service legitimately, stop it for some reason. They *should* send the box back, but VM can be a little lax in enforcing this, so a lot of boxes end up on ebay.

2) There are boxes out there that are designed to emulate virgin boxes. We do not allow discussion of specifics about these boxes (such as where/how to get them).

I don't know how many people pirate digital TV. but I do know that it is enought that it caused On Digital to think their PPV football service was far more profitable than it actually was, and caused them to bid far more than they could afford for the premiership footy rights, which ultimately caused them to fold.
I think I know the forum you are referring to. It's not a nice place.

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Come April they'll be screwed mate. The new Nagra 3 has been around years and years and no-one has managed to crack it. They won't have the choice come april to pay for it or be happy with Freeview pmsl!:D F'ing freeloaders can't wait for them to get their commupence. I was at college the other night and we was talking and it came up in conversation that one of the guys brothers had recently bought one and it had gone down and they could no longer get channels, another three people openly admitted that they also haqve chipped boxes! I couldn't believe it. If 4 people in one class have chipped boxes it mnakes you wonder how readily available they are.

I had a vm tech round a couple of years back and he offered me a chipped modem and a box i said no thanks i don't fancy getting facing a jail term if i get caught! I also know they are available in Wolverhampton market!

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I ditched the TV side for a simple reason - I don't actually watch the TV, there's nothing on there I can't get from other sources and too much stuff I don't want to watch.

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Chipped modems as well!? :shocked: Erm...do people get free internet as well then somehow? What about phone lines?

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The mighty N3 removes all known thieving *******s that other encryptions missed :LOL:

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Nothing is unhackable, all it means is that no-one has so far achieved it, at least, not within the public domain. One thing is for sure though, now that it's rolling out more there will be more people trying.

As far as I can see the UK TV channels have achieved a different method of preventing channel hacking. They show very little worth watching.

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You think it was a cunning plan? ;)

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I'm afraid so i wish i had got his tech identification number as he said he has a shed full of them!

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It will take further years for them to manage it if they actually do manage it. There's plenty of other things that have never been hacked. Not everything is hackable. People in Europe have been trying for years to hack it but have been unable to. I imagine by the time they manage it virgin will have increased it subscription base and got some much needed extra revenue from those who had pirate boxes before the switchover.

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Got my new cards Tuesday here in Derby so i presume the switch over will happen soon for Derby Area

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Yep... not long now for all those cable theives :D

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Well if Virgin Media were more carefull with their equipment piracy might not be an issue. I have an ntl box and modem in my loft for over 5 years now and no doubt i will have this V+ box,V Box and cable modem for years as well. Contract ended 21st of january and they have made no effort to retrieve the equipment.

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I agree, VM have their own part to play in the mass piracy in cable , not collecting old equipment and even worse, not disconnecting people from the taps in the cabinet, of course, some determined people may break into the cabinet and reconnect but most won't and it just leaves a live feed asking for non-subbed equipment to be connected.

The points on the age of Nagra 3 made aren't really valid, N3 has only be comprehensively used in the US for just over a year, the US is far more important in this respect than Europe since it's been the source of most of the old Nagra hacks, probably because that market offers the biggest financial return which is important if you're going to invest a few million in breaking an encryption system. European providers have been using it for a similar time period simulcrypted with other open versions or encryption systems.
It often takes 3-5 years of installation before any real progress is made but by all accounts N3 is so dynamic that it may take much longer this time around and by that time card based encryption systems may be deprecated.

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And also it will probably be easier for them to make future encryption changes once we are all on the same network

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Again I ask when is the smart carding supposed to be finished? :erm:

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I'd like to know that too, not had mine here in South Wales.

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I don't think VM will give out that information for security reasons.

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Why is that a security issue?

Telling punters when the planned roll out of the new cards is due to be completed hardly constitutes a security issue. I think its rather the case they probably don't have a firm date in mind when they hope to complete it.

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Fairy snuff but it is inconvenient for the ordinary punter..especially as we don't know where we are in the timetable and what happens if we get forgotten and don't get a smart card.How will we know if we have been forgotten? ;)

Unlikely I know but not impossible or unheard of...;)

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As far as I know, messages appear on your stb telling you to insert new smart card before the actual full switch over. So if you haven't received your new card by then a quick call to cs will resolve the situation.

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Thank you.:)

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I can think of a few reasons why VM don't advertise the dates for each region. Part of me hopes there is a cynic in charge of the roll out schedule who likes to read the "dodgy" forums to see "I just bought this new box from a guy in a pub, and now it's stopped working".

If I were in charge of the roll out, I'd keep the schedule quiet for that reason anyway.

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They say there is no honour amongst thieves, Has anyone seen the increase in the sale of 3rd party boxes at knock down prices on ebay. You have box traders and those that have been hit already trying to off load there kit to the gullible who have no idea that they are getting ripped off .

:LOL:

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:LOL:

Oh dear... you've got to laugh haven't you :D A doorstop is still a doorstop.. even at these knockdown prices :D

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Yes, but will I get an SA doorstop or a Samsung doorstop?

Should I go for a V+ doorstop?

It's important, you know...

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Could be a Dbox2 doorstop!!

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take it we are allowed to mention the names now they are coming to an end then?