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Well said Carol, I would imagine most people would see it that way. Whatever way you look at it its taking/accessing something you've no right to, in my book that's called theft.

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I still don't know why this thread is still going.

You can't do anything about these boxes and whinging on about people having the boxes doesn't change the situation because people will still get them no matter whats said and I bet a lot of people on here have them.

Hopefully when Virgin changes to hosting the stations on a vod style the situation will change.

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Luckily the theft act clarifies it to say:

So that is still theft as you taking it for 25 years is clearly a period equivalent to the outright taking. If you only took it for a short period that doesn't breach the others rights over it, it's not theft.

For instance, if you left your car unlocked with the keys in the ignition (so as I don't have to break into it) and I found your car and whilst you're asleep I drove your car around and then returned it (with any fuel I used replaced) that's not theft. However if I didn't return it before you woke up and needed to go to work, that is theft, even if I retuned it the same day as I breached your right to use it as you wished.

To say that they were depriving Virgin of income (which would actually be theft, the theft act specifically mentions money as a physical possesion) you'd have to beable to prove beyond all resonable doubt that if they didn't have the box they'd actually pay for the service, which is pretty much an impossibility.

Still doesn't mean that it is theft though.

In my book an elephant is called a giraffe and a giraffe is called an elemaphasinama. My book is wrong, as is yours.

There are specific laws made to cover unauthorised reception of broadcasts precisely because it's not theft, if it was they'd just charge you with that as it has a far greater sentence.

If a card is a spade there is no point trying to claim it's a club because no matter how much you think it is and how many times you say it is it's still a spade and you're just wrong.

You may think it doesn't really matter and if you think it's theft then it's allright to call it theft and anyone that does it a thief, but there's another legal word for that, libel.

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Credit where it's due. Good answer! :)

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So, are all modded boxes up and running despite the recent key-changing or something by VM?

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The thread is still going as it's a point of interest to quite a few people...

Why would a VOD style system work, unless you scrap scheduled systems, but then everyone would have gone that way including sky....

What is needed is for VM to get off thier fat backsides, open up thier wallets and actually change thier encryption system to those proven to be secure.

NDS/Videogaurd and also now Nagra 3 are proven as such with the only people getting past the systems are those who are card sharing (where the initial account holder is put at risk)

What does suprise me especially as cable unlike broadcast sat is a two way system is that they havn't put in a authentication loop back to the central servers ID'ing the box/account/location. Surely a simple cross reference would then inhibit all duplicate boxes or ones not on thier system. Computer games have used this method for years and although people can copy the games they can't play online with them and duplicates keys are soon invalidated on the system.

Kymmy

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A VOD style system would work because it's possible to do linear on demand channels. Only the current channel you're watching then gets sent to your box rather than all of them, and when you change channel a signal gets sent to the headend to send you the different channels stream.

That way 3rd party boxes wouldn't work as they have the upstream blocked, if they talkback they get detected, and if they don't they can't request a channel to watch. VM then wouldn't even need to encrypt the channels as it's a multicast system rather than broadcast and if the channel isn't on your package then you wont beable to request it anyway.

Any system like this fails to work whilst you're still sending all the channels down the cable anyway. You'd need an authentication system that only sent the channels when your box had authenticated, at which point you may as well be switching to the VOD model anyway as it offers huge bandwidth savings as unwatched channels don't take up any bandwidth.

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@Kimmy:- TheDon pretty much answered why a VOD style system would be better.

The only ones that are still affected are those who haven't upgraded because a lot of sites have been shut down and the keys are harder to find now :) but most people upgraded the firmware on the boxes to adapt to the key changes....Virgin basically left clues in the coding as to what was coming next and the hackers basically developed from there....it's quite interesting to read about.

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Yep Hyroky but this does beg the question that you'd need a real-time distribution server, although less bandwidth it does mean more control servers, more to go wrong and probably hard to achieve with current levels. Just look at the Phorm system the only reason as to why BT and other ISP's havn;t implemented it yet is purely the amount of resources taken up ny the system, surely VOD would be doing exactly the same thing but with video instead of simple images...

I think though something to agree on is that until VM and other broadcasters do something about thier systems then some people will illegally recieve or sell illegal recieving equipment.

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But Kimmy I thought Virgin were pushing towards the direction of making the whole network VOD style.....or did I read that wrong?

Either way they are making a step in the right direction by changing the keys and looking into new encryption to improve the network and to stop illegal boxes and that can only be a good thing :)

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No idea, perhaps someone TheDon or someone else can point us in the direction of more info... I for one didn't really think about the VOD option at first and yes it would work as long as VM think it out properly and not thier usual half hearted measure.

Knowing VM if they do go VOD then the saved bandwidth will be farmed out to thier BB sections and pushed to the limits. If they do then the VOD service will suffer and if the VOD system goes down then it'll impact on more people than todays compartmentalised system going down.

So is there any data/docs out there??

Kymmy

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Kymmy has raised a good point..

Virgin will gain from a reduced number of chipped boxes (increased subscriptions assuming people do pay for the service). However, we will only benefit if VM decide to invest this extra money in their service, rather than pay it out in dividends.

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This video is a good introduction to what the benefits are, and here is a fair bit of information about it.

There is alot of technology out now that lets them do this quite easily, and it's all headend based they don't have to touch the last mile network at all.

As for them pushing all the bandwidth onto broadband, the end of the video talks about the new applications that will come from it, and one of the main ones is QAM sharing, which means that QAM's can be shared between switched video, vod, and data, so you could have a range of QAM's for each, and then some shared ones for overflow capacity which would be used by the service which had a higher bandwidth requirement at the time. You could probably also QOS the shared QAMs so switched video would take priority over vod which would take priority over data.

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The IPTV plan is probably what you are thinnking about.

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Yes that's what I was thinking about, thank you :)

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right on the tp it says ads by google chipped box ?

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Probably because google adverts pick up from words in the forum i.e. chipped in this topic title?

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No but if i lived next door or a few doors away to that person stealing services from vm, they would be in effect depriving me as they are reducing the bandwidth available to me which would/might deprive me from receiving my full service. which in my book is theft :D
gone into hiding now!!!;)

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No they aren't. :p:

All the channels are sent down the cable regardless. The same bandwidth is used regardless of if there is a chipped box there or not.

If it was a cloned modem it'd depend on if the courts saw bandwidth as property, but as dishonestly using electricity is it's own seperate crime within the act, and you could claim a cable providing bandwidth is similar to one providing electricity, I doubt they'd see bandwidth as being covered (especially as that's also covered by other acts of law, so assumably it isn't by the theft act).

You'll have to try harder ;)

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Ive just discovered a well hidden white cable coming out of my brownbox, under some broken tiles on my path, through the fence and bolted onto their wall and going into their living room wall... are they thieving cable TV through my wire or what!? :|

They do have their own brown box but its looks like its been smashed up a little bit, but its essentially coming from MY brownbox! (every house has its own connection in my street(

I've already phoned virgin and they are investigating, but would like some oppinions here.

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If it was my drop box with a cable going next door I'd get out the bolt cutters.:)

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There is a chance that it could be legit, it's not unheard of for VM to run a cable from the box next door, but it's always done with the permission of the next door neighbour. I would say it's far more likely to be them illegally obtaining cable though, especially as the wire is white. I've never seen VM use anything but black wire for external wiring and white for internal.

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Seconded, Followed by a call to the police.

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Thanks, i thought as much, the cheeky chav @£*&%!!!

Not with my permission at all, i thought it looked a bit suspicious because of the white wire, since all the rest are black and the fact it looks shoddy. The woman next door is a benefit fraud and her kids are in and out of prison so it wouldnt suprise me if they were robbing cable, especially from my box!

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I'd then wire the end upto my 30kv psu that I use for powder coating ;) but I can be a nasty cow at times :p:

Kymmy

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lol ;) evil.

Well i wouldnt like to call the police, id rather not sh*t on my own lawn if you get what i mean ;) but id just like virgin to find the wire intact, disconnect them and then they can go as far as they want with regards to further investigation, and if it re-appears, then i'll just cut the wire next time.

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Oh I'd surely plug the wire back in after the 30kv....mainly as the neighbours bigger than I am and also Virgin's gotta have some evidence to prosecute with ;)

Kymm

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Switched video is nothing new, and I know ntl looked at it a few years ago, but rejected it.
Theres no need for Virgin to go totally VOD. Once analogue is gone theres more bandwidth. Virgin want to do VOD for more HD as they can't get real time feeds of Sky's channels without paying for 1.5Gb/s fibre feeds for each channel to feed into one of the central headends. Virgin's ex telewest CTO made the big booboo when he stuck with Telewests choice of MPEG2 for their HD. It was a bad decision, one they will have to pay for with a lack of HD bandwidth until they do bring an appropriate stb out using the current appropriate encoding/decoding technology (a CTO should have been able to see that).
VOD is Virgins substitute for HD, at the moment.


A few years ago, the chiefy cheese of ITV said HD was a fad, and wouldn't take off. Hence ITV did not produce any HD content. They currently have zero HD archived material. The current chiefy cheese has acknowledged HD as here to stay and has decided ITV will have a HD channel - however they have no content, so can't launch a fulltime channel hence part time red button linking.
I wonder if Virgin are talking to ITV however as they could easily take ITV HD as its not encrypted.

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naa!! i hid after my first thought and i can't run that fast these days i better leave it :D

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Semantics seem to be abounding.

Aren't we talking/posting about people taking services that should be paid for, but aren't.

Call it theft, stealing, or Henry the near-sighted Albino Alpaca, it's all about someone taking something without payment for that something.

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i live in an analogue area, would i still be able receive any features of VM?

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As you have been asking me in PM and i will tell you the same thing here. The theft of services from Sky or Virgin is something i and other's here do not condone. This forum will NOT allow the discussion of ways to circumnavigate the encryption systems employed by ether company. Hope that answers your question here and in the number of pm's you sent me.

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Spot on. :tu:

If you continue/start to receive problematic PMs please let one of the Team know ;)

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hi guys, do any of you know any1 in the cardiff area that sorts out your connection for a chipped vm box? i've heard there are a few out there, and was just wondering how much they charge and what they need to do. any help would be great, thanks.

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Take your chipped box down to VM and let them sort it for you. Just incase you don't understand , This forum does not support the Theft of Cable services by thieves.

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I have a very radical idea you could try...its called paying for your services like the vast majority of people do.

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OK guys, I think he probably gets the point.

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vm has screwed me for nearly £400 for services i never recieved and they also charged me for my vm box, which by the way i asked them to pick up but did not. i sent it via royal mail, only to have it returned 3 days later. 2 weeks after that, had a bill for £125 for same box. i feel i'm owed something from them

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and thank you russ b for givin me a break

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There are legal ways to get redress against Virgin for the losses you claim to have suffered, stealing their service isn't one of them. As you've been told, you'll get no help with that here.

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As Rob says there are ways to deal with VM when this sort of things happen, and stealing services is not one of them. If you want to make an official complaint to VM about the way you've been treated we can put you in touch with someone high up in the company who deals with high level complaints. Send me a PM if you want us to pass you on to them.

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thank you for the info rob, i have looked into getting my cash back, but would cost me more to take them to court. i apologise if i have offended any1 here.

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You don't have to take them to court.

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i have tried everything else. what can i do?

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hah. I hadn't even been following this thread. think I will now :erm:

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we know people who can quite possibly help.. maybe that's a start.


/me gets back to his project :)

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I was going to make a topic about this but I didn’t feel the need when we have this one so I was wondering if someone could answer my question.

I went out today and when I returned I found a white cable coming from the brown box on the wall (which is new today) and it goes along the bottom of the house (loosely tucked behind the paving slabs) through the hedge and into the neighbours house.

Now I know they have one of these micky mouse boxes as they were heard bragging about it in the pub so I was just wondering if I cut this connecting wire could I possibly get an electric shock from it?

If so is there a safe way of disconnecting the wire and cutting it?

Thanks

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The wire wouldn't normally carry high voltage power. But if it's simply cut you risk a short circuit on the wiring which would then affect the signal.

Has this wiring been done by a Virgin Media Installer? If so you should be complaining to Virgin Media as you haven't granted an easement (legal right) for routing of a service to a neighbouring property via yours.

If it's not been done by Virgin Media then you want to be getting it properly removed, a.s.a.p. It may well be possible to simply unplug the cable from within the brown box.

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I know it's not a VM install as the last time they had cable in they ran up a large debt and are not allowed to get it back in.

Would it be connected by some kind of splitter inside of the brown box?

Thanks for your quick reply

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I'd be tempted to get the police involved, I hate people like this, it's bad enough they do it but to be bragging about it down the pub is just an added slap in the face. Give 'em hell mate :tu:

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Perfectly said Daddy, cocky people like this deserve all the grief they get. I suggest putting a pair of rubber gloves on before getting the bolt-cutters out, also for extra effect do it early evening when the thieves are settling down for an evenings free viewing.:)
Mind you though mate, Daddys idea of calling in the police sounds equally appealing, either way don't let them get away with it.

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There's no voltage on it. Push a small needle through the cable so it touches the inner core and the braid, Then cut of the excess from the needle with a pair of snips, They will be scratching there heads as to why its not working and will not be able to see why :)

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Remind me never to annoy you :)

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I used it in the past to annoy a radio ham that would not fix his rig. :LOL:

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That may well do the trick but would probably cause awful signal problems for you and maybe your neighbours, so I'd go down the reporting to VM/Police route.

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I would not worry too much about getting the cops in to be honest. Cutting the cable should be enough

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If you short out the cable then you could blow the card in the box and your modem (it's like transmitting a radio with a shorted out antenna, your outputs soon overheat (so it was you Sirius who is to blame...I'll get you back ;))

Just open up the box and you'll see a solid block with 3 or 4 F sockets on it, with one of them taken up by the cable going to your house (an F socket is the same style socket as on your modem and the back of your STB that the cable plugs into) The offending cable will be plugged into one of the other sockets. Just untwist it and then if you want to just get some araldite and put a bit in each spare socket, it won't do any harm and if you need to expand your own cable in the future the VM installer will have lots of these spare.

Though this will not stop them buying a new splitter and replacing the block... You could also get a small padlock as the new grey boxes are lockable if you have one of them.

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Just make sure you cut the right one! ;)

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Though as you have no actual proof VM didnt do it...you cannot touch it, its not yours and VM will charge you if u end up breaking something...

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They have no right of way on his land though so it's up to him what he does with it surely?

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VM would have told him about it if they had done it.

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Also when has VM ever used white wire from the outside box?? Only ever seen Black myself... (I might be wrong though but I'm sure someone will confirm or not)

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Well you'd hope so wouldn't you, besides he has already said he heard them bragging about it

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No they wouldnt...techs will sometimes use the connection from the neighbours without telling them...

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Well best thing to do is ring VM up and they can confirm.

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They wouldnt be able to confirm, a tech isnt going to admit to messing up...

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He doesn't have to, they can check their records on who done the job (if there ever was a job, and it's not the neighbours who have done it themselves)

Back to the main point, just ring VM up and tell them your situation.

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I believe the white stuff is meant for indoor use only as it isn't "weather proof" it is probably just a cheaper grade of cable.

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Well I thought I better let you guys know what happened I got in contact with a friend of my uncles who used to work for Telewest and he disconnected the wire from the brown box and checked my connection before cutting the wire in three separate places before posting them through my neighbours letterbox :)

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I was asked do I want black or white. Walls were white so went with that ( mind you it was in the days of cable tel)

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disconnect it from your box, then give the cable a good pull and keep pulling it! with luck you may just manage to damage his box that will teach him to steal your stuff

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iv had white at one house that iv lived in.

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not at all its the same grade infact its the same cable just white instead of black, 2bh it makes no difference. in the house where we had white cable the houses on the street are a white/cream colour, so VM just used white so that the wiring would blend in with the outside of the house & Sky have done the same with most installations in the street also ;)

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Ok... so let me get this straight.. your neigbour has wired a digibox.. by using the connection that is technically there for "you're" own home?
in other words hes put a splitter on... put ur tv back on or net back on and got himself a free virgin input coming into the house?

Im affraid id be knocking his window with the bolt cutters and telling him exactly what im going to cut with them

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The splitter is already there inside most outside boxes...

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i just had a single splitter.. i jst went to maplin and bought a double so i could have the BBI upstairs and the TV downstairs.. iv got about 80FT of cabling up my house and in my loft lol
im a bit worried as to how deep Telewest put it when it was first fitted ... it runs thru my mums garden and it worries me cause she works in it constantly and u can see it through the soil at certain parts.. and she rakes and digs and things like that.. lol

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Officially Laine the cable should have been installed at a depth of at least six inches. A few years back when I had my driveway block paved, the builders took up the tarmac to find in places it was barly an inch down and on average no more than three.
After getting in touch with VM I was told that if the builders cut through the cable and it was less than the required six inches in depth, VM were liable to fix it free of charge.

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my vm box went off yesterday am in the sunderland area any ideas on how to get it back on thanks

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yeah ..pay for it ..works every time

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Call Virgin and ask to become a customer :)

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why like you who works for virgin

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haha funny you must work for them do you your no gud

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Well, you won't get any help from this site. And no, I don't work for Virgin.

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well you have posted in a "chipped box thread" so i assume your chipped box has stopped working because the north east has just had new cards issued(nagar 3 encryption) which will stop thieves like you stealing services that the rest of us pay for

if on the other hand you have a genuine problem i suggest you phone VM of post in a new thread

and i don't work for VM and i don't think you will get any help on this forum and i would be disappointed if you did

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according to digital Kaos (can you mention them on here?)
Sunderland has now been done.

bye bye thieving *******s.

there IS NO WAY, unless you pay

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It won't be long for all the thieving *******s round my way to go bye bye either... got a new card in the post on Friday...

:clap::clap: Well done Virgin Media I just wish it had not taken so long

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glad to see you have lost your channels you thieving git

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i think he's gone back under his bridge :D

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just another smelly mackem bites the dust, pay for your tv services you theiving inbread:mad:

god i hate mackems :D

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Excellent

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Erm its also certain individuals who work at Virgin Media also ex-customers can do a disappearing act.

Its not easy to keep tabs on 4+Million customers and to see what there up to.

However,its still theft and anyone who knows anything of anyone holding stolen/drifting boxes should report it to the Virgin Media Fraud line.

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Not sure as i posted the website name on another thread and it got deleted, so are you doing something for the mods that i did not ( lol ):D

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Any news when my area is getting new cards its nearly 2months since we went to NGTV

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No way except for you becoming a legitimate customer, but nice to see NAGRA3 doing its good work.

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all those dodgy forums will be going into meltdown now ,can you imagine some of the ludicrous ideas they are comming up with to get around it :rofl::rofl::rofl:

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Been a wile since i posted. Any idea when the south west Bristol, Gloucester areas being done? A lot of thieves around here cant wait for their boxes to go off.

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We found so much pressure to purchase dodgy boxes...(which we did resist)
...everyone who knocked on our door seemed to sell them! (from VM employees to window cleaners)

However Virgin would find themselves with a much less congested network if they find a way to knock out all the dodgy internet connections - poor connection was the reason we are no longer customers!!

Come on Virgin sort out the dodgy modems next and we may come back

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And you're a thief. Pay for the things you use like everyone else.

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They are working on that too. I don't know exactly what they are doing (and if I did, I would not say what it is), but they are working on it.

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its good to see that people in my area are getting screwed for stealing cable :D

pay for it like the rest of us!

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just got my new card in NE34

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someone just posted on another forum from Newcastle, box gone, **** you virgin I'm going to sky, lol, like virgin care, he's been robbing them for years go to sky, Virgin Media and it's subscribers are better off without people like you, hope we get our cards soon and stop the people here.

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Come on VM, send your new card notifications to my set top boxes, see some more thieving people losing their free TV! haha