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Ignition 25-06-2004 00:53

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ~$t&lKer~
during a phonecall to ntl today i asked if they knew when we'd get the speed upgrade, after asking another staff member he came back with the 1stof july or the first week of july :D

*yawn*

I really wish some staff would learn the meaning of the words 'I don't know' rather than making stuff up. :dozey:

OL1V3R 25-06-2004 15:52

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Quote:

Originally Posted by JustAnotherN00b
*yawn*

I really wish some staff would learn the meaning of the words 'I don't know' rather than making stuff up. :dozey:

Dammit, go ruin the fun why dont you. :sleep:

I wish NTL will make their mind up tho, its cheesing me off. :td:

Vegeta 25-06-2004 23:05

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How much will 1.5mbit be for Cable TV and Phone paying ntl: customers? £35?

Maggy 25-06-2004 23:08

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Quote:

Originally Posted by JustAnotherN00b
*yawn*

I really wish some staff would learn the meaning of the words 'I don't know' rather than making stuff up. :dozey:

I wish everyone would just wait quietly.Like public transport it will come when it comes.

Stop It 25-06-2004 23:22

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Incognitas
I wish everyone would just wait quietly.Like public transport it will come when it comes.

The last time I checked, not many people are very patient, or quiet about public transport either :P

scoobydoo[uk] 26-06-2004 09:00

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Got a letter from NTL this morning stating that they will be contacting me in the next couple of months to arrange a date to exchange my STB.

The letter says that in order to get the new 1.5mb service a new STB is required and this is going to be exchanged free of charge :)

There's also a picture of the new box, although i cant tell what make etc it is, but its nice and shiny silver :)

Im in a ex-cable and wireless area, so it looks like the current pace STB box that I have isnt capable of the new speed increase.

CAnt wait for the new box to arrive.

Marge 26-06-2004 09:19

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Quote:

Originally Posted by scoobydoo[uk]
There's also a picture of the new box, although i cant tell what make etc it is, but its nice and shiny silver :)

Sounds like the Samsung box :tu:

BBKing 26-06-2004 09:38

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Yup - I understand there are some swap outs going on. Not that the Pace can't do 1.5Mb, the one on my desk does and believe me it's damn quick (176Kbytes/s sustained). However, I don't watch TV on it since someone nicked my TV so I can't say if it affects that, or interactive, or makes the box play Cliff Richard records or some other ghastly side-effect.

Chrysalis 26-06-2004 09:45

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BBKing you have 1.5mbit already?

IanUK 26-06-2004 09:52

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I got that letter too this morning, the only problem is I already have a shiny new Samsung box that I got when I joined earlier this year...

etccarmageddon 26-06-2004 09:55

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Vegeta
How much will 1.5mbit be for Cable TV and Phone paying ntl: customers? £35?

the same as the current 1mb price - £38

arcamalpha2004 26-06-2004 10:13

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Incognitas
I wish everyone would just wait quietly.Like public transport it will come when it comes.

All very well incognitas, but by the time it comes it will be out of date :rolleyes:

jtwn 26-06-2004 11:07

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Chrysalis
BBKing you have 1.5mbit already?

What he said ^

1408k connection??

Vegeta 26-06-2004 14:32

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Quote:

Originally Posted by etccarmageddon
the same as the current 1mb price - £38

Damn, thats expensive, maybe I'll get 2mbit ADSL...

connellyg 26-06-2004 14:48

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ~$t&lKer~
during a phonecall to ntl today i asked if they knew when we'd get the speed upgrade, after asking another staff member he came back with the 1stof july or the first week of july :D
so more like early summer than late summer (just hope he was right)

actually i was told the same information

KraGorn 26-06-2004 15:43

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Debsy42
Sounds like the Samsung box :tu:

Is there anywhere to get a spec of what connections this box has, eg. audio, SCART etc. , so I can compare what it's capable of to the one I currently use?

Cheers

Maggy 26-06-2004 15:48

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Quote:

Originally Posted by arcamalpha2004
All very well incognitas, but by the time it comes it will be out of date :rolleyes:

Well then I refer you to my post 567 then. :p:

Incog.

BBKing 26-06-2004 21:23

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Quote:

BBKing you have 1.5mbit already?
Yup. On my desk. At work. At ntl. In the lab :)

Not on the live platform, I hasten to reaffirm :)

Mal 26-06-2004 21:32

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Quote:

Originally Posted by KraGorn
Is there anywhere to get a spec of what connections this box has, eg. audio, SCART etc. , so I can compare what it's capable of to the one I currently use?

Cheers

There's some info in post #32 and through the rest of the thread.

budwieser 27-06-2004 13:51

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:) Anyone got a date for this monumetous upgrade then?

KraGorn 27-06-2004 15:27

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mal
There's some info in post #32 and through the rest of the thread.

Thanks .. the thread's somewhat long to read without a pointer to where. :tu:

Chris W 28-06-2004 10:15

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Quote:

Originally Posted by budwieser
:) Anyone got a date for this monumetous upgrade then?

:welcome:

Late summer... as it says in the thread title... that is as accurate as anyone can be at the moment.

MB

budwieser 28-06-2004 19:55

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:) Thanks MB!

Paul 28-06-2004 23:37

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Current information that I can tell you :)

Upgrades to the infrastructure are continuing for the increases - a lot of money is being spent.

Large resegmentations are being carried out to increase available bandwidth - this includes new cards that give 2 downstream & 8 upstream channels per card instead of the current 1d to 6u. (but any talk of higher upstream speeds is still just rumour ;)). These measures should help areas where there is currently congestion.

A lot of new fibre is having to be installed as well for these upgrades, which takes time.

Also, a load of new proxy (netapp caches) are going to be installed in all areas.

There is a lot more I would love to tell you, but it's still hush hush atm, so I can't reveal it.

Oh, and there is still no final date other than the current end of summer (or before if it's ready).

handyman 29-06-2004 00:30

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Quote:

Originally Posted by KraGorn
Is there anywhere to get a spec of what connections this box has, eg. audio, SCART etc. , so I can compare what it's capable of to the one I currently use?

Cheers

try this thread here http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/sh...68&postcount=1

Acathla 29-06-2004 22:30

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I just want to define the end of summer if it hasnt already been defined:

"The official end of summer is the autumnal equinox. The autumnal equinox happens on September 22 and it marks the end of summer and start of autumn."

A cool fact (but unrelated):
"On that day of the autumnal equinox the day and night are exactly the same length."

I will stick with NTL till then to see how they get on with their 'upgrades'.
plus.net unlimited 2meg service for £39-99 is tempting though :)

[I wanted a pray hands smilie but couldnt find one - makes me sad]

sav112 30-06-2004 10:42

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Acathla

I will stick with NTL till then to see how they get on with their 'upgrades'.
plus.net unlimited 2meg service for £39-99 is tempting though :)

Same here with the news today that BT is to cut the monthly charge on its high-speed broadband internet service, by up to 25%, and having both BT and NTL in the house Iâ₠¬ÃƒÆ’¢â€žÂ¢ll have to take a look again at the BT service and price.



In all honesty £12 I think is about right for the lower BB service, during the summer I was actually thinking of dropping the service as with everything the cost of the phone,TV and BB all adds up to over £30 a month and its simply not worth that, Iâ₠¬ÃƒÆ’¢â€žÂ¢d rather pay more for a new house or car than a Utility

jtwn 30-06-2004 14:12

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Yeah. Well enjoy your monthly gigabyte.

sav112 30-06-2004 17:28

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BT Broadband Basic - £19.99 a month, with 1 GB download capacity

BT Broadband - £24.99, 15GB

BT Yahoo! Broadband - £26.99, 15GB

BT Broadband 1Mb - £28.99, 30GB

BT Yahoo! Broadband 1Mb - £29.99, 30GB

or

Wanadoo 512K - £17.99 a month, with 2 GB download capacity

Tiscali Broadband X3 - £15.99





I donââ‚Âà ‚¬ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¾Ã‚¢t download a lot so yeah it could do me a treat, I do play the odd game and email and browse the net and thatââ‚ ¬Ã¢â€žÂ¢s about it, sorry I donââ‚Âà ‚¬ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¾Ã‚¢t live on the thing!!!:Yikes:




Enjoy your downloads!!!!!:p:

Earwig 30-06-2004 21:46

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Sadly I will have to stick to NTL as my BT phoneline can only accomodate a 512kb/s service.



No good to me!!!



I have never had any problems with NTL but am just itching for faster speeds.



Although I have to say that I think most people would prefer a higher upload than download??

sav112 30-06-2004 22:01

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Same here no probââ‚ ¬Ã¢â€žÂ¢s with NTL I just want better value for my money. My 128K hardly sets the grass on fire for itâ₠¬ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¾Ã‚¢s £17.99



The more competition the better, the only service I nearly changed to was Tiscali as a few of my friends are on it and getting more value for money. It looks faster but thatâ₠¬Ã¢â€žÂ¢s probably due to the numbers using it in our area at the moment.

jtwn 30-06-2004 22:18

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Quote:

Originally Posted by sav112
BT Broadband Basic - £19.99 a month, with 1 GB download capacity

BT Broadband - £24.99, 15GB

BT Yahoo! Broadband - £26.99, 15GB

BT Broadband 1Mb - £28.99, 30GB

BT Yahoo! Broadband 1Mb - £29.99, 30GB

or

Wanadoo 512K - £17.99 a month, with 2 GB download capacity

Tiscali Broadband X3 - £15.99





I donââ‚Âà ‚¬ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¾Ã‚¢t download a lot so yeah it could do me a treat, I do play the odd game and email and browse the net and thatââ‚ ¬Ã¢â€žÂ¢s about it, sorry I donââ‚Âà ‚¬ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¾Ã‚¢t live on the thing!!!:Yikes:




Enjoy your downloads!!!!!:p:

Sorry if i sounded offensive or something :)

I do think its a nice deal for people who dont download all the time, but for others its just not good enough...what do they do? Bump you down to 56k if you go over? :td:

I just think now, if im right before there wasnt all these caps and such with 'unlimited' broadband but now all these are popping up.

I for one will just download as much as i want, not worrying about some cap.

sav112 30-06-2004 23:22

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Nah no offence taken:) , I understand that some want to download, god I have a friend downloading all day and night, wither he actually uses his machine is another thing but it sits there always downloading something.





But too me

Wanadoo 512K - £17.99 a month, with 2 GB download capacity



Is great as I pay 17.99 for 128K and I only use e-mail, browse the net and play the odd game and I to be fair I donââ‚Âà ‚¬ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¾Ã‚¢t know what that uses up.



When the say download capacity does that include upstream net stuff like playing games and receiving e-mail? Or is it purely downloading?

tkiely 30-06-2004 23:24

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f2s do 1meg with 1Gb/mth for 14.99

has to suit somebody.

jtwn 01-07-2004 11:20

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Gaming uses nothing much to shout about, you arent going to go over your cap doing that.

Quote:

f2s do 1meg with 1Gb/mth for 14.99

has to suit somebody.
:Yikes: :spin:

Chrysalis 02-07-2004 15:49

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Its all right posting all these prices but to keep things balanced there is still plenty of adsl packages unmetered.

pipex 1mbit unmetered £33.99 or 2 gig limit £28.99
pipex 512kbit unmetered £23.44 or 1 gig limit £19.99

nildram
dsl500 PAYG £15.99
dsl1000 PAYG £23.99
dsl2000 PAYG £31.98
all 1 gig or 50 hours usage
dsl500 £25.99
dsl1000 £34.99
dsl2000 £44.99
all no limit

difference here is other isp's give you a choice and even the unmetered packages are cheaper then ntl's metered packages, considering both the above isp's dont use transperent proxies either you have to wonder whats going on with ntl.

Chrysalis 02-07-2004 20:40

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plusnet

unmetered prices
512k 21.99
1024k 30.99
2048k 38.99

so for 1 extra pound you get double download bandwidth and no cap and no proxies, even after ntl speed upgrade ntl look absolutely abysmal with this. also take into consideration adsl prices have 256k upload on the 512k packages. ntl really need someone new in marketing.

wade vi 02-07-2004 21:44

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Chrysalis
plusnet

unmetered prices
512k 21.99
1024k 30.99
2048k 38.99

so for 1 extra pound you get double download bandwidth and no cap and no proxies, even after ntl speed upgrade ntl look absolutely abysmal with this. also take into consideration adsl prices have 256k upload on the 512k packages. ntl really need someone new in marketing.

ntl
  • Free install
  • Free modem for life of subscription (or during trial if you choose not to subscribe)
  • 60 days FREE broadband with no obligation to subscribe.
After the Sept. upgrade

300K - 17.99
750K - 24.99
1.5Mb - ??

The upload doesn't concern the masses who want what they consider to be the best value deal, i.e. they want free install, free connection, and a low monthly sub, ideally, free or half price for the first month. If there's one thing ntl don't need to worry about it's marketing broadband to the masses.

scot 03-07-2004 13:47

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Quote:

Originally Posted by wade vi
ntl
SNIP
The upload doesn't concern the masses who want what they consider to be the best value deal, i.e. they want free install, free connection, and a low monthly sub, ideally, free or half price for the first month. If there's one thing ntl don't need to worry about it's marketing broadband to the masses.

>
>

Permit me to disagree. :upyours:

If Wanadoo can do 512K for £17.99 per month, then NTL certainly need to sack their sales staff. :knock:

I am "one of the masses", I DON'T care about free installation and connection, OR a "free or half-price for the first month" carrot. I DO care about speed per pound and consider that "best value deal" proposers believe Yorkshiremen say"Eeh bah goom!" and Scots chew heather.
I have been waiting in the dark since the initial promise of doubling my 150K speed during late June, which stopped me from going elsewhere.
Now I find, thanks to this great forum - no thanks to NTL at all, I have to wait until "late Summer"for an inferior deal than offered elsewhere. :cry:

And while I'm in full flow, I disagree with selfish customers who sabotage an ISP's attempts to provide a reasonable service for a reasonable price, by downloading continuously pirate music, thereby hogging all the bandwidth, slowing everyone else, increasing the cost of the service and making capping necessary. :blah:

Before I dive for cover, I will admit I have been satisfied with the service I have received from NTL for some years now, and I think the support staff terrific. :hugs:

arcamalpha2004 03-07-2004 14:35

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Quote:

Originally Posted by scot
>
>

Permit me to disagree. :upyours:

If Wanadoo can do 512K for £17.99 per month, then NTL certainly need to sack their sales staff. :knock:

I am "one of the masses", I DON'T care about free installation and connection, OR a "free or half-price for the first month" carrot. I DO care about speed per pound and consider that "best value deal" proposers believe Yorkshiremen say"Eeh bah goom!" and Scots chew heather.
I have been waiting in the dark since the initial promise of doubling my 150K speed during late June, which stopped me from going elsewhere.
Now I find, thanks to this great forum - no thanks to NTL at all, I have to wait until "late Summer"for an inferior deal than offered elsewhere. :cry:

And while I'm in full flow, I disagree with selfish customers who sabotage an ISP's attempts to provide a reasonable service for a reasonable price, by downloading continuously pirate music, thereby hogging all the bandwidth, slowing everyone else, increasing the cost of the service and making capping necessary. :blah:

Before I dive for cover, I will admit I have been satisfied with the service I have received from NTL for some years now, and I think the support staff terrific. :hugs:




Who told you it was late june?
If it was NTL, then cancel your account.
Because they have not delivered what you were promised.
It just seems to me, might be wrong, but NTL are getting the money in first before coughing up.
A bit like I have stated previous, you go into your supermarket and pick up a 4 pint carton of milk, getting to the checkout they tell you that will be £3.
When you query the price they tell you "But in late summer it is going to be 6 pints".

Paul 03-07-2004 14:51

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Quote:

Originally Posted by scot
>
>

Permit me to disagree. ... <snip rant>

First of all there was no need to reply with such a rude smilie.

The speed increases have never been due in late June, they will almost certainly be late August / early September.

As for "the masses" - I'm pretty sure most ntl customers almost certainly do care about the installation charge and low cost startup deals - and only use it for a bit of general browsing and e-mail. Hence most are on the lowest tier.

scot 03-07-2004 16:09

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Pem
First of all there was no need to reply with such a rude smilie.

The speed increases have never been due in late June, they will almost certainly be late August / early September.

As for "the masses" - I'm pretty sure most ntl customers almost certainly do care about the installation charge and low cost startup deals - and only use it for a bit of general browsing and e-mail. Hence most are on the lowest tier.


I sincerely apologise if I gave any offense. :blush:

It was done "tongue in cheek". I think that smilie is cute and that they (smilies) help to make the forum more fun, which is the reason I use them. :dunce:

As for the legendary "masses" - in refuting the blanket assumption of their requirements, I intended to give another point of view, not repeat the assumption of being their spokesperson. Installation costs and start-up deals will certainly be important to some although, as long as they are reasonable, the long-term costs concern me more. I would think, however, that those who have transferred from dial-up are interested in a little more than "a bit of general browsing and email". :)

Whatever - chacun a son gout, and apologies where required. :Peaceman:

Afterthought:- surely a smilie would not be included in the list if it's use was deemed unacceptable?

Paul 03-07-2004 17:33

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Quote:

Originally Posted by scot
It was done "tongue in cheek". I think that smilie is cute and that they (smilies) help to make the forum more fun, which is the reason I use them. :dunce:

Fair enough, but in future I suggest you add a wink or something after it to signify it was meant to be tongue in cheek. The way it read, it looked like an offensive signal directed at wade vi.

Chrysalis 04-07-2004 10:12

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NTL should offer alternatives ie. the current deal or reduced payment per month with a setup fee and customer buying own modem/router, so they cater for everyone and not just the low end user's.

A friend of mine rang up yesterday and a rep said leicester will be 1st August.

Stop It 04-07-2004 12:28

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Chrysalis
NTL should offer alternatives ie. the current deal or reduced payment per month with a setup fee and customer buying own modem/router, so they cater for everyone and not just the low end user's.

A friend of mine rang up yesterday and a rep said leicester will be 1st August.

Thats maybe the time they are performing the upgrades required for the speed upgrade, Im now under the impression that this will be a national switch-on, I could be wrong though....... :angel:

sav112 06-07-2004 14:15

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More news from BT, which can only be good for BB prices.

The process of opening up BT's networks to other operators - known as local loop unbundling (LLU)

It published proposals to open up BT's exchanges in May and at the same time BT announced that its charges for LLU would be dropped by 70%.

XEviLX 06-07-2004 20:23

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got on to ntl today about my phone bill as it was wrong but got it all sorted so i as him about the free broadband speed upgrade he told me that my area (belfast) is down for 28th july so we are only a few weeks away ,i cant wait now ;)

ynwa 06-07-2004 21:15

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Quote:

Originally Posted by XEviLX
got on to ntl today about my phone bill as it was wrong but got it all sorted so i as him about the free broadband speed upgrade he told me that my area (belfast) is down for 28th july so we are only a few weeks away ,i cant wait now ;)


My area too :) good news if true.

DiscoStu 06-07-2004 21:24

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Here in Bromley bb performance has never been an issue for me (since I changed to a SACM :) ) but in the last few weeks I've noticed reduced latency, with most of the ntl core network returning sub 10ms pings and my own servers coming in at around 14ms - So it looks like they've been spending some money :)

Keep up the good work! (lest hope it stays that way when we all get the increased speed)

Ignition 07-07-2004 01:26

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Quote:

Originally Posted by XEviLX
got on to ntl today about my phone bill as it was wrong but got it all sorted so i as him about the free broadband speed upgrade he told me that my area (belfast) is down for 28th july so we are only a few weeks away ,i cant wait now ;)

Interesting, someone else on digitalspy said that apparently the entire country was going to get the upgrade next week.

Although... shouldn't the upgrade be going ahead this week from what someone else heard?

You can see where I'm going with this... :angel:

Marge 07-07-2004 01:27

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I heard the end of July :shrug: Anyone else :rofl:

Paul 07-07-2004 01:52

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I heard it was done at the end of last week :erm:

Stop It 07-07-2004 09:57

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Quote:

Originally Posted by JustAnotherN00b
Interesting, someone else on digitalspy said that apparently the entire country was going to get the upgrade next week.

Although... shouldn't the upgrade be going ahead this week from what someone else heard?

You can see where I'm going with this... :angel:

Indeed, Ive long gave up with NTL actually telling a date, so Ive decided to start enjoying My new PC i built last week, when It happens, yippee, I'll live on until then. All these rumours are just made by people who want to feel important, but we all know what would smash those rumours :LOL:
I'll run away now

Chrysalis 07-07-2004 11:55

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I think exact date's given by reps are probably true, its a bit different from people saying I heard. Belfast on 28 July and Leics on 1st August would make sense as they are close to each other so would suggest maybe ntl are doing upgrades from late july to early august and I doubt the whole thing would be done at the same time.

mmm 07-07-2004 13:12

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Quote:

Originally Posted by DiscoStu
Here in Bromley bb performance has never been an issue for me (since I changed to a SACM :) ) but in the last few weeks I've noticed reduced latency, with most of the ntl core network returning sub 10ms pings and my own servers coming in at around 14ms - So it looks like they've been spending some money :)

Keep up the good work! (lest hope it stays that way when we all get the increased speed)

I agree the core network looks in good shape, extract from a traceroute back to my home PC ubr from the office:---

Code:

  7  <10 ms  <10 ms  <10 ms  tele-ic-1-ge-300-207.inet.ntl.com [212.250.14.33]
  8  <10 ms  <10 ms    10 ms  gfd-bb-a-so-320-0.inet.ntl.com [62.253.185.77]
  9  <10 ms  <10 ms    10 ms  gfd-bb-b-ae0-0.inet.ntl.com [213.105.172.6]
 10  <10 ms    10 ms    10 ms  nth-bb-a-so-000-0.inet.ntl.com [62.253.185.97]
 11  <10 ms    10 ms  <10 ms  nth-bb-b-ae0-0.inet.ntl.com [62.253.185.118]
 12  <10 ms    10 ms    10 ms  bir-bb-a-so-100-0.inet.ntl.com [62.253.185.106]
 13    10 ms    10 ms    10 ms  oxfd-t2core-a-pos31.inet.ntl.com [62.253.187.10]
 14    10 ms    10 ms    10 ms  oxfd-t2cam1-a-ge-wan31.inet.ntl.com [213.106.245.38]
 15    10 ms    10 ms    10 ms  oxfd-oxfd-ubr-4-ge10.inet.ntl.com [213.106.246.14]

So go-on ntl switch it on now!

td444 07-07-2004 13:36

Re: [Merged] NTL Increasing BB Speeds Late Summer 2004
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mmm
I agree the core network looks in good shape, extract from a traceroute back to my home PC ubr from the office:---

Code:

  7  <10 ms  <10 ms  <10 ms  tele-ic-1-ge-300-207.inet.ntl.com [212.250.14.33]
  8  <10 ms  <10 ms    10 ms  gfd-bb-a-so-320-0.inet.ntl.com [62.253.185.77]
  9  <10 ms  <10 ms    10 ms  gfd-bb-b-ae0-0.inet.ntl.com [213.105.172.6]
 10  <10 ms    10 ms    10 ms  nth-bb-a-so-000-0.inet.ntl.com [62.253.185.97]
 11  <10 ms    10 ms  <10 ms  nth-bb-b-ae0-0.inet.ntl.com [62.253.185.118]
 12  <10 ms    10 ms    10 ms  bir-bb-a-so-100-0.inet.ntl.com [62.253.185.106]
 13    10 ms    10 ms    10 ms  oxfd-t2core-a-pos31.inet.ntl.com [62.253.187.10]
 14    10 ms    10 ms    10 ms  oxfd-t2cam1-a-ge-wan31.inet.ntl.com [213.106.245.38]
 15    10 ms    10 ms    10 ms  oxfd-oxfd-ubr-4-ge10.inet.ntl.com [213.106.246.14]

So go-on ntl switch it on now!

The core network was always underloaded - traces from external sources confirmed this. Just local HFC area's (to you - cabling in your area) were getting congestion hence why latency wasnt as good as it is now. NTL have just resegmented yours and many others areas.

Electrolyte01 07-07-2004 13:54

Re: [Merged] NTL Increasing BB Speeds Late Summer 2004
 
Well last week I lost my internet for 12 hours, but the thing is the D/S light was the only light flashing, and it was flashing quickly which I havn't seen before :erm:

After the internet came back on, iv'e got better internet performance, downloads + uploads more stable, lower latency in counter-strike etc. Although my speed still reads 150k, NTL must be spending a lot of money around my area too :D

IanGuy 07-07-2004 14:32

Re: [Merged] NTL Increasing BB Speeds Late Summer 2004
 
I had the same, thought it was a fault, NTL CS didn't seem to know much about it though and arranged for an engineer to call. :s

All back up and I can report the same as you, stable and lower ping in games - still reported to be 150k

Chrysalis 07-07-2004 17:29

Re: [Merged] NTL Increasing BB Speeds Late Summer 2004
 
Tracing route to oxfd-oxfd-ubr-4-ge10.inet.ntl.com [213.106.246.14]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 21 ms 19 ms 19 ms 10.146.103.254
2 10 ms 19 ms 19 ms leic-t2cam1-a-ge96.inet.ntl.com [80.7.30.17]
3 20 ms 19 ms 19 ms nott-t2core-a-ge-wan63.inet.ntl.com [80.1.79.69]

4 20 ms 49 ms 19 ms lee-bb-a-so-200-0.inet.ntl.com [62.253.188.33]
5 40 ms 19 ms 19 ms nth-bb-b-so-000-0.inet.ntl.com [62.253.185.101]

6 20 ms 19 ms 19 ms bir-bb-a-so-100-0.inet.ntl.com [62.253.185.106]

7 20 ms 39 ms 19 ms oxfd-t2core-a-pos31.inet.ntl.com [62.253.187.10]

8 70 ms 59 ms 79 ms oxfd-t2cam1-a-ge-wan31.inet.ntl.com [213.106.245
.38]
9 23 ms 24 ms 23 ms oxfd-oxfd-ubr-4-ge10.inet.ntl.com [213.106.246.1
4]

Trace complete.

dont know how you guys get those pings mine have been floating above 40ms since march and havent dropped since, before march always used to be under 30

td444 07-07-2004 17:36

Re: [Merged] NTL Increasing BB Speeds Late Summer 2004
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Chrysalis
Tracing route to oxfd-oxfd-ubr-4-ge10.inet.ntl.com [213.106.246.14]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 21 ms 19 ms 19 ms 10.146.103.254
2 10 ms 19 ms 19 ms leic-t2cam1-a-ge96.inet.ntl.com [80.7.30.17]
3 20 ms 19 ms 19 ms nott-t2core-a-ge-wan63.inet.ntl.com [80.1.79.69]

4 20 ms 49 ms 19 ms lee-bb-a-so-200-0.inet.ntl.com [62.253.188.33]
5 40 ms 19 ms 19 ms nth-bb-b-so-000-0.inet.ntl.com [62.253.185.101]

6 20 ms 19 ms 19 ms bir-bb-a-so-100-0.inet.ntl.com [62.253.185.106]

7 20 ms 39 ms 19 ms oxfd-t2core-a-pos31.inet.ntl.com [62.253.187.10]

8 70 ms 59 ms 79 ms oxfd-t2cam1-a-ge-wan31.inet.ntl.com [213.106.245
.38]
9 23 ms 24 ms 23 ms oxfd-oxfd-ubr-4-ge10.inet.ntl.com [213.106.246.1
4]

Trace complete.

dont know how you guys get those pings mine have been floating above 40ms since march and havent dropped since, before march always used to be under 30

Since there's a lot of 19ms's in there - id imagine your using <windows 2000 , its ICMP Ping timer has a crap resolution. So it could be lower.

Ignition 07-07-2004 19:44

Re: [Merged] NTL Increasing BB Speeds Late Summer 2004
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Chrysalis
dont know how you guys get those pings mine have been floating above 40ms since march and havent dropped since, before march always used to be under 30

Hi mate.

1) Try using something like Matt's Traceroute or HRPing for more accurate readings, these can both be found with a quick google.
2) Leicester is scheduled for a major upgrade in the near future which should improve your latency a little.

Ta.

http://www.icnet.ro/~stanimir/winmtr/ < Matt's Traceroute
http://www.cfos.de/ping/ping.htm < HRPing

Chrysalis 08-07-2004 12:37

Re: [Merged] NTL Increasing BB Speeds Late Summer 2004
 
interesting program winmtr

glad to hear about the upgrades :)

mmm 08-07-2004 12:49

Re: [Merged] NTL Increasing BB Speeds Late Summer 2004
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Chrysalis
Tracing route to oxfd-oxfd-ubr-4-ge10.inet.ntl.com [213.106.246.14]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 21 ms 19 ms 19 ms 10.146.103.254
2 10 ms 19 ms 19 ms leic-t2cam1-a-ge96.inet.ntl.com [80.7.30.17]
3 20 ms 19 ms 19 ms nott-t2core-a-ge-wan63.inet.ntl.com [80.1.79.69]

4 20 ms 49 ms 19 ms lee-bb-a-so-200-0.inet.ntl.com [62.253.188.33]
5 40 ms 19 ms 19 ms nth-bb-b-so-000-0.inet.ntl.com [62.253.185.101]

6 20 ms 19 ms 19 ms bir-bb-a-so-100-0.inet.ntl.com [62.253.185.106]

7 20 ms 39 ms 19 ms oxfd-t2core-a-pos31.inet.ntl.com [62.253.187.10]

8 70 ms 59 ms 79 ms oxfd-t2cam1-a-ge-wan31.inet.ntl.com [213.106.245
.38]
9 23 ms 24 ms 23 ms oxfd-oxfd-ubr-4-ge10.inet.ntl.com [213.106.246.1
4]

Trace complete.

dont know how you guys get those pings mine have been floating above 40ms since march and havent dropped since, before march always used to be under 30

I didn't start with ntl, the core network to your local router is fine, your problem is the local cable connection.

Code:

  7  <10 ms  <10 ms  <10 ms  tele-ic-1-ge-300-207.inet.ntl.com [212.250.14.33]
  8  <10 ms  <10 ms  <10 ms  pop-bb-b-so-430-0.inet.ntl.com [62.253.185.81]
  9    10 ms    10 ms    10 ms  lee-bb-a-so-700-0.inet.ntl.com [62.253.185.237]
 10    10 ms    10 ms    10 ms  nott-t2core-a-pos51.inet.ntl.com [62.253.188.34]
 11    10 ms    10 ms    10 ms  leic-t2cam1-a-ge96.inet.ntl.com [80.7.30.17]


th'engineer 08-07-2004 14:41

Re: [Merged] NTL Increasing BB Speeds Late Summer 2004
 
Just back from being out of the country for a few weeks any idea latest date on upgrade .

IanGuy 08-07-2004 16:05

Re: [Merged] NTL Increasing BB Speeds Late Summer 2004
 
Some people say 28th July for Belfast, so presumably end of July/beginning of August

DbzDP 09-07-2004 13:34

Re: [Merged] NTL Increasing BB Speeds Late Summer 2004
 
I just upgraded from 600kb to the 1Mb, I wanna know when NTL will be upgrading the 1Meg to 1.5Meg in the W2 area. Also the person on the other side of the phone said that the 1Meg was £34.99 a month I though it was £37.99 since that is what it says on the website.

Paul 09-07-2004 14:36

Re: [Merged] NTL Increasing BB Speeds Late Summer 2004
 
Lots of lovely rumours. I'm sure our ntl contacts will let us know any firm dates (either officially or otherwise ;)) and we will then pass these on. :D

Paul 10-07-2004 02:29

Re: [Merged] NTL Increasing BB Speeds Late Summer 2004
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by sanjayint
I read that a rep told sum one about leicester being upgraded on the 1st ??
can any one else confirm that??
and what do you mean near future!! its only 3 weeks away now :D

He is not talking about the speed upgrade here, but a network upgrade, a pretty big one. ;)

carrotcake 11-07-2004 01:33

Re: [Merged] NTL Increasing BB Speeds Late Summer 2004
 
from http://www.ntl.com/locales/ie/en/ath...net_cable.html

Quote:

*Download speeds effective from 31.08.04

mmm 11-07-2004 10:37

Re: [Merged] NTL Increasing BB Speeds Late Summer 2004
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by carrotcake

OK, that's a date for Ireland - what about the UK?

sav112 11-07-2004 11:06

Re: [Merged] NTL Increasing BB Speeds Late Summer 2004
 
Iâ₠¬ÃƒÆ’¢â€žÂ¢d take it as read the UK will be the same, great I think we have a Dateââ‚ ¬Ã‚¦Ã¢â ‚¬Â¦.



These companies like to do things as a whole. If the UK Date is any different Iâ₠¬ÃƒÆ’¢â€žÂ¢d be surprised.



Good a few more weeks and I have 300K:)

carrotcake 11-07-2004 11:28

Re: [Merged] NTL Increasing BB Speeds Late Summer 2004
 
both ntl ireland and ntl uk customers download the same modem config files from the same server

looselipsuk 11-07-2004 12:06

Re: [Merged] NTL Increasing BB Speeds Late Summer 2004
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by carrotcake

Has anybody else noticed that we pay for technical support but in Ireland it is free as it is included in the subscription charge or have I missed something?

Stop It 11-07-2004 15:18

Re: [Merged] NTL Increasing BB Speeds Late Summer 2004
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by carrotcake
both ntl ireland and ntl uk customers download the same modem config files from the same server

Wrong, If I remember correctly, isnt NTL ireland a seperate comapny from NTL UK now, and dont have the same management (Or customer relations staff obviously) and thus that date is all but irrelevent to US UK'ers, although, anyone at NTL UK saying "well we cant give you the date" should look there to see how its meant to be done, Played NTL Ireland

th'engineer 11-07-2004 16:07

Re: [Merged] NTL Increasing BB Speeds Late Summer 2004
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by looselipsuk
Has anybody else noticed that we pay for technical support but in Ireland it is free as it is included in the subscription charge or have I missed something?

depends on definition technical support:angel:

Electrolyte01 11-07-2004 23:43

Re: [Merged] NTL Increasing BB Speeds Late Summer 2004
 
OK, I see some people have them signatures that tells us our ISP and browser, and mine is saying ntli.net? I thought it was ntl.com?

EDIT: Or is that my network blocking it off?

Nikko 11-07-2004 23:48

Re: [Merged] NTL Increasing BB Speeds Late Summer 2004
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Electrolyte
OK, I see some people have them signatures that tells us our ISP and browser, and mine is saying ntli.net? I thought it was ntl.com?

EDIT: Or is that my network blocking it off?

Those signatures that purport to be reporting your IP are flawed, in that they are actually reporting one of the various caches you may be routed through.

Electrolyte01 11-07-2004 23:50

Re: [Merged] NTL Increasing BB Speeds Late Summer 2004
 
I remember them saying ntl.com before, never had ntli.net before though :erm:

Nikko 11-07-2004 23:59

Re: [Merged] NTL Increasing BB Speeds Late Summer 2004
 
Check the list on Robin's pages - bearing in mind ntl are constantly upgrading pending the imminent speed increase ;)

carrotcake 12-07-2004 01:58

Re: [Merged] NTL Increasing BB Speeds Late Summer 2004
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Stop It
Wrong, If I remember correctly, isnt NTL ireland a seperate comapny from NTL UK now, and dont have the same management (Or customer relations staff obviously) and thus that date is all but irrelevent to US UK'ers, although, anyone at NTL UK saying "well we cant give you the date" should look there to see how its meant to be done, Played NTL Ireland

wrong ;) running docsdiag, i get these results...
Code:

Configuration TFTP Server            = 62.254.96.21
Configuration filename              = ntlhm100-silver.cm

...i've heard ntl uk users claiming that they get the same.



while the management situation may have changed, the technical setup certainly has not. here's the result of a traceroute from my house in dublin to a website which is also hosted in dublin...
Code:

C:\>tracert www.boards.ie

Tracing route to www.boards.ie [82.195.131.128]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

  1    8 ms    24 ms    6 ms  172.23.103.254
  2    10 ms    9 ms    37 ms  dub-cam1-a-fa10.inet.ntl.com [62.254.98.17]
  3    36 ms    7 ms    9 ms  dub-core-a-pos1100.inet.ntl.com [62.254.96.137]

  4    16 ms    43 ms    36 ms  man-bb-a-atm010-228.inet.ntl.com [62.253.187.122
]
  5    20 ms    78 ms    22 ms  ren-bb-b-so-000-0.inet.ntl.com [62.253.185.169]

  6    21 ms    21 ms    22 ms  ren-bb-a-ae0-0.inet.ntl.com [62.253.185.185]
  7    75 ms    34 ms    64 ms  bre-bb-b-so-200-0.inet.ntl.com [62.253.185.166]

  8    30 ms    29 ms    68 ms  195.50.116.133
  9    34 ms    99 ms    33 ms  so-4-0-0.mp2.London2.Level3.net [212.187.129.253
]
 10    37 ms    29 ms    31 ms  so-3-0-0.mp2.London1.Level3.net [212.187.128.57]

 11    35 ms    64 ms    36 ms  ge-11-0.ipcolo1.London1.Level3.net [212.187.131.
39]
 12    41 ms    45 ms    39 ms  80.253.124.21
 13    61 ms    45 ms    68 ms  sneezy.hosting365.ie [82.195.128.8]
 14    50 ms    63 ms    75 ms  boards.ie [82.195.131.128]

Trace complete.


Maggy 12-07-2004 11:47

Re: [Merged] NTL Increasing BB Speeds Late Summer 2004
 
Isn't this getting off topic? :)

Nemesis 12-07-2004 13:43

Re: [Merged] NTL Increasing BB Speeds Late Summer 2004
 
Yes it is ... back on topic please

th'engineer 13-07-2004 16:41

Th'engineers predictions for the upgrade
 
I have been looking into my NTL Crystal ball:group: and here are my predictions for the upgrade.

Two phases first 600k in very early august then 1meg in very early september:D

arcamalpha2004 13-07-2004 16:57

Re: Th'engineers predictions for the upgrade
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by th'engineer
I have been looking into my NTL Crystal ball:group: and here are my predictions for the upgrade.

Two phases first 600k in very early august then 1meg in very early september:D

Nice one engineer, 750 mb here we come :D
oops 750k even :o

Chrysalis 13-07-2004 21:49

Re: [Merged] NTL Increasing BB Speeds Late Summer 2004
 
although im on the 600k package and this is good news for me this is the 3rd slap in the face for top tier customers, seems like mr hussein really has a good influence at ntl.

APS 13-07-2004 22:18

Re: Th'engineers predictions for the upgrade
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by th'engineer
I have been looking into my NTL Crystal ball:group: and here are my predictions for the upgrade.

Two phases first 600k in very early august then 1meg in very early september:D

What about the poor old 150k users?

Earlier or later still?

APS

mmm 13-07-2004 22:24

Re: [Merged] NTL Increasing BB Speeds Late Summer 2004
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by carrotcake
wrong ;) running docsdiag, i get these results...
Code:

Configuration TFTP Server            = 62.254.96.21
Configuration filename              = ntlhm100-silver.cm

...i've heard ntl uk users claiming that they get the same.
...

Not the same here, my 'local' DHCP server is the TFTP server...

Code:

DHCP Server address                  = 62.254.128.20
Time Server address                  = 62.254.128.20
Configuration TFTP Server            = 62.254.128.20
Configuration filename              = tera210x-bronze.cm


Munkeh 14-07-2004 01:11

Re: Th'engineers predictions for the upgrade
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by th'engineer
I have been looking into my NTL Crystal ball:group: and here are my predictions for the upgrade.

Two phases first 600k in very early august then 1meg in very early september:D

I'd give that ball a slight polish if I were you!

:D

dareusj 14-07-2004 08:09

Re: [Merged] NTL Increasing BB Speeds Late Summer 2004
 
THERE IS NOW AN OFFICIAL DATE FOR THE SPEED INCREASE:

20TH AUGUST

My source is here: http://www.ntlhell.co.uk/forums/inde...showtopic=4957

seaneeboy 14-07-2004 09:35

Re: [Merged] NTL Increasing BB Speeds Late Summer 2004
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by dareusj
THERE IS NOW AN OFFICIAL DATE FOR THE SPEED INCREASE:

20TH AUGUST

My source is here: http://www.ntlhell.co.uk/forums/inde...showtopic=4957

Not the most reliable of sources, given the reply directly under that post, Dareusj :(

the_one 14-07-2004 09:44

Re: [Merged] NTL Increasing BB Speeds Late Summer 2004
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by seaneeboy
Not the most reliable of sources, given the reply directly under that post, Dareusj :(

Hi all

Having just spoken to Bill C he says that date is so wrong its a joke.

dareusj 14-07-2004 11:22

Re: [Merged] NTL Increasing BB Speeds Late Summer 2004
 
Sorry all,

But like most of us, we want to know a date for these speed increases

Well I suppose as ntl: do it properly I don't mind

How comes on my 600k BB, I only get 80k upload :(

Nemesis 14-07-2004 11:29

Re: [Merged] NTL Increasing BB Speeds Late Summer 2004
 
Can we stop the guessing games. When we have firm date(s) I'm sure it will be posted.

Nemesis 14-07-2004 12:00

Re: [Merged] NTL Increasing BB Speeds Late Summer 2004
 
http://www.cableforum.co.uk/article/...-upgrade-dates

See told ya ;)

Mick 14-07-2004 12:19

Re: [Merged] NTL Increasing BB Speeds Late Summer 2004
 
Because of the confirmed dates of the speed upgrades. Discussion will now continue in the following thread (URL Below) because of the length of this one.

http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/sh...ad.php?t=14837


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