Re: Have you received a letter from Davenport Lyons or ACS?
 

Spot on.

Re: Have you received a letter from Davenport Lyons or ACS?
 

From there on in you could claim under the "fair use" doctrine. Personal use, not a problem. If you happen to connect a torrent up with that part in, they've (supposedly) got you there and then.

The wonderful thing about BitTorrent is it only takes one person to download it from another computer for the chain of spreading to begin. Thanks to DHT the tracker now no longer needs to keep track of who's got what because the DHT is doing that for them, and better yet it keeps it anonymous because a DHT is universal, whereas a tracker isn't. It's why The Pirate Bay withdrew their tracker. Why duplicate a job?

Re: Have you received a letter from Davenport Lyons or ACS?
 

Me has Downloaded Movies, Games hmm just about everything

1) Could Changing your Ip confuse them or not or do they go for the MAC address.. I have a rare Virgin Dynamic IP

2) When we download Films it apparently gives the Movie Downlaoded a Potential Huge loss in earning's HA! Bulls**t! they still make Hundreds of Millions from one film even if its downloaded over 200,000 times!

3) This whole Copyright Horsecrap started when the PirateBay were succesfully Prosecuted But trying to Prosecute Individuals for downloading is insane, If one guy say was fined a substantial amount or was actually sentenced to Prison time, Imagine the Outcry.

im sure there are over 30million homes in Britian with a pc and im sure at least 2/3 of them have downloaded something Illegally since owning one
Imagine 20million People all in court

Fat chance

War in the Middle East, Economy Downturn, Goverment is close to be overthrown by the BNP of all people, Pirates are back, Except they use little wooden doors and AK-47's, Iran Building More Missiles than ive been to the toilet in 19 years, President Obama is a complete fail, Gordon Brown has done less in a year than Rick waller has done in his life and Finally Lawyers claiming to have records of you downloading P0rn!

Well Who said World War 3 included Guns?

Re: Have you received a letter from Davenport Lyons or ACS?
 

Indeed!

It's amazing any of us actually get our Linux Bluray Distro Discs complete! :D

Re: Have you received a letter from Davenport Lyons or ACS?
 

Nope as VM log the exact IP for the exact date/time you have it. As the request for data is based on an exact time no matter how many times you change your IP they'll know it's you

And which myth site did that come from? If you watch a movie online then the ISP and/or newsserver is getting the money, not the production companies that get the money if you go to the cinema or buy a DVD/stream

This is nothing about that prosecution...

They don't have to go for everyone.. In the end they're making money of the few that they do log.. That's where you seem to be getting confused this isn't about the copyright issue but instead about a small group of lawyers and intelectual rights holders who have found a new way of making money from thier services/product..

[So your defence in this matter is that the goverment should do more... BUT this thread isn't about the goverment or it's proposed P2P actions ;) instead as I said in the last paragraph it's about private companies making money ;)

Re: Have you received a letter from Davenport Lyons or ACS?
 

Kymmy makes a valid point which seems to be perpetually overlooked...

If an internet user downloads a film or game or some music, or indeed any copyrighted work without paying for it and are subsequently caught out, then the phrase "if you cant do the time, do not comit the crime" applies.

However this depends on being caught "fair and square" using a reliable and irrefutable method of detection.

It is a fairly safe "bet" that such a process is not being used by either ACS or D/L.

Therefore the only conclusion we can draw is that this is indeed a business model for a money making scheme. It is time that "we" concentrated on this fact rather than constantly looking for a "loophole" way out.

ACS are NOT going to go away until either the "evidence" is discredited or the whole business model is outlawed.

In the meanwhile we should all collectively ensure that those wrongly accused are able to find impartial advice and guidance on replying to ACS as well as contacting their MP, MEP, the SRA and the media.

Re: Have you received a letter from Davenport Lyons or ACS?
 

I was just sent this, they have a point!

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...009/12/115.jpg

Re: Have you received a letter from Davenport Lyons or ACS?
 

And MTV is supported by sponsorship and they still have to pay live show rights to the sound producers... So it's point being is??? :rolleyes:

Re: Have you received a letter from Davenport Lyons or ACS?
 

No matter what excuses people come up with, the fact of the matter is, when you download that game, album, movie etc etc, you take a risk, you know you shouldnt be doing it and accept the consequences when you get rumbled.

Plus you take precautions to minimise that risk, for instance SSL Usenet access, or PRIVATE Bit Torrent trackers.

No point crying about it when you get caught, you just have to deal with it.

If you cant do the time, dont do the crime as they say.

PS Yes I have some goodies on my PCs and if I got caught, I would gladly pay the price. (well perhaps not gladly lol, but I would accept it)

Re: Have you received a letter from Davenport Lyons or ACS?
 

Yes and no, dealing with a proper case of prosecution is fine, one where the evidence supports 100% the action... but that's not the case here, it's the fact that they don;t care if the person they send the letter to is innocent, they just want thier slice of the money and they don't care if a few innocent people who might be petrified by this action get caught up in the middle...

This practice should be banned..

Re: Have you received a letter from Davenport Lyons or ACS?
 

MTV CRIBS! The clue is in the picture! :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

Re: Have you received a letter from Davenport Lyons or ACS?
 

as i don't watch mtv (much prefer the euro stuff on other sats)

Re: Have you received a letter from Davenport Lyons or ACS?
 

.......or discredited, no other option that I can see.

The trouble is that after nearly 3 years, neither option is any closer to reality

Re: Have you received a letter from Davenport Lyons or ACS?
 

MTV Cribs is a programme which shows the (usually) massive and extravagant homes of singers and other celebrities. I think the point he's trying to make is "they can afford it, they make enough money not to miss me downloading their album/film for free".

Re: Have you received a letter from Davenport Lyons or ACS?
 

Ahhh..thank you Russ... (Ask Kym to give you a kiss+hugs from me please)


I wonder though how many films, tracks, games would be made if there wasn't big money in it? Not as if a film is that dear?? Costs a few hundred million to make and you get it either on a really big screen for £5-8 or on a DVD for £10-20... The same with music, what's it equate to these days £1 a track..which you'll play over and over again.. The artist might make a load of each track but if everyone was to say well he can afford it if I don't pay then soon they'd be no tracks to buy (or download)

Anyway back on topic...

Yep, though would rather see it banned and that way action can be taken against anyone trying it, if discredited then you'll always get people trying it and they'll always be people scared or confused enough to pay :(

Re: Have you received a letter from Davenport Lyons or ACS?
 

Agreed - I wish every poster on this epic thread was as insightful as yourself!!!!

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Re: Have you received a letter from Davenport Lyons or ACS?
 

Do you download copyright material on P2P? Is your P2P client as standard (i.e it shares out/Seeds the sections it downloads)

If you answer YES to both of them questions then you do illegally file share..

Re: Have you received a letter from Davenport Lyons or ACS?
 

As I don`t understand what P2P ( peer to peer ?) really is and as far as I know I don`t down load any copyrighted material . I guess you have answered my question. I was concerned I might have done it without knowing. I take it that something would need to "set up". Sorry to be so stupid.

Re: Have you received a letter from Davenport Lyons or ACS?
 

Do you use any software associated with TORRENTS like emule, bittorrent, limewire..etc..???

Re: Have you received a letter from Davenport Lyons or ACS?
 

Yes, in order to share copyrighted media files from your computer over a peer-ro-peer network, you would have to install software that would enable you to do it, then set up that software to make it happen. It's not something you can find yourself doing by accident.

Re: Have you received a letter from Davenport Lyons or ACS?
 

Thank you, that answers my question, & no I haven`t installed any of this type of software.
My motto has always been just because you are paranoid its doesn`t mean they are not after you. Always I fear the worst. Speed camera flashes - I sure am not the one but still I dread the post for 3 to 4 weeks just in case. I ve even noted a number plate that I think set it off next to me!!!

Re: Have you received a letter from Davenport Lyons or ACS?
 

Presumably you find the low wages of the studio hands and session musicians irrelevant in all of this. Creative arts aren't all about the few big stars at the top of the tree.

Re: Have you received a letter from Davenport Lyons or ACS?
 

Hi everyone,

Can I ask does these letters apply to sites like netload, rapidshare etc? or just to p2p networks.

If you are worried would it be wise to speak to your ISP and ask if they have passed your details onto a third party?

Re: Have you received a letter from Davenport Lyons or ACS?
 

Doubtful if the ISP would give details like that..

But you are right in assuming it's currently purely P2P as they are simply waiting for you to download a small section and the P2P software then offers that small section for download by others directly from your own PC (and hence your IP) and that's how they justify that you were "SHARING" the file.

For Rapidshare they could I suppose always just get a court order for the uploaders IP and then get another order for the IP details but they have yet to go this route..

Re: Have you received a letter from Davenport Lyons or ACS?
 

[/COLOR]So do they have to download all of the file that is being shared as proof or just a small portion?

Re: Have you received a letter from Davenport Lyons or ACS?
 

Just a small portion, as long as the file hash matches the original then they believe that they have a case..

May I suggest that although it is a long thread you read it all as there's some good advice in here

Re: Have you received a letter from Davenport Lyons or ACS?
 

Hi,

Can I ask that if you receive a letter what is the normal timescale between the supposed offence being and getting a letter. Essentially how far back do these people go?

Is there a limit?

Thanks

Re: Have you received a letter from Davenport Lyons or ACS?
 

No idea if there is a statute of limitations on this but you'll probably find that they're doing it in stages.. they monitor for a few months, then apply for the court order to allow them to aquire the ISP details, then they submit the requests to the ISP's and then they send out the letters..

I'd suggest that if you haven't got anything in 8-12 months then you are not gonna.. But remember that this is their 3rd/4th mailings each one is based on a different game/film/track so because you've never recieved a letter if you continue to download illegal material you might get one in the future

Re: Have you received a letter from Davenport Lyons or ACS?
 

@ smithy099 -

.........Don`t forget this is a "business" to the likes of ACS

....they will wait/delay as long as possible, so that by the time you recieve their "speculative invoice" the only tangible evidence remaining is their own:mad:

many letter recipients have even moved house by the time they recieve a claim!

...you should also be aware that if you are guilty of this type of "shopping" then only a solicitor can help. If you are innocent help is readily available for those prepared to help themselves

Re: Have you received a letter from Davenport Lyons or ACS?
 

Hi Everyone,

Can I ask is it still possible / likely that I may receive a letter if the last time I used p2p was April 08. Does it make any difference which ISP I use?

From what I've read it doesn't seem to matter if you have downloaded something or not. In some cases I've read of people being on holiday at the time of alleged incident

Thanks smith099

Re: Have you received a letter from Davenport Lyons or ACS?
 

It will really depend on the evidence that the solicitors work with, and the volume of IP requests they have to present to a court.

I would imagine that it takes time for a large ISP to trace each address they are presented with.

I seem to remember when this first kicked of some years ago, court papers filed by Davenport Lyons gave Virgin Media quite a few months to go through the request, the volume was that great. I'll have to find that link to back that up though.

Re: Have you received a letter from Davenport Lyons or ACS?
 

Thank you for the response, can I ask is it likely that if in the case of Virgin Media which were given more time to compile the information that they would have records of IP information going back 19 months or more?

Thanks smith099

Re: Have you received a letter from Davenport Lyons or ACS?
 

No idea.

Re: Have you received a letter from Davenport Lyons or ACS?
 

You should really do your research more carefully.....

you have all but admitted to nefarious activity on the net.......

I do hope Googling (just to mention one of many) your nickname does not create a yellow brick road that leads back to your front door!

Re: Have you received a letter from Davenport Lyons or ACS?
 

Admitting it all but on a PUBLIC forum. Niche gut

Re: Have you received a letter from Davenport Lyons or ACS?
 

P2P has legit uses as well you know...

;)

Re: Have you received a letter from Davenport Lyons or ACS?
 

Yus of course but.. this is in a thread about illegal activity. LOL

Re: Have you received a letter from Davenport Lyons or ACS?
 

Nobody is going to get smithy099's details from CF.

Re: Have you received a letter from Davenport Lyons or ACS?
 

Hi,

All I was saying was that I have used P2P, this thread has people on it who have done nothing wrong and still received a warning, and after reading the article on the BBC article decided to do some research

Re: Have you received a letter from Davenport Lyons or ACS?
 

Looks like they're still messing up :(

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8481790.stm

Re: Have you received a letter from Davenport Lyons or ACS?
 

BPI talking sense???

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8483482.stm

Re: Have you received a letter from Davenport Lyons or ACS?
 

Great post Kymmy. Nice to see someone having some sense for a change.

Re: Have you received a letter from Davenport Lyons or ACS?
 

I think everyone in this thread has already came up with the theory that ACS are purely sending out these letters as another form of revenue instead of sending them out to stop pirates.

Re: Have you received a letter from Davenport Lyons or ACS?
 

Too true Kymmy.

And the very fact that "The Law" allows this bunch of crooks to operate something which is nothing more than a legal "Protection Racket" effectively brings us full circle, vividly illustrating a fundamental flaw in our society which is at the very heart of why this whole media p2p thing exists in the first place.

Re: Have you received a letter from Davenport Lyons or ACS?
 

Trouble is until someone prominent gets one of these letters and decides to challenge it very publicly then it's just not going to be acknowledged by those who should be sorting out the whole business of copyright and the internet.

At present it seems that Government behaves like the 3 wise monkeys of hear and see and do nothing.

Re: Have you received a letter from Davenport Lyons or ACS?
 

And soon VM will have if they wish to use it a means to make this sort of money from equipment they are installing :(

Re: Have you received a letter from Davenport Lyons or ACS?
 

well the plot thickens.....

ACS have changed tactics again and are currently "including" a questionaire for their victims to complete! This seems to be included in their second letter and apparently is to be done within 7 days or else!

Clearly this is yet another "scare" tactic, however be aware that it`s 7 day deadline breaches Pre-Action Conduct and you should log another (seperate) complaint with the SRA.

It goes without saying not to complete said questionaire and to stick to your simple "I did not do it" response. Do not furnish them with any additional information - they will only use it against you!

...more advice over at "www.beingthreatened.com"

Re: Have you received a letter from Davenport Lyons or ACS?
 

http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology...ng-allegations

A leading law firm is being investigated over claims that it bullied and harassed hundreds of people wrongly accused of illegal filesharing.

The Solicitors Regulation Authority, an industry watchdog, said it is investigating a complaint brought against Davenport Lyons, the London-based solicitors' firm that has led a number of prosecutions against illegal filesharers.

Re: Have you received a letter from Davenport Lyons or ACS?
 

Some of the Lords have said some rather choice things about these schemes while debating the Digital Economy Bill:

http://freakbits.com/uk-lord-provide...t-schemes-0302

http://torrentfreak.com/anti-piracy-...-lords-100128/

http://torrentfreak.com/digital-econ...hasers-091208/

Re: Have you received a letter from Davenport Lyons or ACS?
 

Davenport Lyons solicitors accused over "Bully Boy" tactics

http://www.lawgazette.co.uk/news/two...-bully-tactics

Re: Have you received a letter from Davenport Lyons or ACS?
 

Excellent :)

Industry best practice? Digital Economy Bill?

Perhaps Mr Stephens should read up on the the rather negative comments made about these "pay up or else schemes" in the DEB debates in the House of Lords.

http://www.theyworkforyou.com/lords/...+lyons#g1304.0

http://www.theyworkforyou.com/lords/...-03-01a.1255.0

"Digital Economy Bill: Lords Want To Stamp Out Piracy Chasers"

"UK Lord Provides Overview of File-Sharing Threat Schemes"

"Anti-Piracy Scheme “A Scam & Legal Blackmail” Say UK Lords"


Hmm. AFAIK, the only reason they have a 100% success rate is because they only ever initiated court action against non-responders, & so always won by default...

Re: Have you received a letter from Davenport Lyons or ACS?
 

O2 have now had a go at DL:ACS

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8570913.stm

Re: Have you received a letter from Davenport Lyons or ACS?
 

It seems possible that finally the ISP`s are starting to get nervous!

.....after all they have all rolled over far too easily - Of course I am sure that this has nothing at all to do with the huge income (they all get a fee per IP address between £12 - £60 each) they have all happily "banked" is it? (course not ;) -I reckon BT have taken approx £1million alone and they are the cheapest @ approx £12 each IP address)

All of the law firms practising this business model write in advance to the ISP anouncing their intention to apply for an NPO and asking them not to oppose it. Any that oppose it are "dropped" from the application. So far only Talk Talk have done so, but maybe O2 will be the next and after that.........

Re: Have you received a letter from Davenport Lyons or ACS?
 

What on earth are you on about? ACS:Law have applied to the courts for the subscriber information.

If the ISPs refused to then provide that information they are breaking the law

Re: Have you received a letter from Davenport Lyons or ACS?
 

Errrrr - yes they have but thats not the full story....

It is a known fact (certainly with ACS) that they wrote to all the ISP`s BEFORE they applied to the court for the NPO, informing them of their intention. Further they asked would the application be "opposed". TalkTalk said that they would and were subsequently dropped from the NPO application. None of the other ISP`s have (as yet) objected.

A second fact is that the ISP`s charge/levy a fee for supplying the account holder details - this fee varies from ISP to ISP and is a fee per IP address and for example BT charge roughly £12 I am given to understand that this fee can be as high as £57!

The NPO hearings on the whole are a rubber stamping exercise as no one opposes them

All of the above info is easily verified by searching the various forums (particularly Slyk and Beingthreatened) and in particular reading the many scanned documents which handily include this information. TBI even "picked on BT" because they never oppose NPO orders (also on the scanned info available)

My post was not intended to inflame or provoke an argument but to point out that since this whole debacle started the ISP`s have been enjoying a "nice little earner" collecting their fees for complying to a court order they couldnt even be bothered opposing.

edit - try this - http://redacted.speedyb.co.uk/ - look at Page 4/9 item (ii) (thanks to www.beingthreatened.com) - and thats just one

Re: Have you received a letter from Davenport Lyons or ACS?
 

Looks like ACS don't like people talking about their way of doing things.

There's quite a few forums that they've been talked about on, but I wonder how many will get threats like this.

Re: Have you received a letter from Davenport Lyons or ACS?
 

That is hilarious :rofl:

I look forward to their legal threats being sent to us :D

btw if any ACS employees are reading this, the email address to send your laughable threats to is team @cableforum.co.uk :PP:

Re: Have you received a letter from Davenport Lyons or ACS?
 

Ha-Ha, love it

It's hard to respond to someone who knows the laws so well but Slyck deserve credit especially for citing several landmark cases.

Re: Have you received a letter from Davenport Lyons or ACS?
 

ACS:Law clearly don't understand the internets:

http://www.zeropaid.com/news/10023/d...ortion_letter/

Sending letters to Wikileaks is a pretty sure way of getting them published. They seem to be under the impression that Wikileaks is some kind of forum, and despite it not being in the UK or subject to UK law tried to use UK copyright to stop the publication of their initial letter which only served to have their second letter published too.

Give them enough rope and they will hang themselves.

Re: Have you received a letter from Davenport Lyons or ACS?
 

Look who is the latest to be sent a letter by DL! It's not about alleged copyright infringement though ;)

Re: Have you received a letter from Davenport Lyons or ACS?
 

Good news for some.

Re: Have you received a letter from Davenport Lyons or ACS?
 

And another one bites the dust :clap:

Re: Have you received a letter from Davenport Lyons or ACS?
 

Just found this..

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8619407.stm

.

Re: Have you received a letter from Davenport Lyons or ACS?
 

Nice, just what we need, another turd floating on the pond of intimidation and threats with no stand up and be counted evidence.

Re: Have you received a letter from Davenport Lyons or ACS?
 

DigiProtect is the one representing pr0n studios, IIRC.

Re: Have you received a letter from Davenport Lyons or ACS?
 

The only winners in this new digital economy bill is going to be these low life lawyers. I'm sure they are going to have a field day now.

But I'm hoping it'll have enough repercussions to see how wrong they were to push it through without enough thought behind it.

Re: Have you received a letter from Davenport Lyons or ACS?
 

ACS/Digiprotect aren't the only sneeky ones about!!!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8622665.stm

Re: Have you received a letter from Davenport Lyons or ACS?
 

First time poster, but here goes...
i recieved a letter from acs law in april accusing my wife (the internet account is in her name)of downloading a film i've never heard of asking for £500 for it all to go away. After much research via being threatened etc, i sent a letter of denial, as yet i've had no reply. However i have just recieved another letter asking for £300 for downloading a song! i assume i should send another LOD but my point is also just how many letters are we going to recieve? it seems to be one every month or so surely this wrong and my wife is very upset by all this what's the best thing to do? if any one can give advice we'd be very grateful. thanks

Re: Have you received a letter from Davenport Lyons or ACS?
 

Keep replying and denying, especially if you get letters containing different allegations. Ignoring them is the quickest way to end up in court. If you continue to flatly deny your involvement they will eventually go away.

Do not under any circumstances answer any of the additional questions they may send you. These are fishing letters designed to allow them to collect information about you and your internet habits that they cannot easily get elsewhere. They will not use any of this information to your benefit; the only reason they want it is to use it against you if possible.

Simply respond with a repeat of your denial and declined to be drawn into any deeper discussion.

Re: Have you received a letter from Davenport Lyons or ACS?
 

Thanks Chris thought that would be the case just so damned annoying!!

Re: Have you received a letter from Davenport Lyons or ACS?
 

hi again, just received a follow up letter for my first LOD now saying only got 14 days to pay or satisfy them or go to court and this is the last warning i'll get. Advice please would be great thanks

Re: Have you received a letter from Davenport Lyons or ACS?
 

Talk to one of the specilist solicitors about (their contacts have been posting in this thread)

Think though of ACS like a debt colector, they'll try again and again and again as they don't get paid until you pay..

Re: Have you received a letter from Davenport Lyons or ACS?
 

The One Show - BBC1 - RIGHT NOW!!!!!

Re: Have you received a letter from Davenport Lyons or ACS?
 

Is there a link online to the content of that show?

Re: Have you received a letter from Davenport Lyons or ACS?
 

Would have been on iPlayer then but it's August now.

Re: Have you received a letter from Davenport Lyons or ACS?
 

Well, well, well.....

http://www.which.co.uk/news/2010/08/...?src=rss156452

Re: Have you received a letter from Davenport Lyons or ACS?
 

The worm is turning....

Re: Have you received a letter from Davenport Lyons or ACS?
 

albeit very, very slowly.......

Re: Have you received a letter from Davenport Lyons or ACS?
 

This is excellent news, what we need now is an investigation in to the software they have been using to find the ip addresses. I don't think its at all accurate.

Its so nice to see the tables turned on them. Most people in the legal trade must be pretty ****ed off at these so called lawyers giving them a bad name.

Re: Have you received a letter from Davenport Lyons or ACS?
 

Hi there. First time on these boards and could really use some advice. Recently received a letter from acs law demanding payment for downloading a (x-rated) title that I had never heard of. After reading all the stories and comments, I was all set to write out a LOD. It was then that I realised that the account holder is actually my sister, and she doesn't live at this address and didn't live here on the date of the alleged offence. Will this affect the LOD?

I really don't want to go to my sister about this (especially considering the nature of the file we're accused of downloading), so I was wondering if I could send a letter under my name? Or should I send the standard LOD with my sisters signature, which kind of implies that she stays here and has access to the Internet at this address (which she doesn't)? OR do i have to get her to write a letter saying that she doesn't live here, does not use the internet here and therefore couldn't have downloaded the file? But as she's the account holder, then she is responsible for any activity done by the people who do live here so then do we need to send a second letter from myself saying that I didn't download the file either?

Man, this is confusing! I'm not sure how much sense my post made but can someone please help!! Thanks in advance!

Re: Have you received a letter from Davenport Lyons or ACS?
 

Someone will give you some advice if you stick around but a word of warning - signing someones name without their consent is fraud. Don't do it!

Re: Have you received a letter from Davenport Lyons or ACS?
 

Surely the letter itself would have been in your sisters name (the account holder)? If so then why did you open it??

If it did go to court it would also be in your sisters name..

What you need to do is to print out all the news stories about people getting wrongly accused, all the professional advice and show them to her with the ACS letter..

You might find that she'll cancel the internet ;) but at least she knows what she could be facing as in the end it's not you who would be facing the courts

Re: Have you received a letter from Davenport Lyons or ACS?
 

Re: Have you received a letter from Davenport Lyons or ACS?
 

Well i just hope and pry that these sue sue sue firms get told to sod off, However they may soon be able to get there evidence from another source and that does worry me.

Re: Have you received a letter from Davenport Lyons or ACS?
 

Thanks for your replies. lol at Acathla - i honestly wasn't thinking about that, I meant getting her to sign it!

We still need some help with the wording of the LOD. Should she tell them that she doesn't live at this address, or just write a standard LOD without giving any details about who uses the internet here? We're really not sure what to say in our response so any advice is greatly appreciated!

Re: Have you received a letter from Davenport Lyons or ACS?
 

If you read the letter carefully, it attempts to scare the account holder into accepting responsibility. It doesnt outright accuse just strongly suggests.
The letter usually includes a copy of the NPO order used to gain the account holders details. This makes the package look like they already have a CCJ against you further adding to the "scare" factor.

YOu should be aware that they do not really care wether you are guilty or not - THEY JUST WANT YOUR MONEY.

To date no one has ended up in court, but you have to play the game just in case they do.
This is achieved by sending a response (in this case using the template LOD)
The LOD (of which their are a few) basically states that the account holder was not responsible for the action and that they didnt authorise it either.

You should ensure that you understand it fully and consider personalising it.

You should NOT add any extra info - it invites them to carry on corresponding/questioning you further. Once you have responded you can sit back, relax and await their response - usually "we do not accept template responses". Please be aware the template is a perfectly valid and legal response and its his tough luck that you are now educated and wise to his scheme.

You really need to do lots more homework on this matter.... search for the excellent "beingthreatened" website and spend some time reading through all the info on there.

Wecome to the worlds longest game of letter tennis!!!!

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OOPS!!!!!!!!!!!

http://www.slyck.com/story2058_ACSLa...The_Pirate_Bay

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Indeed

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Hi can I ask what other source they will be able to get their information?

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Sorry but i am not willing to answer that question.

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Didn't mean to upset anyone. Just asking a question out of interest. I thought the only way these companies could gather their information was by joining the p2p file sharing and harvesting the lP addresses.

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Remember that your internet goes from your ISP through a number of companies backbones and eventually to it's target on another ISP/HOST.. The data can be intercepted anywhere along that route.. Perhaps even in another country

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:tu: good post

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Is this something that is happening now? It sounded like it might happen. Is it legal to intercept peoples web traffic? Can you point me in the direction of some sites that I can do more research. His this to do with the forth coming DEA or something different?

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Google is you friend.

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The problem is the questions you're asking are similar to the type of things someone involved in illegal downloading might also want to ask, especially if they wanted to try and stay "one step ahead".

I'm not saying you're up to anything illegal - maybe you are, maybe you aren't - however discussion of things which could aid someone up to no good is not permitted on CF.

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Sorry that was not my intention I was looking at it from a privacy angle. I didn't like the thought of all my web traffic being snipped on.

I've read articles on phlegm before but thought that that was just advertising rather than all your web traffic.

I'm not sure how to ask a question that relates to privacy which could not be viewed a different way.

Is there a different thread which discusses this issue from a privacy angle orr could someone pleaser give me a start with a google search.

Sorry if I have posted in the wrong thread or asked the wrong question.

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I see the leaked emails are starting to show ACS law are allegedly in it to get the most out of it and that they are worried about the legitimacy of some of the data used to accuse those that they are demanding money from. It also shows that they still targeted people with demands for money when there was doubt.

They also seem to have not targeted 2 of the biggest isps in the uk, Some have surmised this could be because the two 2 isps in question do not accept the way the evidence has been captured and feel its flawed.

There also seems to be a very big list of SKY users complete with ip address, names and mac address supplied to them in that form :shocked: which relates to downloads of a certain adult film,

BTW please do not ask me to give links to this information in the raw, Google is your friend ;)

Re: Have you received a letter from Davenport Lyons or ACS?
 

Sorry that was not my intention I was looking at it from a privacy angle. I didn't like the thought of all my web traffic being snipped on.

I've read articles on phorm before but thought that that was just advertising rather than all your web traffic.

I'm not sure how to ask a question that relates to privacy which could not be viewed a different way.

Is there a different thread which discusses this issue from a privacy angle orr could someone pleaser give me a start with a google search.

Sorry if I have posted in the wrong thread or asked the wrong question.